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Shark experts respond to Shark Week
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George Cathcart - 21 Jul 2007 14:40 GMT So the Discovery Channel, perpetrators of the infamous Shark Week travesty, asked a group of shark experts to help them promote this year's installment of Shark Attacks! Dangerous Monsters! Jaws of Death! and other bullshit. Here's what the experts told the Discovery Channel:
http://sharkman.mysite.maltanet.net/sharks/discovery.htm
Greg Mossman - 21 Jul 2007 19:02 GMT > So the Discovery Channel, perpetrators of the infamous Shark Week > travesty, asked a group of shark experts to help them promote this [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://sharkman.mysite.maltanet.net/sharks/discovery.htm Sure, more pro-shark propaganda, while yet another vicious man-eating attack occured recently on a poor snorkeler in Hawaii:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070721/ap_on_re_us/shark_attack;_ylt=Am1CBQ0MY2MPwH Bcz7FkjKBvzwcF
As a shark-bite victim myself, I think your whitewashing of the situation does a disservice to people like me who might believe all the pro-shark propanganda and think sharks utterly cute and harmless, poking and prodding them at whim, only to get ruthlessly bitten by one of the soulless creatures of evil.
JOF - 21 Jul 2007 20:44 GMT > > So the Discovery Channel, perpetrators of the infamous Shark Week > > travesty, asked a group of shark experts to help them promote this [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > poking and prodding them at whim, only to get ruthlessly bitten by one > of the soulless creatures of evil. Is it true you're promoting Moray Month on the local network?
JF
Scott - 21 Jul 2007 22:13 GMT > As a shark-bite victim myself, I think your whitewashing of the > situation does a disservice to people like me who might believe all > the pro-shark propanganda and think sharks utterly cute and harmless, > poking and prodding them at whim, only to get ruthlessly bitten by one > of the soulless creatures of evil. <snicker>
Come up here, we'll put you on some helium and do a deep night dive (around 220 to 260) and introduce you to a 6 gill and *swarms* of dogfish that look at you like a pack of puppies would look at a person wearing a pork-chop suit.
Really though, all bullshit aside, how is the ole lady's hand after the bite? Is she healing up proper, or was there infection issues?
Morays are nasty f.ckers, and they don't brush their nasty a.s teeth.
Greg Mossman - 21 Jul 2007 23:53 GMT > > As a shark-bite victim myself, I think your whitewashing of the > > situation does a disservice to people like me who might believe all [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > at you like a pack of puppies would look at a person wearing a pork-chop > suit. I've been scared of a sheepshead and its big teeth as shallow as 115' (in my defense, it was a solo dive and I only had an itty-bitty knife for protection).
> Really though, all bullshit aside, how is the ole lady's hand after the > bite? Is she healing up proper, or was there infection issues? We didn't see any eels on our frigid Coronados dive (they must have all frozen in their holes), so I don't know yet whether she'll have any PTSD the next time she sees one leering at her.
> Morays are nasty f.ckers, and they don't brush their nasty a.s teeth. Yeah, but they are cute, and you just can't help wanting to scratch them under their cute little chins.
Prompt attention helped in Janna's case. The boat had a first-aid kit, as all good dive boats should, so we got her hand rinsed with disinfectant and covered with antibiotic ointment before she was all the way up the ladder. Instead of infection-prone punctures, they were open lacerations, a lot easier to clean (though obviously more prone to scarring) and they got a good sea water flushing on the way up to the boat.
The boat had called ahead for a visit with the local hotel doc and was able to drop us off on land back on Maui before they did the second dive (thanks to crappy conditions on Lanai), so we were able to see a real doctor in a real doctor's office within a couple hours of the incident. They recleaned and rebandaged it and gave her an antibiotic shot and a painkiller, then sent us to the ER, an hour drive by the time we found the place. Another two hour wait, and she was X-rayed, numbed and stitched, and rebandaged. X-ray didn't find any teeth, but doc still didn't put more than a stitch in each laceration to avoid closing the wounds and allowing infection to take root.
The ER doc had warned that she might need to see a hand specialist in case there was any nerve damage or bad scarring, but she's healed good enough to hopefully not need further work on it. Until the next time . . .
Perhaps I'll post some before and after photos on my website, if I can find them.
Carl Nisarel - 22 Jul 2007 00:42 GMT > We didn't see any eels on our frigid Coronados dive (they must have > all frozen in their holes), so I don't know yet whether she'll have > any PTSD the next time she sees one leering at her. Oh Greggie. Does that mean that you can sue the dive op for lost affection since she won't tickle your eel under its chin anymore? Don't worry Greggie, I still want to have your love child! I'll tickle your eel with my tongue next time.
Scott - 22 Jul 2007 02:26 GMT > Yeah, but they are cute, and you just can't help wanting to scratch > them under their cute little chins. OK, that isnt a problem I have.
I dont have the slightest urge to put my hands any where near them.
They are quick, bad a.s, and an apex predator.
> Prompt attention helped in Janna's case. The boat had a first-aid > kit, as all good dive boats should, so we got her hand rinsed with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > prone to scarring) and they got a good sea water flushing on the way > up to the boat. Bravo.
> The boat had called ahead for a visit with the local hotel doc and was > able to drop us off on land back on Maui before they did the second [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Perhaps I'll post some before and after photos on my website, if I can > find them. Cool.
Once again I will appologize for my underserved, un-Chivalrous remarks, but really, dont wag anything at morays you dont want to get bit.
Ask me.
I'll send you a couple pics of me being brave if you ping me with a good e-mail address.
George Cathcart - 22 Jul 2007 02:40 GMT > > Yeah, but they are cute, and you just can't help wanting to scratch > > them under their cute little chins. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > They are quick, bad a.s, and an apex predator. Quick yes, bad a.s depends, I've seen plenty of friendly morays, but I still keep my hands to myself. They do have bad eyesight, and anything moving is likely to look like prey. Apex, no. Apex predator is top of the food chain, nothing else eats it as a healthy adult. That's not the case with morays, who are near the top, but still get eaten by sharks, other morays and large groupers.
Greg Mossman - 22 Jul 2007 02:44 GMT > Once again I will appologize for my underserved, un-Chivalrous remarks, but > really, dont wag anything at morays you dont want to get bit. So far the professional courtesy thing has been extended to me with eels as I've successfully snake-charmed plenty of them. Unfortunately Janna isn't as invulnerable and I probably instilled bad habits in her.
> I'll send you a couple pics of me being brave if you ping me with a good > e-mail address. My e-mail address is always good for a few pics. Just please don't throw a gazillion multi-megabyte files at me like when Popeye tried to e-mail me a book-on-tape and ended up bouncing work-related stuff.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 23 Jul 2007 22:49 GMT >> Once again I will appologize for my underserved, un-Chivalrous remarks, >> but [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > throw a gazillion multi-megabyte files at me like when Popeye tried to > e-mail me a book-on-tape and ended up bouncing work-related stuff. Get a better e-mail server.
It wasn't even a big book.
 Signature "I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF
Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com
Greg Mossman - 24 Jul 2007 05:27 GMT On Jul 23, 2:49 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
> > My e-mail address is always good for a few pics. Just please don't > > throw a gazillion multi-megabyte files at me like when Popeye tried to > > e-mail me a book-on-tape and ended up bouncing work-related stuff. > > Get a better e-mail server. Yeah, right. It's easier to sell my house than to change my e-mail address.
> It wasn't even a big book. I'll never know now. It took me an hour of phone tag trying to get my contractor to resend the critical e-mail that bounced. If you were around, I would have been forced to shoot you in the kneecap and I'm a gun-hating pacifist.
Speaking of which, if you're gonna be in the Toronto area anytime soon and moonlighting as a hitman, let me know. I may have a French- Canadian "client" for you. If you just want to break his legs instead, that's OK too.
Star - 23 Jul 2007 01:31 GMT > > As a shark-bite victim myself, I think your whitewashing of the > > situation does a disservice to people like me who might believe all [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > at you like a pack of puppies would look at a person wearing a pork-chop > suit. Oh cripes, for the past 2 weeks the six-gills have been cruising the Owens Beach wall at 60-100 ft. Dogfish swim the wall from 60-120 ft all through the Narrows. When they bump into us at the aquarium, they practically say "excuse me."
> Really though, all bullshit aside, how is the ole lady's hand after the > bite? Is she healing up proper, or was there infection issues? > > Morays are nasty f.ckers, and they don't brush their nasty a.s teeth. Wolfies are cute lil fellas though. We hand feed them (carefully!!) at the aquarium. And at Day Island, they will crawl all over you and pick your drysuit pockets.
* i'm much more than a princess but you don't have a name for it yet here on earth.
nitespark - 21 Jul 2007 23:30 GMT > As a shark-bite victim myself, I think your whitewashing of the > situation does a disservice to people like me who might believe all > the pro-shark propanganda and think sharks utterly cute and harmless, > poking and prodding them at whim, only to get ruthlessly bitten by one > of the soulless creatures of evil. What? No professional courtesy?
Greg Mossman - 21 Jul 2007 23:59 GMT > > As a shark-bite victim myself, I think your whitewashing of the > > situation does a disservice to people like me who might believe all [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What? No professional courtesy? I was shocked. Normally sharks lull me in with their hypnotic gazes until I'm close enough to become food, but I've always been lucky enough in the past to break their hold over me and regain my senses. One time a blue shark convinced to get my face close enough to its grimacing maw to almost kiss, but I someone managed to escape with my pride intact.
But the little bastard that bit me, I'll never forget him. He was calling "play with me" like many of the evil denizens of the underwater world often do when they know you might be narced and susceptible to subliminal coaching. Of course I couldn't resist. Then right in the middle of our game, he suddenly snuck up and bit me. That's not playing fair.
Scott - 22 Jul 2007 02:27 GMT > But the little bastard that bit me, I'll never forget him. He was > calling "play with me" like many of the evil denizens of the > underwater world often do when they know you might be narced and > susceptible to subliminal coaching. Of course I couldn't resist. > Then right in the middle of our game, he suddenly snuck up and bit > me. That's not playing fair. Fair is where old men throw quarters.
BTW, I get to go spend 3 days being deposed next week.
I'd rather be bit by a moray.
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