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Scuba Forum / General / August 2007Beginner - OK to dive at Disney world divequest?
Hey all, Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... I am scheduled to take vacation at the end of August to Disney World, and have been encouraged to register for the divequest dive at Epcot...now my concern is this: its a 27 foot deep tank, and in my class I'll not have gone deeper than 10 feet. Is this too heavy duty a dive for a first time diver? I don't check NGs often, so response to email bighabeeb@aol.com is greatly appreciated! Thanks all for the expertise....as a n00b I really appreciated it! Mitch > Hey all, > Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks all for the expertise....as a n00b I really appreciated it! > Mitch err? > Hey all, > Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > class I'll not have gone deeper than 10 feet. Is this too heavy duty > a dive for a first time diver? yes you will die a horrible and painful death >> Hey all, >> Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >yes you will die a horrible and painful death Mickey will take your octo and suck the tank dry and leave you at 15 feet OOA >>> Hey all, >>> Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Mickey will take your octo and suck the tank dry and leave you at 15 >feet OOA Divequest does not have a secondary reg on their gear. It's an advanced pool dive. -- mrr > yes you will die a horrible and painful death I figured that just having to go and do the Disney World thing was a horrible and painful death... Best to just drop the wife and kids off at Disney and then go up to Blue Springs or somewhere and dive by yourself... > Hey all, > Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I don't check NGs often, so response to email bighabeeb@aol.com is > greatly appreciated! I not aware of any certification agency that will issue a card to someone that's never been deeper than 10 feet. I suggest you confirm that depth and, if it's true, let us know which agency issued your card. They'll instantly become our new favorite whipping boy. Lee > > Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... > > I am scheduled to take vacation at the end of August to Disney World, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > if it's true, let us know which agency issued your card. They'll instantly > become our new favorite whipping boy. I suspect that since he said "finishing" his class, what he's saying is that he has only been as deep as 10ft in his pool sessions...and he doesn't yet realize that he will probably go to 30fsw or so in his openwater sessions. While his IP address is posting from India, Mitch's Google profile claims that he's here in NJ. As such, I guess it could be possible that his diveshop is contemplating taking him over into the shallow (<20fsw) lee behind the jetty at Shark River inlet to do their checkouts, I would have thought that that location would be less commonly used these days, ever since the double diver death they had there during a checkout dive session several years ago. My only real concern with what appears to be an absolute "straight out of the gate" novice diver going for a dip in the EPCOT tank is twofold: 1. Buoyancy Control learning curve: there's a lot of stuff to bump into in this tank, and a lot of people watching through the glass. 2. Air consumption learning curve: there are some freeswimming sharks, which will probably cause even higher hoovering than a first real dive would otherwise do. My recollections of the EPCOT dive is that they don't equip their customers with an Octopus on their regulator setup. Instead, there's multiple DMs who carry pony bottles. I think that the reasons for this are a combination of them not wanting to have "danglies", plus they had a preferred entry/exit site for the dive and didn't necessarily want anyone to just pop up to the surface in any old place if they were to have an OOA. As such, my advice would be for Mitch to get at least 3 or 4 real world openwater dives under his belt before dropping the $150 (probably more, today) for the EPCOT tank dive. -hh Hey all, appreciate the feedback. First of all, I think my IP is from India because I am connected to the Pfizer network...and at some point these days, just about all big businesses go through india in one way or another. I am, in fact, located in Jersey and doing my certification with Ocean Explorers in Edison, NJ. I did have a chat last night with my instructor about the cert dive itself...and again, you folks are correct...the cert dive will go to around 40 - 50 feet on the 2nd day...so I guess that will resolve my concerns about depth. I'm comfortable with the idea of being at the bottom of the pool, and I guess thats a start...but I'd be lying if I told you that going down 30 - 40 feet didnt scare the living bujeezus out of me. Finally, I think the reason I'm sortof gungho for the disney dive is that it's a way that my son can at least watch me dive. He's 4 years old and very into looking at all of the equipment, pictures in magazines etc (probably watched finding nemo too many times)...unfortunately he's still a lot of years away from being able to really participate, so I'd love to be able to do a dive where I can wave at him and let him see what it's like...and hopefully keep him from growing up with the same fears I've had up until now about scuba (long story short, have had nightmares since I was a kid about drowning...actually taking scuba because I'm one of those morons who insists on facing up to his fears....not that I plan on drowning mind you, but you get the idea). Anyway, sorry for rambling and I really do appreciate the feedback. Mitch > > > Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... > > > I am scheduled to take vacation at the end of August to Disney World, [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > -hh > ...but I'd be lying if I > told you that going down 30 - 40 feet didnt scare the living bujeezus [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > insists on facing up to his fears....not that I plan on drowning mind > you, but you get the idea). This sounds like an accident waiting to happen. You need Dr. Phil, not SCUBA. Not at all. I'm not freaking out or bugging out or anything. I'm very calm, and doing what I'm supposed to do. I enjoy the process so far...and if its at least somewhat therapeutic for me as well, is that really a bad thing? Its not like I'm going under saying "hey, I wonder if I'll feel better if I take out my reg for 2 minutes". Yeesh. Mitch > "Big Habeeb" <mitch.bren...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1184938633.928942.218860@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > ...but I'd be lying if I > > told you that going down 30 - 40 feet didnt scare the living bujeezus [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > This sounds like an accident waiting to happen. You need Dr. Phil, not > SCUBA. > Not at all. I'm not freaking out or bugging out or anything. I'm > very calm, and doing what I'm supposed to do. I enjoy the process so > far...and if its at least somewhat therapeutic for me as well, is that > really a bad thing? It's not a bad thing at all. Just take it slowly and you'll do fine. Oh yes, don't pay too much attention to Ben. He gets a little weird at times. This is one of those times. Lee > > ...but I'd be lying if I > > told you that going down 30 - 40 feet didnt scare the living bujeezus [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > This sounds like an accident waiting to happen. You need Dr. Phil, not > SCUBA. Nothing wrong with facing fears as long as you do it rationally. JF >> "Big Habeeb" <mitch.bren...@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Nothing wrong with facing fears as long as you do it rationally. Reminds me of the Woody Allen movie where the (I might have the exact details wrong here) brother of Woody's girlfriend converses with Woody at a party telling him how he visions himself swerving into oncoming traffic while driving. The next scene is the brother driving. The camera pans to the girlfriend sitting next to him; then last to Woody, who sits with a terrified look on his face in the passenger seat. Some fears are best to be overcome alone. >> ...but I'd be lying if I >> told you that going down 30 - 40 feet didnt scare the living bujeezus [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > This sounds like an accident waiting to happen. You need Dr. Phil, not > SCUBA. I'm learning to dive for kinda the same reasons, but I feel no anxiety at the bottom of the pool and look forward to going deeper to work on my buoyancy and have some fun. I kinda look at it this way: Ever been in a room with a 10' ceiling? It's only 3 times that. If you start to have an anxiety attack you can either go to the surface or ride it out. Many of my friends who have been through their OW cert said it was no different than being at the bottom of the pool, except it's easier to control your buoyancy. That said, IMHO you should complete your open water dives before going to Disney. As for anyone who says it's crazy to dive to push your limits, why would anyone jump off a boat that wasn't sinking? Aren't we all a little crazy? > Hey all, appreciate the feedback. > First of all, I think my IP is from India because I am connected to [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Anyway, sorry for rambling and I really do appreciate the feedback. > Mitch Funny you said that about "depth". I can still remember lining up to get on the boat for my first ever dive outside of a pool. We had done the Resort Course in Mexico in a 5' pool. I wasn't about to let on to the others that I was nervous but the idea of actually sinking myself with all that metal on my back in 25' of shark-infested water was intimidating the hell outa me. I have never yet admitted to the others in the group (my wife and cousins who weren't cursed with the same foolish macho pride) what a leap of faith that was to roll off the side of the boat into that "deep" water because as soon as I came out of my somersault I had my eyes open looking down and could hardly wait to start kicking. We actually paid for a video of that dive and still get it out occasionally to laugh at how inept we looked but I'm pleased to say that not once did I ever look anything but confident and rarin' to go. Fortunately once I hit the salt water that's exactly how I felt. Have fun. JF >Hey all, appreciate the feedback. >First of all, I think my IP is from India because I am connected to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >told you that going down 30 - 40 feet didnt scare the living bujeezus >out of me. All of your OW dives had better be 20 ft or deeper. If it's PADI, tell me who the instructor is and what his number is. >Finally, I think the reason I'm sortof gungho for the disney dive is >that it's a way that my son can at least watch me dive. He's 4 years [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >> -hh >  Signaturedillon Broadway Photo sucks. Ask me why. > I am connected to the Pfizer network So when are you planning on becoming a hardened diver then? :D :D Steve >> I am connected to the Pfizer network > >So when are you planning on becoming a hardened diver then? :D :D > >Steve You dick! Signaturedillon Broadway Photo sucks. Ask me why. > >> I am connected to the Pfizer network > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Broadway Photo sucks. Ask me why. Just had to go for the easy crack on viagra *smirk* Thanks for the advice all. It looks like I AM going to go for the dive, but only because a good friend of mine will be doing it at the same time. I'm still very nervous about it, but for whatever silly reason, having someone else there that I know makes me feel like I'll be able to handle it. Mitch > Hey all, > Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks all for the expertise....as a n00b I really appreciated it! > Mitch Most certifications have part of their certification in a pool and then complete the certification in open water, which can be anything from the ocean to a really big bathtub. "Usually" in your final certification dives you'll go down to at least 30 feet. If you've never gone deeper than 10 feet you are not certified -- as I'm sure most people in this group would agree. Now, I don't know a damn thing about this dive at Epcot, and I'm just a novice still waiting for my OW certification dives, but I do know there are a lot of intro dives you can go on that require no certification at all. This may be one of them. As far as 27 feet goes, I have not been that deep -- yet -- but I've been told it's actually easier to get around at that depth than 10 feet. Also, you're not so deep that if you get into trouble you can pretty much make a beeline for the surface without any repercussions. >> Hey all, >> Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > you're not so deep that if you get into trouble you can pretty much make a > beeline for the surface without any repercussions. I thought OW divers were trained to 20m ( 60 foot ) and AOW to 30 m. However it is a long time since I did any type of course so I am probably wrong > I thought OW divers were trained to 20m ( 60 foot ) and AOW to 30 m. > However it is a long time since I did any type of course so I am probably > wrong I'm supposed to go to Homestead which is 60 feet deep, but they want to keep people off the bottom due to silt. So, you can't get to 60 feet, and my friends who graduated from my original NAUI class only went to about 35~45 feet to get certified. You may be confusing the actual certification with the "recommended" maximum depth for a novice recreational diver who just got certified. > As far as 27 feet goes, I have not been that deep -- yet -- but I've been > told it's actually easier to get around at that depth than 10 feet. Also, > you're not so deep that if you get into trouble you can pretty much make a > beeline for the surface without any repercussions. You were doing fine until you got to this point. The risk of lung expansion injury, what you get if you hold your breath and ascend, is greatest, closest to the surface. Lee > > As far as 27 feet goes, I have not been that deep -- yet -- but I've > > been [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Lee Agreed, but the first rule of diving is not to hold your breath. One would "assume" that divers are told that right off the bat. I know a lot of people who have been "diving" with no certification while out on a boat somewhere -- and it's their first ever dive. > Agreed, but the first rule of diving is not to hold your breath. No, it's not. We just had a discussion on this. Did you miss it? >> Agreed, but the first rule of diving is not to hold your breath. > > No, it's not. We just had a discussion on this. Did you miss it? How about it's "one" of the first rules of diving. :-) Actually, your post made me look up First Rules of Diving on the Net and not holding your breath doesn't even show up on any of them. > How about it's "one" of the first rules of diving. :-) Actually, your post > made me look up First Rules of Diving on the Net and not holding your breath > doesn't even show up on any of them. Really bad idea on ascent, especially from the shalow depths. Look up AGE; Arterial Gas Embolism. Here, let me help; http://scuba-doc.com/ageprbs.html >> How about it's "one" of the first rules of diving. :-) Actually, your > post [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://scuba-doc.com/ageprbs.html Thanks, but I'm well aware of everything that can explode on ascent. :-) I even come up cautiously from the bottom of the pool: breathing all the way. >>> How about it's "one" of the first rules of diving. :-) Actually, your >> post [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I even come up cautiously from the bottom of the pool: breathing all the > way. "even come up cautiously from the bottom of the pool"? as mentioned in this thread coming up from the bottom of the pool includes the most dangerous area for barotrauma because the pressure differences are the greatest. My instructor was always very big on always breathing u/w and blowing little bubbles if you have the reg out of your mouth for any reason >>>> How about it's "one" of the first rules of diving. :-) Actually, your >>> post [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > My instructor was always very big on always breathing u/w and blowing > little bubbles if you have the reg out of your mouth for any reason Same lessons taught here. And, I already got a barotrauma free diving to the bottom of the pool before I ever took a lesson. Very long lecture from an ENT who dives. Fortunately, everything is okay. What? What? >>> Agreed, but the first rule of diving is not to hold your breath. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > post made me look up First Rules of Diving on the Net and not holding your > breath doesn't even show up on any of them. It's not a rule at all. It's nothing more than a way for some agency to avoid the difficulty of teaching it right, that it's unhealthy to ascend significantly while holding your breath. It's a shortcut by someone more interested in making money than in providing good information. Lee >>>> Agreed, but the first rule of diving is not to hold your breath. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> post made me look up First Rules of Diving on the Net and not holding your >> breath doesn't even show up on any of them. Try searching on "First Rule of Diving" . It's amazing the difference one letter can make. >>>>> Agreed, but the first rule of diving is not to hold your breath. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Try searching on "First Rule of Diving" . It's amazing the difference one > letter can make. Never dive alone seems to be the consensus, but even with a buddy you should keep breathing. :-) > How about it's "one" of the first rules of diving. :-) I always figured it was kind of like with subs... "Make your number of ascents equal your number of descents"... "Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Now, I don't know a damn thing about this dive at Epcot, and I'm just a :novice still waiting for my OW certification dives, but I do know there are :a lot of intro dives you can go on that require no certification at all. :This may be one of them. Those are known as resort courses and this is not one of them. Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. >>Hey all, >>Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > you're not so deep that if you get into trouble you can pretty much make a > beeline for the surface without any repercussions. most air accidents are 20 feet to 0 including 10 to 0 feet that is where your biggest pressure change occurs > most air accidents are 20 feet to 0 including 10 to 0 feet that is where > your biggest pressure change occurs No, no !!! It's 5 to 0 feet . . . no, 4 to zero feet . . . OK, one inch to the surface. 8^) Sorry, just could not help myself. Of course you are correct. The point is, the nearer you get to the surface, the greater the percentage change in volume is for the same distance traveled and greater the percentage of change is, the greater the probability of a lung expansion injury. Lee >>>Hey all, >>>Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > most air accidents are 20 feet to 0 including 10 to 0 feet that is where > your biggest pressure change occurs Thanks. Now my OW certs no longer scare me. I guess if I can bop up and down to the bottom of the 12' pool, going deeper, at least 35'~40' should be easy. >>>>Hey all, >>>>Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > down to the bottom of the 12' pool, going deeper, at least 35'~40' should > be easy. lot more to see down there as well so you are a bit more distracted from just thinking about being under water >>>>>Hey all, >>>>>Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > lot more to see down there as well so you are a bit more distracted from > just thinking about being under water Well, I'm definitely getting tired of staring at the crap people have dropped in the pool. OW cert is in a hot springs in Utah that's 96 degrees. Only fish I'll see down there are poached, but I heard they put some stuff down there for divers to look at. "Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote: > Well, I'm definitely getting tired of staring at the crap people have > dropped in the pool. OW cert is in a hot springs in Utah that's 96 > degrees. Only fish I'll see down there are poached, but I heard they > put some stuff down there for divers to look at. 96 degrees? So you're going to be doing your certification dives in a gay bath house? So cool! Can I -come-? I have a new pre-teen boy that I'm breaking in, perhaps you would like seconds? He's still pretty tight since my dick is so small. I'll lick you clean afterwards. Love and kisses, Carl >Hey all, >Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >class I'll not have gone deeper than 10 feet. Is this too heavy duty >a dive for a first time diver? You have to be certified to do the dive. It's really pretty neat. You get to interact with the people in the restaurant and the observation area. They really stress on how important it is to behave. During your dive, you are considered a Cast Member and represent Disney. One part of the dive involves going into a bell with air and saying a few words to the camera. It's so noisy that it's hard to hear a thing. I hope you don't have a fear of sharks. There are several in the tank. >I don't check NGs often, so response to email bighabeeb@aol.com is >greatly appreciated! > >Thanks all for the expertise....as a n00b I really appreciated it! >Mitch Signaturedillon Broadway Photo sucks. Ask me why. |
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