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Regulator Failure
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Bill Roberto - 16 Jul 2007 13:43 GMT Greetings Group,
I'm new to diving and have been wondering about the chances of regulator failure. What could cause them, recovery procedure if any. Perhaps someone has experienced a regulator failure and how did they recover. I've read about an orifice freezing in certain conditions. What do you do?
Thanks in advance.
nospam@all.please.net - 16 Jul 2007 15:52 GMT > Greetings Group, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks in advance. I had a primary second stage fail once upon a time. I switched to the octopus and continued the dive. I had a 13 cf pony to cover other eventualities.
Grumman-581 - 16 Jul 2007 16:37 GMT > I'm new to diving and have been wondering about the chances of regulator > failure. What could cause them, recovery procedure if any. Perhaps > someone has experienced a regulator failure and how did they recover. > I've read about an orifice freezing in certain conditions. What do you do? I've had 2nd stages breathe wet enough that it was irritating enough that I disassembled them while underwater and fixed the problem... Usually just a diaphram that wasn't seated correctly... To prevent freeze ups, I dive in warm water -- works *every* time...
Lee Bell - 16 Jul 2007 17:13 GMT > I'm new to diving and have been wondering about the chances of regulator > failure. What could cause them, recovery procedure if any. Perhaps someone > has experienced a regulator failure and how did they recover. I've read > about an orifice freezing in certain conditions. What do you do? Failure of a properly maintained regulator designed for the kind of use it gets is very rare. By far, most failures are either because the regulator was not maintained or because it was not suitable for the way it was used, in very cold water, for example.
Part of the answer to how to deal with regulator failure is inherent in the statements above. The best way to deal with them is to avoid them in the first place. The other parts of the answer are alternate air source (octopus), redundant gas supply (pony bottle) and dive buddy.
Lee
subbaltica - 07 Aug 2007 09:42 GMT > Failure of a properly maintained regulator designed for the kind of use it > gets is very rare. By far, most failures are either because the regulator > was not maintained or because it was not suitable for the way it was used, > in very cold water, for example. Not exactly true. Even properly maineined reg. might freez in free flow or when breathed under stress. Even designed to very cold waters 1st stage can freez. In cold waters of Baltic or when diving under ice.
There are many technics of acting. Couple years ago general rule was to shut down frozen volve and act as in no air situation, there is a chance that in couple of minutes the volve will come around and work porperly. Now days rule I am using if no deco and no over head is to contiunue breathing from frozen volve (unless twinset avilable) and proceed safe ascent.
Sheldon - 16 Jul 2007 20:47 GMT > Greetings Group, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks in advance. All of the above, and if you dive in freezing conditions you should use a regulator designed for these conditions. When a regulator fails it almost always fails in an open position and free-flowing. It's very easy to breath from a free-flowing regulator (when trained how to do it) but you will go through your air very quickly so you should ascend immediately but safely if possible. If you have a buddy, which you should have, grab their alternate supply and ascend.
If you use your alternate regulator and your primary is free-flowing I would still go to a buddy. If that's impossible keep a sharp eye on your air supply as you ascend.
BTW, I'm a newbie and I've only experienced a regulator failure during a certification dive -- and we created the problem.
Dan Bracuk - 17 Jul 2007 00:27 GMT "Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:All of the above, and if you dive in freezing conditions you should use a :regulator designed for these conditions. When a regulator fails it almost :always fails in an open position and free-flowing. It's very easy to breath :from a free-flowing regulator (when trained how to do it) I'm not sure any training is required. You simply keep breathing.
Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Sheldon - 17 Jul 2007 04:49 GMT > "Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'm not sure any training is required. You simply keep breathing. That might work, but I think it's hard to breath when you've got more air coming into your mouth than you can use. The extra has to go somewhere, so knowing how to hold the regulator in your mouth to let the excess vent can help a lot.
> Dan Bracuk > Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- Matthias Voss - 17 Jul 2007 10:49 GMT >>"Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> pounded away at his keyboard >>resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > knowing how to hold the regulator in your mouth to let the excess vent can > help a lot. Most regulators have a mushroom valve through which air may escape at every exhale. Otherwise, most people I know are equipped with a nose, but without mushroom valve.
Matthias
Lee Bell - 17 Jul 2007 12:50 GMT >> I'm not sure any training is required. You simply keep breathing. > > That might work, but I think it's hard to breath when you've got more air > coming into your mouth than you can use. The extra has to go somewhere, > so knowing how to hold the regulator in your mouth to let the excess vent > can help a lot. It blows right out the exhaust valve.
Lee
Dan Bracuk - 17 Jul 2007 22:41 GMT "Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:That might work, but I think it's hard to breath when you've got more air :coming into your mouth than you can use. The extra has to go somewhere, so :knowing how to hold the regulator in your mouth to let the excess vent can :help a lot. I've done it. The first time was on my 2nd cert dive. It's not rocket science.
Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Curtis - 17 Jul 2007 22:55 GMT >> I'm not sure any training is required. You simply keep breathing. > > That might work, but I think it's hard to breath when you've got more air > coming into your mouth than you can use. The extra has to go somewhere, > so knowing how to hold the regulator in your mouth to let the excess vent > can help a lot. Think it's been touched on, but from personal experience, you can throttle down the freeflow to a rate just above your breathing rate. Requires a calm approach & careful valve adjustment, as well as the ability to reach your own valve. In my case, found the failure, a HP seat problem, self corrected when the tank pressure dropped to 1800-2000 psig. Will add that I was using an "H" valve at the time.
Buddy is still the better option, not "endorsing" this procedure, just noting it is possible.
And, as an additional disclaimer, if you "need" a dive computer, don't try this option, it's too complicated for you.
Curtis
nospam@all.please.net - 18 Jul 2007 06:11 GMT >>> I'm not sure any training is required. You simply keep breathing. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Requires a calm approach & careful valve adjustment, as well as the ability > to reach your own valve. Kinking the hose can also work.
> In my case, found the failure, a HP seat problem, > self corrected when the tank pressure dropped to 1800-2000 psig. Will add [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Curtis Lee Bell - 18 Jul 2007 13:06 GMT > And, as an additional disclaimer, if you "need" a dive computer, don't > try this option, it's too complicated for you. If, on the other hand, you believe that the only way to dive is plan your dive and dive your plan, you're going to have a real problem. A failed regulator kind of has a way of messing up that oh so careful plan.
Lee Bell - 17 Jul 2007 03:35 GMT > All of the above, and if you dive in freezing conditions you should use a > regulator designed for these conditions. When a regulator fails it almost > always fails in an open position and free-flowing. Depends on the regulator's design. Some first stages fail in the closed position, as do some second stages. Either one can be a real problem, but neither is as bad as a first stage that fails in the open position that is hooked to a second stage that fails in the closed position, that lacks a pressure relieve valve. As far as I know, there are no modern regulators that combine these features as shipped from the factory, but I'd bet there are sets around put together by their owners that don't suspect they have a potential bomb in their mouths.
> It's very easy to breath from a free-flowing regulator (when trained how > to do it) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > their > alternate supply and ascend. A lot depends on the situation. If you've got a deco obligation, I sure hope your buddy has enough air for both of you to do it on the way up. One of many things the DIR camp got right is that, on all dives where it's likely to be an issue, everybody carries enough gas to get everybody (two or three person buddy teams) to the surface safely.
If no deco is involved, there's at least a couple other options. You've already mentioned breathing off the freeflowing regulator. You didn't mention shutting your valve between breaths in order to limit the amount of gas lost. Most divers, these days, with most equipment used these days, would have to remove the tank and BCD to do this. Some of us still find it important to be able to configure things so that we can reach the valves without taking everything off.
> If you use your alternate regulator and your primary is free-flowing I > would still go to a buddy. If that's impossible keep a sharp eye on your > air supply as you ascend. All things being equal, I'd recommend going to your buddy under any problem circumstances. That's what a buddy is for. If it turns out you don't need assistance on the way up, great. If you do, however, it's good to have it close by.
> BTW, I'm a newbie and I've only experienced a regulator failure during a > certification dive -- and we created the problem. You may be a newbie, but your thinking processes are doing just fine.
Lee
Sheldon - 17 Jul 2007 04:55 GMT >> All of the above, and if you dive in freezing conditions you should use a >> regulator designed for these conditions. When a regulator fails it [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > You may be a newbie, but your thinking processes are doing just fine. Hey, thanks. :-)
Sheldon
VK - 16 Jul 2007 21:19 GMT > I'm new to diving and have been wondering about the chances of regulator > failure. What could cause them, recovery procedure if any. Perhaps > someone has experienced a regulator failure and how did they recover. Well, there are different sorts of reg problems.
The most common one is a mild leakage from either the first stage or the second stage. Annoying but not really a big deal - my own regs dribble a bit of air for ages. Can be fixed by servicing the reg and checking the IP to make sure it is within manufacturer specs.
Another problem is a second stage freeflowing - which has happened to me a few times during shallow water training (we do confined off a beach). You can breathe off the freeflowing reg as you ascend, or if you can reach your tank valve, you can turn it on/off in sync with your breathing (not really recommended except as a last resort).
A more serious problem is a first stage problem which can cause it to flood - usually a problem with the diaphragm or the piston seat. I've had this happen twice in the last 10 years: one was a brand new reg (my second time using it), and once was a reg that was in the middle of its useful life (a few years old, serviced 2 month prior). 2 common causes - either you wait far too many years before servicing your regs (which can cause problems with sealing or internals breaking down), or there is a defective part (perhaps an O-ring that wasnt made correctly). If the latter, you're pretty SOL as there is not much any reg technician can do to id that upfront.
Here, you really dont have too many choices except (i) hope you have a redundant air source - either a different tank+reg set, or a buddy or (ii) hope you can make an emergency ascent. The problem is that while most people can do an emergeny ascent from 20m - or even 30m - if starting with full lungs, a flooded reg means that you'll be starting with empty lungs. So stay close to your buddy or work on your apnea skills.
Generally speaking, the best in-water practice is to stay with your buddy. Play a game I have my OW students do during dives 3 & 4: at any random point, stop breathing and try to swim to your buddy and get their air. If the urge to breathe overpowers you, the two of you need to rethink your buddy skills.
Vandit
Sheldon - 17 Jul 2007 05:13 GMT >> I'm new to diving and have been wondering about the chances of regulator >> failure. What could cause them, recovery procedure if any. Perhaps [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > their air. If the urge to breathe overpowers you, the two of you need > to rethink your buddy skills. Good plan. Two of the things we did during certification was coming up to your buddy with their back turned and grabbing the alternate air supply. It is kind off a surprise, but you realize right away what's the problem. The other is give the out of air signal when your buddy is facing you and you both swim towards each other as fast as you can. Both are practiced with either the air turned off -- by an instructor -- or simply removing the regulator from your mouth. At least with a free-flowing regulator you can still breath as you go to your buddy.
I keep thinking during this thread that to be extra safe you and your buddy should have enough air for an ascent for two in case of an emergency before you surface, and as your air gets lower you should be at a shallower level.
Sheldon
> Vandit Lee Bell - 17 Jul 2007 13:03 GMT > Good plan. Two of the things we did during certification was coming up to > your buddy with their back turned and grabbing the alternate air supply. You want to make a real test of it, do the drill again, with him expecting someone will grab his alternate, and grab his primary instead. In real life, you need to be able to deal with the unexpected.
> I keep thinking during this thread that to be extra safe you and your > buddy should have enough air for an ascent for two in case of an emergency > before you surface, and as your air gets lower you should be at a > shallower level. I think most of us favor being self reliant first and providing a backup second. Back when I only had one tank and, therefore, only did one dive a day, I knew I could make it to the surface safely from an recreational depth, with or without gas. I knew it because I'd done it. As multiple dives per day became more common, decompression issues complicated the equation. The more nitrogen I had in my system, the more likely it was that a rapid ascent would bend me. I'm still reasonably comfortable alone at moderate depths, but the more dives I do in a day and the deeper I do them, the more likely I am to carry an independent source of gas and the more likely I am to stay closer to my buddy . . . just in case.
Lee
chilly - 06 Aug 2007 00:09 GMT >(snip)> > A more serious problem is a first stage problem which can cause it to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > starting with empty lungs. So stay close to your buddy or work on > your apnea skills. (snip)>
Vandit, I've had my primary start sucking water. I switched to my octo. No problem. I took a look at my primary and the front cover was coming off. I managed to save the screw. Once back on shore I took it to the service dept. and they couldn't find anything wrong with it. They figured it might have had a piece of sand stuck under the edge of the diaphram.
My guess was that I'd seen a DM step on my primary earlier in the day and that caused both the problem with the diaphram and the front cover.
VK - 06 Aug 2007 16:13 GMT > Vandit, I've had my primary start sucking water. I switched to my octo. No > problem. I took a look at my primary and the front cover was coming off. I > managed to save the screw. Once back on shore I took it to the service > dept. and they couldn't find anything wrong with it. They figured it might > have had a piece of sand stuck under the edge of the diaphram. Well, if your front cover was coming off, then it is also possible that your diaphragm wasnt sitting properly - although that isnt likely provided the cover was in place.
Talking about scary - one of the 2 first stage failures I have been witness to was a ____ balanced 2nd stage that were used by the dive center when I took it over. On one dive, at 30m, I hear a loud bubbling sound and turn around to see my AOW student - who had just finished his OW a couple of days ago - swimming at me, pointing urgently at his first stage. We did a reg exchange, and as we started to come up, the bubbles stopped. I checked his gauge, he still had 70 bars. I tried his reg- it was working fine.
I took it apart in the dive shop - everything looked ok. I took apart another one and compared the two - and still couldnt find a problem. Had several discussions, email exchanges, photo exchanges, etc. with the manufacturer and still couldnt isolate a problem. Had no repeat of that incident. How's that for bizarre?
Now we use a different brand. Unbalanced, but with fewer failure points.
> My guess was that I'd seen a DM step on my primary earlier in the day and > that caused both the problem with the diaphram and the front cover. Ouch. That's tough luck.
Vandit
Rod - 07 Aug 2007 03:16 GMT >>(snip)> >> A more serious problem is a first stage problem which can cause it to [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >My guess was that I'd seen a DM step on my primary earlier in the day and >that caused both the problem with the diaphram and the front cover. you didn't check it after that , before the dive ?
chilly - 07 Aug 2007 07:58 GMT > >My guess was that I'd seen a DM step on my primary earlier in the day and > >that caused both the problem with the diaphram and the front cover. > > > you didn't check it after that , before the dive ? I breathe my reg before descent every time, if for no other reason than to check that my air is on. However, it doesn't suck water when I'm still on the boat before my backroll no matter how many times someone has stepped on it. :^)
Besides that, it didn't start sucking water until I was at 80 feet.
Dillon Pyron - 11 Aug 2007 02:06 GMT >>(snip)> >> A more serious problem is a first stage problem which can cause it to [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >My guess was that I'd seen a DM step on my primary earlier in the day I assume you tipped him. About 45 degrees will usually do the trick, gravity takes over from there.
>and >that caused both the problem with the diaphram and the front cover. >  Signature dillon
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chilly - 11 Aug 2007 04:48 GMT > >My guess was that I'd seen a DM step on my primary earlier in the day > > I assume you tipped him. About 45 degrees will usually do the trick, > gravity takes over from there. I did lose my cool!! But I didn't tip him off the boat . . and I did tip the whole crew the usual amount.
Once back at the shop, the dive op did not charge me for checking out my reg and fixing the screw situation.
Grumman-581 - 12 Aug 2007 08:17 GMT > Once back at the shop, the dive op did not charge me for checking out my reg > and fixing the screw situation. Hmmm... "Fixing the screw situation"? So, you're saying that they left you satisfied? <dirty-old-man-grin>
Apparently sometimes a banana just won't do?
chilly - 15 Aug 2007 08:00 GMT > > Once back at the shop, the dive op did not charge me for checking out my reg > > and fixing the screw situation. > > Hmmm... "Fixing the screw situation"? So, you're saying that they > left you satisfied? <dirty-old-man-grin> Grumman, never change. Sigh.
Perhaps you don't recall (and understandably so). As the story goes, when my reg started sucking water, I switched to my octo. I looked at my primary. I noted that the cover was coming off and then noted the screw was coming out. I managed to catch the screw and save it to give to the tech.
> Apparently sometimes a banana just won't do? It *is* hard to wear a screw on your head whilst diving. If you don't believe me, try it sometime and get back to me with the results.
Grumman-581 - 15 Aug 2007 08:25 GMT > Perhaps you don't recall (and understandably so). As the story goes, when > my reg started sucking water, I switched to my octo. I looked at my > primary. I noted that the cover was coming off and then noted the screw was > coming out. I managed to catch the screw and save it to give to the tech. So, you're saying that you gave the tech a screw?
OK... I understand now...
<dirty-old-man-grin>
dechucka - 17 Jul 2007 06:01 GMT > Greetings Group, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks in advance. IMHO if your primarary fails you have 3 sources of air:-
- your secondary -your buddies secondary -your buddies primary
if all else fails a emergency swimming ascent ( blow bubbles ) and you won't be dead ( but maybe with blood like a beer bottle ) but hopefully someone can figure out the nitrogen situation......... Hey lets go down again with plenty of air and sit on a deco bar.
Matthias Voss - 17 Jul 2007 10:52 GMT >>Greetings Group, >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -your buddies secondary > -your buddies primary -Your inflator mouthpiece ( while you press the button)
Matthias
Greg Mossman - 17 Jul 2007 14:50 GMT > >>Greetings Group, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -Your inflator mouthpiece ( while you press the button) Your drysuit (awkward, but theoretically possible).
dechucka - 17 Jul 2007 20:24 GMT >> >>Greetings Group, >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> -Your inflator mouthpiece ( while you press the button) has been discussed in after dive drinkies BUT I would be swimming to the surface
> Your drysuit (awkward, but theoretically possible). Hasn't been discussed and I don't know how but as I always dive wet irrelevant but interesting
Matthias Voss - 18 Jul 2007 07:58 GMT >>>>Greetings Group, >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Your drysuit (awkward, but theoretically possible). You need to wear a big base cap for that, to catch and breath from the escaping bubbles.
It is easier to dump the reg and breath from the valve.
Matthias
Froggy - 18 Jul 2007 17:33 GMT My buddy's mouthpiece detached from the reg. This is a bit vicious as you only find out about it after you exhale, and there's a risk of "breathing water". But other than that, the secondary is there, and your buddy should be close enough anyway (but the notion of "close enough" varies depending on whether you have a proper air supply or not: I thought I was close to her, but she felt differently... weird)
Dr Yak - 19 Jul 2007 04:17 GMT Did your buddy test her regulator and secondary on the boat before the dive? It's best to do this before the boat leaves the dock so if you need something you have a chance to get it.
There's a ridge on the regulator where the mouthpiece attaches so it won't just fall out, but the pressure of breathing out could cause it come off.
Loosing your regulator like that could be a bit stressful and result in some coughing or choking, but you should be able to get your secondary quickly. As I said, you might cough a little, but once you've got air again you should be able to recover.
Of course this means you abort the dive as quickly and safely as possible since you no longer have an alternative air source.
I suppose some would be able to fix the problem under water, but most of don't carry a plastic tie to replace the broken one. And most of us would not hold onto the mouthpiece one that came lose (or carry a spare in our BCs).
> My buddy's mouthpiece detached from the reg. This is a bit vicious as > you only find out about it after you exhale, and there's a risk of > "breathing water". But other than that, the secondary is there, and > your buddy should be close enough anyway (but the notion of "close > enough" varies depending on whether you have a proper air supply or > not: I thought I was close to her, but she felt differently... weird) Froggy - 19 Jul 2007 18:45 GMT > Did your buddy test her regulator and secondary on the boat before the > dive? It's best to do this before the boat leaves the dock so if you [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > would not hold onto the mouthpiece one that came lose (or carry a spare > in our BCs). Well, my buddy is still alive so yes apparently one can survive the ordeal.
You can test the regulator on the surface but if the tie snaps underwater there's not much advance warning.
And why abord the dive? Statistically the odds of having two successive failures in a single dive are extremely extremely low, by another order magnitude comapred to a single failure. And even without the mouthpiece the regulator is fully functionnal, it is a problem if you are caught unaware but for an emergency it's OK.
Lee Bell - 19 Jul 2007 20:40 GMT > And why abort the dive? Statistically the odds of having two > successive failures in a single dive are extremely extremely low, by > another order magnitude comapred to a single failure. And even without > the mouthpiece the regulator is fully functionnal, it is a problem if > you are caught unaware but for an emergency it's OK. Because PADI (or whatever other agency you choose to disrespect) says so.
Your question is a good one and your conclusion matches mine. I'd not abort the dive simply because the mouthpiece pulled off one of my second stages except in exceptional circumstances. The exception is on a particularly advanced dive or one with a particularly inexperienced buddy. I use a long hose primary and a short hose necklaced alternate. If I thought the lack of a mouthpiece on my primary, which is the hose I would share, would be a significant risk to a buddy, I'd abort. Otherwise, I'd just pick up my alternate and keep on keeping on.
Lee
Dr Yak - 20 Jul 2007 03:14 GMT I'd abort the dive because if something else goes wrong, I've got no backup. Of course this does depend on how well you know your dive buddy (and how close you remain) and how deep you're diving. A shore dive at 20 feet is one thing. A wreck dive in the colder parts of the Atlantic at 100 feet is another thing. And a cave dive regardless of depth is for me time to abort. I want to be around for a dive tomorrow.
You're certified. Your training explained the risks.
>> Did your buddy test her regulator and secondary on the boat before the >> dive? It's best to do this before the boat leaves the dock so if you [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > the mouthpiece the regulator is fully functionnal, it is a problem if > you are caught unaware but for an emergency it's OK. Froggy - 20 Jul 2007 11:36 GMT > I'd abort the dive because if something else goes wrong, I've got no > backup. Of course this does depend on how well you know your dive buddy [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You're certified. Your training explained the risks. The regulator without the mouthpiece is still perfectly usable, if uncomfortable. So you still have a backup, there's no real added risk. And the buddy (myself) was made aware of what had happened so no surprise if I were the one having to use it, either.
The major issue is that it shows that some of the equipment appears poorly maintained, which for a more risky dive of the type you describe would be reason enough to abort. But this was a fairly normal dive in tropical water, done with rental equipment (i.e. the fact that equipment is probably crappy is known in advance).
hierophantfish@hotmail.com - 08 Aug 2007 02:20 GMT > Greetings Group, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks in advance. Funny you should mention this. I've been diving for quite a while and never had a regulator problem until just a few weeks ago. Like many of the others here have said to you, I don't dive in freezing temps and I do have my regs serviced at my LDS. A few weeks ago while on a shore dive, my first stage blew. I was with 3 other divers and we were close to the exit point , which was a ladder to climb up a 10 ft cliff to the beach. Since we just spotted some squids and we all had air left, we were watching the squids, not ready to end the dive and were in about 25 ft of water. All the sudden, my primary started free- flowing very hard in very rapid spurts. It actually hurt my teeth to try to maintain it in my mouth. The others said the rapid pop-pop-pop noise was so loud that it sounded like machine gun fire underwater and got their attention immediately. Puzzled, I took the reg out of my mouth and smacked it. It didn't stop so I switched to my octopus but the octopus did the same thing. My buddy came over next to me by the time I tried my octopus and when he saw that failed too, he shoved his primary in my mouth and we made a controlled assent. I turned my tank off as soon as I could to stop the racket . Later that day, I was talking with a fellow diver who is a dive shop owner and as soon as I described the situation, he asked, "Was it a Mares reg by chance ?" I replied yes and he told me that Mares are "famous" for doing that. I could have made it to the surface fine without my buddy's help but needless to say, I was a bit shaken by it because we had been down to 80 ft during that dive. Good thing it happened at the end of the dive.
chilly - 08 Aug 2007 07:57 GMT (snip)> talking with a fellow diver who is a dive shop owner and as soon as I
> described the situation, he asked, "Was it a Mares reg by chance ?" > I replied yes and he told me that Mares are "famous" for doing that. > I could have made it to the surface fine without my buddy's help but > needless to say, I was a bit shaken by it because we had been down to > 80 ft during that dive. Good thing it happened at the end of the > dive. When are you getting your new regs? :^)
hierophantfish@hotmail.com - 12 Aug 2007 04:17 GMT > <hierophantf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > When are you getting your new regs? :^) No need to. I have several others. :-)
hierophantfish@hotmail.com - 12 Aug 2007 04:21 GMT On Aug 11, 11:17 pm, hierophantf...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > <hierophantf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > No need to. I have several others. :-) And not Mares. Hahahaha
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