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Some photos from my trip
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dechucka - 12 Jul 2007 02:24 GMT http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka
all criticism will be ignored. I know they aren't great but I said I would post a few and a photo of myself for Popeye
Thanks for all the advice from the other thread on how I could post photos to the net
JOF - 12 Jul 2007 02:27 GMT > http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks for all the advice from the other thread on how I could post photos > to the net You have a snorkel. Why?
JF
dechucka - 12 Jul 2007 02:36 GMT >> http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You have a snorkel. Why? not bad 3 minutes to come up with that.
Yes I dive with a snorkel. Why because Iwas trained that way and have always done so. I use it when swimming round to the anchor line and when swimming on the surface back to the boat or to my exit point on a shore dive. I find it useful and not a hassle or a hindrance for the type of diving I do.
I also carry 2 knives but not a gun
:-) dechucka - 12 Jul 2007 02:47 GMT >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > :-) I also dive with Seiko dive watch and turn the bevel around when about to descend to time my dive, I also look at my dive tables when I exit. Computers are great ( and of course I use them ) but I was taught to do these things and I feel comfortable in doing them which IMHO is the whole point of diving.
No I do not suffer from OCD
Dan Bracuk - 12 Jul 2007 02:34 GMT "dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka : :all criticism will be ignored. I know they aren't great but I said I would :post a few and a photo of myself for Popeye Not bad. I've done worse. Are these original images or do you do any editing first?
Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
JOF - 12 Jul 2007 02:38 GMT > "dechucka" <dechu...@vomithotmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Not bad. I've done worse. Are these original images or do you do any > editing first? Some of them look pretty darned good to me. But then I drowned my flash on one third of my photo-taking dives so what do I know?
JF
dechucka - 12 Jul 2007 02:40 GMT > "dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Not bad. I've done worse. Are these original images or do you do any > editing first? Straight off the camera to the computer to the net. I was slightly dissapointed because the camera setting I was using was meant to decrease the blue in the photos which it didn't do on some. Looking at my results the flash on the camera is totally inadequate so for decent photos in the future a strobe or something will be needed
Dan Bracuk - 12 Jul 2007 03:56 GMT "dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Straight off the camera to the computer to the net. I was slightly :dissapointed because the camera setting I was using was meant to decrease :the blue in the photos which it didn't do on some. Looking at my results the :flash on the camera is totally inadequate so for decent photos in the future :a strobe or something will be needed Photo editing software is money well spent for any underwater photograher. I use Microsoft Digital Image Pro. Adobe Photoshop seems to be the market leader.
Note to self, post some before and after images tomorrow.
Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
Grumman-581 - 12 Jul 2007 04:13 GMT > Note to self, post some before and after images tomorrow. It's always interesting to have full resolution before and after photos available for viewing / download... You might not want them to automatically be displayed on the web page due to bandwidth issues, but it's nice to see what a photographer had to work with initially and what they ended up with after post-processing with their tool of choice...
For example, I started out with this: http://picasaweb.google.com/grumman581/2006NiagaraFalls/photo#5086139626851064882 And ended up with this: http://picasaweb.google.com/grumman581/2006NiagaraFalls/photo#5086139613966162978
Very slight gamma correction...
dechucka - 12 Jul 2007 07:26 GMT >> Note to self, post some before and after images tomorrow. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Very slight gamma correction... OK I am old fashion I feel uncomfortable redoing the picture on the computer to make it look better.
Grumman-581 - 12 Jul 2007 08:34 GMT > OK I am old fashion I feel uncomfortable redoing the picture on the computer > to make it look better. Well, back in the old days, we would use filters on our lenses to get the look we were attempting to achieve... Sometimes a simple polarized lens would work, sometimes a gradient filter was necessary... There is also an issue of dynamic range that our eyes can see that film or video images might not necessarily record... There are probably two schools of thought with respect to photography... One is just an accurate recording of what was originally seen... The other is photography as a art form... Awh 'ell, do you think that all those girls in Playboy really look that way? I've done extensive research into this matter and up until recently (i.e. body piercing fads), it was very difficult to find girls with staples in their navels...
Even the old black & white photographers used colored filters to make certain colors stand out more than they normally did... These days, we do our enhancements with software... Even when you take your photos to your local film print shop, you'll find them making subtle corrections to your photos if they see something that doesn't look right due to the type of light that you were taking the photo under... That was one of the advantages of slide film in that they tended to follow your instructions and you got exactly what you shot (for good or bad)...
dechucka - 12 Jul 2007 08:40 GMT >> OK I am old fashion I feel uncomfortable redoing the picture on the >> computer [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > of the advantages of slide film in that they tended to follow your > instructions and you got exactly what you shot (for good or bad)... all very good advice, thankyou
I don't want to win photos prizes at local shows ( my beer will win enough ) just want memories of trips
Grumman-581 - 12 Jul 2007 08:46 GMT > all very good advice, thankyou So, you're going to quit looking for staples in the navels of nice looking girls? <dirty-old-man-grin>
dechucka - 12 Jul 2007 23:36 GMT >> all very good advice, thankyou > > So, you're going to quit looking for staples in the navels of nice > looking girls? <dirty-old-man-grin> NEVER!!!!!!
Grumman-581 - 12 Jul 2007 09:03 GMT > I don't want to win photos prizes at local shows ( my beer will win > enough ) just want memories of trips Well, look at the photo that you took of the beach with the sunset... You could have gone with a shot at noon and given more detail of the terrain in the shot, but you chose to with with an artistic approach and shoot right after sunset and end up with quite a few things in silhouette... By going with a slower shutter speed or a wider aperature, you could have had a brighter image, but you chose to go with a more artistic approach of things in silhouette... Maybe it was more of an unconscious choice, but for whatever reason, you decided that it looked better when taken that way... Sometimes an image gets overexposed and you correct it in software... Sometimes you crop... Sometimes you align the image because you had to lean over a rail to get the shot and as such, the camera ended up being at an angle... I suspect that most images in major magazines get some sort of photo enhancement done to them... If you shoot in RAW mode, you get to have more options... My new camera can shoot in RAW mode, but I haven't posted any of them yet... I had meant to take it with me to SoFL recently, but I realized after about 2 hours on the road that I had left it on the couch (black leather couch and black leather camera bag equals very good camouflage)...
dechucka - 12 Jul 2007 23:36 GMT >> I don't want to win photos prizes at local shows ( my beer will win >> enough ) just want memories of trips [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > left it on the couch (black leather couch and black leather camera bag > equals very good camouflage)... Once again very interesting comments but I just point and shoot sometimes the photos are good other time they're not. With digital it obviously cheaper to take lots of photos and weed out the crap ones
Dan Bracuk - 13 Jul 2007 00:32 GMT "dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Once again very interesting comments but I just point and shoot sometimes :the photos are good other time they're not. With digital it obviously :cheaper to take lots of photos and weed out the crap ones That's pretty much my approach also. Mind you, sometimes a bit of effort goes into the point.
Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
George Cathcart - 12 Jul 2007 12:27 GMT > >> Note to self, post some before and after images tomorrow. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > OK I am old fashion I feel uncomfortable redoing the picture on the computer > to make it look better. What we do in Photoshop is no different than what Ansel Adams used to do in the darkroom. He did it much more effectively, of course, and he had better material to work with, but the amount of time and effort he put into the darkroom, using filters, burning and dodging, selecting papers, soaking in chemicals and so on, was much greater on any given photo than what we do now with any given exposure.
Unless you are completely transforming images, you can make simple but dramatic improvement just using the levels, brightness/contrast and saturation adjustments with a little sharpening, all of which can be done in PS or PSP or any other image software available. The sharpening filters are the only ones that don't duplicate what used to be done in the darkroom, and they are needed with digital photographs because of the nature of most digital sensors, which don't record images the same way film does. Some sharpening is always necessary, no matter how good the original image is.
So get a photo editor, even a cheap one, and learn to use it. Even if you are shooting just for your own memories, your memories will improve as your final images improve.
There's a lot of potential in what you shot, even some pretty good stuff for a first time out. You've already figured out a couple of things -- on-camera flash doesn't do the job underwater, for example. Free-swimming fish are very hard to shoot, especially with digital and even minor shutter lag. The other thing that everyone has to learn very early is you're never close enough. One of the most important tricks is to put as little water as possible between the camera and the subject. Colors are better, images are sharper and there's less whale snot when you get close. When you think you're close enough, get a little closer.
Keep practicing. The great thing about digital is that pixels are cheap, and you can review your results instantly. Good luck.
gc
Dan Bracuk - 13 Jul 2007 00:38 GMT On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:53:01 -0500, Dan Bracuk <NOTbra...@pathcom.com> wrote:
:Note to self, post some before and after images tomorrow. Jawfish original http://www.pathcom.com/~u1072675/jaw_ori.jpg edited http://www.pathcom.com/~u1072675/jaw.jpg
Queen Angelfish original http://www.pathcom.com/~u1072675/angel_ori.jpg edited http://www.pathcom.com/~u1072675/angel.jpg
Filefish orginal http://www.pathcom.com/~u1072675/filefish_ori.jpg edited http://www.pathcom.com/~u1072675/filefish.jpg
Reef origianal http://www.pathcom.com/~u1072675/reef_ori.jpg edited http://www.pathcom.com/~u1072675/reef.jpg
average editing time, 1 minute per image
Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
VK - 12 Jul 2007 14:59 GMT > OK I am old fashion I feel uncomfortable redoing the picture on the computer > to make it look better. Don't. The point of photography is not to do a literal, documentary representation of what you see. no photo is a representation of what you've seen (unless you can only see 5-7 stops worth of dynamic range). Even your choice of film: Velvia vs Astia, for example, affects the results.
Post-processing has been a part and parcel of photography since times immemorial - see Ansel Adams. Digital merely puts those tools of the traditional darkroom within the reach of more people.
Short answer: there's nothing wrong with retouching your pictures (within reason) on the computer. In fact, if you shoot with a DSLR, you *should* be editing the images on the computer (DSLRS are designed that way).
V.
dazed and confuzzed - 12 Jul 2007 02:56 GMT > http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks for all the advice from the other thread on how I could post photos > to the net Which pic shows you?
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dechucka - 12 Jul 2007 03:03 GMT >> http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Which pic shows you? Pictures 5 and 6
chilly - 13 Jul 2007 08:04 GMT > >> http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Pictures 5 and 6 Hmm, I only saw one of a diver . . whom I assumed was you . . bubbles.
dechucka - 13 Jul 2007 08:17 GMT >> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka >> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Hmm, I only saw one of a diver . . whom I assumed was you . . bubbles. your right 5 and 6 were a picture of a huge puffer fish
JOF - 13 Jul 2007 14:00 GMT > >> >>http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > your right 5 and 6 were a picture of a huge puffer fish We knew that wasn't you - no snorkel. 8)
JF
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 13 Jul 2007 16:39 GMT >> >> >>http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > JF He had the "puffer" part nailed... :-)
<Make that the American connotation.>
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dechucka - 13 Jul 2007 22:24 GMT >>> >> >>http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > <Make that the American connotation.> In the words of that great Australian politician Pauline Hanson "Pleese expline" '
Dan Bracuk - 13 Jul 2007 23:34 GMT "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com>
: He had the "puffer" part nailed... :-) : : <Make that the American connotation.> Tobacco burner?
Dan Bracuk Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.
dechucka - 13 Jul 2007 22:23 GMT >> >> >>http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > We knew that wasn't you - no snorkel. 8) not wrong I was trying out my new gills after doing the "Swim with gills" PADI course. Only US$525.99 and I got to keep the manual what a bargain
JOF - 13 Jul 2007 23:40 GMT > >> "chilly" <slar...@shaw.canada> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > not wrong I was trying out my new gills after doing the "Swim with gills" > PADI course. Only US$525.99 and I got to keep the manual what a bargain- But don't they make yer neck look kinda funny. I'd not wanna live thru a summer here, even in the frozen north, with a perennial turtleneck. On the other hand, if it's a device one can insert in the throat by way of the mouth that would suit me fine. My mouth is reportedly big enuf to accommodate almost anything, at least on egress.
So that wasn't really a snorkel in the pic, but rather an exhaust valve for some newfangled PADI skillset. Man, what they can't do these days.
Good on ya, old son.
JF
Dennis (Icarus) - 12 Jul 2007 05:17 GMT > http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka > > all criticism will be ignored. I know they aren't great but I said I would > post a few and a photo of myself for Popeye I thought there were some good ones in there - even excluding the above-water shots (Very cool sunset, BTW)
Dennis
dechucka - 12 Jul 2007 05:19 GMT >> http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I thought there were some good ones in there - even excluding the > above-water shots (Very cool sunset, BTW) thanks
actually a sunrise on one of the Islands we camped on
ben bradlee - 12 Jul 2007 22:12 GMT > http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka > > all criticism will be ignored. Here here.
Thanks for sharing.
chilly - 13 Jul 2007 08:04 GMT > http://picasaweb.google.com/dechucka > > all criticism will be ignored. I know they aren't great but I said I would > post a few and a photo of myself for Popeye Looks like you have a bubbly personality.
> Thanks for all the advice from the other thread on how I could post photos > to the net
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