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Scuba Forum / General / July 2007For those that think illegal immigrants are good for America.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8 2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html 3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html 4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for childre n here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html 5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html 9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html 11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht 12. The Nat ional Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf 13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. 14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ". http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml [snip yet more of Lee's constant whining] Have you ever heard the term "like a broken record"? Still, what's that all add up to, about a month of the war in Iraq? I don't see a very balanced perspective either, since you don't list any of the obvious benefits that illegals bring to our economy. Here's a WSJ interview of two leading economists that discusses the overall benefit to the economy, even considering the CIS study you cite: http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB115100948305787940-TJNnUzuAoQ5arQXq jeFdXkOquLo_20070626.html "Economists agree that the immigration generates a small net economic benefit for the U.S. and in doing so redistributes income from workers to owners of capital and land. Perhaps this is why immigration is such a political hot potato; it's mostly a distribution issue and, for governments that are in the business of redistributing income via taxes and subsidies, regulating immigration is another redistribution tool." So given that truth, that illegals actually general a small net economic benefit for the U.S., why do you have such a problem with them? Did you lose a job to them? Did they bruise your strawberries? Your obsessive off-topic whining is a bit weird. > [snip yet more of Lee's constant whining] > > Have you ever heard the term "like a broken record"? Sure, you bring that term to mind often. > Still, what's that all add up to, about a month of the war in Iraq? I > don't see a very balanced perspective either, since you don't list any > of the obvious benefits that illegals bring to our economy. Has nothing to do with Iraq, but nice try at changing and obfuscating. First word is illegal. Period. I have to obey the law, you have to obey the law, why should the illegal immigrants be exempt? > Here's a WSJ interview of two leading economists that discusses the > overall benefit to the economy, even considering the CIS study you > cite: http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB115100948305787940-TJNnUzuAoQ5arQXq jeFdXkOquLo_20070626.html > "Economists agree that the immigration generates a small net economic > benefit for the U.S. and in doing so redistributes income from workers [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > taxes and subsidies, regulating immigration is another redistribution > tool." No mention of the crimes, dope, and toll taken on law enforcement and prisons. How much additional aid do the taxpayers of this country give to Mexico every year? > So given that truth, Funny, you accept things that back your position as truth, yet ignore multitudes of information that doesnt. > that illegals actually general a small net > economic benefit for the U.S., why do you have such a problem with > them? Did you lose a job to them? Did they bruise your > strawberries? Your obsessive off-topic whining is a bit weird. Do you know any carpenters or families of carpenters whom lost their jobs to the people whom exploit illegal immigrants? I though you democrats all stood on the shoulders of unions and such, or are you just sucking votes while you stab them in the back? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288737,00.html Texas State Lawmaker Opposing Deadly Force Bill Shoots Would-Be Thief Monday, July 09, 2007 HOUSTON - A state lawmaker who opposed a bill giving Texans stronger right to defend themselves with deadly force pulled a gun and shot a man he says was trying to steal copper wiring from a construction site, police said Monday. Rep. Borris Miles told police he was fixing a leak on the second floor of the Houston house he's building Sunday night when he heard a noise downstairs and saw two men trying to steal the copper. After Miles confronted the pair, one of the men threw a pocketknife at him, Houston Police spokesman Victor Senties. Miles, a former law enforcement officer, shot the man in the left leg, police said. The wounded suspect was being treated at a Houston hospital. Police were trying to identify the other suspect. Charges of aggravated robbery are pending against the wounded suspect, Senties said. Police said Miles, who is in his freshman term, is licensed to carry a concealed weapon. No charges have been filed against Miles, Senties said. Miles, a Democrat, voted against a bill that gives Texans stronger legal right to defend themselves with deadly force in their homes, vehicles, and workplaces. The so-called "castle doctrine," passed by the Legislature this year, states that a person has no duty to retreat from an intruder before using deadly force. The law goes into effect Sept. 1. > I have to obey the law, you have to obey the law, why should the illegal > immigrants be exempt? They're not. When they're caught, they're deported. Simple as that. Unlike Dennis, I don't obey the law all the time. I jaywalk when I feel like it. I speed, a lot. I even urinate in public from time to time and there are a host of other laws that I'm ready and willing to violate in the right circumstances. But because cops aren't around 24/7, I usually get away with it. Why should illegals be treated any different? My complaint is that illegals are so afraid of being deported, so afraid of breaking any laws and being noticed by la policia, that they drive too damn slow. But a few slow drivers are a small price to pay for cheap fresh strawberries. > No mention of the crimes, dope, and toll taken on law enforcement and > prisons. Hardly any different than the legal members of society. Why should illegals be treated any different? > How much additional aid do the taxpayers of this country give to Mexico > every year? A lot less than they give to Iraq. WTF does Iraq do for our economy? They don't pick our strawberries. We can buy our oil from our Saudi buddies instead, but if we're not growing strawberries on our own soil, we'll be buying them all from Mexico. At least will illegals picking them here, some of the money stays here. > Do you know any carpenters or families of carpenters whom lost their jobs to > the people whom exploit illegal immigrants? Personally, no. Do you? > I though you democrats all stood on the shoulders of unions and such, or are > you just sucking votes while you stab them in the back? Personally, I can't stand unions today. I understand their historical importance, but I'd rather government step in and raise minimum wages and working conditions since the unions don't represent all workers and they tend to overreach. > > I have to obey the law, you have to obey the law, why should the illegal > > immigrants be exempt? > > They're not. When they're caught, they're deported. Simple as that. Horseshit. In this state, the police are not allowed to ask them about their nationality or proof of citizenship, and the state issues drivers licences that state "IDENTITY NOT VERIFIED." > Unlike Dennis, I don't obey the law all the time. I jaywalk when I > feel like it. I speed, a lot. I even urinate in public from time to > time and there are a host of other laws that I'm ready and willing to > violate in the right circumstances. But because cops aren't around > 24/7, I usually get away with it. Why should illegals be treated any > different? I know you think you are being funny, but you'll notice not too many people laughing. > My complaint is that illegals are so afraid of being deported, Then they should come into the US legally or stay the f.ck out. > so afraid of breaking any laws and being noticed by la policia, that they > drive too damn slow. But a few slow drivers are a small price to pay > for cheap fresh strawberries. More bullshit and veneer. > > No mention of the crimes, dope, and toll taken on law enforcement and > > prisons. > > Hardly any different than the legal members of society. Why should > illegals be treated any different? Nothing you mention is a felony. You do know the difference, right? > > How much additional aid do the taxpayers of this country give to Mexico > > every year? > > A lot less than they give to Iraq. Not the question. Answer the question once. Or I'll ask the judge to direct you to answer the question or hold you in contemp. > WTF does Iraq do for our economy? Who cares? Freedom and taking off tyrants in pre-emptive action isnt all about cheap strawberries. What do you propose we do with Iran and Alphabet? Wait till he gets a nuke and stars a nuclear exchange with Israel (that he will surely lose)? The UN and the IEA are absolutely impotent. > They don't pick our strawberries. We can buy our oil from our Saudi > buddies instead, but if we're not growing strawberries on our own > soil, we'll be buying them all from Mexico. At least will illegals > picking them here, some of the money stays here. Very little, if any. > > Do you know any carpenters or families of carpenters whom lost their jobs to > > the people whom exploit illegal immigrants? > > Personally, no. Do you? Sure as hell do, and they are pissed off. The contractor doesnt lower the price, in fact the opposite, he just stuffs it in his pocket. Taxpayers and *legal* workers pick up the slack while the shitbags that exploit illegal immigrant labor get more wealthy. Talk about castles built on sand. And, comparatively, the illegals do sh.t work. > > I though you democrats all stood on the shoulders of unions and such, or are > > you just sucking votes while you stab them in the back? > Personally, I can't stand unions today. Unless they are backing your pet leftist pony. Who is it you think you are fooling? > I understand their historical > importance, but I'd rather government step in and raise minimum wages > and working conditions since the unions don't represent all workers > and they tend to overreach. I hate unions. Only had to join one, and it was a f.cking joke. Got my a.s chewed for picking up a broom and sweeping up an area that was on the verge of being dangerous due to so many chips (metal shavings to you, counselor) and coolant on the floor. Cost me $130 a month, that I had no choice but to pay, and they never did a f.cking thing for me, or anyone I know. All I can see is that the democrats talk sh.t, the union shills hoot and holler in a bunch, just before getting sold out for illegal immigrant labor. >> > I have to obey the law, you have to obey the law, why should the >> > illegal [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > nationality or proof of citizenship, and the state issues drivers licences > that state "IDENTITY NOT VERIFIED." what weird state you live in snip > > They're not. When they're caught, they're deported. Simple as that. > > Horseshit. Here's an example right near you: "The event was well-attended with representation from many communities. At least one attendee alleged that he suffered housing discrimination from his landlord at his apartment complex. This particular speaker signed in as someone who lived at the 2020 Adams St. apartment complex in Shelton, WA that ICE raided a week later. While we do not know the exact details of the ICE operation, the media reported that ICE conducted the raid as part of a long-term investigation of a few tenants who were undocumented and had criminal records. We also have been told that the operation was conducted just weeks after salal harvesting season was over." http://www.hum.wa.gov/LetterToICE.html There you go. > I know you think you are being funny, but you'll notice not too many people > laughing. It's hard to notice people laughing since I can't see them through their monitors. Too bad. The fact is, illegals are just like you and me, except that they were born south of the border. I don't hold that against them if they want to work and I don't consider breaking the law by crossing the border any worse than jaywalking by crossing the street. > > They don't pick our strawberries. We can buy our oil from our Saudi > > buddies instead, but if we're not growing strawberries on our own > > soil, we'll be buying them all from Mexico. At least will illegals > > picking them here, some of the money stays here. > > Very little, if any. Who do you think they're picking the strawberries for? Americans, who profit dearly and spend their money in this country on good old capitalist American things like BMWs and Sony big-screen TVs and all that stuff at Wal-Mart that's made in China by children and prisoners. > Sure as hell do, and they are pissed off. The contractor doesnt lower the > price, in fact the opposite, he just stuffs it in his pocket. So deport the contractors. They're the real evil-doers. The poor Mexicans are just trying to earn a decent living. > Taxpayers and *legal* workers pick up the slack while the shitbags that > exploit illegal immigrant labor get more wealthy. Taxpayers benefit by being able to afford lower-priced housing than if the contractors all had to pay union wages. By being able to afford housing rather than rent, they even save on taxes. They can also afford to buy fresh meat, poultry, and produce at the grocery store thanks to illegal immigrant farm labor, they can afford to eat out occasionally, thanks to illegal immigrant dishwashers, and they can afford to wear clothes that aren't made in China, thanks to illegal immigrant sweat-shop workers. God bless America. > Talk about castles built on sand. That's what you get when you found a country based on immigrants. > And, comparatively, the illegals do sh.t work. Someone has to do it. Since you hate illegals so much, wouldn't you rather have them clean toilets and pick strawberries instead of red- and-blue-blooded Americans like you and me? > All I can see is that the democrats talk sh.t, the union shills hoot and > holler in a bunch, just before getting sold out for illegal immigrant labor. Better that than having their jobs exported completely. At least they can try to compete with the illegals. How do they compete with someone in India? > > > They're not. When they're caught, they're deported. Simple as that. > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > There you go. CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. Any idea at all what salal is used for? It aint food. > > I know you think you are being funny, but you'll notice not too many people > > laughing. > > It's hard to notice people laughing since I can't see them through > their monitors. Too bad. In this same raid, several rapists, mudrers, heroin and meth dealers were also wrapped up. Since you belive so strongly in the bullshit you spew, perhaps you would be so magnanimous to provide their defense for free. Or would you prefer that be at the legal taxpayers expense? How do you think the cops bothered to look at salal gathering? Any idea what salal is or what it is used for? Any idea why a local business would buy it illegally? > The fact is, illegals are just like you and me, except that they were > born south of the border. I don't hold that against them if they want > to work and I don't consider breaking the law by crossing the border > any worse than jaywalking by crossing the street. No, they are not like you and me. I was born here of anscestry that goes back to the 1400's. Me and mine have worked and paid taxes for better than 600 years. Mine didnt hop the fence, they filed the paperwork, did their time and came here *legally*. > > > They don't pick our strawberries. We can buy our oil from our Saudi > > > buddies instead, but if we're not growing strawberries on our own [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > capitalist American things like BMWs and Sony big-screen TVs and all > that stuff at Wal-Mart that's made in China by children and prisoners. I dont buy any of that sh.t, and you use it to subvert the law and the overwhelming will of law abiding Americans and Legal immigrants. You are full of sh.t, Greg. > > Sure as hell do, and they are pissed off. The contractor doesnt lower the > > price, in fact the opposite, he just stuffs it in his pocket. > > So deport the contractors. They're the real evil-doers. The poor > Mexicans are just trying to earn a decent living. We been saying all along. I guess that would include you. You 1099 your house help last year? > > Taxpayers and *legal* workers pick up the slack while the shitbags that > > exploit illegal immigrant labor get more wealthy. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > afford to wear clothes that aren't made in China, thanks to illegal > immigrant sweat-shop workers. God bless America. What a crock of sh.t. No one buys what you are selling, Greg. Lies. > > Talk about castles built on sand. > > That's what you get when you found a country based on immigrants. *LEGAL* immigrants. How does that escape you? You are supposed to be, and put yourself out, as a smart guy. > > And, comparatively, the illegals do sh.t work. > > Someone has to do it. OK, you buy or sell a house made with sh.t work. News flash! Some people in this nation know the difference, and dont want to buy. > Since you hate illegals so much, wouldn't you > rather have them clean toilets and pick strawberries instead of red- > and-blue-blooded Americans like you and me? You hire sh.t labor and sell the product. Apparently you have no pride in your self, your nation, your brethren, or the product you sell. You are nothing more than a pimp looking for the cheapest whore. > > All I can see is that the democrats talk sh.t, the union shills hoot and > > holler in a bunch, just before getting sold out for illegal immigrant labor. > > Better that than having their jobs exported completely. At least they > can try to compete with the illegals. How do they compete with > someone in India? It isnt competetition, as many business' have recently learned. Americans just dump them. And other f.cking jackoffs exploit them. Pick a side. >> > > They're not. When they're caught, they're deported. Simple as that. >> > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > It aint food. it is actually makes a very nice jam and my Aunt does a nice crumble with it snip > > Any idea at all what salal is used for? > > > It aint food. > > it is actually makes a very nice jam and my Aunt does a nice crumble with it Apparently in the Pacific Northwest, it's primarily harvested for floral arrangements. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salal > > > Any idea at all what salal is used for? > > > It aint food. > > it is actually makes a very nice jam and my Aunt does a nice crumble with it Shut the f.ck up, moron. No one here is making jam from the sh.t, we have blackberries, blueberries, huckleberries and strawberries (that we pick ourselves). > Apparently in the Pacific Northwest, it's primarily harvested for > floral arrangements. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salal Bingo. Floral arrangements are sure worth the local cost to law enforcement, hospitals and tax payers. Man, how would all those funeral arrangements go off with no salal? Or, better yet, how would the florists survive without illegal immigrant labor and cheap salal? You know, work lazy Americans wont do for the wages florists want to pay? > Floral arrangements are sure worth the local cost to law enforcement, > hospitals and tax payers. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You know, work lazy Americans wont do for the wages florists want to pay? "But the floral market loves salal because the wilt-resistant, leathery 2- to 4-inch-long leaves keep their color for months in cold storage (salal, grasses, moss and huckleberry bushes are at least a $235-million-a-year wholesale market in Washington)." http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=salal+harvest+washington&fr=my-vert- web-top&u=www.heraldnet.com/stories/06/10/07/100out_f2wootton001.cfm&w=salal+har vest+washington&d=Uk8x2-rnOpoO&icp=1&.intl=us > > Floral arrangements are sure worth the local cost to law enforcement, > > hospitals and tax payers. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > storage (salal, grasses, moss and huckleberry bushes are at least a > $235-million-a-year wholesale market in Washington)." http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=salal+harvest+washington&fr=my-vert- web-top&u=www.heraldnet.com/stories/06/10/07/100out_f2wootton001.cfm&w=salal+har vest+washington&d=Uk8x2-rnOpoO&icp=1&.intl=us Thanks for making my point. >> > > Any idea at all what salal is used for? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Shut the f.ck up, moron. Hey Scott you made the statement that Salal ain't (sic) I just pointed out you stupidity in making that statement snip > I was born here of anscestry that goes back to the 1400's. > > Me and mine have worked and paid taxes for better than 600 years. > > Mine didnt hop the fence, they filed the paperwork, did their time and came > here *legally*. So, what paperwork did they fill out in the 1400s? To whom were they paying taxes in 1407 (2007-600=1407)? > > I was born here of anscestry that goes back to the 1400's. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > So, what paperwork did they fill out in the 1400s? To whom were they > paying taxes in 1407 (2007-600=1407)? Columbus's distant uncle (a Viking) had come over on a scouting mission and set up a little kiosk on what would later be called Manhattan. Historians overlooked his contribution and gave all the credit to young Chris. JF > > > I was born here of anscestry that goes back to the 1400's. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > JF Damn liberal revisionist historians! gc > Any idea at all what salal is used for? > > It aint food. Like dechucka says, sure it is. It's also used in floral arrangements. Very scary berries. > In this same raid, several rapists, mudrers, heroin and meth dealers were > also wrapped up. That's about 50% of the population in that part of the state. Why should illegals be any different? > Or would you prefer that be at the legal taxpayers expense? All the American criminals get their defense at the legal and illegal taxpayers expense. Why should illegals be treated any different? > How do you think the cops bothered to look at salal gathering? > > Any idea what salal is or what it is used for? > > Any idea why a local business would buy it illegally? Obviously you have some nefarious purpose in mind. The only thing I could dig up was: "Glass bottles, furniture, wire, cardboard, waste paper, recycled clothing, beer, bottled water, PVC tubing, blueberries, salal, steel, mushrooms, even chilled fish -- if it crosses the border, smugglers have attempted to use it to conceal shipments of marijuana." But that would make salal no less evil than blueberries. > > The fact is, illegals are just like you and me, except that they were > > born south of the border. I don't hold that against them if they want [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I was born here of anscestry that goes back to the 1400's. I thought the pilgrims didn't arrive until 1620. Are you Spanish? That's no better than being a Mexican. > Me and mine have worked and paid taxes for better than 600 years. George already called that bullshit what it is. Any taxes your ancestry paid prior to 1776 were paid to the British. That would make them traitors in the eyes of good Americans like myself. The Mexicans owned a good part of the southwest through the 1800s and they have better claim to it than your family. > Mine didnt hop the fence, they filed the paperwork, did their time and came > here *legally*. So did the Mexicans. They filed their paperwork back in 1400 when Spaniards were raping and enslaving Indians, and again in the 1800s when the U.S. forced them off their lands. I thought you said you were part Jewish. Which of your Jewish ancestors came here in 1400, when they were being burnt at the stake back in Europe? > I dont buy any of that sh.t, and you use it to subvert the law and the > overwhelming will of law abiding Americans and Legal immigrants. > > You are full of sh.t, Greg. I use Wal-Mart to subvert the law? I don't even shop there. The fact is that most Americans use products that aren't made here. The Mexican "problem" is a drop in the bucket compared to the real problem of our trade deficit, exported jobs, and wage gap. But it's nice smoke to blow around to confuse people who are easily confused. Get them all riled about about them damn Mexicans taking over all our dishwashing jobs so we can forget about the real problems and do our Wal-Mart shopping with clear consciences. > You 1099 your house help last year? I never gave 1099s to my white American house help. > > Taxpayers benefit by being able to afford lower-priced housing than if > > the contractors all had to pay union wages. By being able to afford [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Lies. Lies? How so? Are you disagreeing that a very large proportion of restaurant menial workers, meat and poultry processors, produce pickers, and garment industry employees are illegal immigrants? That would be a lie, since it's a fact that they are. If you claim that they're underpaid, then obviously we would have to pay more to get real Americans like you working these jobs. If we have to pay more, wouldn't the services and products cost more? It's not a lie, it's a no-brainer. > > That's what you get when you found a country based on immigrants. > > *LEGAL* immigrants. > > How does that escape you? So give amnesty to them. Then they'll be legal. No problem. Legal vs. illegal is only a matter of whatever laws are in place. In the good old days, America relied on cheap immigrant labor. Today, America relies on cheap immigrant labor. There's no difference. > OK, you buy or sell a house made with sh.t work. > > News flash! > > Some people in this nation know the difference, and dont want to buy. Then let them rent. You're somehow equating illegals with sh.t work. That's hardly the case. Our auto industry didn't take a back seat to Japan because of illegals screwing up the assembly lines in Michigan. It's lazy American sh.t work that put us in the position of having to rely on illegals to get anything decent done around here. > You hire sh.t labor and sell the product. Apparently you have no pride in > your self, your nation, your brethren, or the product you sell. That's quite a leap. I have plenty of pride in myself. I don't have much pride in the lazy Americans who demand to get overpaid for sh.t work. I certainly don't have much pride in our nation right now after the sh.t that's been done in the name of the Bush Administration. It's actually pretty embarrassing. It's likely that the products I sell are in large part produced by illegal immigrant labor because they are American farm products and American farms would be extinct were it not for heavy government subsidies and the reliance on lots of cheap illegal labor. > You are nothing more than a pimp looking for the cheapest whore. I'm merely a realist, without blinders for glasses. > That's about 50% of the population in that part of the state. Why > should illegals be any different? There's that bigotry that defines you. > > Or would you prefer that be at the legal taxpayers expense? > > All the American criminals get their defense at the legal and illegal > taxpayers expense. Why should illegals be treated any different? Mouthful. > > How do you think the cops bothered to look at salal gathering? > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > shipments of marijuana." But that would make salal no less evil than > blueberries. Typical mis-redirection. Answer the questions. > > > The fact is, illegals are just like you and me, except that they were > > > born south of the border. I don't hold that against them if they want [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I thought the pilgrims didn't arrive until 1620. Are you Spanish? > That's no better than being a Mexican. Swedish, Polish, Irish and German. Pilgrims werent the first Europeans to come here. > > Me and mine have worked and paid taxes for better than 600 years. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > owned a good part of the southwest through the 1800s and they have > better claim to it than your family. They sold it, and then lost it in a war. Such is history. I guess you wont mind letting a Mexican family move into your house then. > > Mine didnt hop the fence, they filed the paperwork, did their time and came > > here *legally*. > > So did the Mexicans. They filed their paperwork back in 1400 when > Spaniards were raping and enslaving Indians, and again in the 1800s > when the U.S. forced them off their lands. > I thought you said you were part Jewish. Which of your Jewish > ancestors came here in 1400, when they were being burnt at the stake > back in Europe? German and Polish Jew, I was raised as a Lutheran. No, I dont go to church. > > I dont buy any of that sh.t, and you use it to subvert the law and the > > overwhelming will of law abiding Americans and Legal immigrants. > > > > You are full of sh.t, Greg. <chop irrelevant bullshit> > > > That's what you get when you found a country based on immigrants. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > So give amnesty to them. No. > Then they'll be legal. No problem. Legal > vs. illegal is only a matter of whatever laws are in place. In the > good old days, America relied on cheap immigrant labor. Today, > America relies on cheap immigrant labor. There's no difference. I am sure you believe that. Why dont you shop at Walmart? > > OK, you buy or sell a house made with sh.t work. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Then let them rent. Let them choose not to buy an overpriced piece of sh.t made with illegaly exploited labor. > You're somehow equating illegals with sh.t work. I guess you arent in touch with the common labor market, are you. > That's hardly the > case. Our auto industry didn't take a back seat to Japan because of > illegals screwing up the assembly lines in Michigan. That would be the Unions you democrats embrace. > It's lazy > American sh.t work that put us in the position of having to rely on > illegals to get anything decent done around here. Which is why you dont shop at Walmart. > > You hire sh.t labor and sell the product. Apparently you have no pride in > > your self, your nation, your brethren, or the product you sell. > > That's quite a leap. I have plenty of pride in myself. I don't have > much pride in the lazy Americans who demand to get overpaid for sh.t > work. That would be the democrats and the unions they whore themselves out to, once again. > I certainly don't have much pride in our nation right now after > the sh.t that's been done in the name of the Bush Administration. Yes, the Clintons sure made us all bust at the seams. And John Kerry, what a peach. > It's actually pretty embarrassing. It's likely that the products I > sell are in large part produced by illegal immigrant labor because > they are American farm products and American farms would be extinct > were it not for heavy government subsidies and the reliance on lots of > cheap illegal labor. Got any farmers in your family or anscestry? It is big corporations and illegal immigrants that have put all but the huge corporate farms out of business. Shall we discuss the poisoned dogs due to imported sh.t from China? > > You are nothing more than a pimp looking for the cheapest whore. > > I'm merely a realist, without blinders for glasses. That couldnt be further from the truth. > > I thought the pilgrims didn't arrive until 1620. Are you Spanish? > > That's no better than being a Mexican. > > Swedish, Polish, Irish and German. > > Pilgrims werent the first Europeans to come here. "The history of Swedish emigration to America goes further back in time than that of the United States. Swedes started to come in 1638, just eighteen years after the landing of the "MAYFLOWER." http://www.americanwest.com/swedemigr/pages/emigra.htm "While the first Polish immigrants arrived in America in 1608 at Jamestown, Virginia, the largest wave of Polish immigration to America occurred in the early 20th century." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_American "Irish Catholics have been migrating to the US in steady numbers even before the revolution, some as domestic servants or as a result of penal deportations but their numbers increased immensely by the 1820s when mostly males became involved in canal building, lumbering and civil construction works in the Northeast. . . . The primary origin of this large population is centered around a quarter of a million Scots- Irish who fled the economic distress and social upheaval. They emigrated to America primarily before 1776 as subjects of the British Empire moving from one region to another." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American "Americans of German descent live in nearly every American county, they have been here for 400 years, from the East Coast, where the first German settlers arrived in the 1600s, to the West Coast and in all the states in between." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American That hardly gets you back 600 years. Try again. > They sold it, and then lost it in a war. Such is history. > > I guess you wont mind letting a Mexican family move into your house then. I had a Mexican family next door for a while. A lot friendlier than the white people who live there now. If I were forced to share my house with an ugly White American versus a friendly Illegal Mexican, I'd choose the Mexican. > > So give amnesty to them. > > No. Why not? Then they'll be legal and we'll have nothing to argue about. > Why dont you shop at Walmart? Too crowded. > Let them choose not to buy an overpriced piece of sh.t made with illegaly > exploited labor. Prefab mobile homes instead? That works for some. I prefer to have walls that don't blow down in the next hurricane (not that we get hurricanes out here, but you never know with global warming). > I guess you arent in touch with the common labor market, are you. I guess not. I barely employ 50. > That would be the Unions you democrats embrace. But workers weren't too happy before the unions. Do you care more about the worker or the consumer? > > It's lazy > > American sh.t work that put us in the position of having to rely on > > illegals to get anything decent done around here. > > Which is why you dont shop at Walmart. Too crowded. > Got any farmers in your family or anscestry? Don't we all? > It is big corporations and illegal immigrants that have put all but the huge > corporate farms out of business. When we ran out of slaves, then ex-slaves, then American migrant labor (Great Depression okies) we had to start importing them. But American has always relied on exploitation of cheap labor. Nowadays China does it better. We have too many liberal bleeding hearts like me whining about the poor workers, while China gets away with forced child and political-prisoner labor. In Vietnam, Reebok can beat their workers when they don't make the shoes just right. Am I allowed to beat my employees even when they come in late? Heck no. That's why this country is rapidly decaying. No discipline. > Shall we discuss the poisoned dogs due to imported sh.t from China? I still can't figure out why we buy pet food from a country that eats pets. You won't hear any argument from me on the subject of China, except that I feel it's a much larger problem than the "illegal" issue. Top posted on purpose; Sorry your ignorance has to be verified by a quick check of the net, which, as normal, is bereft of the truth. If you want to know the truth, come to my home I will show you artifacts and photographs. Columbus was lost, and the Pilgrims had a destination provided by whom? The more you try to act like you know or give a sh.t the more your a.s hangs out. > > > I thought the pilgrims didn't arrive until 1620. Are you Spanish? > > > That's no better than being a Mexican. [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > except that I feel it's a much larger problem than the "illegal" > issue. > Top posted on purpose; > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The more you try to act like you know or give a sh.t the more your a.s hangs > out. Still trying to figure out how your family was in the U.S. and paying taxes to the U.S. in 1407? Certainly would be interested to see your photographic evidence. Could you post that to the Web some place? gc > Then they'll be legal. No problem. Legal > vs. illegal is only a matter of whatever laws are in place. How profound. Thank you Captain Obvious. > > Then they'll be legal. No problem. Legal > > vs. illegal is only a matter of whatever laws are in place. > > How profound. Thank you Captain Obvious. *_The Haircut_* One day a florist goes to a barber for a haircut. After the cut he asked about his bill and the barber replies: 'I'm sorry, I cannot accept money from you; I'm doing community service this week.' The florist is pleased and leaves the shop. Next morning when the barber goes to open his shop, there is a thank you card and a dozen roses waiting for him at his door. Later, a cop comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his bill the barber again replies: 'I'm sorry, I cannot accept money from you; I'm doing community service this week.' The cop is happy and leaves the shop. Next morning when the barber goes to open up there is a thank you card and a dozen donuts waiting for him at his door. Later a Republican comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his bill the barber again replies: 'I'm sorry, I cannot accept money from you; I'm doing community service this week.' The Republican is very happy and leaves the shop. Next morning when the barber goes to open, there is a thank you card and a gift certificate for lunch at a nearby restaurant. Then a Democrat comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his bill the barber again replies: 'I'm sorry, I cannot accept money from you; I'm doing community service this week.' The Democrat is very happy and leaves the shop. The next morning when the barber goes to open up, there are a dozen Democrats lined up waiting for a free haircut. And that, my friends, illustrates the fundamental difference between left and right. "The UN and the IEA are absolutely impotent." While you guys have done wonders to eradicate terrorism in Irak. Oooops.... Cheers, Froggy > "The UN and the IEA are absolutely impotent." > > While you guys have done wonders to eradicate terrorism in Irak. > > Oooops.... Only because Grummy isn't in charge....... >> "The UN and the IEA are absolutely impotent." >> >> While you guys have done wonders to eradicate terrorism in Irak. >> >> Oooops.... Unlike France who has done . . . Nevermind. > Only because Grummy isn't in charge....... Grummy for President. > Grummy for President. After much consideration, I hereby accept the nomination... I hereby promise that one of my first acts will be to bring home our troups by Ramadan... This will allow Ramadan to become a celebration of our winning the battle against the camel fuckin' Bedouin terrorists since they will all be radioactive slag at that time... On the glass field that was once Mecca, I will support Sonny's BBQ in establishing a restaurant there that will only serve BBQ pork since it is an appropriate food for that area... Their customer base might be a bit off for a few years, but I suspect that the tourist trade will pick up quickly enough once people realize that the terrorist threat has been completely eliminated and can come to realize the beauty in a desolate nuclear blasted landscape... I will also encourage legislation to ban rap / hip-hop 'music' and make it a penalty worthy of 40 lashes if a guy wears his pants so low on his hips that the crotch is near his knees... > > Grummy for President. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > make it a penalty worthy of 40 lashes if a guy wears his pants so low > on his hips that the crotch is near his knees... Caneing. Radioactive slag; I love it. > Caneing. > > Radioactive slag; > > I love it. Actually, I was thinking more giving 'em a taste of the Captain's Daughter... > > Caneing. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Actually, I was thinking more giving 'em a taste of the Captain's > Daughter... Kiss the Baby? Wog? >> Grummy for President. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > make it a penalty worthy of 40 lashes if a guy wears his pants so low > on his hips that the crotch is near his knees... You've got my vote if you can figure out a way to make the liberals pay for the bombs. Lee > You've got my vote if you can figure out a way to make the liberals pay for > the bombs. We already own them. > You've got my vote if you can figure out a way to make the liberals pay for > the bombs. Awh, nukes are comparatively cheap... Plus, we need a bit of inventory turnover every once in awhile to ensure that we always have the latest and greatest in stock... >> You've got my vote if you can figure out a way to make the liberals pay >> for >> the bombs. > Awh, nukes are comparatively cheap... Plus, we need a bit of inventory > turnover every once in awhile to ensure that we always have the latest > and greatest in stock... No political weaseling now. The liberals have made us pay for everything for everybody for a long time. Turnabout is fair play. > No political weaseling now. The liberals have made us pay for everything for > everybody for a long time. Turnabout is fair play. Maybe we can just send them all over there as forward observers? > "The UN and the IEA are absolutely impotent." > > While you guys have done wonders to eradicate terrorism in Irak. It's Iraq, you illiterate f.ck. > Oooops.... > > Cheers, f.ck you and the men that bent over to subjugate your nation to the Nazis. > Froggy Illustrative how you blame that on the US. You know, the nation that made and keeps you free. Punk. > > "The UN and the IEA are absolutely impotent." > > > While you guys have done wonders to eradicate terrorism in Irak. > > It's Iraq, you illiterate f.ck. Whatever, actually it's a bunch of mangled noodles, the wrong way to top it all. It's not like it's really important, the country ain't gonna last more than a couple years at this rate anyway. Out of curiosity, how are you going to call the part you intend to keep (if any) ? > f.ck you and the men that bent over to subjugate your nation to the Nazis. Glad to see you too, nice to see that some things don't change. Where's Popeye? Not in Irak, I sincerely hope. Things getting worse by the day, now it's *really* dangerous. > You know, the nation that made and keeps you free. I'm not Iraqi, you must be mistaken. Cheers, Froggy Doing fine, what about you? Actually my July's new year resolution is to try and stay on-topic, just wanted to touch base. Cheers, Froggy > Doing fine, what about you? > > Actually my July's new year resolution is to try and stay on-topic, Yeah, Bon Chance. > just wanted to touch base. Glad you're well. > Cheers, > > Froggy  Signature"I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com On Jul 13, 11:42 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > Doing fine, what about you? > > > Actually my July's new year resolution is to try and stay on-topic, > > Yeah, Bon Chance. You mean bonne chance? JF > On Jul 13, 11:42 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You mean bonne chance? Yeah, that's what I said. As usual, nobody else had a problem with it. Did you find any examples of those edited signatures yet, Mr. Spellcheck? > JF Signature"I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com On Jul 13, 12:44 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > On Jul 13, 11:42 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Yeah, that's what I said. Not really. We all knew that you were trying for urbane sophistication but your French fluency is wanting. Point of fact, and I'll defer to any french speakers here, but I believe there's an idiom for this particular application with just the right scatological content to be admirably suited to rec.scuba. It's actually used in the ballet world but it's too good to pass up for our little group. Besides, isn't it pointless to try for patronization when speaking to any true Frenchman? They are the acknowledged global masters of condescension. > As usual, nobody else had a problem with it. Or no one cared enough to notice. > Did you find any examples of those edited signatures yet, Mr. Spellcheck? As always my aged memory fails me and I know not whereof you speak. Enlighten me as to the edited signatures. JF > On Jul 13, 12:44 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Not really. Yes actually. I'd challenge you to a bet, but, you've scurried enough this summer. >We all knew that you were trying for urbane sophistication That's me, alright, Rec.scuba's Urbane Sophisticate. What a dick. > but your French fluency is wanting. That was a compliment, right? I already speak the only important language, and, better than you do. >Point of fact, and I'll defer to > any french speakers here, but I believe there's an idiom for this [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Or no one cared enough to notice. Only the appropriate leg humper. >> Did you find any examples of those edited signatures yet, Mr. >> Spellcheck? > > As always my aged memory fails me and I know not whereof you speak. You're a liar. > Enlighten me as to the edited signatures. I only posted your false accusation and slimy Canadian innuendo seven days in a row. But it's a easy one, and I'll put it in another thread. > JF Signature"I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com On Jul 14, 2:05 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > On Jul 13, 12:44 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > I only posted your false accusation and slimy Canadian innuendo seven days > in a row. You post so much nonsense, keeping your posts sorted out is like picking flyshit from pepper. JF On Jul 14, 2:05 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > On Jul 13, 12:44 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > I'd challenge you to a bet, but, you've scurried enough this summer. Are you saying yer gonna rewrite the French language? > >We all knew that you were trying for urbane sophistication > > That's me, alright, Rec.scuba's Urbane Sophisticate. > > What a dick. I didn't say that, but if you insist. > > but your French fluency is wanting. > > That was a compliment, right? To some I'm sure. > I already speak the only important language, and, better than you do. Arguably, but I haven't had as much time in redneck country as you. > >Point of fact, and I'll defer to > > any french speakers here, but I believe there's an idiom for this [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Only the appropriate leg humper. Ah, you caught it yerself? > >> Did you find any examples of those edited signatures yet, Mr. > >> Spellcheck? > > > As always my aged memory fails me and I know not whereof you speak. > > You're a liar. You're deluded, but your pleasant disposition makes it hard to be too critical. > > Enlighten me as to the edited signatures. > > I only posted your false accusation and slimy Canadian innuendo seven days > in a row. You have been rather intransigent. > But it's a easy one, and I'll put it in another thread. Thanks. JF > Out of curiosity, how are you going to call the part you intend to > keep (if any) ? You mean like we kept part of Germany, France and Italy? Oops, we didn't keep anything. Must have been some other reason for being there, ya think? > "The UN and the IEA are absolutely impotent." > > While you guys have done wonders to eradicate terrorism in Irak. Just ask Saddam and his sons. That Moussoui dude and around 5000 others (that we admit to). Speak real loud. > Oooops.... No doubt. You guys can't even control your own country, I don't know why you bother bringing up Iraq. How many days did that nationwide car burning Muslim youth riot continue unabated? > Cheers, > > Froggy How ya been, Mitch? Signature"I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com > > I have to obey the law, you have to obey the law, why should the illegal > > immigrants be exempt? > > They're not. When they're caught, they're deported. Simple as that. No, they're not. Ever hear of "catch-and-release"? Dennis I friend is in charge of indigent services at Brackenridge here in Austin (run by Seton Hospitals). She says they spend about $3.50 for illegals for every $2 they spend on citizens. >1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each >year. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml > Signaturedillon Broadway Photo sucks. Ask me why. > 1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each > year. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ". > http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml Have any studies addressed the cost of giving them legal status? Fact is... we will never have a livable min wage until the wetbacks stop taking the jobs for less than a citizen will. And as long as there are wetbacks willing to work for less, employers will be firing the citizens and replacing them with wetback labor. And as for crime... There have been many news reports of the gangs (MS13 being just one) that have been coming over from Mexico to expand their drug business! Google drunk driving deaths and read how many are done by illegal Mexicans that have been caught and deported over and over again. Drunk driving and beating up your wife no big deal in Mexico... how can you except them to not do it when they squat here? |
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