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George Cathcart - 02 Jul 2007 02:40 GMT
So I got to be on the Oscar feeding team again today, and it was fun
as always, even though he wasn't hungry.

Jenny, the newest member of the Sunday A Dive Team at the National
Aquarium in Baltimore, had not yet had a chance to feed Oscar, the
newest resident of the Atlantic Coral Reef exhibit.

The protocol for feeding Oscar, who happens to be a four-foot green
moray, is for two divers to locate him and offer him food. One diver
impales a morsel, usually a large smelt, on a stiff nylon nail at the
end of a PVC stick. The other diver is the bag man. The rest of the
eel's meal, usually a squid, a half a mackerel, maybe a herring and a
few more smelt, is carried in a black canvas bag with a mesh bottom.

The Oscar divers enter the water first and go hunt for the eel. When
we first got Oscar, back in March, that was easy. He pretty much
stayed put in a large cave with several outlets. Once he figured out
that there was nothing else in the tank that was going to harm him, he
started roaming free around the tank, to the delight of the aquarium's
visitors. Finding Oscar became a challenge. There are lots of suitable
moray holes around the tank, and he was trying them all out, but
sometimes he would surprise us and wait right at the platform. He
likes to come up on the feeding diver from behind. Once he settled on
a divers head and wrapped himself up like a turban. Maybe his name
should be Omar.

Anyway, he finally settled on the longest, darkest swimthrough in the
tank, a place we love to cruise through. It has three entrances at
ground level, and one vertical  escape route, and that seemed just
fine for Oscar. He found a large standing PVC T-fitting to wrap around
and watch for whatever he's watching for.

I suspected that's where he would be today, since that's where he's
been the last three times I've been in the tank. And so he was. I led
Jenny to him. I came around the entrance, and he spotted me
immediately. Usually he's a little wary, waiting to see what's up,
holding back in the shadows. Today, as soon as he saw me, he started
swimming toward me. I backed out slowly, and he followed, his nose
just inches from my mask. I led him out to Jenny, who offered the
smelt-on-a-stick. Oscar ignored it. She offered it again. He swam
around her and ignored it. She gently stuck it between his jaws. He
ignored it.

So I implemented Plan B. I opened the black bag. Oscar loves the black
bag. He immediately stuck his head in and sniffed each piece of food.
And that's all. He ate none of it. He pulled his head out and sniffed
my fingers. That's the time to concentrate. You so much want to tickle
his nose, but you dare not, in case he suddenly develops a craving for
black-gloved human fingers. He sniffed and moved on. Jenny tried
offering him the smelt again. He ignored it, but he stayed in the
area. swimming around us, diving into the bag from time to time, but
still eating nothing.

At least he was out in the open, in the light, where the visitors on
the other side of the four-inch plexiglass could see him. Finally, he
decided they had had their money's worth. He very decidedly turned and
swam back into the cave, clearly done with us. Jenny and I looked at
each other and shrugged and swam away.

I didn't talk to the team that tried to feed him in the afternoon to
find out if he ate then. He only eats every few days anyway, so nobody
gets too upset if he doesn't. There are plenty of other fish to eat it
for him, like the groupers and the yellowtails, the scrawled filefish
and the spadefish and lookdowns. Nobody goes hungry.

On my other dives today, I fed the male southern stingrays and
bullnose rays, and the spiny butterfly ray that flaps insanely in
front of you, then lays flat and waits for you to hold a smelt at the
end of your fingers, flat on the bottom, up against the outer edges of
his pectoral. When he's ready, and usually when you're not, he slaps
the smelt out of your hand with his pectoral, glides over it and eats
it.

I finished the day with my favorite activity, stoning the surgeonfish
in the reef exhibit.  More about this another time.

Back to the aquarium on Wednesday, when I'm subbing for someone who
must want to spend the holiday with his family. I love it when that
happens.

gc
George Price and Sheree Price - 02 Jul 2007 04:21 GMT
George,
Do they do "guest" dives as The Living seas does at Disney World?  We're
doing a "historic trail" thing in July, and I know Baltimore isn't to far
away.  Just a thought.
George
> So I got to be on the Oscar feeding team again today, and it was fun
> as always, even though he wasn't hungry.
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>
> gc
George Cathcart - 02 Jul 2007 12:15 GMT
On Jul 1, 11:21 pm, "George Price and Sheree Price"
<gpri...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> George,
> Do they do "guest" dives as The Living seas does at Disney World?  We're
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>
> > gc

No, we don't have a program like Living Seas. We have occasionally
raffled off guest dives through local dive clubs to raise money for
the dive program, and raffle tickets go pretty well. One of the most
common questions we get is how do you get to be an NAIB diver. Pretty
simple: fill out application on line, come to the written test when
notified. Score high enough on that and come to pool test and
interview. If you score high enough there, you wait to be assigned to
a team and then go through an apprentice period of a couple of
months.

The system is much more efficient than it used to be. When I
qualified, it was a full year from the time I passed everything until
I was assigned to a team and then started my apprenticeship. Now, we
have just finished apprenticing two new divers who took the written
test last January.

Oh, yeah, we also now require all divers to have a minimum AOW cert
and 30 logged dives, as well as a dive physical. And all are required
to take DAN first aid for the pro diver, which includes CPR, AED, O-2,
hazardous marine life. OSHA and lawyers tend to dictate some things
that seem silly since the deepest point in any of our tanks is 17
feet. But to live in the mid-Atlantic and be able to dive locally
every other week (and more) all year round, it's worth it. We get free
parking, too.

gc
Dan Bracuk - 02 Jul 2007 13:13 GMT
George Cathcart <george.cathcart@gmail.com> pounded away at his
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:So I got to be on the Oscar feeding team again today, and it was fun
:as always, even though he wasn't hungry.

Sounds like fun.  Thank you for the well written post.  And thank you
to Oscar for leaving you with enough fingers to type it.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
George Cathcart - 02 Jul 2007 13:43 GMT
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Thanks Dan. And I will pass your thanks on to Oscar. He's a
sweetheart, really, and I think we have nothing to fear as long as we
don't make our fingers look like fish in front of him. We're not
allowed to touch him, but yesterday, as we turned away and returned to
his lair, he swam by me pulling the whole length of his body along my
hand. I don't think there's a rule about him not touching us...

gc
Lee Bell - 02 Jul 2007 13:59 GMT
> Thanks Dan. And I will pass your thanks on to Oscar. He's a
> sweetheart, really, and I think we have nothing to fear as long as we
> don't make our fingers look like fish in front of him. We're not
> allowed to touch him, but yesterday, as we turned away and returned to
> his lair, he swam by me pulling the whole length of his body along my
> hand. I don't think there's a rule about him not touching us...

Moray eels have notoriously bad eyesight. They tend to hunt more by smell
than by sight. It's not enough to ensure your hands do not look like food.
You must also make sure they don't smell like food.

I suggest the rule applied on some of the liveaboard boats that still feed
sharks. One person prepared the food, another enters the water and does the
feeding. One Blackbeard's DM didn't follow this rule which is presumed to be
the reason he got bit. He prepared the food and, in the process, wiped his
hands on the thigh of his wetsuit. He thought to wash his hands before
entering the water, but did not think about his wetsuit. After the feeding,
done with the aid of a pole spear, while he was feeding a resident moray,
one of the sharks came up from behind and bit him right where he had wiped
his hands. He was airlifted back to the US for treatment.

Lee
JOF - 02 Jul 2007 15:39 GMT
> Moray eels have notoriously bad eyesight. They tend to hunt more by smell
> than by sight. It's not enough to ensure your hands do not look like food.
> You must also make sure they don't smell like food.

This thread reminded me of an encounter I had a few years ago off Key
Largo. I might have even posted a few pics online once upon a time. I
swam down into a sandy bottomed bowl surrounded by coral and was
peering into an undercut because I thought I saw movement. Sure
enough, a Green Moray poked his head out. I just hovered off the
bottom. I remember describing it later as kind of surreal, like
something from an early 3d movie, as he undulated casually directly at
my mask. In any case I didn't move, remembering to ball my fingers
into fists, just in case they might ressemble something yummy. He came
right up to my mask, then poked his head down to my right where he
started foraging in my BCD pocket, evidently looking for food. BTW.
I'd already been told about him by the guys on the boat so I had an
idea what to expect. Then he swam around my back and rummaged in my
left pocket. At one point he had completely encircled me with his
body. I looked up at the top of the reef to see if Jeff was taking
pics, but all he and my wife were doing was make freaked out gestures
that they later told me meant "Look out, you idiot!" as if I hadn't
noticed the green sea monster sizing me up as lunch. In any case he
lost interest when he realized I had no food (or smell of food) and
wormed his way back into his little grotto.

Back on the boat I described him for the boat guys and they told me
his name which might have been Psycho. That same day we also
encountered a relatively playful Barracuda which one of the boat guys
played with for a while and I thought he was the one named Psycho but
my aging memory plays tricks on me. One of the critters was called
Psycho and one had a more pedestrian name like Ronnie or Harvey or
some such. The discussion on the boat took an unsettling turn for me
when one of the paying customers asked if it wasn't dangerous letting
a big Moray get that close. Boat Guy One said "Nah. Old Whatever-his-
name-was loves divers." Boat Guy Two piped up with "I dunno about
that! See this notch out of my ear? That was him." and he really did
have a chunk out of his ear. But since that guy (Brian) was leaving
the next day to go shark diving in the Red Sea I figured the nip
hadn't been too unsettling.

We have a few pics of Ronnie/Psycho that Jeff got after he realized
the monster wasn't going to drag me into his lair. Unfortunately none
of them have him wrapped around me, though they do show him just a few
feet away as he departed. It was a fun experience.

JF
Greg Mossman - 02 Jul 2007 16:14 GMT
> > Thanks Dan. And I will pass your thanks on to Oscar. He's a
> > sweetheart, really, and I think we have nothing to fear as long as we
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> than by sight. It's not enough to ensure your hands do not look like food.
> You must also make sure they don't smell like food.

They love octopus, or so I've been told.  If you handle an octopus,
accidentally or on purpose, it's best not to get your fingers near any
cracks in the reef.

We're pretty sure Janna wouldn't have been bit that day had the DM not
previously passed her a pillow star to fondle.  I wonder if
deliberately inflicting a fishy smell on innocent divers' hands in an
area known for copious vicious morays might constitute gross
negligence?
Dan Bracuk - 02 Jul 2007 16:23 GMT
Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:

:We're pretty sure Janna wouldn't have been bit that day had the DM not
:previously passed her a pillow star to fondle.  I wonder if
:deliberately inflicting a fishy smell on innocent divers' hands in an
:area known for copious vicious morays might constitute gross
:negligence?

What difference does it make?  It's not as if DMs have enough money to
make them worth suing now, is it?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Greg Mossman - 02 Jul 2007 17:03 GMT
> Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
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> What difference does it make?  It's not as if DMs have enough money to
> make them worth suing now, is it?

Maybe not, but I doubt the dive op hires them without a $1,000,000
insurance policy.
George Cathcart - 02 Jul 2007 17:12 GMT
> > Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> > in:
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> Maybe not, but I doubt the dive op hires them without a $1,000,000
> insurance policy.

Don't the DMs have to carry insurance themselves?

gc
Greg Mossman - 02 Jul 2007 17:26 GMT
> > > Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> > > in:
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>
> Don't the DMs have to carry insurance themselves?

If that's what the employer demands, but it would be awfully nice of
the employer to pick up the tab.  It really depends on the employer-
employee relationship.  A lot of dive ops (try to) structure their
business so that the instructors are independent contractors.  That
makes the instructors responsible for paying for their own insurance,
gear, etc., but then they can write off these expenses on Schedule C
as costs of running their own instruction business.  On this
particular dive boat, however, I would assume that the DMs were acting
as employees of the dive op.
George Cathcart - 02 Jul 2007 17:30 GMT
> > > > Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> > > > in:
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> particular dive boat, however, I would assume that the DMs were acting
> as employees of the dive op.

Right. I was making no judgment as to who pays the premiums. I do know
of some shops/ops who cover the premium but, of course, don't allow
the instructor to practice independently. But either way, the DM or
instructor should be covered. Go for it!

gc
Greg Mossman - 02 Jul 2007 18:54 GMT
> > If that's what the employer demands, but it would be awfully nice of
> > the employer to pick up the tab.  It really depends on the employer-
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> the instructor to practice independently. But either way, the DM or
> instructor should be covered. Go for it!

Nah, we're not those litigious-American types who bitch and moan about
lawyers, then run to the first law office they see when they stub
their toe.  I would sue the eel if we could, but I wouldn't consider
suing the dive op unless there were substantial injuries (missing
digits) and they were more to blame (i.e. if they had a track record
of eel injuries).  Besides, I'd like to use this dive op on a future
visit and it's not good practice to sue the people you like doing
business with.
Lee Bell - 02 Jul 2007 19:15 GMT
Greg Mossman pounded

> :We're pretty sure Janna wouldn't have been bit that day had the DM not
> :previously passed her a pillow star to fondle.  I wonder if
> :deliberately inflicting a fishy smell on innocent divers' hands in an
> :area known for copious vicious morays might constitute gross
> :negligence?

Funny, I thought he didn't want to talk about Janna. Guess I was wrong.
Greg Mossman - 02 Jul 2007 20:58 GMT
> Greg Mossman pounded
>
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>
> Funny, I thought he didn't want to talk about Janna. Guess I was wrong.

You're usually wrong, so that's no surprise.  Obviously I had no
problem talking about Janna since I'm the one who posted about her
mishap in the first place.

What was in poor taste was some scumball a.shole calling her an idiot,
and what was in complete lack of taste were the people supporting said
scumball a.shole's comments.  I had hoped people could learn from the
event and since she had met many here, I figured people who knew her
might be interested, so I posted the facts.  I didn't expect cheap
shots from the cheapest seats, but I should have known that someone
who already lives in the gutter would have no problem stooping so low
as to insult an innocent gravely wounded woman behind her back.
Dan Bracuk - 02 Jul 2007 21:08 GMT
Greg Mossman <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:
:What was in poor taste was some scumball a.shole calling her an idiot,
:and what was in complete lack of taste were the people supporting said
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
:who already lives in the gutter would have no problem stooping so low
:as to insult an innocent gravely wounded woman behind her back.

As long as they don't top post, it's ok though, right?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Greg Mossman - 02 Jul 2007 22:16 GMT
I guess.

> Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
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>
> As long as they don't top post, it's ok though, right?
Chris Guynn - 02 Jul 2007 21:38 GMT
> > Greg Mossman pounded
> >
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> who already lives in the gutter would have no problem stooping so low
> as to insult an innocent gravely wounded woman behind her back.

As far as I can tell, the only real blight against her judgement thus far is
that she hangs out with you.  :-)
Scott - 02 Jul 2007 21:55 GMT
> As far as I can tell, the only real blight against her judgement thus far is
> that she hangs out with you.  :-)

At least my lady isnt stupid enough to wag her fingers at a moray eel.
Greg Mossman - 02 Jul 2007 22:16 GMT
> At least my lady isnt stupid enough to wag her fingers at a moray eel.

She just lives in a trailer with a drunken well-armed idiot who's
prone to violent outburst of rage.  That's a lot more dangerous than
wagging fingers at an eel.  What's the domestic violence rate up that-
a-way?
Chris Guynn - 03 Jul 2007 14:26 GMT
> > As far as I can tell, the only real blight against her judgement thus far
> is
> > that she hangs out with you.  :-)
>
> At least my lady isnt stupid enough to wag her fingers at a moray eel.

You know, I'm pretty sure that we've all done something as stupid as wagging
our fingers at a moray eel at some point in our lives.

I for one think that it's ridiculous that you continue to insult this lady
when she's not even around to defend herself.

It's a free country though, so do what you want.
Scott - 03 Jul 2007 14:34 GMT
> You know, I'm pretty sure that we've all done something as stupid as wagging
> our fingers at a moray eel at some point in our lives.
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>
> It's a free country though, so do what you want.

Hey, if you haven't seen the insults he throws at me and mine, then I don't
know what to tell you.

He asked for, earns and deserves every bit of sh.t he gets from me.
Chris Guynn - 03 Jul 2007 14:51 GMT
> > You know, I'm pretty sure that we've all done something as stupid as
> wagging
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>
> He asked for, earns and deserves every bit of sh.t he gets from me.

I've got no problem with you insulting him (he gives as good as he gets in
that regard), but I don't really think it's right to bring her into it.
YMMV
Scott - 03 Jul 2007 15:03 GMT
> I've got no problem with you insulting him (he gives as good as he gets in
> that regard), but I don't really think it's right to bring her into it.
> YMMV

Perhaps you are right.

He insulted mine plenty, but I guess I should be the better man.

Point taken.
Grumman-581 - 03 Jul 2007 18:23 GMT
> Perhaps you are right.
>
> He insulted mine plenty, but I guess I should be the better man.
>
> Point taken.

Or be more creative with your insults... <evil-grin>
Greg Mossman - 03 Jul 2007 21:15 GMT
> Perhaps you are right.
>
> He insulted mine plenty, but I guess I should be the better man.

Cite?  I once made a drunken crack about her former place of
employment for which I apologized the day after.  That was one
regrettable and apologized-for incident, hardly "plenty".

But good luck with trying to be the better man.  You obviously have a
long way to go.
Grumman-581 - 03 Jul 2007 18:21 GMT
> I've got no problem with you insulting him (he gives as good as he gets in
> that regard), but I don't really think it's right to bring her into it.
> YMMV

It's all in the technique... Calling her an idiot for wanting to pet a
moray eel is not that subtle... Saying that her petting an eel brings
into question her intellect, but that the fact that she was with Greg
already brought that into question anyway results in a better
insult... <evil-grin>
Greg Mossman - 03 Jul 2007 21:20 GMT
> > > You know, I'm pretty sure that we've all done something as stupid as
> > wagging
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> that regard), but I don't really think it's right to bring her into it.
> YMMV

Thanks, Chris.  I actually try to give better than I get, and Janna
laughed off Scott's insult once I described the low life to her, but
it's funny how such a macho Marine type can be so utter lacking in
civility towards women.  I guess the "howdy Ma'am" hat-tipping redneck
is more of a southern/Texan stereotype.  Scott emulates the bad biker
types who pass their women around like beer.
Lee Bell - 03 Jul 2007 16:58 GMT
> I for one think that it's ridiculous that you continue to insult this lady
> when she's not even around to defend herself.

No more ridiculous than Greg bringing it back up after it happened the first
time. Seems pretty much like an invitation to discuss further to me.
Scott - 03 Jul 2007 17:59 GMT
> No more ridiculous than Greg bringing it back up after it happened the first
> time. Seems pretty much like an invitation to discuss further to me.

Nah, it was just another opportunity for him to display his bigotry in all
its technicolor glory .

As to Mrs. Mossman, I will publicly apologize to her.

Mrs. Mossman, I apologize for using your unfortunate incident as a way to
piss on your husband.
Grumman-581 - 03 Jul 2007 18:35 GMT
> As to Mrs. Mossman, I will publicly apologize to her.
>
> Mrs. Mossman, I apologize for using your unfortunate incident as a way to
> piss on your husband.

Good... Now you can get back to the more important things... Like
insulting Greg directly...
Greg Mossman - 03 Jul 2007 21:42 GMT
> Nah, it was just another opportunity for him to display his bigotry in all
> its technicolor glory .

I'm not sure how mentioning her incident in the context of a
discussion on eel bites was a technicolor display of bigotry, unless
you're claiming I'm bigoted against man-eating eels.

> As to Mrs. Mossman, I will publicly apologize to her.
>
> Mrs. Mossman, I apologize for using your unfortunate incident as a way to
> piss on your husband.

Thanks.  That was a good thing to do.
Magilla - 04 Jul 2007 15:27 GMT
from a "Chris Guynn" post.

>> What was in poor taste was some scumball a.shole calling her an idiot,
>> and what was in complete lack of taste were the people supporting said
>> scumball a.shole's comments.

   Wrong again Greg, but not surprised.

   I know that I did not "support" his comments once he clarified his
comments, only "defended" when you immediately assumed he was referring to
Janna when they could well have been generic.  Nor do I recall anyone else
defending or supporting Scott's comments.  Some of us figured that's pretty
much between you two, and that you fished for and got a more direct
response.

Curtis
Grumman-581 - 03 Jul 2007 04:34 GMT
> I didn't expect cheap shots from the cheapest seats,
> but I should have known that someone who already lives
> in the gutter would have no problem stooping so low
> as to insult an innocent gravely wounded woman behind
> her back.

So, how's Lefty doing these days?
Greg Mossman - 03 Jul 2007 05:11 GMT
On Jul 2, 8:34 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com>
wrote:

> > I didn't expect cheap shots from the cheapest seats,
> > but I should have known that someone who already lives
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>
> So, how's Lefty doing these days?

No casualties on the last trip.  I'd take that as a good sign, but
there weren't too many eels where we were diving.  I doubt she'll fare
so well in the Galapagos, what with monster green morays and evil
giant urchins, not to mention fearsome sharks.  That reminds me: note
to self to up her life insurance before we go.
Grumman-581 - 03 Jul 2007 05:27 GMT
> No casualties on the last trip.  I'd take that as a good sign, but
> there weren't too many eels where we were diving.  I doubt she'll fare
> so well in the Galapagos, what with monster green morays and evil
> giant urchins, not to mention fearsome sharks.  That reminds me: note
> to self to up her life insurance before we go.

Oh well... Good luck with her keeping her digits this time... <grin>

Kaitlyn and I got back from the Florida dive trip this evening...
Timed it just right to hit Houston rush hour traffic... Traffic was
moving so slow that one driver got out of his truck, walked around to
the back, opened a cooler, and got a drink out of it... When he got
back in his vehicle, the car in front of him still hadn't moved...

We dove Blue Springs (near Deland, FL) and Jackson Blue Spring (near
Marianna, FL) on the trip back... Interesting thing about Jackson Blue
is that there were probably 20 vultures hanging around on the banks as
we surfaced from going into the cave system (technically, we were only
in the cavern area)... Jackson Blue seemed a bit cooler than Blue
Springs...
 
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