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mag3 - 01 Jul 2007 02:34 GMT
Just returned from this year's "Diving with Dan" adventure in the "Frickin FLorida Keys."
Racked up 17 dives (currently now at 79. But what's more important about this trip was
with whom I was diving. I met & dove with quite a few rec.scuban's for the first time
including (using their "Nom de rec.scuba"):

    Lee Bell
    Dan & Pat Bracuk
    "Cavey" Curtis
    Grumman-581 & Family
    John Hanson

First, a big thanks to Dan and Pat for being such gracious hosts/organizers. I also wish
to say that it was indeed a privilige to have Dan and Pat dive with the group from my
LDS in KL. I have heard that my LDS will be repeating the trip again same way, same
time next year, so perhaps I'll meet more of our SoFl rec.scubans including:

    ESG
    Nitespark
    Limey Dave

    anyone else I missed - or didn't.

The Dives

All the dives went very well. Most were shallow reef dives which gave me a chance to
work on my trim and buoyancy and I am pleased to say I feel a lot better about both.
My next goal there is to be able keep as low as I can while moving without touching
bottom etc. since that's where you get to see all the good marine life etc. Took a
few pictures on the reefs which I'll publish on my website shortly. Will work on my
SAC calculations later, but my best dive in re: gas usage was 01:01hrs, returning with
1430psi in a Steel 95 (rated at 2400psi) (air), depth 20FSW.

Did two deep dives - One each on the Spiegel Grove and the USS Duane. The SG was
fantastic conditions Viz - 70+ with almost no current. We dropped down on the "cranes"
ball near the stern. You could see the cranes themselves from surface. Stayed primarily
around the cranes area (did some swim throughs) at roughly 95fsw. That part of the
wreck is not so full of growth. In fact, the American Flag still shows it's colors. Total time
was 30 min. on Ntrox 32% and returned with 1200psi from a steel 100 (rated at 3000psi).

2nd Deep dive was the USS Duane.  We were scheduled to do the Spiegel Grove again that
morning, but upon arrival, the Captain took one look at the current and said "Not today...."
You know you're in trouble when the mooring buoys are trailing a significant wake.  So we
went over to the Duane. Not as bad a current but still significant. We tried it anyway. We
went down the bow mooring ball line. Had to hold onto it at all times, and let go only upon
reaching the bow itself.  This was my 3rd deepest dive to date at 102FSW. Used quite a bit
more gas (again Nitrox 32 from a steel 100) than before so this was a shorter dive at 20
minutes total time (including the safety stop). But I didn't feel bad as even the instructors
follow me back up shortly. I think we probably shouldn't have done this one either. As it
turned out, upon our return to port, we heard reports over the marine radio of two divers
being lost on the Spiegel Grove. The Coast Guard was on the scene searching for them. At
the end of the day though, we were advised that the divers had been found alive, but adrift 4
miles from the SG. And in a true rarity, on the 2nd trip out (3rd dive that day) we encountered
a fully formed Waterspout eminating from a rather large local super-cell in the distance.
Thankfully, the Captian steered arround it and found us a patch of sunny clear area for diving
in between that and another super cell.

Returned to the "City of Washington" site which gave me "issues" earlier in January. A much
better site without the surge and seas - Actually saw all of the wreck itself, along with the
nurse sharks and barracuda etc. Although that is not to say there was no surge at all on some
of the sites, so I got some good experience with that as well. As is said, with surge, you see
something, and then you see it again, and again! :-)

Had no trouble at all with navigating back to the boats. Appreciate Lee's confidence that he let
me handle that task for us both when we were dive buddies. One nice thing about the FFK's is
the terrain uniqueness and diversity. So it's easier to remember your surroundings when first
descending and be able to navigate out and back. Not that it's perfectly fool proof, and the lack
of viz can be extremely disorrienting. One trick that helped me was using the sun. At times, I
would be swimming along, and all of a sudden it got dark above me quickly. When I'd turn to
look up, lo and behold, there was the boat. I used that a lot and it worked every time. And
thankfully, the Crystal Clear charter boats are marked on the hull so I could tell it was our boat.
I'm amazed those boats only draw about 3-4ft because some of them were very close to
bottom and to the reef formations.

All in all, a great trip and an even greater chance to meet some rec.scuban's face to face. Now
it's back to Dutch to prepare for my NJ ocean wreck dives. I look forward to to January, 2008
when I'll be back in Fl. to do some of the springs with CUrtis and anyone else, and then this
time next year, when I'll be back again in the FFK's (BTW Greg, we voted this in as an FAQ entry). :-)

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
George Cathcart - 01 Jul 2007 03:06 GMT
> Just returned from this year's "Diving with Dan" adventure in the "Frickin FLorida Keys."
> Racked up 17 dives (currently now at 79. But what's more important about this trip was
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>
> Arnold

Good report Arnold.
Greg Mossman - 01 Jul 2007 03:47 GMT
> time next year, so perhaps I'll meet more of our SoFl rec.scubans including:
>
>         ESG
>         Nitespark
>         Limey Dave

One out of three ain't bad.
El Stroko Guapo - 01 Jul 2007 04:31 GMT
>>time next year, so perhaps I'll meet more of our SoFl rec.scubans including:
>>
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>
> One out of three ain't bad.

My social secretary tells me that no audience was requested.

esg
chilly - 01 Jul 2007 09:49 GMT
"> On Jun 30, 6:34 pm, mag3 <zmpmag3-plon...@yahoo.com> wrote:

a very enjoyable and informative report.  Thanks!!
mag3 - 01 Jul 2007 11:20 GMT
>"> On Jun 30, 6:34 pm, mag3 <zmpmag3-plon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>a very enjoyable and informative report.  Thanks!!

Thanks much. Would be priviliged to dive the "Blue Hole" (Belize) with you when time comes.
____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
chilly - 01 Jul 2007 20:19 GMT
> >"> On Jun 30, 6:34 pm, mag3 <zmpmag3-plon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >a very enjoyable and informative report.  Thanks!!
>
> Thanks much. Would be priviliged to dive the "Blue Hole" (Belize) with you when time comes.

Nice compliment, thank you.  When do you think the time will come?  What are
your plans with regard to diving Belize?
mag3 - 01 Jul 2007 21:18 GMT
>> Thanks much. Would be priviliged to dive the "Blue Hole" (Belize) with you
>>when time comes.
>
>Nice compliment, thank you.  When do you think the time will come?  What are
>your plans with regard to diving Belize?

Sometime within the next year or two. Want to rack up a few more deep dives
at gradually progressing depths (so far, deepest is 108fsw and I have two
others > 100fsw now). Although from what you tell me, they offer non-deco
profiles of the Blue Hole, which may make this dive more of a possibility than the
one I want to do in Moorea (The Roses) which *will* require deco.

I was thinking of doing the Belize Aggressor. Not interested in staying on land there,
unless you can convince me otherwise. To be honest, I haven't yet set foot in the
Caribbean, but I need to consider soon as Bora Bora and Palau are expensive to
visit repeatedly.

____________________________________________
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Arnold

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mag3 - 18 Jul 2007 02:42 GMT
>> >"> On Jun 30, 6:34 pm, mag3 <zmpmag3-plon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
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>Nice compliment, thank you.  When do you think the time will come?  What are
>your plans with regard to diving Belize?

I've actually started to make some for 2008. Shot you an e-mail but I don't think it reached you.

Can you e-mail me at the e-mail address found on the home page of my underwater website
(see URL below)....

thx.
____________________________________________
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Arnold

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nitespark - 01 Jul 2007 20:35 GMT
> Just returned from this year's "Diving with Dan" adventure in the "Frickin FLorida Keys."
> Racked up 17 dives (currently now at 79. But what's more important about this trip was
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>
>     anyone else I missed - or didn't.

Mag...
sounds like you had a pretty good time.  Sorry I couldn't make it but I
just now returned home from a week in Bonaire.  Keep me in the loop if
you all have another diving get together.  Lacking any conflicts, I may
be able to make it.

Trip report on Bonaire to follow.

Andy
mag3 - 01 Jul 2007 21:05 GMT
>Mag...
>sounds like you had a pretty good time.  Sorry I couldn't make it but I
>just now returned home from a week in Bonaire.  Keep me in the loop if
>you all have another diving get together.  Lacking any conflicts, I may
>be able to make it.

Absolutely.   I'll be back in Fl. in Jan. of 2008, and this same time next year
for a repeat of this trip. I'm sure if Dan organizes another "Diving with Dan"
he will do the same.

____________________________________________
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Arnold

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mag3 - 01 Jul 2007 20:51 GMT
>Just returned from this year's "Diving with Dan" adventure in the "Frickin FLorida Keys."
>Racked up 17 dives (currently now at 79. But what's more important about this trip was
>with whom I was diving. I met & dove with quite a few rec.scuban's for the first time
>including (using their "Nom de rec.scuba"):

[SNIP]

>Took a few pictures on the reefs which I'll publish on my website shortly.

Pictures now published!  See URL Below.

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold

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mag3 - 01 Jul 2007 21:22 GMT
>>Just returned from this year's "Diving with Dan" adventure in the "Frickin FLorida Keys."
>>Racked up 17 dives (currently now at 79. But what's more important about this trip was
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Pictures now published!  See URL Below.

As a reminder, to get to the underwater pictures, click on the link in my main site underneath
the parrot fish picture.

____________________________________________
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Dan Bracuk - 02 Jul 2007 13:07 GMT
mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:

:Just returned from this year's "Diving with Dan" adventure in the "Frickin FLorida Keys."

I thought it was Dive With mag3 in the Fantastic Florida Keys.  Did I
go to the wrong place?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Dan Bracuk - 02 Jul 2007 15:14 GMT
mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:

:Had no trouble at all with navigating back to the boats. Appreciate Lee's confidence that he let
:me handle that task for us both when we were dive buddies.

So that's why he did it, to build your confidence.  He allowed me to
handle that task when he dove with us too.  No doubt his motivation
was the same.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Lee Bell - 02 Jul 2007 15:25 GMT
> :Had no trouble at all with navigating back to the boats. Appreciate Lee's
> confidence that he let
> :me handle that task for us both when we were dive buddies.

> So that's why he did it, to build your confidence.  He allowed me to
> handle that task when he dove with us too.  No doubt his motivation
> was the same.

Yes and no. The motivation was the same, but neither of you got it right. I
left navigation to you guys because I was too lazy to do it myself. On
shallow dives like we were doing, I don't usually bother navigating beyond
having a general idea where the boat ought to be. If there's a significant
current, I tend to work my way into it, just to keep from leaving myself
with a difficult return trip. Somewhere around the middle of the dive, I
usually surface to get a fix on the boat and then work my way back in that
general direction. If I happen to come close enough to the boat to see it,
the tag line or some hard to mistake landmark, great. Otherwise, I surface
again near the end of the dive and then head back to it. I usually spend the
last few minutes of any dive, under, or nearly under the boat, assuming
there is something there to see.

Arnold did lead two of the three dives we did. I didn't think to question
his ability to find his way back to the boat. He was responsible for finding
it, but I really didn't care how.  He could navigate back to it, the way you
and your wife do, or surface and look for it, the way I usually do. The end,
not the means, is what is important. He led the first two dives because he
was the guest. If there's a thrill of discovery to be had, he gets to have
it. It's highly unlikely that I'd find anything I've not seen before. He
might.

Speaking of confidence in navigation skills, seems to me I remember
somebody, on one dive, that got a little confused on one dive, heading
directly away from the boat instead of back toward it. I seem to recall this
lady diver, an excellent lady diver, I might add, pointing the way, twice on
the same dive. Guess you were testing us that time. 8^)

Lee
Dan Bracuk - 02 Jul 2007 17:04 GMT
"Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:

:Speaking of confidence in navigation skills, seems to me I remember
:somebody, on one dive, that got a little confused on one dive, heading
:directly away from the boat instead of back toward it. I seem to recall this
:lady diver, an excellent lady diver, I might add, pointing the way, twice on
:the same dive. Guess you were testing us that time. 8^)

I was looking for the anchor line.  Anybody can find a boat.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
JOF - 02 Jul 2007 18:10 GMT
> "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
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>
> I was looking for the anchor line.  Anybody can find a boat.

Make sure they've dropped one.

Are you coming to Stratford this year?

JF
Dan Bracuk - 02 Jul 2007 21:08 GMT
JOF <jofrancis@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:

:Are you coming to Stratford this year?

Not for theatre.  Are there any golf courses around there that would
entail a stop at Shakespeare Pie?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
JOF - 02 Jul 2007 23:11 GMT
> JOF <jofran...@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
>
> :Are you coming to Stratford this year?
>
> Not for theatre.  Are there any golf courses around there that would
> entail a stop at Shakespeare Pie?

There are always golf courses. The pies we can pick up along the way.
If Wendy can't make it I'll drag out the son and heir, the golf pro.
He plays for money but he's pretty easy-going, not unlike me. Plan
something. We can hit a few local courses. I'm way overdue for a golf
blitz. Mayhap we could plan a rec.scuba golf day & call it Swing With
Dan & Patty.  8)

JF
Lee Bell - 02 Jul 2007 19:11 GMT
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> "Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
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>
> I was looking for the anchor line.  Anybody can find a boat.

Ahhh, that explains it. Glad I asked.

Lee
John Hanson - 03 Jul 2007 03:19 GMT
>Just returned from this year's "Diving with Dan" adventure in the "Frickin FLorida Keys."
>Racked up 17 dives (currently now at 79. But what's more important about this trip was
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>LDS in KL. I have heard that my LDS will be repeating the trip again same way, same
>time next year, so perhaps I'll meet more of our SoFl rec.scubans including:

I'll second that about Dan and Pat.  Two exceptionally decent people
and very good divers, I might add.  I also enjoyed meeting and diving
with you and hope to be there next year.

Curtis and I had dinner with Lee and Jayna on Sunday, which was the
first time I met them and found them to be wonderful people and very
nice.  I hope to dive with Lee sometime in the near future.

I'd have to say this is my best dive trip to date.  Not so much for
the diving but for the companionship.  But, all the dives were good
and the weather was excellent.  I dove with nitrox for the first time
(an exceeded my MOD by 2 feet intentionally, at 1.4 PO2) and racked up
about 5 1/2 hours of bottom time on the six dives.
Dan Bracuk - 03 Jul 2007 03:42 GMT
John Hanson <jhanson@northernlinks.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:

: I dove with nitrox for the first time
:(an exceeded my MOD by 2 feet intentionally, at 1.4 PO2) .

Really?  Must have been after we left cuz that woulda been rather
quite difficult on the dives we did together.  Or at least I think so,
I didn't actually have my computer for those dives so for all I know,
they were 200 footers.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
John Hanson - 03 Jul 2007 03:47 GMT
>John Hanson <jhanson@northernlinks.com> pounded away at his keyboard
>resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>I didn't actually have my computer for those dives so for all I know,
>they were 200 footers.

Yes, it was on the Thunderbolt.  I hit 10% CNS loading too.  The ones
we did together didn't go a foot below 190:-)
Magilla - 03 Jul 2007 03:57 GMT
"Dan Bracuk"  wrote ]

> : I dove with nitrox for the first time
> :(an exceeded my MOD by 2 feet intentionally, at 1.4 PO2) .
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I didn't actually have my computer for those dives so for all I know,
> they were 200 footers.

  Yeah, we visited a chunk of sunken steel named after a P-47.

  Did about 18 minutes at 110-ish, with a max of 118 FSW.

  Had a more reasonable .86, stayed off the sand knowing John had a
shallower MOD.

Curtis
Dan Bracuk - 03 Jul 2007 04:11 GMT
"\"Magilla\"" <cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:   Had a more reasonable .86, stayed off the sand knowing John had a
:shallower MOD.

Did you see any jawfish?  There a lot easier to see from 4 feet above
the sand than 4 inches above it.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
John Hanson - 03 Jul 2007 04:19 GMT
>"\"Magilla\"" <cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard
>resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Did you see any jawfish?  There a lot easier to see from 4 feet above
>the sand than 4 inches above it.

BWAHAHAHAHA
Magilla - 04 Jul 2007 00:46 GMT
> Did you see any jawfish?

   Well, John saw a Jewfish.....and I saw the outline, not clear enough to
ID.

> There a lot easier to see from 4 feet above
> the sand than 4 inches above it.

   Must have overdone it a tad, stayed about 20 feet above the sand, over
the edge of the wreck, still didn't see any.

   Got my deepest point in the hold.

   But really, how many people do you know who can hover that close to the
bottom and not touch it or silt?   ;-)

Curtis
Dan Bracuk - 04 Jul 2007 01:26 GMT
"\"Magilla\"" <cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:

:    But really, how many people do you know who can hover that close to the
:bottom and not touch it or silt?   ;-)

I can but I'm not willing to do so for long periods.  When I arch my
back too long, it gets sore.  Plus I want to be high enough to see the
jawfish.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Lee Bell - 04 Jul 2007 02:16 GMT
>    But really, how many people do you know who can hover that close to the
> bottom and not touch it or silt?   ;-)

You, me, mike, Bull Shark, Ms. Bull Shark, Dan and Pat right off the top of
my head.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 03 Jul 2007 12:49 GMT
> I'd have to say this is my best dive trip to date.  Not so much for
> the diving but for the companionship.  But, all the dives were good
> and the weather was excellent.

 Believe it or not, there are people here who scoff and ridicule that
notion (which begs to wonder why they're here at all).

 It's always been a considerable difference to me.

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George Cathcart - 03 Jul 2007 13:57 GMT
On Jul 3, 7:49 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
<Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:

> > I'd have to say this is my best dive trip to date.  Not so much for
> > the diving but for the companionship.  But, all the dives were good
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>                  Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com

Don't know who you're referring to, but I agree that the social aspect
of diving is one of its biggest attractions. Although it is possible
to dive solo, scuba is rooted in the buddy system, and picking the
right buddy is essential, in my mind, not only for dive safety but
also for topside sanity. After all, we spend more time out of the
water with our buddy than under it.

And on any dive trip, there is likely to be an extended dive family.
With the right group of people, even a middlin' trip can be fantastic.
With the wrong group, paradise would be like hell, and even one or two
people can undermine an otherwise superb trip. I've been very
fortunate on my last three liveaboards to have been with a great bunch
of people every time, with no exceptions. On a few trips before that,
both land-based and liveaboard, I started a list of people I'll not
travel or dive with again.

gc
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 03 Jul 2007 14:03 GMT
> On Jul 3, 7:49 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
> <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> both land-based and liveaboard, I started a list of people I'll not
> travel or dive with again.

 And here we agree.

 A profound post.

 There's only been one diver in all my RS experiences that was a major pain
in the a.s, but I'd still probably dive with him again.

 He hasn't posted for a couple years, though.

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a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that
     I'm  theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF

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Grumman-581 - 03 Jul 2007 17:35 GMT
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:03:39 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
<Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
>   There's only been one diver in all my RS experiences that was a major pain
> in the a.s, but I'd still probably dive with him again.
>
>   He hasn't posted for a couple years, though.

Yeah, but Hog kind of has a pretty good excuse...
Magilla - 04 Jul 2007 00:46 GMT
>  There's only been one diver in all my RS experiences that was a major
> pain in the a.s, but I'd still probably dive with him again.
>
>  He hasn't posted for a couple years, though.

   Guess that means it wasn't me.   ;-)
Magilla - 04 Jul 2007 00:46 GMT
"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick"  wrote @4ax.com...

>> (JH) I'd have to say this is my best dive trip to date.  Not so much for
>> the diving but for the companionship.  But, all the dives were good
>> and the weather was excellent.

>  Believe it or not, there are people here who scoff and ridicule that
> notion (which begs to wonder why they're here at all).
>
>  It's always been a considerable difference to me.

   It's the only reason I've stayed here, for friends and fun.

   Getting to meet Dan Bracuk after 9 years at rec scuba was indeed a
memorable event.  His gracious hosting of John and me allowed more time to
get to know him and Patti.  Very personable lady & gentleman, worth making
an effort to dive with them.

   John H I'll definitely road / dive trip with again, he's definitely a
great guy.  IMHO, for being one of our relative newbies, he dives ahead of
his count, has and practices excellent buddy skills, is a thinking diver.

   I won't leave out a mention of Arnold (mag 3) either, was a pleasure,
we'll dive together again.

Curtis
John Hanson - 05 Jul 2007 00:50 GMT
>"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick"  wrote @4ax.com...
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>get to know him and Patti.  Very personable lady & gentleman, worth making
>an effort to dive with them.

I agree 100% (I'd say that 110% thing that professional sports players
use all the time but I think that is just stupid)!

>    John H I'll definitely road / dive trip with again, he's definitely a
>great guy.  IMHO, for being one of our relative newbies, he dives ahead of
>his count, has and practices excellent buddy skills, is a thinking diver.

Thanks for the compliment.  I'll definitely road/dive trip with you
again too.

>    I won't leave out a mention of Arnold (mag 3) either, was a pleasure,
>we'll dive together again.

I look forward to seeing/diving with Arnold again too!
 
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