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Red Sea wrecks to be salvaged.

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Steve Carmichael-Timson - 19 Jun 2007 16:46 GMT
A freind of mine in Egypt sent me a message and a thread has started on the
forum with people from Egypt joining it.

http://www.divetheworld.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4694#post4694

Does anyone know if there is any truth in the story?

Steve

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El Stroko Guapo - 19 Jun 2007 20:32 GMT
> A freind of mine in Egypt sent me a message and a thread has started on
> the forum with people from Egypt joining it.
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> Steve

Wrecks in the Red Sea, as elsewhere, have been sold for salvage since
the days of breath hold diving. Most seagoing vessels end up in the
hands of insurance syndicates when they go down, and selling salvage
rights is the only way they can recover any of their loss, and they have
every right to do so under international law.

The ships themselves have no value - scrap steel is a glut on the market
and marine operations to bring them up are too costly. Cargo is another
matter, and only ships with valuable cargo will be salvaged.

To get at the cargo, salvors will usually dynamite away the surrounding
hull and superstructure, leaving an interesting pile of rubble.

Should these wrecks be taken away from the insurance syndicates that own
them and the salvors that work them and handed over to recreational divers?

Not without major changes to international marine law and big increases
in the shippers' cost of insurance.

esg
Steve Carmichael-Timson - 20 Jun 2007 17:12 GMT
>> A freind of mine in Egypt sent me a message and a thread has started on
>> the forum with people from Egypt joining it.
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>
> esg

I would have thought that the local government would have realised what a
great loss to the local economy the salvage would be.  No longer would there
be the fantastic wrecks you see there and the number of divers would drop.
With so many people relying on an income from the recreational diving
industry I would have thought they would have stepped in and done something
about it.  In Scapa Flow they have declared the German wrecks a National
Monument so they don't get salvaged.

Steve
El Stroko Guapo - 20 Jun 2007 23:20 GMT
> I would have thought that the local government would have realised what
> a great loss to the local economy the salvage would be.  No longer would
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> Steve

The Scapa flow wrecks have already been extensively salvaged, soon after
they were scuttled when high grade steel was in short supply. The
salvage company was Mssrs Cox & Danks, Ltd., under contract to the
Admiralty. The V70, the Hindenburg, the Moltke, the Seydlitz, the
Kaiser, the Bremse, the Von der Tann, the Prinzregent Luitpold, and the
Bayern were all raised intact and scrapped. At present, there is nothing
left of commercial value in Scapa Flow. Monument status protects what is
left from the amateurs, not the professionals.

And, as military vessels, they were uninsured except by the full faith
and credit of the Third Reich, not a real strong claim.

The insurance companies that own the salvage rights on most wrecks are
happy to sell those rights to the highest bidder, or to share the
proceeds of salvage with professional salvors. If local governments
consider the intact wrecks valuable by their attraction to divers, they
should just buy the rights.

I've done lot of wreck diving (and recovered a few artifacts) but I
still find the idea, that every rusty old tub that sinks should
automatically become a playground for us divers, is ludicrous.

esg
Scott - 20 Jun 2007 23:45 GMT
> I've done lot of wreck diving (and recovered a few artifacts) but I
> still find the idea, that every rusty old tub that sinks should
> automatically become a playground for us divers, is ludicrous.

Oh, bullshit.

'specially the ones that have, like, live hedgehogs and 500 pounders on
board...

Hit that f.cker with your Manta Nutbuster...
El Stroko Guapo - 21 Jun 2007 03:32 GMT
>>I've done lot of wreck diving (and recovered a few artifacts) but I
>>still find the idea, that every rusty old tub that sinks should
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> Hit that f.cker with your Manta Nutbuster...

Yeah, OK. Live ordinance should be finders keepers.
Scott - 21 Jun 2007 03:59 GMT
> Yeah, OK. Live ordinance should be finders keepers.

Bastard.

Thats three in one day.
Dillon Pyron - 01 Jul 2007 20:34 GMT
>>>I've done lot of wreck diving (and recovered a few artifacts) but I
>>>still find the idea, that every rusty old tub that sinks should
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>Yeah, OK. Live ordinance should be finders keepers.

As long as you're not a middle school teacher.  They shouldn't be
permitted to keep 40 mm grenades.  Or at least pound on them.
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John R. Macdonald - 05 Jul 2007 03:45 GMT
>>>>I've done lot of wreck diving (and recovered a few artifacts) but I
>>>>still find the idea, that every rusty old tub that sinks should
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>As long as you're not a middle school teacher.  They shouldn't be
>permitted to keep 40 mm grenades.  Or at least pound on them.

What about old age pensioners?
i.e; http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/03/explosive_doorstop/
 
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