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Trip Report - Grand Cayman, Cobalt Coast

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George Price - 18 Jun 2007 04:22 GMT
Getting There:

We (I) chose Spirit Airlines, flying out of Ft. Lauderdale.  It was
$200/ticket more to fly out of Orlando for the privilege of sitting for a
2.5 hour layover in Ft. Lauderdale.

I couldn't find a direct flight without stopping in Ft. Lauderdale or Miami
first.

We drove to Boynton and stayed at the family condo for the night, for a
fifteen minute ride to the airport the next day.

We got to Ft. Lauderdale Airport 2.5 hours early, and needed all of that
time to get to the gate.  The airport looks to be able to handle half of the
volume it has.  There was a line thirty yards long out the terminal door
just to get to the ticket counter lines.  We learned how lucky we are at OIA
for efficiency, and space.

I have flown Spirit for years with no problems, but ended up taking off and
hour late this time.  First delay was to catch a couple of bags from a
connecting flight...no problem.  All buttoned up, ramp retracted, ready to
push off from the gate.  Then they found a few "lost" passengers.  The pilot
said it should not effect our departure time more than ten minutes.  Most
airlines would have left.  We then waited for forty minutes in line while
fifteen planes ahead of us departed, intermixed with ten planes landing; all
on one runway.

Where We Stayed:

We (I) had chosen Cobalt Coast after reading some reviews years past, with
their location out near the north side (actually West Bay), and small size
of resort, and the good reviews of Divetech.  Their site is at:
http://www.cobaltcoast.com/

We loved Cobalt Coast.

I guess you could call it "Arie's Place".  Arie is the owner and proprietor
of Cobalt, and lives on the top floor of this 18 room resort.  Arie is there
to help with any needs that may arise, and is a wonderful host.  He
personally drove us over to Hell to mail some postcards, and say hello to
Mr. Farrington...dressed as the devil...what a hoot!  It doesn't get any
tackier than this!  Being from one of the biggest tourist destinations in
the world, I reveled in being a tourist for a change. This was mainly for
our twins to experience GC (gotta do the Turtle Farm, Georgetown, and visit
Hell at least once....besides the 100 + ft visibility GC has to offer).  The
Turtle Farm now costs $30, and the drop off in people going there is
dramatic, as Mr. Bush tells it.  No wonder; to go from $7 to $30 is a bit
steep.  The Turtle Farm is now part of a complex called Boatswains Bay, that
will include a water park... for $70, ouch!

Arie also arranged for Mr. Bush, who provides the airport transfer, to take
us to Georgetown, and then on to the Turtle Farm for a short
visit....without getting soaked for the steep cabfare and the full Turtle
Farm cost.  We were being quoted $47 dollars US...one way, from Georgetown
to Cobalt by the cabbies.  Mr. Bush also stopped at a liquor store for me to
pick up some spirits and beer (I would go broke sitting at a bar on GC).
The rooms have a refrigerator for the drinks.

This is also why we chose the full meal plan, since getting to somewhere to
eat was time consuming and expensive from Cobalt's location.  The food was
good, and it was nice eating oceanside...with sunsets as well, and for
$50/pp/per day for breakfast, lunch and dinner is cheap on GC.  It also
helped being able to get breakfast there, since the Divetech transportation
leaves at 8:00am for the boats, located at a marina on the North Sound.
They move the boats to the west side if the north side is too rough.

The Diving:

Divetech is a well run operation, although we realized how spoiled we had
become at Divi on the Brac.  All of the DM's were great, and after they get
used to your proficiency, you can dive your own profile without a guided
dive.  All of the DM's draw a rough topographical layout of each site before
you get in.  They have a dedicated camera tank on board, and are very
mindful of the camera equipment.

We dove the north side each day, and only one day was 2-3 ft seas, the rest
1-2 ft seas...pretty flat.  Visibility on all wall dives was in excess of
100 ft, and real pretty.  Water temperature was 82-84 F; perfect for my
t-shirt and shorts diving.

Cobalt does offer some great (so I'm told) shore diving.  Since we didn't
try it, I can't say for sure, but there were a lot of people doing shore
dives.

We did:

No Name Wall
Lemon Reef/Wall
Chinese Wall
Bears Paw reef
Stingray City
White Stroke Canyon
Leslie's Curl

Lemon Reef, and Leslie's Curl were nice in that one could cruise along the
top edge of the wall as a shallow dive at 60ft.

The two best walls were Chinese Wall, and White Stroke Canyon: absolutely
pristine.  White Stroke was a special request; I could see why.  Besides
going almost across the north sound to Rum Point to get there, the "canyon"
is a deep split in the wall, with sand at the bottom of the canyon, emptying
out on the wall somewhere near 90ft....I really was not paying attention to
my depth until getting out on the wall.  A great place for photography with
strawberry vase sponges as a foreground, with the deep blue of the abyss,
and sides of the canyon wall.  I hit 102ft on this one, but the DM's will
tell you 130 is your limit, and thus limiting your BT.  They do supply
Aladdin computers on all dives.  I found my old Cochran Captain differed by
about five feet on depth.

Okay,.... we HAD to do Stingray City with the kids.  One of those," you have
to do this once" things.  It turned out to be quite fun since we were not
mobbed by the rays, as was the case the last time we were there several
years ago.  What was so much fun was that we got to visit with, an play with
Psycho, the six foot green moray.  Poor Psycho is blind; its eyes are opaque
white, but it can sure smell when its dinner time.  It (don't know if its a
he, or she) came out, and the DM fed Psycho while everyone got a chance to
pet the moray, and get great pictures for those with cameras.  My kids
friends are going to think they are nuts with pictures of them petting
stingrays (after Steve Irwin's unfortunate demise) and moray eels....it was
great fun; a good time had by all:  Thanks to Arie and Cobalt Coast, and
Divetech.

George
-hh - 18 Jun 2007 14:04 GMT
> Getting There:
>
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> I couldn't find a direct flight without stopping in Ft. Lauderdale or Miami
> first.

Probably because Cayman Airways did away with their MCO-GCM flight.

> We loved Cobalt Coast.

Sounds nice.

>  The Turtle Farm now costs $30, and the drop off in people going there is
> dramatic, as Mr. Bush tells it.  No wonder; to go from $7 to $30 is a bit
> steep.  

Gosh, a mere 400% increase.   Amazing.  Guess that they had hoped that
the cruise ship crowds would pay off all of the rebuilding.

> The Turtle Farm is now part of a complex called Boatswains Bay,
> that will include a water park... for $70, ouch!

Was this also where the dolphin slavery park was going to be?

> We were being quoted $47 dollars US...one way, from Georgetown
> to Cobalt by the cabbies.

I've paid less than that for a full day's rental car - - but I suspect
that they've now probably shot up too.

> This is also why we chose the full meal plan, since getting to somewhere
> to eat was time consuming and expensive from Cobalt's location.  
> The food was good, and it was nice eating oceanside...with sunsets
> as well, and for $50/pp/per day for breakfast, lunch and dinner is
> cheap on GC.  

Yes, that is cheap for GC.  Heck, its cheaper than what Divi Tiara
charged on the Brac :-)

>  White Stroke ... the "canyon"
> is a deep split in the wall, with sand at the bottom of the canyon, emptying
> out on the wall somewhere near 90ft....I really was not paying attention to
> my depth until getting out on the wall.  A great place for photography...

Sounds reminiscient of the Brac's "Chutes" dive sites.

>  What was so much fun was that we got to visit with, an play with
> Psycho, the six foot green moray.  Poor Psycho is blind; its eyes
> are opaque white, but it can sure smell when its dinner time.

Didn't know that Psycho was still around.   Wondering too how long a
Moray Eel can live ;-)

-hh
Greg Mossman - 18 Jun 2007 15:03 GMT
> >  What was so much fun was that we got to visit with, an play with
> > Psycho, the six foot green moray.  Poor Psycho is blind; its eyes
> > are opaque white, but it can sure smell when its dinner time.
>
> Didn't know that Psycho was still around.   Wondering too how long a
> Moray Eel can live ;-)

California morays can live up to 30 years.  I'd imagine Caribbean
greens are about the same.

I thought Psycho got its name for a good reason, with some very recent
attacks to his credit.  I've already warned Janna to stay well away
from it next week, especially since I won't be there this time to save
her and/or collect any stray fingers.
Lee Bell - 18 Jun 2007 16:18 GMT
>  What was so much fun was that we got to visit with, an play with
> Psycho, the six foot green moray.  Poor Psycho is blind; its eyes
> are opaque white, but it can sure smell when its dinner time.

Interesting.  Psycho was, I believe, the name of the barracuda that Spencer
Slate used to hand feed.  I was under the impression that he was killed
quite a few years ago.  I don't recall hearing a name for the large moray
that lives, I believe, under the City of Washington wreck.

> I've already warned Janna to stay well away from it next week, especially
> since I won't be there this time to save
> her and/or collect any stray fingers.

Is Janna going to be diving down here next week?  You do know that groups
consisting of Dan, Arnold, John, Curtis, Mike and I are getting together for
diving in the Keys next weekend and the one after, right?

Lee
-hh - 18 Jun 2007 16:39 GMT
> >  What was so much fun was that we got to visit with, an play with
> > Psycho, the six foot green moray.  Poor Psycho is blind; its eyes
> > are opaque white, but it can sure smell when its dinner time.
>
> Interesting.  Psycho was, I believe, the name of the barracuda that Spencer
> Slate used to hand feed...

And Psycho was also used as the name of a Green Moray Eel that used to
hang out around the #356 Wreck (Russian Destroyer, Cayman Brac).

Obviously, the name is a favorite amongst DM's :-)

-hh
Lee Bell - 18 Jun 2007 19:15 GMT
> And Psycho was also used as the name of a Green Moray Eel that used to
> hang out around the #356 Wreck (Russian Destroyer, Cayman Brac).
>
> Obviously, the name is a favorite amongst DM's :-)

Ahhh, that explains the subject line which, obviously, I didn't read before
posting.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 18 Jun 2007 22:57 GMT
> Is Janna going to be diving down here next week?  You do know that groups
> consisting of Dan, Arnold, John, Curtis, Mike and I are getting together for
> diving in the Keys next weekend and the one after, right?

Yeah, we'll be real close, only 360 miles from Key West.  Come on by
for a beer.
George Price and Sheree Price - 19 Jun 2007 02:14 GMT
>> Getting There:
>>
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>
> Probably because Cayman Airways did away with their MCO-GCM flight.

>>>  We used to fly Cayman Air out of Tampa, but I didn't check.

>> We loved Cobalt Coast.
>
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> Gosh, a mere 400% increase.   Amazing.  Guess that they had hoped that
> the cruise ship crowds would pay off all of the rebuilding.

>>>That's probably true.  There was no one there at 3:00pm; the cruise ships
>>>had left, or were leaving.

>> The Turtle Farm is now part of a complex called Boatswains Bay,
>> that will include a water park... for $70, ouch!
>
> Was this also where the dolphin slavery park was going to be?

>>>They talked of a place to swim with "predators", but nothing about
>>>dolphins.

>> We were being quoted $47 dollars US...one way, from Georgetown
>> to Cobalt by the cabbies.
>
> I've paid less than that for a full day's rental car - - but I suspect
> that they've now probably shot up too.

>>>Although, we did rent a car once years ago, we were only going out for
>>>the day, and to get a car for the day just wasn't worth the hassle.

>> This is also why we chose the full meal plan, since getting to somewhere
>> to eat was time consuming and expensive from Cobalt's location.
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>
> Sounds reminiscient of the Brac's "Chutes" dive sites.

>>> In a way, but the walls of this one were much higher than I remembered
>>> at the sites on the Brac

>>  What was so much fun was that we got to visit with, an play with
>> Psycho, the six foot green moray.  Poor Psycho is blind; its eyes
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>>> They've turned a number of hotels into dorms for the St. Matthews
>>> Medical school; didn't know they had a med school on GC.

Here's the next big thing underway, although I would expect you already know
about it:

http://www.camanabay.com/camana.htm
Greg Mossman - 18 Jun 2007 15:27 GMT
Thanks for such a timely report.  It's always nice to read good things
about the place you're traveling to in a few days.

> We drove to Boynton and stayed at the family condo for the night, for a
> fifteen minute ride to the airport the next day.

Which means it will end up taking me less time to travel there all the
way from the west coast.  We take off at 6:20 a.m and land at 4:40
p.m. with a quick connection in Houston, getting there in time for a
dusk dive if I lay off the inflight Bloody Marys.

> We loved Cobalt Coast.

While I have found unfavorable reviews on Divetech, I've never seen a
negative word about the hotel operation.  That makes it more of a
challenge to find something wrong.  Hopefully I'll be disappointed and
the place will be perfect.

> Mr. Bush also stopped at a liquor store for me to
> pick up some spirits and beer (I would go broke sitting at a bar on GC).
> The rooms have a refrigerator for the drinks.

That's good to know.  I was wondering how we would fill our fridge, if
not with beer, then with bottled water.

> This is also why we chose the full meal plan, since getting to somewhere to
> eat was time consuming and expensive from Cobalt's location.  The food was
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> leaves at 8:00am for the boats, located at a marina on the North Sound.
> They move the boats to the west side if the north side is too rough.

I've eaten out enough on Grand Cayman to know that the meal plan is a
bargain.  The transportation to the dive boats is a bummer, however.
I didn't find out about it until recently reading some reports, after
I had already booked the trip.  It's "interesting" that they
completely leave this tidbit out of the marketing materials, instead
misleadingly showing a picture of the two dive boats anchored right
off their dock.  It will still be easier than some of the dive trips
I've taken, where diving requires a 45-minute drive to the boat after
a trek carrying gear through a mammoth resort hotel, but obviously not
as easy as grabbing gear out of the gear storage and jumping on the
boat (or better yet, have your gear waiting on the boat) as it's done
at the typical "dive resort".

Oh well, it's too late now, so we'll make the best of it.  I just hope
that we have weather as good as yours so that we can dive the north
wall.  So far things are looking pretty calm.

> Cobalt does offer some great (so I'm told) shore diving.  Since we didn't
> try it, I can't say for sure, but there were a lot of people doing shore
> dives.

It's certainly not great in the way Bonaire is great, requiring a
longer surface swim for a much-less spectacular "mini wall" that's
really just a gentle slope.  Supposedly the real wall starts out
beyond that, after a really long surface swim, but we have yet to go
that far.  Maybe this trip . . .
George Price - 19 Jun 2007 09:29 GMT
> Thanks for such a timely report.  It's always nice to read good things
> about the place you're traveling to in a few days.
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> p.m. with a quick connection in Houston, getting there in time for a
> dusk dive if I lay off the inflight Bloody Marys.

>>>Sunset is around seven.
>>> Remember, if you are on daylight savings time, they are not, so you get
>>> to fall back another hour.

>> We loved Cobalt Coast.
>
> While I have found unfavorable reviews on Divetech, I've never seen a
> negative word about the hotel operation.  That makes it more of a
> challenge to find something wrong.  Hopefully I'll be disappointed and
> the place will be perfect.

>>> All of the DM's were helpful.  Lee seemed a bit more into "follow the
>>> leader";  Meet at the front of the boat on the down line to make sure
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>>> wants to do their own thing, just let us know so we know you are not
>>> with our group.

The one thing I noticed:   They do not take a roll call...ever.  I'm used to
a roll call before leaving the dock, and one after each dive before they
move the boat, or after the last dive so no one is left behind.  I did see
them do a quick head count once

They keep a laundry hamper of fresh towels on board..no need to take
any...just grab a couple when you first get on.  There's a fresh water rinse
at the back of the boat, and they have a small cooler with quartered oranges
that are great for clearing out the salt water after a dive, as well as
fresh drinking water.

>> Mr. Bush also stopped at a liquor store for me to
>> pick up some spirits and beer (I would go broke sitting at a bar on GC).
>> The rooms have a refrigerator for the drinks.
>
> That's good to know.  I was wondering how we would fill our fridge, if
> not with beer, then with bottled water.

>>> We did this as a side trip on Monday for our Georgetown/Turtlefarm visit
>>> when no one else was on the bus, but then no one was on the bus on the
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>>> tip per trip, or after the trip was done.  She said it was customary to
>>> tip at the end of the trip...which I was used to.

They do sell water, soft drinks and some fruit juices in the dive shop.  The
dive shop, when looking a picture of the place is the building on the left.

They also had Britta water purifier pitchers in the refrigerator door in the
room.  There is a small freezer for ice trays.

>> This is also why we chose the full meal plan, since getting to somewhere
>> to
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> boat (or better yet, have your gear waiting on the boat) as it's done
> at the typical "dive resort".

>>>My only complaint was having to get up at 7:00am.  I'm not a morning
>>>person, but get up at 6 when the kids are in school is routine.  I don't
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>>>Monday off for tourist activities, and then Wednesday we didn't dive in
>>>the morning since they go to Stingray City around 1:00pm.

The routine was up at 7, down to breakfast by 7:15, get your gear out of
your locker at 7:45 and throw it on the gear pickup truck, on the bus by
8:00, and it only takes about ten minutes, if that, to get to the marina.
From there, it's about a half hour out to the north wall.  It they left from
the dock at Cobalt it would probably take an hour to get to the wall
locations.  If it's to rough on the north side, they move the boats around
to where they may use the Cobalt pier, and dive the west side.  The bus ride
over is pretty quick.

At Divi, we were used to them getting out gear out of the gear shed,
watching them set it up on the boats while we ate breakfast, get on the boat
by 9.  Get to the dive site; sit your butt on the back dive platform where
they would bring your assembled gear to get strapped into, put on your fins,
and off you go....see you later, bye...just come back with 500.  Get back on
the boat, sit your butt back down on the dive platform, and they would
switch it over to a new tank.  Repeat the process for the second dive.  They
even used to rinse it off and hang it up for you in the gear shed after
diving.  All you had to do is put your gear bag number on the next days dive
boat located on the back of the gear shed .  That's what I meant about being
spoiled at Divi.

It took me years to figure out they probably did this for safety reasons:
Who better can access the condition of your gear than a DM setting it up?
Sitting on the back of the boat to get strapped in avoids a wayward soul in
rolling seas landing an 80 in your face...none of this waddling to the back
of the boat with a forty pound counter wieght attached to your back..

> Oh well, it's too late now, so we'll make the best of it.  I just hope
> that we have weather as good as yours so that we can dive the north
> wall.  So far things are looking pretty calm.

>>> Your weather looks better than ours...it rained the last day of diving,
>>> but just wasn't as bright...still a breathtaking wall.
I used this site the most:  http://www.caymanweather.com/
Pay no attention to the top part with wave height; that's for out to sea.  I
contacted Nacy at divetech about this, and she said it was flat on the
walls, and was pretty much correct down to saying things could pick up on
Tuesday, which they did, but was no more than three ft.

I got into a bit of trouble getting in on that first dive.  As soon as I got
in, took out my reg and got a snoot full of seawater.  My son, the
inexperienced one, is waiting for me to get my act together, and I couldn't
catch my breath.  I can't do that with a reg in my mouth, let alone I wasn't
used to thier reg...there was a lot of resistance to their Scuba Pro I
wasn't used to. I pulled back onto the ladder to get my breath, and was
ready to go, but Susan (DM) had put my camera out of reach.  As I watched
her get her gear on, I just waited.  She was ready and said everyone was
aleady on the bottom..my dive buddy without his buddy.  Then she asked me if
I was going to descend?  No clue as to what was happening with me. Um, I'm
just waiting for you to hand me my camera? ( I should have just climbed back
on, grabbed the damn thing and left).  Needless to say, I beat Susan back to
the group, caught back up with the family, and all was well.  I never really
liked her attitude out of all of the DM's.  That was the only problem I had,
but I thought their overall dive operaton was  good.

The whole episode would have went much smoother by just jumping in,
submerging, and getting up to the down line under the conditions.  The ,
"lets all meet at the down line before we go down"  was not a good thing for
me in those conditions.

>> Cobalt does offer some great (so I'm told) shore diving.  Since we didn't
>> try it, I can't say for sure, but there were a lot of people doing shore
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> beyond that, after a really long surface swim, but we have yet to go
> that far.  Maybe this trip . . .

>>>One last note. Over the years I had acquired a taste for Tortuga 151.  It
>>>tastes unlike any rum I have ever had...although it's blended in Jamaica.
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>>>drinking some as I type this, and don't notice much difference in taste.
>>>At $9/ltr you can't beat it.

There are some deals, some aren't.  A bottle of Dom Perignon was 120 US,
here its' up to about 160. Moet et Chandon White Star was $36...what we pay
in the US; I get on sale for $30.
Greg Mossman - 19 Jun 2007 14:34 GMT
> The one thing I noticed:   They do not take a roll call...ever.  I'm used to
> a roll call before leaving the dock, and one after each dive before they
> move the boat, or after the last dive so no one is left behind.  I did see
> them do a quick head count once

As long as they do some kind of count, that's OK.  It's much harder to
lose someone on a small boat that lacks even a head to hide in.  It's
a much different scenario on SoCal cattle boats which can carry 20-30
people, especially when someone claims that someone else is in the
head or in the shower or asleep in a bunk.  It's even worse in
Australia, where cattle boats can haul 50 or more and Australians
can't count past 20 (except for the few lucky enough to be born with
extra toes, that can manage 21 or 22).

> They do sell water, soft drinks and some fruit juices in the dive shop.  The
> dive shop, when looking a picture of the place is the building on the left.

I've been there before for shore diving and do recall now that we were
able to purchase beverages in the shop, so that's some consolation.
The hotel bar should satisfy my drinking urges as Janna's planning on
making me night dive, and I'm trying to stay relatively hangover-free
(and smoke-free) for my class.

> They also had Britta water purifier pitchers in the refrigerator door in the
> room.  There is a small freezer for ice trays.

And an ice pack for my elbow, if I remember to bring it.  My elbow
just started acting up yesterday, knowing that it's soon going to be
called upon to haul luggage and gear and doubles and stage bottles.

> The routine was up at 7, down to breakfast by 7:15, get your gear out of
> your locker at 7:45 and throw it on the gear pickup truck, on the bus by
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> to where they may use the Cobalt pier, and dive the west side.  The bus ride
> over is pretty quick.

That's not too bad.  Probably 80%-90% of the world's dive ops start at
8 a.m.

On Maui, you have to meet the Ed Robinson's boat in a parking lot
somewhere at 6:30 a.m. (I think Mike Severns and B&B start at 6:00,
since they're already in the water by the time Ed's gets out to
Molokini).  I stay 45 minutes away, up in Kaanapali, requiring me to
leave my hotel room at 5:30 to trudge to the car.  That's one reason
why I'm not so big on Hawaii diving (high cost and paucity of fish/
coral are two more big reasons).  Of course I'm up at 5:30 this
morning, getting ready to leave home at 7:30 to sit on freeways for a
couple hours in order to make a 9:30 a.m. meeting in West L.A.  The
Cobalt Coast schedule will seem relaxing compared to that.  It's late-
rising Janna who's gonna suffer.

> At Divi, we were used to them getting out gear out of the gear shed,
> watching them set it up on the boats while we ate breakfast, get on the boat
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> boat located on the back of the gear shed .  That's what I meant about being
> spoiled at Divi.

There certainly is a wide range of service.  I rarely (i.e. never)
dive locally since it's a real PITA to wake up at 4 a.m. to leave the
house at 5 a.m. to sit in traffic for an hour-and-a-half on the way to
the dock, to then have to carry all my gear, tank, and weights to the
boat in the frigid dark winter morning.  At least in Hawaii, you're
rewarded by warmish water and tropicals - locally, it's a long
seasickening haul to the islands, followed by more freezing when one
finally gets in the water.

On the other hand, my usual preference is to do a liveaboard, where
it's just as work-free as Divi, but you don't even have to walk much
more than a few feet between your room, the dive deck, and the
galley.  Spoiled is nice.  If it weren't for the class, we'd be
spending a Cayman trip on the Nekton or Aggressor.

> It took me years to figure out they probably did this for safety reasons:
> Who better can access the condition of your gear than a DM setting it up?
> Sitting on the back of the boat to get strapped in avoids a wayward soul in
> rolling seas landing an 80 in your face...none of this waddling to the back
> of the boat with a forty pound counter wieght attached to your back..

Being more cynical I always assumed that, at least in third-world
countries, they're more worried about the wayward someone breaking
something on the boat.

> I used this site the most:  http://www.caymanweather.com/
> Pay no attention to the top part with wave height; that's for out to sea.  I
> contacted Nacy at divetech about this, and she said it was flat on the
> walls, and was pretty much correct down to saying things could pick up on
> Tuesday, which they did, but was no more than three ft.

Been on it at least once a day this past week.  The wave heights did
sound a bit high for otherwise calm conditions, so I figured (hoped)
they weren't the same on the north wall.  It should be perfect.

> The whole episode would have went much smoother by just jumping in,
> submerging, and getting up to the down line under the conditions.  The ,
> "lets all meet at the down line before we go down"  was not a good thing for
> me in those conditions.

Likewise, for Janna.  She hates being on the surface and it was a
revelation to her when we started diving with dive ops that preferred
to meet on the bottom.  I'm used to spending hours a day bobbing up
and down in the ocean thanks to my wayward youth, so I don't mind it
so much.

> >>>One last note. Over the years I had acquired a taste for Tortuga 151.  It
> >>>tastes unlike any rum I have ever had...although it's blended in Jamaica.
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> >>>drinking some as I type this, and don't notice much difference in taste.
> >>>At $9/ltr you can't beat it.

Connecting in Houston means I'd have to pack it in my check-in luggage
after clearing customs, which is why we haven't restocked the liquor
cabinet from a duty-free in a while.  That's OK, as I tend to drink
rum only when I'm on vacation.  There's about 8 different sorts in the
cabinet right now, 7 of them unopened.

> There are some deals, some aren't.  A bottle of Dom Perignon was 120 US,
> here its' up to about 160. Moet et Chandon White Star was $36...what we pay
> in the US; I get on sale for $30.

I think my favorite DF prices ever are in the Belize airport.  I know
we still have the rum leftover from our last Cayman trip, back in 2004
(a few months before Ivan).
George Price - 20 Jun 2007 06:14 GMT
>> The one thing I noticed:   They do not take a roll call...ever.  I'm used
>> to
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> can't count past 20 (except for the few lucky enough to be born with
> extra toes, that can manage 21 or 22).

>>>I guess you will feel comfortable with the ten to twelve divers that were
>>>on our boat, as well as at least four Australian DM's.  I thought if I
>>>heard the phrase, "No worries mate" one more time I was going to get
>>>sick.

>> They do sell water, soft drinks and some fruit juices in the dive shop.
>> The
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> making me night dive, and I'm trying to stay relatively hangover-free
> (and smoke-free) for my class.

>>>They make you take a class for that?  They did ask us if we wanted to do
>>>a night dive, but they never mentioned having to take a class.
Back in the late 80's we did our first night dive on the Oro Verde wreck in
50ft of water on a Soto's cattle boat.  The only warning we were given was
that there were sea wasps (jellies) and to purge our octopus on the way up
to clear any of the critters out of the way.  We saw a couple; they're
related to the box jellies, but not fatal.  It was so much fun, we ended up
doing at least five more night dives on the Brac.  A women did get hit by a
sea wasp, and she likened it to being stung by three wasps in the same
place, and the pain intensity lasted for three hours.

Every time we were about to do a night dive, I had to stop and think; this
is insane diving at night with a flashlight.  But as soon as I got in the
water, I was consumed by the experience.  I related it to going into your
attic, and rummaging around with a flashlight, only you are 20 to whatever
depth underwater.  I still have my Princeton teck Shockwave II dive light.
It's small, with a pistol grip, and lights up an area ten by ten in front of
me.  It's absolutely awesome on land.  When we take it on camping trips,
I've actually heard people say. "That's a serious flashlight!"
For $70 it ought to be, but there are bigger and better, of course.  I like
this one because it's small, but powerful.

Okay, so I'm going to take it you haven't done a night dive.  If this is the
case, there are two things you have to do.

First, feed the coral.  The neat thing about night dives is that all of the
coral polyps open up to feed at night; star coral is the best for feeding.
We learned this on our first night dive back in 89.  There are these "worms"
that are attracted to the dive lights like moths to a flame.  I understand
they are a type of  polychaete worm; they move so fast they don't quite fit
the terrestrial definition of worm.  They tend to swarm around your dive
light it you stay in one place long enough.  Find a good star coral
formation; they look like 3/4 inch buttons during the day, but at night you
will see they have opened up for feeding, with a ring of little tentacles
around the polyp.  Hold your dive light next to the coral, and as the
"worms" are attracted to the light, it doesn't take more than 30 seconds
before one of the critters is snagged by the coral polyp, and it closes on
its prey much like a Venus flytrap.  So I'm easily amused; I must have spent
at least fifteen minutes doing this.

Second, get settled on the bottom in the sand, and turn off your light.
Wave your hand quickly in front of your face, and you will see these little
green "sparks" go off in front to you.  I believe they are a type of
plankton that will emit light when disturbed.  There is a bay in Puerto Rico
that is famous for this, in that there are so many, the boat trail leaves a
glow in the water.

>> They also had Britta water purifier pitchers in the refrigerator door in
>> the
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> just started acting up yesterday, knowing that it's soon going to be
> called upon to haul luggage and gear and doubles and stage bottles.

>>>Sounds like a need for naproxin (Aleve  -Take two)  I have some arthritis
>>>starting in my right hand, and works well after two days.  Ibuprofen
>>>gives me gastritis in fifteen minutes flat, but I can take two Aleve on
>>>an empty stomach and wash it down with a coke and it wont bother me.
>>>But, everyone's different.  I have had people say the same thing about
>>>naproxin vs ibuprofen .

I don't like using any of them for extended periods of time because all
NSAIDS, as well as a list of drugs as long as my arm, are known to cause
interstitial nephritis, which causes renal failure.  If it's caught early,
it can be cured with prednisone treatment, and dialysis; niether of which is
a walk in the park, but at least you get your kidneys back....I work
primarly on renal problems all day, and I've been doing it for twenty five
years, thus the apprehension..

The other menthol products seem to work well, like Flexall, or Biofreeze if
you can find it.  The biggest problem with them is touching a mucous
membrane (eye, inner nose, mouth).  I learned to use q-tips to apply it to
keep it off my fingers.  Even after washing hands, it will stll get your
attention it you touch the wrong spot....but I was surprised how well it
worked.

>> The routine was up at 7, down to breakfast by 7:15, get your gear out of
>> your locker at 7:45 and throw it on the gear pickup truck, on the bus by
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> galley.  Spoiled is nice.  If it weren't for the class, we'd be
> spending a Cayman trip on the Nekton or Aggressor.

>>> I would really like to do that, but Sheree and the kids get sea sick,
>>> and they're not willing to take the risk...can't blame them.
The one thing I can't figure out is they all love roller coasters, but they
get seas sick.  I don't find feeling like I'm going to die, without any
control over where I'm going a form of entertainment. But, I don't get sea
sick.  I've been in seven foot seas on a fishing boat where everyone got
sick except the captain and I.  I found the most unusal thing to be the
long, slow rollers on the trip between Cayman Brac and Little Cayman; never
saw more people get sick than on that crossing.

>> It took me years to figure out they probably did this for safety reasons:
>> Who better can access the condition of your gear than a DM setting it up?
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> we still have the rum leftover from our last Cayman trip, back in 2004
> (a few months before Ivan).
Greg Mossman - 20 Jun 2007 07:22 GMT
> >>>I guess you will feel comfortable with the ten to twelve divers that were
> >>>on our boat, as well as at least four Australian DM's.  I thought if I
> >>>heard the phrase, "No worries mate" one more time I was going to get
> >>>sick.

At least you can't hear them talk underwater.

> >>>They make you take a class for that?  They did ask us if we wanted to do
> >>>a night dive, but they never mentioned having to take a class.
> Okay, so I'm going to take it you haven't done a night dive.  If this is the
> case, there are two things you have to do.

Only about 75 or so.  The class is a tech class, five 8-5 days, which
is why I'm leery of getting an evil hangover.  I do love night diving
except for two things: (a) bloodworms crawling in my ears, and (b) the
fact that you can't drink (or at least have to limit your drinking)
before the dive, which impacts my wine consumption with dinner (not to
mention utterly ruining happy hour) unless we can eat late.  If Janna
had her druthers, she'd make me night dive every night.  Hopefully
we'll strike a reasonable balance between drinking and diving, maybe
three nights at the most.  M

> So I'm easily amused; I must have spent
> at least fifteen minutes doing this.

Basket stars work wonders on the worms too.

> I don't like using any of them for extended periods of time because all
> NSAIDS, as well as a list of drugs as long as my arm, are known to cause
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> primarly on renal problems all day, and I've been doing it for twenty five
> years, thus the apprehension..

There's a study that implicates naproxen in the same sort of heart
problems as Vioxx, and I've seen one recommendation to take it no
longer than 10 successive days for that reason alone.  I take it
because everyone says it's better on your stomach than ibuprofen, yet
I swear it doesn't work on me near as well.

> >>> I would really like to do that, but Sheree and the kids get sea sick,
> >>> and they're not willing to take the risk...can't blame them.

That's too bad.  I still get seasick occasionally, but it's worth it.
If I remember to take my drugs in a timely manner, I'm usually OK.
George Price - 21 Jun 2007 04:02 GMT
>> >>>I guess you will feel comfortable with the ten to twelve divers that
>> >>>were
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>
> At least you can't hear them talk underwater.

>>> It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't say it all the time.  It's
>>> reminiscent of the times we count the times my teenage daughter and her
>>> friends say "like" in a sentence, and make fun of them about it.  As
>>> best I can tell, they use the word "like" as a comma in a sentence.

>> >>>They make you take a class for that?  They did ask us if we wanted to
>> >>>do
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> we'll strike a reasonable balance between drinking and diving, maybe
> three nights at the most.  M

Is that one of those 300 ft multi level dives?  Once in Cozumel, we were on
a boat that some divers were taking a class like that; this one poor woman
couldn't get up for all of the tanks she had.  It's got to be pretty awesome
to go that deep, although I believe 300ft is where it gets dark, or maximum
depth sunlight penetrates.

>>>Does put a damper on Happy Hour.  One day, the guy behind the counter at
>>>Divetech (didn't get his name) was telling some guy, "Good, dive with
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>>>fifteen we didn't drink.  Susan said,"Your favorite beer!" when I put the
>>>bag on the counter...I hope they spread it around.

I did ask Nancy (never did meet her) about tipping.  As most dive ops, she
said that after the diving was done for the trip was customary, unless we
wanted to put something in an envelope for anyone in particular. I told her
we usually had to conserve cash for the tips, or make sure we hit an ATM.
She said we could add it to the bill when we settle up, and they would
distribute it evenly.  She had a good point, in that the people you may not
see filling, and hauling the tanks would get some that way.

>> So I'm easily amused; I must have spent
>> at least fifteen minutes doing this.
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>>> what it was, and the DM told me he didn't know they were in those
>>> waters.

I really wish I had taken a picture of it before it flattened out; it was
quite impressive.  It was very slow moving, so how do they deal with the
worms?

Hugh, have you seen basket stars around the Brac on night dives?

>> I don't like using any of them for extended periods of time because all
>> NSAIDS, as well as a list of drugs as long as my arm, are known to cause
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> because everyone says it's better on your stomach than ibuprofen, yet
> I swear it doesn't work on me near as well.

>>>I've heard it both ways as far as gastritis.   Naproxen has almost no
>>>effect on my stomach, but to reach a therapeutic level, most OTC meds
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>>>listed as 80 mg, and he told me the therapeutic dose was 150-160 mg, and
>>>then he explained why.

Prescription Motrin (ibuprofen)is usually 500mg.  OTC Motrin is 200mg.

The ten day thing?  Something requiring that time period really needs to be
monitored by a physician.  I take naproxen a maximum of three days, but at a
therapeutic level, and it usually causes any joint swelling to go down;  Not
using the effected area helps as well, but we are not always able to oblige
the effected area.

About the public thinks more is better thing?  The last roaring case of
interstitial nephritis I had was a woman that had taken 35 ibuprofen of
whatever brand in the course of 5 days.  That's 1400mg/day, or 1.4
grams/day...I think the public looks at milligrams and thinks it's a small
amount.  This lady came in with a creatinine of 12.  I don't know what you
know of blood work in relation to organ function, but the upper limit of
normal creatinine is 1.3 (used to be 1.5),  I find it interesting that a
drug used to suppress inflammation causes inflammation in the kidney (I'm
sure if I did my physiology research it would be clear), and then they use a
steroid (prednisone) to suppress the immune system to get the inflammation
in the kidney to subside.

When taking any NSAID, drink lots of water to avoid this building up in the
kidneys.

I teach kidney function to everyone from medtech students, to pathology
residents, and the dynamics of kidney function are quite impressive:  Your
entire blood volume of about 5 liters goes through your kidneys in just
under 4 minutes.  In that 5 minutes, 124 mls of that blood is filtered by
about three million glomeruli (balls of leaky capillaries) in both kidneys
into the nephron, where, if your kidneys are functioning normally, all but 1
ml is reabsorbed by the nephron, reabsorbing sodium, potassium, and protein
(albumin-serum) measured in pounds /day.   I still cannot get a clear answer
after 25 years of doing this why a nephrologist will claim that there is
normal kidney function ( meaning creatinine, and BUN (Blood Urea Nitrogen)
levels are normal,....BUT they are spilling grams of protein in their urine,
or have blood in their urine (hematuria).  The last two are hallmarks of
kidney disease, so I still have not had it explained why they still call it
normal kidney function.

Sorry, I'm sure you probably didn't care about all that, but these drugs we
take for inflammation can cause severe kidney damage and I got on a roll.

>> >>> I would really like to do that, but Sheree and the kids get sea sick,
>> >>> and they're not willing to take the risk...can't blame them.
>
> That's too bad.  I still get seasick occasionally, but it's worth it.
> If I remember to take my drugs in a timely manner, I'm usually OK.
Scott - 21 Jun 2007 04:07 GMT
(chainsaw)

Too bad y'all are afraid of a little cold water.

There is diving uphere that makes all that easy tropical stuff look like
oatmeal compared to biscuits and gravy.
George Price - 21 Jun 2007 04:24 GMT
> (chainsaw)
>
> Too bad y'all are afraid of a little cold water.
>
> There is diving uphere that makes all that easy tropical stuff look like
> oatmeal compared to biscuits and gravy.

One of these days, Scott, one of these days!
Scott - 21 Jun 2007 22:30 GMT
> > (chainsaw)
> >
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> >
> One of these days, Scott, one of these days!

All you gotta do is hit SEATAC, the rest is on me.
Grumman-581 - 21 Jun 2007 04:39 GMT
> There is diving uphere that makes all that easy tropical stuff look like
> oatmeal compared to biscuits and gravy.

I'm not sure about your analogy here... I would be hard pressed to say
whether the visibility of diving in oatmeal is that much better / worse
than diving in biscuits and gravy...

That said, I spent today as a non-diving day, driving around SoFL,
showing Kaitlyn some of the sights... She saw quite a few gators, gar, and
other fish in one of the canals in the Everglades... The water there had
better visibility than 99% of the fresh water in Texas... She also found
some sort of snake that was light brown with darker brown diamonds on it
that had a serious attitude... If you even looked at him the wrong way, he
would strike at you... Fast little fart though... When going across the
road, he moves basically sideways... Not sure if he was a native species
or a decendent of someone's pet that they let loose...
Scott - 21 Jun 2007 23:08 GMT
> > There is diving uphere that makes all that easy tropical stuff look like
> > oatmeal compared to biscuits and gravy.
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> road, he moves basically sideways... Not sure if he was a native species
> or a decendent of someone's pet that they let loose...

Diamondback?

If I had a gun screwed into my ear and was asked to explain you I couldnt.

Your women dont deserve you.

Grace is a perfect name for your wife.
Grumman-581 - 21 Jun 2007 23:15 GMT
> Diamondback?

Don't think so... There wasn't any rattles on him...

> Your women dont deserve you.

You're saying that I'm too good for 'em?
Scott - 21 Jun 2007 23:17 GMT
> > Diamondback?

> Don't think so... There wasn't any rattles on him...

> > Your women dont deserve you.

> You're saying that I'm too good for 'em?

Yeah...

That's the ticket.
Chris Guynn - 22 Jun 2007 14:34 GMT
> > > There is diving uphere that makes all that easy tropical stuff look like
> > > oatmeal compared to biscuits and gravy.
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>
> Grace is a perfect name for your wife.

This seems to match the description: http://www.wf.net/~snake/rattlesn.htm
-hh - 21 Jun 2007 12:52 GMT
> Hugh, have you seen basket stars around the Brac on night dives?

I've had a couple of "what the hell is that???"  too ;-)

In retrospect, they were small baskets.  Sounds like Greg saw a huge
one.

BTW, we've shifted our dates back by ~3 weeks for the Brac this year.
Going to be joining up with some old friends, and maybe hit the center
of what Lloyd used to call the seasonal flop for dead water.

-hh
Grumman-581 - 20 Jun 2007 08:16 GMT
> I found the most unusal thing to be the
> long, slow rollers on the trip between
> Cayman Brac and Little Cayman; never
> saw more people get sick than on that
> crossing.

I knew a guy once on the Nimitz that had started out on the smaller ships,
but was transferred because he got seasick... Turns out that even on a
ship as large as the Nimitz (approx 1100 ft long), he could still get
seasick... I seem to remember that the Navy was giving up on him and
giving him a medical discharge... Kind of hard to imagine that someone
could get seasick on a ship as large as the Nimitz...
Greg Mossman - 20 Jun 2007 16:50 GMT
> > I found the most unusal thing to be the
> > long, slow rollers on the trip between
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> giving him a medical discharge... Kind of hard to imagine that someone
> could get seasick on a ship as large as the Nimitz...

I woke up puking on the last day of our 3-day cruise to Ensenada,
which was curious since I hadn't felt the boat move the entire 3 days
what with the size of it and all the stabilizers.  After the nausea
continued while we were lining up to disembark, and I ended up having
to pull over a couple times on the drive home, I realized it wasn't
seasickness, but some norovirus spread by some snotty nosed sick kid.
Now, every time I even consider going on another cruise, I get
nauseous.
George Price - 21 Jun 2007 05:29 GMT
>> > I found the most unusal thing to be the
>> > long, slow rollers on the trip between
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> Now, every time I even consider going on another cruise, I get
> nauseous.

Sorry Greg, this is right down my line.  Don't blame the snotty nosed kid.
Blame the old fart that didn't feel good and went anyway.  The part that's
most disgusting, as most GI viruses are, is that it's oral/fecal
contamination; quite simply people in general don't wash their hands well
after taking a crap.  These viruses range from 35 nm (SMV- in scientific
terms, that's Smooth Round Virus) as in Noro, or Norwalk agent, to the more
common Rotovirus, or Adenovirus serotypes 40 and 41, that are 75 nm in
diameter.  That's 75 billionths of a meter (I HATE the metric system)...put
it this way;  you could put a million of these particles on the sharp end of
a pin, and have room left over.  And you have an infected person spreading
this all over the ship on all of the hand rails, elevator buttons, etc.  The
sad truth is that one can culture fecal coliform, as well as a number of
bacteria (viruses are more difficult and time consuming ) off of ANY
doorknob.  That means the viruses are there.......WASH YOUR HANDS WHENEVER
POSSIBLE!  Try not  to touch your eyes or mouth...and you will be okay,
unless someone is actively coughing out a flu virus (airborne, but can land
on surfaces)

My son got food poisoning on a Carnival cruise; we ate the same things for
breakfast.  By noon, while snorkeling above us on GC, he was not feeling
well.  We thought sea sickness.  After dinner he started puking his guts
out, and of course we all thought we would get it.  No...with that
contamination in the cabin, had it been a Noro virus, we all would have been
sick, but it was only Mark whom got sick,,,food poisoning, most probably
Salmonella, but we ate the same things that morning...who knows?

The last I read is it takes at least five particles to start an infection.
Next time you touch ANYTHING someone else has touched......you are
contaminated.  It's kinds of like the Howard Hughes Syndrome...but in a way
he was right.  You're relying on everyone else to be as vigilant for
contaminating common surfaces, and as I said before..the common public is
plain ignorant of how to use simple hand washing to prevent contamination.
This is drilled into us at the hospital constantly, because people going in
a hospital contract a nonsocial infection (one they did not come with) on a
frequent basis.

I have been looking at these little demons for years, and I cannot look at
my finger and put in perspective how small they really are.
It's why I have a picture of the Andromeda Galaxy hanging on the wall in
from of my transmission electron microscope just to remind me how SMALL we
are.  Andromeda is 2.2 light years away, and I can't even begin to realize
in  my mind how far away that is.  I'm sitting at my microscope looking at a
35 nm viral particle...I can see it, measure it, but just can not put it in
perspective with a visual perspective I can recognize.  I tell people I'm
sitting in a world of things that are so far away, or so small that they
cannot be realized, but at the same time, we have instruments that can
visualize them for us and know they are there.  Picture that.

George
George Price - 21 Jun 2007 04:06 GMT
>> I found the most unusal thing to be the
>> long, slow rollers on the trip between
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> giving him a medical discharge... Kind of hard to imagine that someone
> could get seasick on a ship as large as the Nimitz...

I never even noticed the long rolling waves, but I'm sure even on an
aircraft carrier they get this long, slow, protracted motion that really
gets to people.   They may not even notice it, but the inner ear does,
relays it to the brain, and thus motion sickness.

George
Grumman-581 - 21 Jun 2007 04:30 GMT
> I never even noticed the long rolling waves, but I'm sure even on an
> aircraft carrier they get this long, slow, protracted motion that really
> gets to people.   They may not even notice it, but the inner ear does,
> relays it to the brain, and thus motion sickness.

Yeah, it's a very long, slow, protracted motion... I never had a problem
with it (although I have done my share of feeding the fishes if I ate the
wrong thing before getting on a dive boat in 6 ft seas)... Some people
don't have a problem with the smaller ships (destroyers, frigates, etc),
but have a problem with aircraft carriers... IIRC, the point of no return
on a Nimitz class aircraft carrier is about 15 degrees (from vertical)...
Anything more than that and it will continue to roll over... It takes a
lot to get it anywhere close to that... Even travelling at a flank bell
and throwing the wheel all the way to one side is not supposed to case
that much of a roll... On the destroyers, I believe that the point of no
return was 55 degrees... One guy that I knew said that when he had
previously served on one, they were doing 45 degree rolls while coming
back into Norfolk after a cruise... Storm system and they were lightly
loaded had a lot to do with it... The rolls are a bit faster on the
smaller ships, of course... Even on the Nimitz, I found that when I got
back in port and stepped back on dry ground, it felt like the ground was
moving...
-hh - 20 Jun 2007 12:50 GMT
> "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote>
>
> >>>They make you take a class for that?  They did ask us if we wanted to do
> >>>a night dive, but they never mentioned having to take a class.

Standards change...usually in the direction of your wallet.  One of
the things that is taught in the "Special Advanced Night
Diving" (SAND) are the special signals that are required.

For example:

Accepted Signal for Bad Light (NED)

"The accepted signal for indicating a failed light is to move it back
and
forth while pointing it within the view of one's buddy until the
buddy
doesn't notice it."

 - courtesy of Instructor Bell

> Back in the late 80's we did our first night dive on the Oro Verde wreck in
> 50ft of water on a Soto's cattle boat.  The only warning we were given was
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> sea wasp, and she likened it to being stung by three wasps in the same
> place, and the pain intensity lasted for three hours.

Conditions can vary, and of course, divers can either take sensible
precautions (such as blowing a hole with an octopus purge), or do
utterly stupid things that make a bad night substantially worse:

http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2005/brac/sea_wasps.jpg

> Every time we were about to do a night dive, I had to stop and think; this
> is insane diving at night with a flashlight.

On my first night dive, my "mentor" had both of his lights
malfunction, but didn't indicate this to me, so I thought that turning
our lights off was one of the things you're supposed to do on a night
dive.  Glad that that happened, as it is fun & interesting  to go
stealth.

> ... there are ... things you have to do.
>
> First, feed the coral.
>
> Second, get settled on the bottom in the sand, and turn off your light.

Third, while in darked-out stealth mode, go pull on a friend's
flipper.  Expect revenge.

Fourth,  take down a honking huge light and use it to attract a
million polycetes (sic).  Stealthily swim slowly over to a friend who
never turns off his light to "share" the cloud with him, and shut off
your lights & swim away.   "Tag, you're it!".

Fifth, spend some time with a *very* small & "weak" light, looking for
small macro stuff, especially various forms of shrimp.  They'll
usually be quite light-shy, so work your light at odd & low angles,
such as what you might do to try to find a lost contact lens.

Sixth, if you encounter vertigo/orientation problems on a night dive,
before you go next time, rig up a light on a lanyard that can be
hooked off and points straight down.  This can help to create a
reference plain for you.

Seventh, if your DM says he's using an UW strobe to help you relocate
the diveboat, expect said light to be irritating at the beginning of
your dive, but then fail 10 minutes before you want it at the end of
your dive.

> >>> I would really like to do that, but Sheree and the kids get sea sick,
> >>> and they're not willing to take the risk...can't blame them.
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> long, slow rollers on the trip between Cayman Brac and Little Cayman; never
> saw more people get sick than on that crossing.

Try a 10m sailboat some time :-)

In general, I've not really noticed all that many people chowdering on
the Bogue (Brac-Little crossing), although a good number do use the
normal tricks:  stick your head out in the breeze, keep standing,
etc.  To a certain degree, I think that it can be a self-fulfilling
attitude at times, although one's choice for breakfast can also play a
part:  I tend to avoid a heavy greasy breakfast if it looks like its
going to be a rough day...IMO, pancakes are stomach sponges :-)

> >> I used this site the most:  http://www.caymanweather.com/
> >> Pay no attention to the top part with wave height; that's for out to sea.
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> > sound a bit high for otherwise calm conditions, so I figured (hoped)
> > they weren't the same on the north wall.  It should be perfect.

Its a useful site.  Looking at today's weather, the easterlies suggest
better conditions on the west than the north.  The winds then shift
southwards, around to be more to the SE, which will make the north
walls be in the island's lee...probably be just light chop, with some
longitudinal currents.

-hh
Scott - 20 Jun 2007 15:05 GMT
> Third, while in darked-out stealth mode, go pull on a friend's
> flipper.  Expect revenge.
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> your dive, but then fail 10 minutes before you want it at the end of
> your dive.

You are an evil man, Hugh.

If you ever manage to get up this way I'll take you on a night dive that
will rock your world, with no dirty tricks.

Wait till a 16 to 21 foot octopus takes a shine to you.
-hh - 20 Jun 2007 21:31 GMT
> You are an evil man, Hugh.

Aw..cmon!  They were all useful training tips:

#3 is "Don't be afraid of the dark"

#4 is "a submersible aircraft landing light isn't always a good thing"

#5 is a way to find macro critters...this method helps their eyes
twinkle

#6 is also useful if your two hands are full with camera gear

#7 is simply an application of Murphy's Law

> If you ever manage to get up this way I'll take you on a night dive that
> will rock your world, with no dirty tricks.
>
> Wait till a 16 to 21 foot octopus takes a shine to you.

It is going to happen, one of these years.  This year is pretty much
blown, again, due to some "not fun" family stuff that's taking up
heaping buckets of our time and strength; just been to (and also
missed) too many "Memorial Services" over the past ~15 months.

-hh
Scott - 20 Jun 2007 22:59 GMT
> It is going to happen, one of these years.  This year is pretty much
> blown, again, due to some "not fun" family stuff that's taking up
> heaping buckets of our time and strength; just been to (and also
> missed) too many "Memorial Services" over the past ~15 months.

Me too.

(oops)

Just had one of my brothers show up with the kids (14 and 16) with a bad
exhaust valve in his heart.

Lost his job, lost his home, and is going to move in with us as he goes
through the open heart surgery and recovery.

Crew Chief on B52s.

If he was a wetback it would be no problem. Maybe Mossman would take him and
the kids on.

Because he is a veteran, legal citizen and has children, there is nothing
available for him except Uncle Scott, "Social Security" and the VA, and
"Social Security" and the VA is going to take 6 months. Otherwise he dies in
his sleep.
George Price - 21 Jun 2007 05:46 GMT
>> You are an evil man, Hugh.
>
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>
> -hh
George Price - 21 Jun 2007 05:45 GMT
>> Third, while in darked-out stealth mode, go pull on a friend's
>> flipper.  Expect revenge.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Wait till a 16 to 21 foot octopus takes a shine to you.

No sh.t?  I would love to get a piture of one of those!

George
Scott - 21 Jun 2007 15:26 GMT
> > You are an evil man, Hugh.
> >
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> >
> No sh.t?  I would love to get a piture of one of those!

Ping me and I'll send you one (a picture).
George Price - 21 Jun 2007 05:52 GMT
Remind me to never go on a night dive with you.

George

>> Third, while in darked-out stealth mode, go pull on a friend's
>> flipper.  Expect revenge.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Wait till a 16 to 21 foot octopus takes a shine to you.
Greg Mossman - 20 Jun 2007 16:56 GMT
> Its a useful site.  Looking at today's weather, the easterlies suggest
> better conditions on the west than the north.  The winds then shift
> southwards, around to be more to the SE, which will make the north
> walls be in the island's lee...probably be just light chop, with some
> longitudinal currents.

I could use some good weather to cheer me up.  Right now, I'm
extremely bummed out since the sync cords that were ordered from
Ikelight, and were supposed to arrive yesterday according to my photo
vendor, didn't show up.  It's not really worth lugging my new camera
setup without being able to use the strobes, so unless I get lucky
today before we have to leave for the airport, I'm not a happy
traveler.
George Price - 21 Jun 2007 05:42 GMT
>> "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote>
>>
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> buddy
> doesn't notice it."

>>>That's a good one, providing it has not already failed, whis what you
>>>point to was.
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> usually be quite light-shy, so work your light at odd & low angles,
> such as what you might do to try to find a lost contact lens

> Sixth, if you encounter vertigo/orientation problems on a night dive,
> before you go next time, rig up a light on a lanyard that can be
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Try a 10m sailboat some time :-)

>>> The wave motion doesn't bother me as long as I have visual on where I'm
>>> going.

> In general, I've not really noticed all that many people chowdering on
> the Bogue (Brac-Little crossing), although a good number do use the
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> -hh
George Price and Sheree Price - 22 Jun 2007 02:21 GMT
>> "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote>
>>
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> Third, while in darked-out stealth mode, go pull on a friend's
> flipper.  Expect revenge.

Ooohhh.  Thats nasty!

> Fourth,  take down a honking huge light and use it to attract a
> million polycetes (sic).  Stealthily swim slowly over to a friend who
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>
> -hh
 
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