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Bob Soto/Grand Cayman

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NJDiver - 14 Jun 2007 14:57 GMT
I understand that Bob Soto scuba is no longer in operation.  Anyone
know what happened?
-hh - 14 Jun 2007 22:27 GMT
> I understand that Bob Soto scuba is no longer in operation.  Anyone
> know what happened?

Dang, Google ate another one.

Bob Soto's was bought out by Dan Tibbetts' "Reef Divers" a few years
ago.

Reef Divers is the dive concession at Little Cayman Beach Resort
(LCBR) and Brac Reef Beach Resort (BRBR).

    The short Ivan/Cayman history:

    Ivan was projected to hit the Sister Islands.
    Most Sister Dive Ops evacuated their boats to Grand
    Ivan swerved west & whacked Grand Cayman.
    Lots of diveboats trashed in Grand; not in Sister.
    Sister Islands Dive Ops say "oops!".

For Reef Divers, they had a collection of semi-broken and broken boats
from 3 dive operations, and two dive ops that survived in good shape
(LCBR & BRBR).  Those boats that could be put back into service were
done so and moved to LCBR & BRBR to resume operations as quickly as
possible.

Soto's on Grand didn't have any infrastructure to support having
boats, so it remained closed, awaiting new boats, a new shop and the
island's hotel infrastructure to be rebuilt so as to have a customer
base.

A year ago, Grand Cayman really wan't "back".  Then in June '06, owner
Danny Tibbetts dies suddenly (apparent heart attack).  As such, the
plans for how to proceed with Soto have probably been forgotten and/or
fallen by the wayside.

I expect to see Jason in a couple of months; I'll ask him what his
thoughts are and maybe get the full scoop on what they are planning.
>From what I understand, they're running a pretty full house, so they
may simply be too busy to be thinking about expanding elsewhere.

-hh
NJDiver - 15 Jun 2007 16:13 GMT
> > I understand that Bob Soto scuba is no longer in operation.  Anyone
> > know what happened?
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>
> -hh

What a waste of a great trade name.
George Price - 18 Jun 2007 04:52 GMT
Hugh,

Hmmm, maybe that was the non-response I got from Divetech when I asked if
Ron Kipp had bought Soto's years ago?  I was directed to him by Nancy or
someone willing to do a personal video shoot.  $500 was way to steep from
Ron.

George

>> I understand that Bob Soto scuba is no longer in operation.  Anyone
>> know what happened?
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>
> -hh
-hh - 18 Jun 2007 11:35 GMT
> Hmmm, maybe that was the non-response I got from Divetech when I asked if
> Ron Kipp had bought Soto's years ago?  I was directed to him by Nancy or
> someone willing to do a personal video shoot.

Ron Kipp bought Bob Soto's way back in 1980 ("Ron Kipp's Bob Soto's
Diving").  Ron then sold to Danny Tibbetts in 2003 (back to just "Bob
Soto's Diving"). Ivan hit in September 2004 and Soto's was closed in
early 2005, then in June 2006, Dan died of an apparent heart attack
while on Little Cayman.

> $500 was way to steep from Ron.

Agreed.  Overall, this was merely a symptom of how the market has
changed over the years with Grand Cayman in particular:  they've been
slowly-but-surely trying to go "Upscale" and have been getting rid of
the affordable accomodations that brought in the middle class as
overnight stays.  The Magnificant Dive Dump, Holiday Inn, Enterprise
B&B, etc, plus those that were then brought down by Ivan (Seaview;
etc).  Reportedly, Coconut Harbor was being rebuilt, but I'm not seen
any obvious news that it has reopened (and is still affordable).

Of course, the fallacy with Cayman taking this strategy of "attracting
millionaires will save us!" is that millionaires don't fill 100 or 500
rooms every week.  IIRC, Peter Hearl (of Pizza Hut) had owned a house
(waterfront on Bloody Bay in Little Cayman), yet probably spent less
than a week per month on-island, which results in pretty much a part
time job for *ONE* gardener and a part time job for *ONE* maid.  I
knew the one dive person who was responsible for maintaining the
divegear - they got perhaps 1-12 man-months worth of business over a
period of 10 years (~2% utilization).  The only party who gets rich
off of this sort of deal was the real estate developer, and a builder
for 6 months ... its hard to call building a bunch of big houses
sitting around empty to be "sustainable" development.

-hh
Indigo - 22 Jun 2007 16:31 GMT
> Ron Kipp bought Bob Soto's way back in 1980 ("Ron Kipp's Bob Soto's
> Diving").  Ron then sold to Danny Tibbetts in 2003 (back to just "Bob
> Soto's Diving"). Ivan hit in September 2004 and Soto's was closed in
> early 2005, then in June 2006, Dan died of an apparent heart attack
> while on Little Cayman.

FWIW, Ron Kipp kept the rights to the dive operations at the Seaview, which
he then sub-leased to various people including Dan and Tara (formerly with
DiveTech). I don't know where that stands now, after Ivan. I do know that
the Seaview was up for sale and had a firm offer, but that it fell through.
Coconut Telegraph says Dan Tibbets was the buyer, but I can't confirm that.

I'm sorry to hear that he's passed away, but I know he had health problems
including at least one stroke. The name of his personal boat? The Lucky
Stroke. I always found him to be easy to co-operate with when I worked at
the Southern Cross Club.

How are you making out with the time-share troubles on the Brac?
-hh - 22 Jun 2007 21:23 GMT
Hey Ian!  Been awhile.

BTW, don't know if you had caught this Little Cayman news from
November 2004:

http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2004/little_cayman/square_grouper-small.jpg

> FWIW, Ron Kipp kept the rights to the dive operations at the Seaview, which
> he then sub-leased to various people including Dan and Tara (formerly with
> DiveTech). I don't know where that stands now, after Ivan. I do know that
> the Seaview was up for sale and had a firm offer, but that it fell through.
> Coconut Telegraph says Dan Tibbets was the buyer, but I can't confirm that.

Maybe it can be heard on Marl Road...

> I'm sorry to hear that he's passed away, but I know he had health problems
> including at least one stroke. The name of his personal boat? The Lucky
> Stroke. I always found him to be easy to co-operate with when I worked at
> the Southern Cross Club.

Ouch!  I had forgotten about his stroke.   Years ago, I was a bit
resentful with the way that he turned out Winston on his ear at
BRBR...until I learned more about Winston and the way that he ran Brac
Aquatics (such as stiffing Dan Volker on a paycheck, etc).  In
hindsight, it was the proper business move to have made, and without
it, BRBR would have been even less viable than Divi.

> How are you making out with the time-share troubles on the Brac?

Its currently stable, with a long, slow lingering death likely to
follow.

Divi Resorts appears to be utterly committed to minimizing their
financial obligations and liabilities, regardless of how much bad
press and ill will it generates, and regardless of how many business
opportunities they choose to turn away.  Its pretty obvious that
they're determined to make the case of a "clean" set of books with no
ambiguities (all trades in have been banned) so as to trty to make it
all a slam-dunk bankrupcy proceeding.    This will probably take them
~3 years, or however long the relevant laws require for document
retention.  Bottom line is that their books were obviously such an
utter mess, they've really had no clue on their financial picture for
a decade.

The good news is that Bldg#2 is finally under reconstruction (gosh,
only took them 4 years) with materials that were shipped in 2 years
ago.

Thus, we expect to actually be in our contracted unit this
year...first time since 2002.   Supposedly, they're then going to shut
down Bldg#1 and "fix" the deficiencies that were made in its 2006
reconstruction - the specifics are here that the changes they made
were clearly in violation of building code for hurricane protection.

Of course, the Caymanian government lacked the backbone to shut them
down, since we could have then nailed them to the tree for clear
breach of contract, but the more that we learn about Caymanian law,
how it gets locally applied, and local politics, the less we like it
and the more grateful we become for having passed on buying a couple
of houses that had been offered to us.  Overall, Cayman may be a nice
place to visit, but I'd disinclined from ever making an investment
there...one of the things that we've learned with the Divi Tiara
timeshares is that there's no consumer protection laws.

Nevertheless, we figure that the Divi Tiara "ride" has a few more
years in it before Divi effectively folds up shop.  We will persist in
being a thorn in their side, due to our 2/624th interest claims on
their assets, but also because they have caused us so much emotional
pain due to just how grossly incompetent their management has been to
have to watch.  For actual diving, we'll probably then shift back over
to LC a bit, although since we got a copy of "1000 places to see
before you die", there's a lot of other places in the world to sample
that are just as "easy" of an airline connection.

-hh

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