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Scuba Forum / General / June 2007For what it's worth...
Man armed with knife kills 10 in Philippines 7 children among victims in bizarre attack on family, neighbors, mourners http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18992200/ -- Galen Hekhuis ghekhuis@earthlink.net Guns don't kill people, religions do > Man armed with knife kills 10 in Philippines > 7 children among victims in bizarre attack on family, neighbors, > mourners > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18992200/ That is *so* f.cked up. Just beyond words. Wounded 14. Killed 10. My heart and soul are just in the dumps. f.ck. > That is *so* f.cked up. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Killed 10. Damn, imagine how many he could have killed or wounded if he hadn't had to stop to reload... > Man armed with knife kills 10 in Philippines > 7 children among victims in bizarre attack on family, neighbors, > mourners Lucky he didn't have a gun. >>Man armed with knife kills 10 in Philippines >>7 children among victims in bizarre attack on family, neighbors, >>mourners > > Lucky he didn't have a gun. Unfortunate one of his victims didn't. >>>Man armed with knife kills 10 in Philippines >>>7 children among victims in bizarre attack on family, neighbors, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Unfortunate one of his victims didn't. Yea you gotta love gun control > >>>Man armed with knife kills 10 in Philippines > >>>7 children among victims in bizarre attack on family, neighbors, > >>>mourners > >> Lucky he didn't have a gun. f.cking moron. > >Unfortunate one of his victims didn't. Bingo. > Yea you gotta love gun control. We had a spun-out, meth crazed junkie walk into our house the other night. We were on the couch nodding off with the TV going, and I heard the front door open. Normally, I dont lock my door, many of our friends know they are welcome here any hour of the day or night, and know our dogs. I go to the kitchen, and here is this a.shole that I recognize from several prior incidents, including shoplifting from the dive shop, and he is 30 feet into our house, and not welcome to be in my home, ever. I told him to get the f.ck out, put my hands on him and spun him around and pointed him towards the door (I have about 60 pounds on the guy), he turns back around and squares off with me. At that moment, my male Akita, Hansamu, comes in at my side. My pistol is in a drawer, 3 feet from my hand. Not only did he not get shot, beaten or bit, he hauled a.s. Thanks be to God. I called 911. He hauls a.s for the waterline, runs down the beach until he gets to a drainage culvert that runs *under* the highway, crawls through that and pops up through the manhole cover, on camera at the gas station, hauls a.s into the woods and escapes. Turns out he came into our house *because* he was running from the cops. The local deputy, who is a good friend of ours and stops by often for coffee and a head break, was after the guy. Deputy was driving by, sees said a.shole and 3 other well known a.sholes at the gas station, wheels it on them and dickhead #1 rabbits. He stays with the other 3, calls backup, and hooks em up. These 4 have been burglarizing house in the area for 2 weeks, and were trying to steal a tank of gasoline. This cocksucker #1 is on parole, well known to every cop for 50 miles. He trades his tribe issued methadone for methamphetamine on the rez. What he did when he entered our home is criminal trespass. A felony. The cops were elated that he walked into my house, because for once, he did it to someone that can finger him. I just learned that the tribal court isn't going to do anything about it, because he was 3 days from finishing his parole. The DA will likely not press charges because the county cant afford to take on the tribe. All the tribes around here have casino's and all contribute to a legal fund that is available to all tribal members, which means they have an unlimited budget for a lawyer if one of them does sh.t like burglaries, criminal trespass, etc. In spite of, and because of, the ignorance illustrated here daily, dickhead didn't get shot, the gun was not the first thing I turned to, and as always the crook walks away. We lock our door now, and next time I will shoot the son of a bitch. <snip> >We lock our door now, and next time I will shoot the son of a bitch. Course you know then some of the folks here and elsewhere will then blame you because you didn't put a sign up saying "do not enter" > >We lock our door now, and next time I will shoot the son of a bitch. > Course you know then some of the folks here and elsewhere will then > blame you because you didn't put a sign up saying "do not enter" "Laid in wait." > > >We lock our door now, and next time I will shoot the son of a bitch. > > > Course you know then some of the folks here and elsewhere will then > > blame you because you didn't put a sign up saying "do not enter" > > "Laid in wait." Still, since yopu did show compassion and mercy in not shooting him, folks can't call you mean & heartless anymore - at least not legitimately. Dennis > Still, since yopu did show compassion and mercy in not shooting him, folks > can't call you mean & heartless anymore - at least not legitimately. Waving a shiney bangtoy. >> >>>Man armed with knife kills 10 in Philippines >> >>>7 children among victims in bizarre attack on family, neighbors, [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > >We lock our door now, and next time I will shoot the son of a bitch. He should go to church this Sunday and thank God the Merciful. Hansamu should have left you with nothing to shoot. My story (well, kind of mine). As many of you know, I shoot practical. Well, one of the guys in my club, along with his wife, teaches the Refuse to be a Vicitm class. His refusal includes carrying in his house. Two years ago, Karl's door got kicked in about 10:30 by four armed men. Karl and Penny drew and killed all four in less than 10 seconds. The four guys had been wanted for several other home invasions in the previous months. I now carry at home. As do many of my neighbors. We are a well armed neighborhood.  Signaturedillon The pen may be mightier than the sword, but I've never seen a .sig beat a Sig. > He should go to church this Sunday and thank God the Merciful. Hansamu > should have left you with nothing to shoot. He isnt smart enough to go to church. > My story (well, kind of mine). As many of you know, I shoot > practical. Well, one of the guys in my club, along with his wife, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Two years ago, Karl's door got kicked in about 10:30 by four armed > men. Karl and Penny drew and killed all four in less than 10 seconds. They should be up for a community service award. > The four guys had been wanted for several other home invasions in the > previous months. How boringly typical. > I now carry at home. As do many of my neighbors. We are a well armed > neighborhood. Just bought a neat little deerskin inside-the-belt-holster for the Beretta. <snip> > My story (well, kind of mine). As many of you know, I shoot > practical. Well, one of the guys in my club, along with his wife, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I now carry at home. As do many of my neighbors. We are a well armed > neighborhood. My congratulations to Karl & Penny for their public service. I expect someone'll chime in about how they were "lying in wait" though, accusing 'em of ambushing the invaders. SignatureDennis "For instance, on planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on, while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were more intelligent than man, for precisely the same reasons." --Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, chapter 23. On Jun 12, 8:08 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I expect someone'll chime in about how they were "lying in wait" though, > accusing 'em of ambushing the invaders. My first thought was that the four invaders must have been pretty inept with their guns if in 10 seconds none of them was able to return fire effectively. I guess they just don't get the same kind of armed combat training that law abiding citizens get. JF > On Jun 12, 8:08 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > fire effectively. I guess they just don't get the same kind of armed > combat training that law abiding citizens get. My first thought was that I was glad only the crooks got hurt. Note that he didn't say how the invaders were armed. Perhaps golf clubs? SignatureDennis "For instance, on planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on, while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were more intelligent than man, for precisely the same reasons." --Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, chapter 23. On Jun 12, 7:56 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > > On Jun 12, 8:08 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > My first thought was that I was glad only the crooks got hurt. > Note that he didn't say how the invaders were armed. Perhaps golf clubs? Or pillows. > On Jun 12, 8:08 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > inept with their guns if in 10 seconds none of them was able to return > fire effectively. I like how you always arbitrarily decide how criminals are smart or stupid to fit your purpose. >I guess they just don't get the same kind of armed > combat training that law abiding citizens get. I'd give you credit for having -one- logical thought, finally, in 2007, but you'll forget it by tomorrow. > JF Signature-- > John says I'm a blusterer, a noisy gasbag. Bingo. > How'd you like to report on that to him > personally? I get up your way all the time now. I'll have to call some friends in customs. You've bragged many times about having a record, right? -Yesman Mike "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com On Jun 14, 1:26 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > On Jun 12, 8:08 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I like how you always arbitrarily decide how criminals are smart or stupid > to fit your purpose. You don't think there are smart crooks and stupid crooks? Isn't that pretty naive in this day and age? > >I guess they just don't get the same kind of armed > > combat training that law abiding citizens get. > > I'd give you credit for having -one- logical thought, finally, in 2007, > but you'll forget it by tomorrow. Some of your blarney makes sense. 8) JF > On Jun 14, 1:26 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: >> >> > My story (well, kind of mine). As many of you know, I shoot >> >> > practical. Well, one of the guys in my club, along with his wife, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > You don't think there are smart crooks and stupid crooks? That's not what I said, but, yet another example of the word twisting you constantly wail about. Thanks. >Isn't that pretty naive in this day and age? Assigning such values arbitrarily? Yes, but, we've highlighted your plan to rely on the benevolence of felons for years. >> >I guess they just don't get the same kind of armed >> > combat training that law abiding citizens get. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > JF Signature-- > John says I'm a blusterer, a noisy gasbag. Bingo. > How'd you like to report on that to him > personally? I get up your way all the time now. I'll have to call some friends in customs. You've bragged many times about having a record, right? -Yesman Mike "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com > My congratulations to Karl & Penny for their public service. > I expect someone'll chime in about how they were "lying in wait" though, > accusing 'em of ambushing the invaders. Or how "we don't have to be afraid to be unarmed in our homes" or some other such pap. > > My congratulations to Karl & Penny for their public service. > > I expect someone'll chime in about how they were "lying in wait" though, > > accusing 'em of ambushing the invaders. > > Or how "we don't have to be afraid to be unarmed in our homes" or some other > such pap. Most Canadians aren't afraid to be unarmed in their homes. I'm curious as to how you manage to twist that simple and patent fact into "pap". Of course if your mind is closed to anything but your own beliefs (and fears) then you'll never be able to truly understand the meaning of freedom, a concept you obviously hold in high regard. JF > > "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > fears) then you'll never be able to truly understand the meaning of > freedom, a concept you obviously hold in high regard. Here's yet another reason to be unarmed when at home: "Everything indicates it was just a freak accident. She apparently sleeps with a weapon under her pillow, and somehow it discharged." Ya gotta hate those nocturnal discharges! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070612/ap_on_fe_st/odd_officer_pillow_shot;_ylt=Ari HXOEMos4Ejbh7sFzqzQ0uQE4F > > > "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > "Everything indicates it was just a freak accident. She apparently > sleeps with a weapon under her pillow, and somehow it discharged." This would be the spot where Dennis would ask "How do you know it wasn't the pillow that discharged?" > Ya gotta hate those nocturnal discharges! Don't they have little gun Depens or something? JF > > > > "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > This would be the spot where Dennis would ask "How do you know it > wasn't the pillow that discharged?" Maybe it was the tooth fairy that dunnit. That's why they don't let fairies in the military. No burst control. > > > > "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > This would be the spot where Dennis would ask "How do you know it > wasn't the pillow that discharged?" I've never heard of .40 calibre pistols Dennis On Jun 12, 11:00 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > > > > > "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > I've never heard of .40 calibre pistols Ah, but 12 gauge pillows, find me a cite to disprove their existance? JF > On Jun 12, 11:00 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Ah, but 12 gauge pillows, find me a cite to disprove their existance? Of course, I meant pillows. :-) Dennis On Jun 13, 12:00 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > > On Jun 12, 11:00 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Of course, I meant pillows. :-) But Doug would call that a "scurry" if one of us bad guys said it, wouldn't he? Should we allow a double standard? Don't worry about it. Us gungrabbers are a kinder, gentler sort. 8) JF > On Jun 13, 12:00 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: > > > > > On Jun 12, 11:00 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > > > wrote: > > > > "JOF" <jofran...@gmail.com> wrote in message <snip> > > > > > This would be the spot where Dennis would ask "How do you know it > > > > > wasn't the pillow that discharged?" [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > But Doug would call that a "scurry" if one of us bad guys said it, > wouldn't he? Should we allow a double standard? No, he wouldn't, since the idea that a pillow could discharge implies that it'd be possible, and as I said, I've never heard of .40 calibre pillows. I doubt he has either but he can answer for himself. Dennis > No, he wouldn't, since the idea that a pillow could discharge implies that > it'd be possible, and as I said, I've never heard of .40 calibre pillows. > I doubt he has either but he can answer for himself. "Allow a double standard." Hilarious coming from that idiot. > On Jun 13, 12:00 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> >> > > > > > >news:5aa0$466e7d6e$1860878d$484@KNOLOGY.NET... >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Don't worry about it. Us gungrabbers are a kinder, gentler sort. 8) You're well trained in what a "scurry" is, having already performed on in this very thread, and to the point where you've previously announced your own. Signature-- > John says I'm a blusterer, a noisy gasbag. Bingo. > How'd you like to report on that to him > personally? I get up your way all the time now. I'll have to call some friends in customs. You've bragged many times about having a record, right? -Yesman Mike "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com On Jun 14, 1:34 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > On Jun 13, 12:00 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > >> > > > > > >news:5aa0$466e7d6e$1860878d$484@KNOLOGY.NET... [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > this very thread, and to the point where you've previously announced your > own. A rare meeting of the minds then? JF > On Jun 14, 1:34 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" >> >> > > > > > > > My congratulations to Karl & Penny for their public >> >> > > > > > > > service. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > A rare meeting of the minds then? Hardly. There's no scurry above. Signature-- > John says I'm a blusterer, a noisy gasbag. Bingo. > How'd you like to report on that to him > personally? I get up your way all the time now. I'll have to call some friends in customs. You've bragged many times about having a record, right? -Yesman Mike "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com On Jun 12, 8:00 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > > This would be the spot where Dennis would ask "How do you know it > > wasn't the pillow that discharged?" > > I've never heard of .40 calibre pistols The original article says "Adams was lying in bed when a .40 caliber Smith & Wesson she kept under her pillow discharged and struck her in her left wrist, Dougherty County Police Chief Don Cheek said." http://albanyherald.net/front.html#offi Military and Police - Smith & Wesson M&P .40 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=1 1101&storeId=10001&productId=27806&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15711&isFirearm= Y > On Jun 12, 8:00 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Smith & Wesson she kept under her pillow discharged and struck her in > her left wrist, Dougherty County Police Chief Don Cheek said." I meant pillows. :-) Dennis >> > > "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > This would be the spot where Dennis would ask "How do you know it > wasn't the pillow that discharged?" It's pretty funny that for all the times Dennis has beaten you into a scurry, never once stooping to your vitriolic level and mine, that this is the best you can do. >> Ya gotta hate those nocturnal discharges! > > Don't they have little gun Depens or something? > > JF Signature-- > John says I'm a blusterer, a noisy gasbag. Bingo. > How'd you like to report on that to him > personally? I get up your way all the time now. I'll have to call some friends in customs. You've bragged many times about having a record, right? -Yesman Mike "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com > > > "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Ya gotta hate those nocturnal discharges! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070612/ap_on_fe_st/odd_officer_pillow_shot;_ylt=Ari HXOEMos4Ejbh7sFzqzQ0uQE4F I'm surprised you missed this story http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070612/ap_on_re_us/baseball_bat_killing_1 Best call for controls on baseball bats and metal rods. This one involved a strangulation. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070609/ap_on_re_us/missing_teen_70 Here, the cops used guns to stop a woman with a knife. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070612/ap_on_re_us/officer_shooting_vegas;_ylt=AiMp weWqz1m5Z9.x3q3MJpFvzwcF "Officers used pepper spray, Taser stun guns and beanbag shotgun rounds to try to subdue the woman, but with no visible effect,said Officer Jose Montoya, a Las Vegas police spokesman." Good thing they had guns, eh? Dennis On Jun 12, 8:12 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > I'm surprised you missed this storyhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070612/ap_on_re_us/baseball_bat_killing_1 > > Best call for controls on baseball bats and metal rods. That couldn't have happened. Missouri is a shall-issue state and therefore crime free. Of course the kid victim was 17, and probably not allowed to get a concealed permit in even the most lenient jurisdiction. Do you think less gun control would have helped him? But it's good they didn't have guns, allowing one of the victims to survive. > This one involved a strangulation.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070609/ap_on_re_us/missing_teen_70 Kansas? Another shall-issue state. At least she was 18. Why didn't she have a gun? > Here, the cops used guns to stop a woman with a knife.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070612/ap_on_re_us/officer_shooting_vega... > "Officers used pepper spray, Taser stun guns and beanbag shotgun rounds to > try to subdue the woman, but with no visible effect,said Officer Jose > Montoya, a Las Vegas police spokesman." > > Good thing they had guns, eh? Did I ever suggest disarming the police? You just illustrated the one and only situation where guns should be permitted, i.e. in the hands of the police that are trained to protect and serve. And I'm surprised on another level you gave me such good ammo: "'She tried twice to get into two different vehicles showing the knife,' Montoya said." Good thing she didn't have a gun, eh? "Officers were first called to a report of a woman throwing chairs in a Jack In The Box restaurant, Montoya said. No customers or police officers were hurt." Yep, good thing she didn't have a gun and didn't act like this guy: "Huberty used a 9mm Uzi semi-automatic (the primary weapon fired in the massacre), a Winchester pump-action twelve-gauge shotgun, and a 9mm Browning HP in the [McDonalds] restaurant, killing 21 people and wounding 19 others." > On Jun 12, 8:12 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > concealed permit in even the most lenient jurisdiction. Do you think > less gun control would have helped him? Sure - might've had the means to defend himself. > But it's good they didn't have guns, allowing one of the victims to > survive. So the death is ok, since a gun wasn't used? > > This one involved a strangulation.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070609/ap_on_re_us/missing_teen_7 0 > Kansas? Another shall-issue state. At least she was 18. Why didn't > she have a gun? GCA 1968 - have to be 21 to own a handgun. > > Here, the cops used guns to stop a woman with a knife.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070612/ap_on_re_us/officer_shooting_vega. .. > > "Officers used pepper spray, Taser stun guns and beanbag shotgun rounds to > > try to subdue the woman, but with no visible effect,said Officer Jose [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and only situation where guns should be permitted, i.e. in the hands > of the police that are trained to protect and serve. The police can't be everywhere. > And I'm surprised on another level you gave me such good ammo: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > 9mm Browning HP in the [McDonalds] restaurant, killing 21 people and > wounding 19 others." Too bad the 40 folks didn't have the means to return fire. That was in California, right? And we've already talked about the lack of effectiveness of the "gun-free zone" at Virginia Tech. SignatureDennis "For instance, on planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on, while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were more intelligent than man, for precisely the same reasons." --Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, chapter 23. > Too bad the 40 folks didn't have the means to return fire. > That was in California, right? Too bad Greg and his family werent there. > And we've already talked about the lack of effectiveness of the "gun-free > zone" at Virginia Tech. That was the guns fault. It is always the fault of a simple harmonic mechanism. Not the fault of an ineffective, broken law enforcement and prosecution system. > > Too bad the 40 folks didn't have the means to return fire. > > That was in California, right? > > Too bad Greg and his family werent there. Why, I'm touched. I don't wish you dead, Scott. You're miserable enough already. >> > > "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote in message >> > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Dennis Snakes! Don't forget snakes! Let's outlaw them NOW, before every outlaw gets one! http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?s=6643184 > >> > > "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Snakes! Don't forget snakes! Let's outlaw them NOW, before every outlaw > gets one!http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?s=6643184- Hide quoted text - I'm with you on that one. I hate snakes. JF >>>>>>"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > JF so now we really know the truth - if you hate something or don't like them we outlaw them and get rid of them. I don't think you can be any clearer! > >>"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote in message <snip> > >>Snakes! Don't forget snakes! Let's outlaw them NOW, before every outlaw > >>gets one!http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?s=6643184- Hide quoted text - [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > them we outlaw them and get rid of them. I don't think you can be any > clearer! Or if tis scary, or too powerful, or....... Dennis On Jun 15, 10:08 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > > >>"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Or if tis scary, or too powerful, or....... Are you talking about guns or women now? JF > On Jun 15, 10:08 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Are you talking about guns or women now? Guns. That is what you've advocated banning when they're "scary" or "too powerful". Right? Dennis On Jun 15, 9:13 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > > On Jun 15, 10:08 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > powerful". > Right? If enough influential folks come to a consensus, then it would be the will of the people, right? JF > On Jun 15, 9:13 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > If enough influential folks come to a consensus, then it would be the > will of the people, right? Sure... Like that -nice- registry of yours. ;-) > So which one will you ban and confiscate? I don't know much about the different guns but based on the tv I watch there are lots of automatic weapons out there. In fact I'm sure they're in the majority, certainly in the handgun department. I guess my concern would be with the more easily concealed weapons capable of firing sustained bursts at extreme cycling rates. I think they're often called full auto, but it seems to me that any weapon that chambers another round automatically should probably be called an automatic. <snip> > >> Since you intend to confiscate them, I'm sure you know what I mean. > > Did I say I would confiscate them? > Yes, several times. Delusion. -JOF "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com On Jun 16, 9:51 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > On Jun 15, 9:13 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Like that -nice- registry of yours. ;-) A poor execution of an ill-conceived idea, which doesn't nullify the validity of the underlying premise. It proves your argument about the difficulties in devising a viable system of gun control. JF > On Jun 16, 9:51 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > validity of the underlying premise. It proves your argument about the > difficulties in devising a viable system of gun control. But Damn The Torpedoes, you're ready to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens without justification -today-. > So which one will you ban and confiscate? I don't know much about the different guns but based on the tv I watch there are lots of automatic weapons out there. In fact I'm sure they're in the majority, certainly in the handgun department. I guess my concern would be with the more easily concealed weapons capable of firing sustained bursts at extreme cycling rates. I think they're often called full auto, but it seems to me that any weapon that chambers another round automatically should probably be called an automatic. <snip> > >> Since you intend to confiscate them, I'm sure you know what I mean. > > Did I say I would confiscate them? > Yes, several times. Delusion. -JOF "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com On Jun 16, 11:00 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > On Jun 16, 9:51 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > But Damn The Torpedoes, you're ready to confiscate guns from law abiding > citizens without justification -today-. Only those which have no place in a civilized society should be restricted, those suited only to war and other sundry forms of antisocial mayhem. JF > On Jun 16, 11:00 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > restricted, those suited only to war and other sundry forms of > antisocial mayhem. That's not what you said, and that's not what you said you said. In fact, part of what you said is below in the sig. Pathological liars like you always f.ck yourselves up from poor memory. > So which one will you ban and confiscate? I don't know much about the different guns but based on the tv I watch there are lots of automatic weapons out there. In fact I'm sure they're in the majority, certainly in the handgun department. I guess my concern would be with the more easily concealed weapons capable of firing sustained bursts at extreme cycling rates. I think they're often called full auto, but it seems to me that any weapon that chambers another round automatically should probably be called an automatic. <snip> > >> Since you intend to confiscate them, I'm sure you know what I mean. > > Did I say I would confiscate them? > Yes, several times. Delusion. -JOF "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com On Jun 16, 6:10 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > On Jun 16, 11:00 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > Pathological liars like you always f.ck yourselves up from poor memory. Whatever dude. How are the imaginary people treating you in Dreamworld? JF > On Jun 16, 11:00 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > "JOF" <jofran...@gmail.com> wrote in message <snip> > > > A poor execution of an ill-conceived idea, which doesn't nullify the > > > validity of the underlying premise. It proves your argument about the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > restricted, those suited only to war and other sundry forms of > antisocial mayhem. And these would be......? Do recall the last time you tried to answer that, your definition was so broad that nearly all handguns would've been eliminated. :-) Dennis >> On Jun 16, 11:00 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" >> <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > broad that nearly all handguns would've been eliminated. > :-) That would suit him just fine. Too bad it was accidental. :-) > Dennis > So which one will you ban and confiscate? I don't know much about the different guns but based on the tv I watch there are lots of automatic weapons out there. In fact I'm sure they're in the majority, certainly in the handgun department. I guess my concern would be with the more easily concealed weapons capable of firing sustained bursts at extreme cycling rates. I think they're often called full auto, but it seems to me that any weapon that chambers another round automatically should probably be called an automatic. <snip> > >> Since you intend to confiscate them, I'm sure you know what I mean. > > Did I say I would confiscate them? > Yes, several times. Delusion. -JOF "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com <snip> The diving at Martha's today was pretty good. Clarity was 25' or so. We got there a 9:15 or so and it was packed. There was a dive shop that brought 2, yes 2, ATVs to lug gear up & down the road to the water. Bottom temp was aroun 63F at 40 feet. Dennis > <snip> > The diving at Martha's today was pretty good. Clarity was 25' or so. > We got there a 9:15 or so and it was packed. There was a dive shop that > brought 2, yes 2, ATVs to lug gear up & down the road to the water. > Bottom temp was aroun 63F at 40 feet. How was the Crusher Building? > So which one will you ban and confiscate? I don't know much about the different guns but based on the tv I watch there are lots of automatic weapons out there. In fact I'm sure they're in the majority, certainly in the handgun department. I guess my concern would be with the more easily concealed weapons capable of firing sustained bursts at extreme cycling rates. I think they're often called full auto, but it seems to me that any weapon that chambers another round automatically should probably be called an automatic. <snip> > >> Since you intend to confiscate them, I'm sure you know what I mean. > > Did I say I would confiscate them? > Yes, several times. Delusion. -JOF "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com > > <snip> > > The diving at Martha's today was pretty good. Clarity was 25' or so. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > How was the Crusher Building? Still nicely intact - my bud was fascinated by the crusher machinery. :-) Dennis On Jun 16, 7:19 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > > On Jun 16, 11:00 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Do recall the last time you tried to answer that, your definition was so > broad that nearly all handguns would've been eliminated. And that would be a problem for whom? JF > On Jun 16, 7:19 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > And that would be a problem for whom? Uhmmm....law-abiding citizens who may have to use their firearms for protection? We've covered this before, haven't we? Dennis >> On Jun 16, 7:19 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Dennis He.., uh,... forgets. :-) > So which one will you ban and confiscate? I don't know much about the different guns but based on the tv I watch there are lots of automatic weapons out there. In fact I'm sure they're in the majority, certainly in the handgun department. I guess my concern would be with the more easily concealed weapons capable of firing sustained bursts at extreme cycling rates. I think they're often called full auto, but it seems to me that any weapon that chambers another round automatically should probably be called an automatic. <snip> > >> Since you intend to confiscate them, I'm sure you know what I mean. > > Did I say I would confiscate them? > Yes, several times. Delusion. -JOF "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com <snip> > >> And that would be a problem for whom? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > He.., uh,... forgets. :-) FYI to those reading: please note that Popeye CAN be diplomatic, contrary to the claims of some. Dennis > FYI to those reading: please note that Popeye CAN be diplomatic, contrary to > the claims of some. No one cares what they think anyway. It's a small noise. <snip> > >> > If enough influential folks come to a consensus, then it would be the > >> > will of the people, right? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > But Damn The Torpedoes, you're ready to confiscate guns from law abiding > citizens without justification -today-. Because it is more important that Something Be Done, even if its the wrong things, or ill-conceived, or poorly executed - they Did Something Dennis On Jun 16, 7:17 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Because it is more important that Something Be Done, even if its the wrong > things, or ill-conceived, or poorly executed - they Did Something I was nailed to the cross by your hero for saying almost exactly those words a while back. Are you guys that hypocritical? Is it really just a matter of who's saying it? Don't bother answering. I know you'll be in trouble for being honest. JF > On Jun 16, 7:17 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > a matter of who's saying it? Don't bother answering. I know you'll be > in trouble for being honest. I hate to break this to you, being the scion of reading comprehension that you are, but he's making fun of your previous statement. Maybe if it had been in Latin... You -really- are ill, aren't you? > So which one will you ban and confiscate? I don't know much about the different guns but based on the tv I watch there are lots of automatic weapons out there. In fact I'm sure they're in the majority, certainly in the handgun department. I guess my concern would be with the more easily concealed weapons capable of firing sustained bursts at extreme cycling rates. I think they're often called full auto, but it seems to me that any weapon that chambers another round automatically should probably be called an automatic. <snip> > >> Since you intend to confiscate them, I'm sure you know what I mean. > > Did I say I would confiscate them? > Yes, several times. Delusion. -JOF "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com On Jun 16, 10:42 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > I was nailed to the cross by your hero for saying almost exactly those > > words a while back. Are you guys that hypocritical? Is it really just [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I hate to break this to you, being the scion of reading comprehension that > you are, but he's making fun of your previous statement. I'm surprised that you think Dennis needs you to explain his posts? He's doing all right on his own account, better than you. Perhaps you should ask him for a little help. 8) JF > On Jun 16, 10:42 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I'm surprised that you think Dennis needs you to explain his posts? No, Dennis isn't the one that needs to be led by the hand. > He's doing all right on his own account, better than you. Perhaps you > should ask him for a little help. 8) If you haven't noticed, everyone seems to have to explain posts to you. Even your own. > So which one will you ban and confiscate? I don't know much about the different guns but based on the tv I watch there are lots of automatic weapons out there. In fact I'm sure they're in the majority, certainly in the handgun department. I guess my concern would be with the more easily concealed weapons capable of firing sustained bursts at extreme cycling rates. I think they're often called full auto, but it seems to me that any weapon that chambers another round automatically should probably be called an automatic. <snip> > >> Since you intend to confiscate them, I'm sure you know what I mean. > > Did I say I would confiscate them? > Yes, several times. Delusion. -JOF "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com On Jun 16, 10:58 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > On Jun 16, 10:42 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > If you haven't noticed, everyone seems to have to explain posts to you. Everyone? JF > > On Jun 16, 7:17 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > I hate to break this to you, being the scion of reading comprehension that > you are, but he's making fun of your previous statement. Yes, indeed. > Maybe if it had been in Latin... > > You -really- are ill, aren't you? Dennis > On Jun 16, 7:17 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > a matter of who's saying it? Don't bother answering. I know you'll be > in trouble for being honest. No I won't - I'll honestly say that I was being sarcastic in the above poist I thought you'd realize that, since we did have quite the discussion, where I took the position that its more important to to the right thing, rather than something ill-executed and ill conceived just to say that Something Was Done. It wasn't that long ago, John. Dennis >> > > >> > If enough influential folks come to a consensus, then it would >> > > >> > be [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Dennis He forgets. :-) > So which one will you ban and confiscate? I don't know much about the different guns but based on the tv I watch there are lots of automatic weapons out there. In fact I'm sure they're in the majority, certainly in the handgun department. I guess my concern would be with the more easily concealed weapons capable of firing sustained bursts at extreme cycling rates. I think they're often called full auto, but it seems to me that any weapon that chambers another round automatically should probably be called an automatic. <snip> > >> Since you intend to confiscate them, I'm sure you know what I mean. > > Did I say I would confiscate them? > Yes, several times. Delusion. -JOF "Life is too short to be little. Man is never so manly as when he feels deeply, acts boldly, and expresses himself with frankness and with fervor." ~Benjamin Disraeli~ Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com > On Jun 15, 9:13 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > If enough influential folks come to a consensus, then it would be the > will of the people, right? Only the will of those influential folks. Look at whats happening with immigration "reform". Dennis On Jun 16, 7:15 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > > On Jun 15, 9:13 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Only the will of those influential folks. > Look at whats happening with immigration "reform". Is it better, or worse? JF > On Jun 16, 7:15 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Is it better, or worse? Worse, and even though most of the people polled think what is proposed is wrong, they're still trying to push it through. Dennis On Jun 16, 8:46 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > Worse, and even though most of the people polled think what is proposed is > wrong, they're still trying to push it through. If the people polled got to decide anything, we wouldn't be stuck with Bush and his trillion-dollar war. What do the people polled propose as a solution to the so-called immigration "problem"? > On Jun 16, 8:46 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > What do the people polled propose as a solution to the so-called > immigration "problem"? IIRC, enforce the existing laws. End the "catch and release" program. SignatureDennis "For instance, on planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on, while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were more intelligent than man, for precisely the same reasons." --Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, chapter 23. On Jun 17, 2:37 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > > On Jun 16, 8:46 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > IIRC, enforce the existing laws. End the "catch and release" program. So you'd deport 10 or so million people and make sure they stay deported? How're ya gonna do that when all our resources couldn't even evacuate New Orleans? How're ya gonna fill all the jobs they leave behind? What about mixed families that contains both citizens/ legal residents and illegals? Any proposed "solution" is more problematic than any supposed "problem". But as someone who lives in the heart of the "illegal occupation", and who's seen the poverty they left behind in Mexico, I'm still not sure what all the fuss is about, especially when most of the fussers have probably only seen Mexicans on TV. > So you'd deport 10 or so million people and make sure they stay > deported? How're ya gonna do that when all our resources couldn't > even evacuate New Orleans? How're ya gonna fill all the jobs they > leave behind? What about mixed families that contains both citizens/ > legal residents and illegals? We'll send them back pretty much the same way they came, one at a time. As for mixed families, you're going to have to explain the problem. As far as I know, spouses of US citizens are still allowed and children of US citizens are US citizens themselves. You worried about aunts, uncles, or what? > Any proposed "solution" is more problematic than any supposed > "problem". There is no short term solution, only compliance with the law, as it is written, something you favor when it's to your advantage, but disfavor when it's not. Any solution should start with compliance with the law, followed, if the people so choose, with a change in the laws. > But as someone who lives in the heart of the "illegal occupation", and > who's seen the poverty they left behind in Mexico, I'm still > not sure what all the fuss is about, especially when most of the fussers > have probably only seen Mexicans on TV. Who are you talking about? Surely, you are not claiming that you live in the heart of the illegal occupation. If I had to bet, I'd bet that the Mexicans you're so happy to take advantage of to get what you want for less, aren't so welcome in your neighborhood after dark or am I mistaken. How many of your neighbors have more that one family living in the same home? Lee > Who are you talking about? Surely, you are not claiming that you live in > the heart of the illegal occupation. If I had to bet, I'd bet that the > Mexicans you're so happy to take advantage of to get what you want for less, > aren't so welcome in your neighborhood after dark or am I mistaken. How > many of your neighbors have more that one family living in the same home? <dim the lights, get the Modelo and popcorn> > We'll send them back pretty much the same way they came, one at a time. Sure. One at a time. 10,000,000 times. > As for mixed families, you're going to have to explain the problem. As far > as I know, spouses of US citizens are still allowed and children of US > citizens are US citizens themselves. You worried about aunts, uncles, or > what? Children of illegals born here are U.S. citizens. Do you send their parents back and leave the kids here? > There is no short term solution, only compliance with the law, as it is > written, something you favor when it's to your advantage, but disfavor when > it's not. Any solution should start with compliance with the law, followed, > if the people so choose, with a change in the laws. The people don't change the laws, the legislators change the laws. They're in the process of doing so right now, with the President's blessing. > Who are you talking about? Surely, you are not claiming that you live in > the heart of the illegal occupation. If I had to bet, I'd bet that the > Mexicans you're so happy to take advantage of to get what you want for less, > aren't so welcome in your neighborhood after dark or am I mistaken. How > many of your neighbors have more that one family living in the same home? I'm easy walking distance (< 1.5 miles) from some pretty low-income housing, populated by some pretty brown faces. I'd venture to guess that at least some of them aren't too legal. The city I live in is relatively small by California standards, only 68,000 people. 27.5% of that number is Hispanic. 12% live below the poverty line. (You can contrast that with a similar-sized locale, such as Davie, FL, where the Hispanic population is only 18.8% and only 9.8% live below the poverty line). Several of my stores are in predominantly Hispanic areas. For instance, I have two stores in Rialto, 51.7% Hispanic, 17.4% impoverished. I have three stores in San Bernardino, 47.5% Hispanic, 27.6% impoverished. My headquarters in Rancho Cucamonga is just down Arrow Route from a corner where day laborers hang out waiting to be picked up, notwithstanding all the signs posted against such activity. I wonder how many of the day laborers are legal. Across the street from the headquarters is a strawberry field. I wonder how many of the strawberry pickers are legal. I see illegals every day. I still don't see where there's a problem. >>We'll send them back pretty much the same way they came, one at a time. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Children of illegals born here are U.S. citizens. Do you send their > parents back and leave the kids here? i guess my problem is the 'illegal' part. I could care less if they were born here - they were born here because their mother was here illegally This just isn't a Bush problem or initiative - Democrats want it because it is votes, the republicans want it because it is cheap labor >>There is no short term solution, only compliance with the law, as it is >>written, something you favor when it's to your advantage, but disfavor when [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > many of the strawberry pickers are legal. I see illegals every day. > I still don't see where there's a problem. > >>We'll send them back pretty much the same way they came, one at a time. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > i guess my problem is the 'illegal' part. I could care less if they > were born here - they were born here because their mother was here illegally Sorry, Joe, but that's the American law. The kids that are born here are just as American as you and me. If you don't like the law, maybe you should move to North Korea. They don't seem to have much of a problem with illegal immigrants. > This just isn't a Bush problem or initiative - Democrats want it because > it is votes, the republicans want it because it is cheap labor I don't see how it means votes. Don't you have to be a citizen to vote? >>>>We'll send them back pretty much the same way they came, one at a time. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > you should move to North Korea. They don't seem to have much of a > problem with illegal immigrants. Fine but the illegals go back >>This just isn't a Bush problem or initiative - Democrats want it because >>it is votes, the republicans want it because it is cheap labor > > I don't see how it means votes. Don't you have to be a citizen to > vote? Greg Mossman wrote: >>We'll send them back pretty much the same way they came, one at a time. >Sure. One at a time. 10,000,000 times. It's a workable plan. If they came one at a time, 10 million times, they can go back the same way, or 5 at a time, or 10, however many we pick up for deportation. I imagine we could get a couple hundred in your neighborhood alone, when they show up to work for substandard wages. >>As for mixed families, you're going to have to explain the problem. As >>far >>as I know, spouses of US citizens are still allowed and children of US >>citizens are US citizens themselves. You worried about aunts, uncles, or >>what? >Children of illegals born here are U.S. citizens. Do you send their >parents back and leave the kids here? Frankly, I had not thought of that. I'm not clear on how the law works relative to births. If the child of a couple of foreigners here legally would be a citizen, then a case might be made that the child of a couple of illegals that was born here would be too. Is that the case? If so, then the parents would have at least two choices. They could take their US citizen child back with them or they could leave their US citizen child with someone, or some authority legal in the US. While a child born in the US may be a US citizen even if born to illegal aliens, we know the law does not work the other way |
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