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Lee Bell - 19 May 2007 13:12 GMT
You just have to love it.  PADI has a specialty course for curved lens masks
that qualifies for inclusion in their Master Scuba Diver qualification
program.  Unbelievable.

http://www.hydrooptix.com/index2.html

________________________________
It is useless for sheep to pass resolutions in favor of
vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion.
WILLIAM RALPH INGE, D. D. 1860-1954
mag3 - 19 May 2007 13:40 GMT
>You just have to love it.  PADI has a specialty course for curved lens masks
>that qualifies for inclusion in their Master Scuba Diver qualification
>program.  Unbelievable.
>
>http://www.hydrooptix.com/index2.html

I guess anyone can have anything maide into a DSC. Maybe we should make a DSC called
"rec.scuba" survival or something.  I love how the "fine print" *  at the bottom says:

*"PADI does not endorse any particular brand of SCUBA equipement. The genesis of the DSC
was PADI instructors acting independent of PADI Mgt. on their own time."  

But up top we find out the PADI instructors work at RSM HQ!!!!!  Hmmmmmmm.  

So Lee, what skills should we have in our "rec.scuba" DSC?

 
____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Lee Bell - 19 May 2007 14:53 GMT
> I guess anyone can have anything maide into a DSC. Maybe we should make a
> DSC called
> "rec.scuba" survival or something.

> So Lee, what skills should we have in our "rec.scuba" DSC?

It's been done, but not by PADI.  In fact, I and several other rec.scuba
participants are proud holders of ESG's Internet Diver certification.  Mine
is dated August 2, 2003.

Lee
mag3 - 19 May 2007 16:05 GMT
>> I guess anyone can have anything maide into a DSC. Maybe we should make a
>> DSC called
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>participants are proud holders of ESG's Internet Diver certification.  Mine
>is dated August 2, 2003.

Yes, I've seen -hh's cert.

ESG, can you repost (or e-mail) the requirements please?

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Al Wells - 19 May 2007 16:17 GMT
> ESG, can you repost (or e-mail) the requirements please?

no drysuit class today?
mag3 - 19 May 2007 18:48 GMT
>> ESG, can you repost (or e-mail) the requirements please?
>
>no drysuit class today?

Just shot you an e-mail.

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
El Stroko Guapo - 19 May 2007 16:30 GMT
>>>I guess anyone can have anything maide into a DSC. Maybe we should make a
>>>DSC called
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> ESG, can you repost (or e-mail) the requirements please?

The first requirement is that it must be earned in 2003.

When that comes around again, watch for the rest of the requirements.

esg
-hh - 24 May 2007 19:22 GMT
"Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> So Lee, what skills should we have in our "rec.scuba" DSC?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Yes, I've seen -hh's cert.

Glad you have ... where is it?

-hh
mag3 - 24 May 2007 21:27 GMT
> "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >> So Lee, what skills should we have in our "rec.scuba" DSC?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Glad you have ... where is it?

On Popeye's website..... Only for some reason, it mistakenly has his name on it....

OOPS!

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
-hh - 24 May 2007 21:50 GMT
> > "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> >> So Lee, what skills should we have in our "rec.scuba" DSC?
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> OOPS!

Perhaps you could make a petition to ESG for a replacement card for
me.   I suggest plying him with fine gifts.

-hh
mag3 - 24 May 2007 22:36 GMT
>> >> Yes, I've seen -hh's cert.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Perhaps you could make a petition to ESG for a replacement card for
>me.   I suggest plying him with fine gifts.

I must first be successful at petitioning ESG to re-offer the cert in the first place.
If he can only change that 2003 requirement thing.......  :-)

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
El Stroko Guapo - 24 May 2007 23:05 GMT
>>>>>Yes, I've seen -hh's cert.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I must first be successful at petitioning ESG to re-offer the cert in the first place.
> If he can only change that 2003 requirement thing.......  :-)

First, you must find a mentor who will administer the exam. Only those
with the cert may serve as mentor.

Second, you must pass the exam, as follows:

Std 1. GENERAL KNOWLEDGE

Describe the history of  diving from its origins to the present day,
concentrating especially but not exclusively on its social, political,
economic, religious and philosophical impact on Europe,  Asia, America,
and Africa.

Std 2. TEACHING SKILLS

Sketch the development of learning in humans. Estimate its significance.
Compare with the development of learning in non-humans.

Std. 3 LEADERSHIP SKILLS

At your signal, your examiner will let into the room 35 members of WKPP
and George Irvine. Calm them. You may use any ancient language except
Latin or Greek.

Std 4. PHYSICS

Explain the nature of matter. Include in your answer an evaluation of
the impact of the development of mathematics on science.

Std 5. MARINE BIOLOGY

Create a new form of marine life. Estimate the subsequent differences in
marine biology if this form of life had developed 500 million years
earlier, with special attention  to its probable effect on the slimy
doris (Dendrodoris krebsii).

Std 6. DIVE MANAGEMENT

Plan a dive to 20,000 leagues under the sea. Trace the effects of the
following on your dive plan: the wave theory of light; the Donatist
controversy; cubism. Outline a method for preventing these effects.
Criticize this method from all possible points of view. Point out the
deficiencies in your points of view as demonstrated in your criticism of
your method.

Std 7. FIRST AID

You have been provided with a razor blade, a piece of gauze, and a
bottle of rum. Demonstrate on yourself the surgical relief of emboli. Do
not suture until your examiner has inspected your work.

Std 8. WATERMANSHIP (stage 1)

In full scuba gear and using only your teeth to hold the line, tow your
boat to the dive site where Standards 9 - 12 will be evaluated. (Minimum
36’ boat, minimum 3.5 miles to site. Waiting time for drawbridge(s) will
not be penalized)  Descend to 190 fsw, place the anchor, remove and
discard your tank and regulator(s), and await your examiner.

Std  9.  MIXED GAS PHYSIOLOGY

Your examiner will give you three tanks, one containing pure oxygen, one
containing pure helium, and one containing pure nitrogen. You will
conduct the remainder of the underwater exam managing your mix by
breathing from the valves of the three tanks. Plan on 40 minutes to
complete the remainder of the underwater exam.

Std. 10  BASIC SKILLS

Remove your mask, fins, weight belt, and dry suit, in that order. Place
all in the basket for removal to the surface.

 Std 11. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT

Enter the shark cage. Your examiner will release 2500 pounds of chum and
play a tape of the mating call of the Great White Shark. On the floor of
your shark cage will be found a block of walnut, a block of tool steel,
a length of surgical tubing, and rough drawings of a high-powered spear
gun. On your signal, the examiner will open the door of the shark cage.

Std 12. RESCUE SKILLS

At your signal, your examiner will release from the boat three concrete
“divers” each 6 feet by two feet by two feet.  Within three minutes from
your signal, you must have each “diver” back on the boat.  Defend your
method legally, citing all appropriate case law from California,
Florida, Texas, and the Dominican Republic.

Std 13. WATERMANSHIP  (stage 2)

In full scuba gear but excluding mask, snorkel, and fins, and using only
your teeth to hold the line, tow your boat back to the marina. (It is
not required to reverse the boat into the slip, if necessary)

Std 14. DIVE BOAT SUPERVISION

Get the other divers each a beer. Unload the boat, rinse all  gear, and
hang neatly. Get the captain a beer. Hose down the boat. Get the
examiner a beer. Pump out the head tank and put in fresh chemicals. Get
the captain a beer. Load all gear in the truck. Get examiner a beer.

EXTRA CREDIT

Denigrate the standards, procedures, and contributions to diving of all
agencies. Define the positive effects on western civilization had these
agencies never existed, with emphasis on the free market system and the
British parliament. (may be substituted for failure of any of the above
standards)
JOF - 24 May 2007 23:28 GMT
> >>>>>Yes, I've seen -hh's cert.
>
[quoted text clipped - 120 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Excellent.

JF
Scott - 25 May 2007 00:02 GMT
<snip>

> EXTRA CREDIT
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> British parliament. (may be substituted for failure of any of the above
> standards)

What happened to the goat bladders?
Grumman-581 - 25 May 2007 00:14 GMT
> What happened to the goat bladders?

Don't ask, don't tell...
El Stroko Guapo - 25 May 2007 00:53 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> What happened to the goat bladders?

This IS the 21st century, after all!
Scott - 25 May 2007 02:27 GMT
> > <snip>
> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> >
> This IS the 21st century, after all!

Like the Aqualung Mistral dual hose that went over like a turd in the punch
bowl...
Limey - 25 May 2007 04:28 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> What happened to the goat bladders?

Like I say 'bout everything in life........don't knock it until you've tried
it........3 or 4 times.  ;0)

Limey.
Greg Mossman - 25 May 2007 04:51 GMT
> > <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Like I say 'bout everything in life........don't knock it until you've tried
> it........3 or 4 times.  ;0)

sh.t, leave it to a limey.  You're supposed to use the goat bladders
as flotation devices, not smoke them.

That's the problem with you British types.  You guys are called limeys
because you ate limes to prevent scurvy on long ocean trips, fine, I
can understand that.  But why did it take a Mexican to invent the damn
margarita?
Limey - 31 May 2007 18:35 GMT
>> > <snip>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> can understand that.  But why did it take a Mexican to invent the damn
> margarita?

'Cause a Mexi-can?
-hh - 25 May 2007 02:34 GMT
> First, you must find a mentor who will administer the exam. Only those
> with the cert may serve as mentor.

I nominate Bob Ling.  Afterall, it has nothing to do with his IQ.

> Second, you must pass the exam, as follows:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> economic, religious and philosophical impact on Europe,  Asia, America,
> and Africa.

Diving...so simple even a Cave Man can do it, on any continent.
Contingent, of course on adequate credit...from shells and beads to
Yap coinage to a valid PADI credit card whose design motif matches the
gear you bought with it.

> Std 2. TEACHING SKILLS
>
> Sketch the development of learning in humans. Estimate its significance.
> Compare with the development of learning in non-humans.

Learning falls into two domains:  learning and denial.  Denial works
in humans.  In non-humans, it leads to the stomach of a Lion.

> Std. 3 LEADERSHIP SKILLS
>
> At your signal, your examiner will let into the room 35 members of WKPP
> and George Irvine. Calm them. You may use any ancient language except
> Latin or Greek.

"This Stroke is buying you all a drink!"
(yes, it can only be water...but this is also a test of them ;-)

> Std 4. PHYSICS
>
> Explain the nature of matter. Include in your answer an evaluation of
> the impact of the development of mathematics on science.

There's only two kinds of laws in this world:  Man's Law and Nature's
Law.  In Man's Law, everything is negotiable.  In Nature's Law,
nothing is negotiable.  No matter what is claimed statistically.

> Std 5. MARINE BIOLOGY
>
> Create a new form of marine life. Estimate the subsequent differences in
> marine biology if this form of life had developed 500 million years
> earlier, with special attention  to its probable effect on the slimy
> doris (Dendrodoris krebsii).

Done.  No effect on the slimy doris, because the life is virutal.

> Std 6. DIVE MANAGEMENT
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> deficiencies in your points of view as demonstrated in your criticism of
> your method.

A swimming pool for 2 days, 19 hours.  Blindfolded.  Richard Serra
would be proud.

> Std 7. FIRST AID
>
> You have been provided with a razor blade, a piece of gauze, and a
> bottle of rum. Demonstrate on yourself the surgical relief of emboli. Do
> not suture until your examiner has inspected your work.

Skin bends don't require sutures.  Give the rum to the examiner.

> Std 8. WATERMANSHIP (stage 1)
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> not be penalized)  Descend to 190 fsw, place the anchor, remove and
> discard your tank and regulator(s), and await your examiner.

With or without dentures?

> Std  9.  MIXED GAS PHYSIOLOGY
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> breathing from the valves of the three tanks. Plan on 40 minutes to
> complete the remainder of the underwater exam.

Use my bluejeans to build a counterlung; piece of cake.

> Std. 10  BASIC SKILLS
>
> Remove your mask, fins, weight belt, and dry suit, in that order. Place
> all in the basket for removal to the surface.

Weave the basket.

>   Std 11. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> a length of surgical tubing, and rough drawings of a high-powered spear
> gun. On your signal, the examiner will open the door of the shark cage.

Place the block of tool steel on my chum's 2500 pounds and sit back to
watch the show.  The shark, much like any good lawyer, will ignore me
and go directly for the 2500 pounds.  Afterall, 2500 pounds is nearly
$5000 in US currency today.

> Std 12. RESCUE SKILLS
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> method legally, citing all appropriate case law from California,
> Florida, Texas, and the Dominican Republic.

Dominican Republic?  You gave away the clue too easily:  run my wreck
reel line through each of the three blocks by their lifthooks and exit
the water onboard the boat.  Pull them up to the surface and onboard.
Break open the small one and split the ganga with the witnesses.  Its
all perfectly legal in international waters.

> Std 13. WATERMANSHIP  (stage 2)
>
> In full scuba gear but excluding mask, snorkel, and fins, and using only
> your teeth to hold the line, tow your boat back to the marina. (It is
> not required to reverse the boat into the slip, if necessary)

Resting backstroke.  Its been a long day.

> Std 14. DIVE BOAT SUPERVISION
>
> Get the other divers each a beer. Unload the boat, rinse all  gear, and
> hang neatly. Get the captain a beer. Hose down the boat. Get the
> examiner a beer. Pump out the head tank and put in fresh chemicals. Get
> the captain a beer. Load all gear in the truck. Get examiner a beer.

Stella good enough?

> EXTRA CREDIT
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> British parliament. (may be substituted for failure of any of the above
> standards)

Money is the root of all evil and all major Agencies accept it in all
significantly recognized forms (paper, plastic, free labor):  quod
erat demonstrandum.

-hh
El Stroko Guapo - 25 May 2007 13:45 GMT
(snip)

>>Std 7. FIRST AID
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Give the rum to the examiner.

Proving, once again, that there are in fact a few genius divers here!

esg
Limey - 25 May 2007 04:26 GMT
>>>>>>Yes, I've seen -hh's cert.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 119 lines]
> British parliament. (may be substituted for failure of any of the above
> standards)

Man, I'm so happy I got mine in 2003......back before they tightened up the
standards!

Limey.
Dan Bracuk - 24 May 2007 22:19 GMT
mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:

:On Popeye's website..... Only for some reason, it mistakenly has his name on it....

Popeye has a website?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
mag3 - 24 May 2007 22:33 GMT
>mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard
>resulting in:
>
>:On Popeye's website..... Only for some reason, it mistakenly has his name on it....
>
>Popeye has a website?

Yep.  I'll shoot you an e-mail, unless Popeye wishes to republish the URL.

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Scott - 25 May 2007 00:20 GMT
> >mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> >resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Yep.  I'll shoot you an e-mail, unless Popeye wishes to republish the URL.

finalprotectivefire.com
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 25 May 2007 01:19 GMT
>>mag3 <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard
>>resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Yep.  I'll shoot you an e-mail, unless Popeye wishes to republish the URL.

Signature

                  Popeye
"After all your whining, you said no.
 You weaselled out.  Again." -MfO
      www.finalprotectivefire.com

 It has been on my sig for a couple years now.

 Follow the links at the bottom.

George Price - 25 May 2007 05:58 GMT
Hugh,
Any news on Divi?  I have seen a guy that has opened up a dive operation,
and was in negotiations to use the Divi dock and compressor. I don't have
his link on this computer, it's late; you probably know who I am talking
about.  He was a DM at divi, but no one we were farmiliar with, since we
have not been back since 1999.

We planned on going to GC shortly and will be at Cobalt Coast instead of CB.
I like oceanfront, and as we both know, Brac reef does not offer that; will
consider in the future.
George
> "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >> So Lee, what skills should we have in our "rec.scuba" DSC?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> -hh
Greg Mossman - 25 May 2007 07:44 GMT
> We planned on going to GC shortly and will be at Cobalt Coast instead of CB.
> I like oceanfront, and as we both know, Brac reef does not offer that; will
> consider in the future.

Like how shortly?  Especially since I'm at Cobalt Coast 6/21-28.
T'would be nice to see a familiar "face".
George Price and Sheree Price - 25 May 2007 23:08 GMT
>> We planned on going to GC shortly and will be at Cobalt Coast instead of
>> CB.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Like how shortly?  Especially since I'm at Cobalt Coast 6/21-28.
> T'would be nice to see a familiar "face".

Just missed!  We will be there June 8-15.
I'll try to do a trip report as soon as we get back.
George
-hh - 25 May 2007 11:12 GMT
> Hugh,
> Any news on Divi?  I have seen a guy that has opened up a dive operation,
> and was in negotiations to use the Divi dock and compressor. I don't have
> his link on this computer, it's late; you probably know who I am talking
> about.  He was a DM at divi, but no one we were farmiliar with, since we
> have not been back since 1999.

George,

There's no real change with the situation at the Divi Tiara Beach
Resort:  the hotel's still closed and the US-based corporatation of
Divi Resorts still is trying to hold out for top dollar completely
ignorant of the fact that they badmouthed the economic condition of
the island instead of admitting to their own utter mismanagement,
which tends to drive away buyers.

The guy you're referring to, Craig, runs "Indepth Watersports" from
the old Divi Tiara property (ie, dive dock and the old Dive Tiara
diveshop and compressor).  The old Peter Hughes diveboats as well as
the newer Newton, were sold off by Divi Resorts several months ago
now, so Craig has a converted sportfisherman-type that he runs like a
sixpack.  URL is:

http://www.indepthwatersports.com/

Overall, while I like Craig and that he's taking initiative, I'm mixed
on if this is a good or bad thing in regards to Divi selling and a new
property developer to come in. Basic reason being that Craig is
effectively giving Divi Resorts free maintenance, free security, free
etc, while actually paying them rent.  As such, its not costing Divi
to keep the property, so they have no motivation to budge on their too-
high asking price.

-hh
George Price and Sheree Price - 25 May 2007 23:54 GMT
>> Hugh,
>> Any news on Divi?  I have seen a guy that has opened up a dive operation,
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> -hh

How is the time share fiasco going?
It would still be more difficult with Craig's operation, not staying on
site; and probably more expensive by the looks of it.  It was nice to get up
in the morning, get breakfast while we watched them load the dive boats, go
diving, come back...eat lunch and hang out in the hammocks for the
afternoon...doing nothing.  My favorite pastime was touching up our sign on
the dock...now long gone.  One of these days!
George
-hh - 26 May 2007 10:55 GMT
On May 25, 6:54 pm, "George Price and Sheree Price"
<gpri...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> >> Hugh,
> >> Any news on Divi?  I have seen a guy that has opened up a dive operation,
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> It would still be more difficult with Craig's operation, not staying on
> site...

If you could do me a big favor, contact Divi Resorts **by email** and
inquire about what the rates are to rent one of the timeshare rooms
and what dates are available, network trade-ins, etc.  Pretty much a
"how can I be your customer?" routine.

Purpose is that these results will be useful for our legal team to
have it in writing from Divi that they're refusing to rent out,
because this will help prove that they're purposefully trying to run
it into bankrupcy (to default on our contracts) instead of making
money.

> and probably more expensive by the looks of it.

Craig is a bit more expensive, but he compensates some by putting far
fewer divers onboard.  I've not been on his boat yet.

> It was nice to get up in the morning, get breakfast while we watched
> them load the dive boats, go diving, come back...eat lunch and hang
> out in the hammocks for the afternoon...doing nothing.  My favorite
> pastime was touching up our sign on the dock...now long gone.  
> One of these days!
> George

It certainly was.

-hh
George Price - 26 May 2007 15:50 GMT
> On May 25, 6:54 pm, "George Price and Sheree Price"
> <gpri...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> and what dates are available, network trade-ins, etc.  Pretty much a
> "how can I be your customer?" routine.

Specifically Tiara, or Divi in general?

> Purpose is that these results will be useful for our legal team to
> have it in writing from Divi that they're refusing to rent out,
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> -hh
-hh - 26 May 2007 23:58 GMT
> Specifically Tiara, or Divi in general?

At least start with Tiara.  When they tell you that the Hotel is
closed, acknowledge, but say that you know that the Timeshare rooms
are still open, and  something about how Max did sell the timeshare
rooms on occasion...

-hh
George Price and Sheree Price - 27 May 2007 02:32 GMT
>> Specifically Tiara, or Divi in general?
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> -hh
Contact me off the group.  Apparently the address I have foe you is not
working.

George
George Cathcart - 19 May 2007 13:43 GMT
> You just have to love it.  PADI has a specialty course for curved lens masks
> that qualifies for inclusion in their Master Scuba Diver qualification
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion.
> WILLIAM RALPH INGE, D. D. 1860-1954

I heard they are working on a Usenet posting  course, too.
Sheldon - 21 May 2007 02:21 GMT
> You just have to love it.  PADI has a specialty course for curved lens
> masks that qualifies for inclusion in their Master Scuba Diver
> qualification program.  Unbelievable.
>
> http://www.hydrooptix.com/index2.html

Kinda makes sense.  When you go to college you can take courses that apply
towards your graduation that have absolutely nothing to do with your major.
I teach at the local college here, and you should have seen the high school
girls in my scuba class just taking it for fun and college credit.  We also
see students looking for credits in the learn to play the guitar class and
how to make a bowl with clay.
Lee Bell - 21 May 2007 03:31 GMT
>> You just have to love it.  PADI has a specialty course for curved lens
>> masks that qualifies for inclusion in their Master Scuba Diver
>> qualification program.  Unbelievable.
>> http://www.hydrooptix.com/index2.html

> Kinda makes sense.  When you go to college you can take courses that apply
> towards your graduation that have absolutely nothing to do with your
> major. I teach at the local college here, and you should have seen the
> high school girls in my scuba class just taking it for fun and college
> credit.  We also see students looking for credits in the learn to play the
> guitar class and how to make a bowl with clay.

Taking courses for fun makes sense to me.  Offering a course based on a mask
you've invented and want to sell, and getting PADI not only to certify it as
a specialty, but even allow it to be used as part of the required training
for Master Scuba Diver, is more than a little too much.

Lee
RayC - 21 May 2007 04:00 GMT
> Taking courses for fun makes sense to me.  Offering a course based on a mask
> you've invented and want to sell, and getting PADI not only to certify it as
> a specialty, but even allow it to be used as part of the required training
> for Master Scuba Diver, is more than a little too much.
>
> Lee

Hey ... it is a PADI-ism!!  Anything that requires some classroom
instruction and a minimum number of dives qualifies as a distinctive
specialty. Any specialty course counts towards patch collecting and MSD.

Several years ago I supplied a course to dive shops for basic underwater
snap shot photography.  It was written specifically for the Aquashot and
there were TONS of specialty instructors.

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kevinbarfield@btinternet.com - 21 May 2007 21:25 GMT
> You just have to love it.  PADI has a specialty course for curved lens masks
> that qualifies for inclusion in their Master Scuba Diver qualification
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what is the benefit of curved lens masks
Sheldon - 24 May 2007 00:31 GMT
>> You just have to love it.  PADI has a specialty course for curved lens
>> masks
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> what is the benefit of curved lens masks

Assuming you believe all the hype, click on the hydrooptix link above.  It
sure sounds like a good idea -- kinda like a curved windshield vs. a flat
one.
Morten Reistad - 06 Jun 2007 19:36 GMT
>>> You just have to love it.  PADI has a specialty course for curved lens
>>> masks
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>> what is the benefit of curved lens masks

PADI is indeed looking out for their membership, curved
lens masks are unique in how they induce seasickness among
the users.

But there is no puking on the boat for the divemaster to
clean; just a regulator to service, leftover beer for the
divemaster, and docile and placant customers that tips
to drop the second dive and head home.

-- mrr
Matthias - 06 Jun 2007 21:40 GMT
I am not sure why someone would need to get trained to use a dive mask,
but has somebody actually used this type of mask before?

The information on the website sounds great, who would't want to have
more visibility!

The only thing that turns me off is that itlooks like you have to wear
contact lenses to get the increased field of vision.

Any feedback on the product?

Matthias

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Ron - 07 Jun 2007 04:18 GMT
>I am not sure why someone would need to get trained to use a dive mask,

It's a dive mask.  A whole class dedicated to learning it is
ludicrous.

>Any feedback on the product?

 I dive with that mask.  It has its good points and bad points.
 The good: I need a prescription mask, anyway.  This mask very
nearly matches my prescription, so that part works fine for me.
The underwater field of view is great!  It's as advertised, and
it's really nice not to have the tunnel vision of a regular mask.
It also makes keeping track of my buddy much easier.
 The bad: it's a plastic lens, so you need to baby it.  The
strap they supply has almost no stretch.  The mask has two purge
valves.  You really need to make sure they're working or it's
much worse than average to clear.
 The in-between:  when I want to let in a little water to clear
fogged lenses, the rounded lenses make things "interesting".  It
takes more and different movements to swish the little pool of
water to cover all of each lens.  It's not really difficult, but
it sure is different.  It comes in a nice custom plastic box.
I used to carry my old mask in a Pelican box.  This box is about
half again as big as my old mask's box.

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