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Best Scuba diving ever ... Kauai Hawaii
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Mark - 17 May 2007 23:05 GMT We just visited Kauai Hawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADI scuba certified for Open Water and Advanced Open Water. We dove Koloa landing, the tunnels beach, north shore, south shore, we even had a night dive! It was great! We saw, sharks, monk seals, dragon eels, spotted eagle rays, lots of octopus, lots of cool reef fish ... like puffers, orange band surgeon fish, etc, etc.
Aquatic Adventures were so friendly and helpful ... we will defiantly use them again.
Jordan was our instructor and Leah took care of all the behind the scene things, making for a smooth operation.
If you want a great scuba diving experience in Kauai (Hawaii), I say call Aquatic Adventures ... 808-645-0927
See their awesome website:
http://www.aascuba.com
Tell them "Mark from Texas" referred you ... maybe they will give me a free dive next time we visit.
-Mark
Greg Mossman - 18 May 2007 00:09 GMT > We just visited Kauai Hawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic > Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADI scuba certified for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > lots of octopus, lots of cool reef fish ... like puffers, orange band > surgeon fish, etc, etc. Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit. Kauai diving is so-so, but there ain't no way you're gonna see all that in a few shore dives given the shitty limited viz of the algae-ridden runoff waters of Kauai. Turtles, to be sure, but sharks, eagle rays, and dragon morays? Good luck. At least try to sell something that people might actually be able to see there.
We all know you're a spammer in disguise, but even so.
> Tell them "Mark from Texas" referred you ... maybe they will give me a > free dive next time we visit. I did take a look at the website because I like to know who's spamming the group. My God, $120 for two shore dives? Even in expensive Hawaii, you can get a couple boat dives off Maui for that. Are you guys serious? If people are really willing to pay that, then I'm on the next plane out with my instructor card in hand ready to patrol the beach for "victims". Otherwise, I wonder how many other jobs you guys have to work in your off hours to pay the rent.
Joe English - 18 May 2007 02:59 GMT >>We just visited Kauai Hawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic >>Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADI scuba certified for [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > beach for "victims". Otherwise, I wonder how many other jobs you guys > have to work in your off hours to pay the rent. you go Greg -good catch!
Kula - 18 May 2007 06:02 GMT Bashing Hawaii is my job, Greg.
kula
Greg Mossman - 18 May 2007 06:23 GMT > Bashing Hawaii is my job, Greg. You bash spam. I bash spammers.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 18 May 2007 07:08 GMT >> Bashing Hawaii is my job, Greg. Scrubbing the kitchen floor is your job.
> You bash spam. I bash spammers. Kula - 18 May 2007 07:20 GMT >> Bashing Hawaii is my job, Greg. > > You bash spam. I bash spammers. I've enjoyed Spam, eggs and rice on occasion but that's about it for that stuff. What the locals eat will kill you before age 50. Trish and I will be dinning at Michelle's on Sunday to celebrate our 12th Anniversary. There are a couple of good restaurants on this rock. That one is my favorite.
kula
-hh - 18 May 2007 12:14 GMT > We just visited Kauai Hawaii and had a GREAT time! Glad to hear that, Mark.
> We became PADI scuba certified for Open Water and Advanced Open Water. Welcome to scuba diving, Mark.
Please realize that particularly at this point, you only have a permit to learn: that AOW card is a bit deceiving, since you're nowhere near being an Advanced Diver...you just had some training that was a bit more advanced than the minimum allowed.
> Tell them "Mark from Texas" referred you ... maybe they will give me a > free dive next time we visit. Personally, I doubt it.
Something you'll *hopefully* learn after you have some more dive experience is what's a good value, and what companies are overpriced and which are downright exploitive, which will make promises that they'll never keep (like remembering a future discount after taking our money today).
For example, your OW + AOW requires a minimum of 9 openwater dives, so with the odd dive being the night dive you mentioned, this would have run $120 + $120 + $120 + $90 = $570, plus their OW+AOW rates of $450 + $375, so Total = $1400 each.
As you'll learn, the old saying goes, "A fool and his money are soon parted".
Fortunately, after a few overly expensive trips like this, you'll get it sorted out. Plus you'll also learn how to recognize a shill.
For example, if you're from Texas, why are you actually posting from the Seattle, WA area, Mark?
-hh
John Hanson - 18 May 2007 14:28 GMT >For example, your OW + AOW requires a minimum of 9 openwater dives, so >with the odd dive being the night dive you mentioned, this would have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >As you'll learn, the old saying goes, "A fool and his money are soon >parted". My OW+AOW last year was $350+$150 for a grand total of $500.
Maggie - 21 May 2007 06:03 GMT What I found so amusing was his assertion--after JUST getting certified, mind you--is that this was the "best scuba diving.ever."
> We just visited Kauai Hawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic > Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADI scuba certified for > Open Water and Advanced Open Water. Greg Mossman - 21 May 2007 06:13 GMT > What I found so amusing was his assertion--after JUST getting > certified, mind you--is that this was the "best scuba diving.ever." It probably was, for him.
llqwyd@aascuba.com - 23 May 2007 00:14 GMT > We just visitedKauaiHawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic > Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADIscubacertified for [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > -Mark i am amazed at some of the responses i have seen to this post. i will admit that diving hawaii is not as good as some places you could dive (i grew up diving cozumel and think that it is second to none. however, since i am the owner of the company that took mark diving, i have to take offense at some of the disparaging remarks. we regularly dive koloa landing here in kauai. it is ranked as the #3 shore dive in the indian and pacific oceans. we regularly see dragon morays, turtles, harlequin shrimp, undulated eels, banded angel fish (relic species) and more all in one dive. mark has the pictures from his dive as "proof" (if it were necessary) to show you that he saw what he says that he saw. again, kauai and hawaii may not be the best dive spots in the world, but when it comes to varied aquatic life, it is sure hard to beat.
shawn
Greg Mossman - 23 May 2007 01:56 GMT On May 22, 4:14 pm, llq...@aascuba.com wrote:
> > We just visitedKauaiHawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic > > Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADIscubacertified for [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > i am amazed at some of the responses i have seen to this post. i will > admit that diving hawaii is not as good as some places you could dive So you'd admit that Kauai is not "Best Scuba diving ever" as Mark claimed? Then why are you amazed at some of the responses?
> (i grew up diving cozumel and think that it is second to none. Hardly. You really need to get out more.
> however, since i am the owner of the company that took mark diving, i > have to take offense at some of the disparaging remarks. we regularly > dive koloa landing here in kauai. it is ranked as the #3 shore dive By who? It's not even the #3 shore dive on shorediving.com.
What many people here objected to were the exhorbitant prices you charge. Normally when one pays an exhorbitant amount to a dive shop in Hawaii, the shop is at least gracious enough to provide a boat ride to the site. What do you do to make up for the lack of a boat? Provide caviar during the surface interval? A 4-course dinner with wine? Spike the tanks with nitrous? Carry the divers into the water from an air-conditioned transport vehicle?
-hh - 24 May 2007 12:26 GMT > Shawn (owner of the dive operation in question) <llq...@aascuba.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So you'd admit that Kauai is not "Best Scuba diving ever" as Mark > claimed? Then why are you amazed at some of the responses? Amazing too in how Shawn chose to reply to his shill's post instead of any of the responses.
> > (i grew up diving cozumel and think that it is second to none. > > Hardly. You really need to get out more. A lot more ;-)
> > however, since i am the owner of the company that took mark diving, i > > have to take offense at some of the disparaging remarks. we regularly > > dive koloa landing here in kauai. it is ranked as the #3 shore dive > > By who? It's not even the #3 shore dive on shorediving.com. Probably Rodales, in the same flawed (popularity-based) survey that usually puts Cozumel at #1.
> What many people here objected to were the exhorbitant prices you > charge. Normally when one pays an exhorbitant amount to a dive shop [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > wine? Spike the tanks with nitrous? Carry the divers into the water > from an air-conditioned transport vehicle? The two shore dives for $120 apparently includes tanks and gear. At $5 per tank, $10 for the gear rental, $5 for vehicle (gas + wear & tear) and $5 misc, this works out to $90 to cover the labor and the shop's cut. For two 1-hour dives and a 1-hour SI, this works out to 3 hours, which would be an average hourly rate of $30, or $15/hour at a 100% overhead (for the shop).
While this doesn't sound too bad, what we're missing is that this is _per customer_.
For just 2 customers (Mark & his friend), you double all of these numbers:
$240 revenue:
$20 in rental tanks amortization $20 in rental gear amortization $10 in vehicle fuel & amortization $10 in misc expenses
$180 in labor ($90 for shop, $90 for employee)
-hh
Greg Mossman - 23 May 2007 01:56 GMT On May 22, 4:14 pm, llq...@aascuba.com wrote:
> > We just visitedKauaiHawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic > > Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADIscubacertified for [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > i am amazed at some of the responses i have seen to this post. i will > admit that diving hawaii is not as good as some places you could dive So you'd admit that Kauai is not "Best Scuba diving ever" as Mark claimed? Then why are you amazed at some of the responses?
> (i grew up diving cozumel and think that it is second to none. Hardly. You really need to get out more.
> however, since i am the owner of the company that took mark diving, i > have to take offense at some of the disparaging remarks. we regularly > dive koloa landing here in kauai. it is ranked as the #3 shore dive By who? It's not even the #3 shore dive on shorediving.com.
What many people here objected to were the exhorbitant prices you charge. Normally when one pays an exhorbitant amount to a dive shop in Hawaii, the shop is at least gracious enough to provide a boat ride to the site. What do you do to make up for the lack of a boat? Provide caviar during the surface interval? A 4-course dinner with wine? Spike the tanks with nitrous? Carry the divers into the water from an air-conditioned transport vehicle?
Greg Mossman - 23 May 2007 01:56 GMT On May 22, 4:14 pm, llq...@aascuba.com wrote:
> > We just visitedKauaiHawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic > > Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADIscubacertified for [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > i am amazed at some of the responses i have seen to this post. i will > admit that diving hawaii is not as good as some places you could dive So you'd admit that Kauai is not "Best Scuba diving ever" as Mark claimed? Then why are you amazed at some of the responses?
> (i grew up diving cozumel and think that it is second to none. Hardly. You really need to get out more.
> however, since i am the owner of the company that took mark diving, i > have to take offense at some of the disparaging remarks. we regularly > dive koloa landing here in kauai. it is ranked as the #3 shore dive By who? It's not even the #3 shore dive on shorediving.com.
What many people here objected to were the exhorbitant prices you charge. Normally when one pays an exhorbitant amount to a dive shop in Hawaii, the shop is at least gracious enough to provide a boat ride to the site. What do you do to make up for the lack of a boat? Provide caviar during the surface interval? A 4-course dinner with wine? Spike the tanks with nitrous? Carry the divers into the water from an air-conditioned transport vehicle?
Greg Mossman - 23 May 2007 01:58 GMT > On May 22, 4:14 pm, llq...@aascuba.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > wine? Spike the tanks with nitrous? Carry the divers into the water > from an air-conditioned transport vehicle? Oops. Sorry for stuttering. Google kept claiming there was an error trying to post. Apparently the error was an error.
Danlw - 23 May 2007 05:01 GMT >> On May 22, 4:14 pm, llq...@aascuba.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > Oops. Sorry for stuttering. Google kept claiming there was an error > trying to post. Apparently the error was an error. Geez Greg, and you complained when I said something needed repeating. So, how about all three posts were good points? ;)
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