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Best Scuba diving ever ... Kauai Hawaii

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Mark - 17 May 2007 23:05 GMT
We just visited Kauai Hawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic
Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADI scuba certified for
Open Water and Advanced Open Water. We dove Koloa landing, the tunnels
beach, north shore, south shore, we even had a night dive! It was
great! We saw, sharks, monk seals, dragon eels, spotted eagle rays,
lots of octopus, lots of cool reef fish ... like puffers, orange band
surgeon fish, etc, etc.

Aquatic Adventures were so friendly and helpful ... we will defiantly
use them again.

Jordan was our instructor and Leah took care of all the behind the
scene things, making for a smooth operation.

If you want a great scuba diving experience in Kauai (Hawaii), I say
call Aquatic Adventures ... 808-645-0927

See their awesome website:

http://www.aascuba.com

Tell them "Mark from Texas" referred you ... maybe they will give me a
free dive next time we visit.

-Mark
Greg Mossman - 18 May 2007 00:09 GMT
> We just visited Kauai Hawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic
> Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADI scuba certified for
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> lots of octopus, lots of cool reef fish ... like puffers, orange band
> surgeon fish, etc, etc.

Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit.  Kauai diving is so-so, but
there ain't no way you're gonna see all that in a few shore dives
given the shitty limited viz of the algae-ridden runoff waters of
Kauai.  Turtles, to be sure, but sharks, eagle rays, and dragon
morays?  Good luck.  At least try to sell something that people might
actually be able to see there.

We all know you're a spammer in disguise, but even so.

> Tell them "Mark from Texas" referred you ... maybe they will give me a
> free dive next time we visit.

I did take a look at the website because I like to know who's spamming
the group.  My God, $120 for two shore dives?  Even in expensive
Hawaii, you can get a couple boat dives off Maui for that.  Are you
guys serious?  If people are really willing to pay that, then I'm on
the next plane out with my instructor card in hand ready to patrol the
beach for "victims".  Otherwise, I wonder how many other jobs you guys
have to work in your off hours to pay the rent.
Joe English - 18 May 2007 02:59 GMT
>>We just visited Kauai Hawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic
>>Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADI scuba certified for
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> beach for "victims".  Otherwise, I wonder how many other jobs you guys
> have to work in your off hours to pay the rent.

you go Greg -good catch!
Kula - 18 May 2007 06:02 GMT
Bashing Hawaii is my job, Greg.

kula
Greg Mossman - 18 May 2007 06:23 GMT
> Bashing Hawaii is my job, Greg.

You bash spam.  I bash spammers.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 18 May 2007 07:08 GMT
>> Bashing Hawaii is my job, Greg.

 Scrubbing the kitchen floor is your job.

> You bash spam.  I bash spammers.
Kula - 18 May 2007 07:20 GMT
>> Bashing Hawaii is my job, Greg.
>
> You bash spam.  I bash spammers.

I've enjoyed Spam, eggs and rice on occasion but that's about it for that
stuff.  What the locals eat will kill you before age 50.  Trish and I will
be dinning at Michelle's on Sunday to celebrate our 12th Anniversary.  There
are a couple of good restaurants on this rock.  That one is my favorite.

kula
-hh - 18 May 2007 12:14 GMT
> We just visited Kauai Hawaii and had a GREAT time!

Glad to hear that, Mark.

> We became PADI scuba certified for Open Water and Advanced Open Water.

Welcome to scuba diving, Mark.

Please realize that particularly at this point, you only have a permit
to learn:  that AOW card is a bit deceiving, since you're nowhere near
being an Advanced Diver...you just had some training that was a bit
more advanced than the minimum allowed.

> Tell them "Mark from Texas" referred you ... maybe they will give me a
> free dive next time we visit.

Personally, I doubt it.

Something you'll *hopefully* learn after you have some more dive
experience is what's a good value, and what companies are overpriced
and which are downright exploitive, which will make promises that
they'll never keep (like remembering a future discount after taking
our money today).

For example, your OW + AOW requires a minimum of 9 openwater dives, so
with the odd dive being the night dive you mentioned, this would have
run $120 + $120 + $120 + $90 = $570, plus their OW+AOW rates of $450 +
$375, so Total = $1400 each.

As you'll learn, the old saying goes, "A fool and his money are soon
parted".

Fortunately, after a few overly expensive trips like this, you'll get
it sorted out.  Plus you'll also learn how to recognize a shill.

For example, if you're from Texas, why are you actually posting from
the Seattle, WA area, Mark?

-hh
John Hanson - 18 May 2007 14:28 GMT
>For example, your OW + AOW requires a minimum of 9 openwater dives, so
>with the odd dive being the night dive you mentioned, this would have
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>As you'll learn, the old saying goes, "A fool and his money are soon
>parted".

My OW+AOW last year was $350+$150 for a grand total of $500.
Maggie - 21 May 2007 06:03 GMT
What I found so amusing was his assertion--after JUST getting
certified, mind you--is that this was the "best scuba diving.ever."

> We just visited Kauai Hawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic
> Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADI scuba certified for
> Open Water and Advanced Open Water.
Greg Mossman - 21 May 2007 06:13 GMT
> What I found so amusing was his assertion--after JUST getting
> certified, mind you--is that this was the "best scuba diving.ever."

It probably was, for him.
llqwyd@aascuba.com - 23 May 2007 00:14 GMT
> We just visitedKauaiHawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic
> Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADIscubacertified for
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> -Mark

i am amazed at some of the responses i have seen to this post.  i will
admit that diving hawaii is not as good as some places you could dive
(i grew up diving cozumel and think that it is second to none.
however, since i am the owner of the company that took mark diving, i
have to take offense at some of the disparaging remarks.  we regularly
dive koloa landing here in kauai.  it is ranked as the #3 shore dive
in  the indian and pacific oceans.  we regularly see dragon morays,
turtles, harlequin shrimp, undulated eels, banded angel fish (relic
species) and more all in one dive.  mark has the pictures from his
dive as "proof" (if it were necessary) to show you that he saw what he
says that he saw.  again, kauai and hawaii may not be the best dive
spots in the world, but when it comes to varied aquatic life, it is
sure hard to beat.

shawn
Greg Mossman - 23 May 2007 01:56 GMT
On May 22, 4:14 pm, llq...@aascuba.com wrote:

> > We just visitedKauaiHawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic
> > Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADIscubacertified for
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> i am amazed at some of the responses i have seen to this post.  i will
> admit that diving hawaii is not as good as some places you could dive

So you'd admit that Kauai is not "Best Scuba diving ever" as Mark
claimed?  Then why are you amazed at some of the responses?

> (i grew up diving cozumel and think that it is second to none.

Hardly.  You really need to get out more.

> however, since i am the owner of the company that took mark diving, i
> have to take offense at some of the disparaging remarks.  we regularly
> dive koloa landing here in kauai.  it is ranked as the #3 shore dive

By who?  It's not even the #3 shore dive on shorediving.com.

What many people here objected to were the exhorbitant prices you
charge.  Normally when one pays an exhorbitant amount to a dive shop
in Hawaii, the shop is at least gracious enough to provide a boat ride
to the site.  What do you do to make up for the lack of a boat?
Provide caviar during the surface interval?  A 4-course dinner with
wine?  Spike the tanks with nitrous?  Carry the divers into the water
from an air-conditioned transport vehicle?
-hh - 24 May 2007 12:26 GMT
> Shawn (owner of the dive operation in question) <llq...@aascuba.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> So you'd admit that Kauai is not "Best Scuba diving ever" as Mark
> claimed?  Then why are you amazed at some of the responses?

Amazing too in how Shawn chose to reply to his shill's post instead of
any of the responses.

> > (i grew up diving cozumel and think that it is second to none.
>
> Hardly.  You really need to get out more.

A lot more ;-)

> > however, since i am the owner of the company that took mark diving, i
> > have to take offense at some of the disparaging remarks.  we regularly
> > dive koloa landing here in kauai.  it is ranked as the #3 shore dive
>
> By who?  It's not even the #3 shore dive on shorediving.com.

Probably Rodales, in the same flawed (popularity-based) survey that
usually puts Cozumel at #1.

> What many people here objected to were the exhorbitant prices you
> charge.  Normally when one pays an exhorbitant amount to a dive shop
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> wine?  Spike the tanks with nitrous?  Carry the divers into the water
> from an air-conditioned transport vehicle?

The two shore dives for $120 apparently includes tanks and gear.  At
$5 per tank, $10 for the gear rental, $5 for vehicle (gas + wear &
tear) and $5 misc, this works out to $90 to cover the labor and the
shop's cut.  For two 1-hour dives and a 1-hour SI, this works out to 3
hours, which would be an average hourly rate of $30, or $15/hour at a
100% overhead (for the shop).

While this doesn't sound too bad, what we're missing is that this is
_per customer_.

For just 2 customers (Mark & his friend), you double all of these
numbers:

$240 revenue:

$20 in rental tanks amortization
$20 in rental gear amortization
$10 in vehicle fuel & amortization
$10 in misc expenses

$180 in labor ($90 for shop, $90 for employee)

-hh
Greg Mossman - 23 May 2007 01:56 GMT
On May 22, 4:14 pm, llq...@aascuba.com wrote:

> > We just visitedKauaiHawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic
> > Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADIscubacertified for
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> i am amazed at some of the responses i have seen to this post.  i will
> admit that diving hawaii is not as good as some places you could dive

So you'd admit that Kauai is not "Best Scuba diving ever" as Mark
claimed?  Then why are you amazed at some of the responses?

> (i grew up diving cozumel and think that it is second to none.

Hardly.  You really need to get out more.

> however, since i am the owner of the company that took mark diving, i
> have to take offense at some of the disparaging remarks.  we regularly
> dive koloa landing here in kauai.  it is ranked as the #3 shore dive

By who?  It's not even the #3 shore dive on shorediving.com.

What many people here objected to were the exhorbitant prices you
charge.  Normally when one pays an exhorbitant amount to a dive shop
in Hawaii, the shop is at least gracious enough to provide a boat ride
to the site.  What do you do to make up for the lack of a boat?
Provide caviar during the surface interval?  A 4-course dinner with
wine?  Spike the tanks with nitrous?  Carry the divers into the water
from an air-conditioned transport vehicle?
Greg Mossman - 23 May 2007 01:56 GMT
On May 22, 4:14 pm, llq...@aascuba.com wrote:

> > We just visitedKauaiHawaii and had a GREAT time! We used Aquatic
> > Adventures (http://www.aascuba.com) We became PADIscubacertified for
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> i am amazed at some of the responses i have seen to this post.  i will
> admit that diving hawaii is not as good as some places you could dive

So you'd admit that Kauai is not "Best Scuba diving ever" as Mark
claimed?  Then why are you amazed at some of the responses?

> (i grew up diving cozumel and think that it is second to none.

Hardly.  You really need to get out more.

> however, since i am the owner of the company that took mark diving, i
> have to take offense at some of the disparaging remarks.  we regularly
> dive koloa landing here in kauai.  it is ranked as the #3 shore dive

By who?  It's not even the #3 shore dive on shorediving.com.

What many people here objected to were the exhorbitant prices you
charge.  Normally when one pays an exhorbitant amount to a dive shop
in Hawaii, the shop is at least gracious enough to provide a boat ride
to the site.  What do you do to make up for the lack of a boat?
Provide caviar during the surface interval?  A 4-course dinner with
wine?  Spike the tanks with nitrous?  Carry the divers into the water
from an air-conditioned transport vehicle?
Greg Mossman - 23 May 2007 01:58 GMT
> On May 22, 4:14 pm, llq...@aascuba.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> wine?  Spike the tanks with nitrous?  Carry the divers into the water
> from an air-conditioned transport vehicle?

Oops.  Sorry for stuttering.  Google kept claiming there was an error
trying to post.  Apparently the error was an error.
Danlw - 23 May 2007 05:01 GMT
>> On May 22, 4:14 pm, llq...@aascuba.com wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> Oops.  Sorry for stuttering.  Google kept claiming there was an error
> trying to post.  Apparently the error was an error.

Geez Greg, and you complained when I said something needed repeating. So,
how about all three posts were
good points? ;)
 
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