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Does Vista have Outlook Express, and where is it? Your timely answer could save random innocent lives. On Mon, 7 May 2007 02:35:57 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > Does Vista have Outlook Express, and where is it? > > Your timely answer could save random innocent lives. Vista... Just say, "NO"... >On Mon, 7 May 2007 02:35:57 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" ><Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Vista... Just say, "NO"... Dell isn't going to Vista until Oct. At least internally. Same for Intel, Freescale, Motorola, TI, etc. Is there a trend?  Signaturedillon The pen may be mightier than the sword, but I've never seen a .sig beat a Sig. > Dell isn't going to Vista until Oct. At least internally. Same for > Intel, Freescale, Motorola, TI, etc. Is there a trend? Probably not any more so than with the new release of any other O/S (especially one from MSFT)... Large corporations want time to test their apps to see what gets broke by the new O/S... Often they rely on 3rd party applications and libraries which might not work under the new O/S... MSFT is not in the business of creating a stable O/S that developers can develop towards and never have to worry about changing their application... MSFT is in the business of making changes just for the sake of changing things so that developers will constantly need to be modifying their apps so that they can work on the O/S version du jour... Of course, this also means that the other software that MSFT sells also needs to be updated... Combine that with the fact that they let their O/S get more bloated with each version and one could argue that they are also in the business of selling hardware... On 7 Maj, 08:35, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > Does Vista have Outlook Express, and where is it? > > Your timely answer could save random innocent lives. Windows Mail I don't know squat about Vista, but this may help anyway. The executable file for my Windows XP version of Outlook Express is called msimn.exe. Do a file search for it and see what you get. If that doesn't work, try a search for the words Outlook Express of msoe*.* Lee >I don't know squat about Vista, but this may help anyway. The executable >file for my Windows XP version of Outlook Express is called msimn.exe. Do >a file search for it and see what you get. If that doesn't work, try a >search for the words Outlook Express of msoe*.* I had Scott help me pick up a new laptop this weekend, just a stopgap until the custom order is ready, and AFAICT, Vista is the only common choice. OE does not seem to be on the machine anywhere. I wonder if it can be downloaded? I know you can get upgrades for it. OUTLOOK is horrifying. > I had Scott help me pick up a new laptop this weekend, just a stopgap >until the custom order is ready, and AFAICT, Vista is the only common [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > OUTLOOK is horrifying. Unfortunately, as Janusz said, OE and Outlook have both been replaced by "Windows Mail." I quote the following from my "Windows Vista" Installation Manual: "Windows Mail is an improved e-mail program that filters junk mail and can help protect you from attacks aimed at stealing your personal information, and malicious software delivered through e-mail attachments." While I gather you probably could get OE to work under Vista if you could accumualte all the right components to install, it would be difficult as Windows Mail probably is built for more advanced versions of ".NET" and for the "Areo" graphical representation platform. I would think OE would choke on that, or cause other Vista components to choke if you tried to install it and all the supporting modules over a clean Vista install. That's why I use Agent 4.x for USENET and e-mail (at home anyway). Works like a charm. Of course, I have yet to install it on Vista, but I'm confident it will work. If you're interested: http://www.forteinc.com/agent/vista.php ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold Visit my Travel Photo Website: http://www.mag3.biz/travel_photos/home_page.html Absolutely 100% SPAM free!!!! HONEST!!! :-) > "Windows Mail is an improved e-mail program that filters junk mail > and can help protect you from attacks aimed at stealing your personal > information, and malicious software delivered through e-mail attachments." In other words, trade one set of bugs and security holes for a completely different set... As if XP didn't screw up enough applications to prevent them from working, I hate to think how many additional ones that Vista have screwed up... > That's why I use Agent 4.x for USENET and e-mail (at home anyway). Works like a charm. > Of course, I have yet to install it on Vista, but I'm confident it will work. I use Agent on one of my machines... It's not perfect... It doesn't do everything that I want, but neither do any of the other newsreaders out there... I have installed different newsreaders on different machines in the hope that I would encounter one of them that did *everything* that I want... No such luck... Pan is pretty good though... >I use Agent on one of my machines... It's not perfect... Agent has served me well for almost all of my Internet lifetime (more than 10 years). I still keep threads going back that far in some of my newsgroup folders. The last major release gave me "personae" which is really what I needed/wanted (ie. multiple e-mail identities) to help fight spammage, or at least track it better. >It doesn't do everything that I want, but neither do any of the other newsreaders >out there... I have installed different newsreaders on different >machines in the hope that I would encounter one of them that did >*everything* that I want... No such luck... Just out of curiosity, what do you need that they don't provide? ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold > Just out of curiosity, what do you need that they don't provide? With Pan, I have a few more fields to filter on... I filter on the Message-ID field with it... I want to be able to filter on any and all fields that are in the message header... Any header... Organization, NNTP-Posting-Host, X-No-Archive, X-Complaints-To... ANY HEADER... >> "Windows Mail is an improved e-mail program that filters junk mail >> and can help protect you from attacks aimed at stealing your personal [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >*everything* that I want... No such luck... Pan is pretty good >though... I've been running Forte Agent for a long time. I tried Pan, Knode, and some other newsreaders and have come back always to Agent. Currently I'm running 4.X under Linux with Wine. It was a no-brainer to set up, it was so easy. I have this machine set up as a dual-boot machine so I can get to Windows if I need, but I find myself booting to the Microsoft side less and less as time passes. You can get to the Windows partition from the Linux side for data, pictures, music and stuff but you can't easily run any Windows programs. I haven't yet found a way to get to the Linux side if you boot Windows, but I haven't tried real hard, either. -- Galen Hekhuis ghekhuis@earthlink.net "Mistakes were made" On May 7, 11:29 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > I had Scott help me pick up a new laptop this weekend, just a stopgap > until the custom order is ready, and AFAICT, Vista is the only common [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > OUTLOOK is horrifying. Microsoft to kick Vista's e-mail app to the curb Also on tap, a new connector to link Hotmail to Outlook Gregg Keizer Today's Top Stories or Other Windows Stories May 08, 2007 (Computerworld) -- As it rolled out its revamped Windows Live Hotmail yesterday, Microsoft Corp. also promised it would deliver replacements for the Outlook Express and Windows Mail desktop clients along with new software to integrate Web mail with the corporate Outlook program. Windows Live Mail will replace Outlook Express on Windows XP and Windows Mail on Vista in "the coming weeks," said Microsoft. The program, which will handle POP, IMAP and Windows Live Hotmail accounts, was characterized as a faster, more robust version of Windows Live Mail desktop beta, which has been in testing for Windows XP. The beta will be retired. According to a Windows Live Mail blog, the new client will sport features from Outlook Express, Windows Mail and the Windows Live Mail desktop beta. A redesigned interface supports Vista's Aero look and feel -- the first Windows Live offering to do so -- and the program adds S/MIME and LDAP support. It will be advertisement-free. Also due in the next few weeks, said Microsoft, is an updated Outlook Connector, software that synchronizes messages, address books, tasks and calendars between Windows Live Hotmail and Outlook 2003 and Outlook 2007. An earlier edition of the Connector was launched by Microsoft last November. Swapping in the Windows Live Mail client for Vista's Windows Mail might surprise Vista users, since the operating system has been out less than four months. On May 7, 11:29 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > OUTLOOK is horrifying. I feel your pain. We have Outlook in work and it sucks. At home I use Eudora for email and Gravity for NG's. > On May 7, 11:29 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > At home I use Eudora for email and Gravity for NG's. I'm using NetScape 7.2 for newsreader, love it. Do NOT try to upgrade to 8.x as that is a browser only. The only problem with NS is that you have to periodically go in to the "inbox" files and manually empty them as not all email actually deletes, and the reader chokes. Agent is great for downloading binaries (music & porn) but sucks as a newsreader, imho. Firefox is good for browsing. A big problem is that no one writes anything for anything but Microsoft anymore, ya have to keep IE as a backup. m > I feel your pain. We have Outlook in work and it sucks. It could be worse -- you could have Lotus Notes... > OE does not seem to be on the machine anywhere. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > OUTLOOK is horrifying. I think Outlook Expess is embedded in Microsoft Office. http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/ Try it. I *never* use IE any more. XP and Vista are the Devils seed. > http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/ > > Try it. I *never* use IE any more. I'm using Thunderbird on the machine that I'm using right now... The email spam filtering is pretty damn good... There is one email account that I never use, but it gets quite a bit of spam on it each day... I used to use it as my reply-to address for newsgroup postings and as such, it was harvested by the spammers and gets spammed all the time... Thunderbird shitcans the spam and leaves the Inbox nice and clean... Unfortunately though, Thunderbird's newsgroup filtering does not have everything that I want in a newsreader... But then again, neither does any of the other newsreaders... Oh well... Grumman-581 <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :I'm using Thunderbird on the machine that I'm using right now... The :email spam filtering is pretty damn good... I tried it and didn't like it. Too keyboard unfreindly. I forget the details. Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > I tried it and didn't like it. Too keyboard unfreindly. I > forget the details. That's because you're not smart enough, Dan. Scott <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :That's because you're not smart enough, Dan. I go with what I got, no matter how little of it there is. Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. On May 7, 1:35 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > Does Vista have Outlook Express, and where is it? > > Your timely answer could save random innocent lives. Well, it's like asking: "does Chevrolet Impala have a roofrack, and where is it?" Although they're both made by the same company (Microsoft), they're separate products. Vista is an operating system (like car make/model: Chevrolet Impala), while Outlook Express is an add-on piece of software (like car accessory: roofrack). Whether there is one depends if previous owner (retailer if you bought new) decided to install this particular piece of software. Piece of advice: unless your employer requires it, use a different mail client. > On May 7, 1:35 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Piece of advice: unless your employer requires it, use a different > mail client. For anyone that didn't catch it, OE allows me to read RS and my mail in the same place (so I don't wander out into cyberspace and get lost). As soon as I get back from... TORONTO (Ooohhhhhh Carrrrrlllllllll), We'll have to teach Popeye about newsreaders. I just got the mount for the 20" flatscreen on the dash of the truck for maps. And coming back soon- Buzcutt454!!(@finalprotectivefire.com). I just bought an old 454 Suburban for a dive-mo-beel. "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: : As soon as I get back from... TORONTO (Ooohhhhhh Carrrrrlllllllll), We'll :have to teach Popeye about newsreaders. Play your cards right and someone who lives in TO can show you. Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > And coming back soon- Buzcutt454!!(@finalprotectivefire.com). > > I just bought an old 454 Suburban for a dive-mo-beel. No muckin' about with faggoty BMW, Lexus, Accura and the rest of the metrosexual SUV trash. On 15 Maj, 01:52, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > On May 7, 1:35 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > I just bought an old 454 Suburban for a dive-mo-beel. Does it mean that now you are the real suburban redneck? > Well, it's like asking: "does Chevrolet Impala have a roofrack, and > where is it?" [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Whether there is one depends if previous owner (retailer if you bought > new) decided to install this particular piece of software. Actually, OE has come with the default distribution of various flavors of Windows over the years... A better comparison would be between a car and the tires... It comes with one particular brand, it might not be the best, but it works -- and you're free to change it to your personal preference... > Piece of advice: unless your employer requires it, use a different > mail client. OE is acceptable as long as you can learn not to click on everything that gets sent to you... There are better email clients out there and *definitely* better newsgroup readers, but it works well enough... I have quite a few different machines on my home network and it's quite likely that they all have at least one different email or newsgroup client other than OE... Although there are better clients than OE, there are also worse -- Lotus Notes and cc:Mail come to mind... <blech> |
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