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Scuba Forum / General / May 2007Our Coral Reefs Are Under Attack Again! HELP!
Our Coral Reefs Are Under Attack Again! They need your help to survive. On April 13, the Florida Department of Environmental Protection (FDEP) announced plans to issue a permit to open a new ocean outfall to discharge nutrient-laden wastewater into the coral reef ecosystem one mile offshore of Lake Worth, Florida. The wastewater is a byproduct of a Reverse Osmosis (RO) process that produces drinking water, but the effluent will contain the same concentration of ammonia and other nutrient pollutants as the infamous Delray Beach sewage ocean outfall.The FDEP has asked for public comments to be submitted before the final permit is issued.The public comment period ends May 13, 2007. What you can do? Write the FDEP before the public comment period ends and tell them not to issue any new ocean discharge permits. Click on this link: http://www.wadespage.com/PublicComments/LakeWorthOutflowComment_Input.shtml to get to our preformatted email sender. You are one click away from helping to save a coral reef by telling the FDEP not to issue a permit to dump nutrient pollution. You do not have to be a Florida resident to respond. The Clean Water Act ia a federal law and our coral reefs are a national treasure. Here is some of what is at stake: This 4 foot diameter Giant Brain Coral on Horseshoe Reef sits in the path of the proposed Lake Worth ocean outfall wastewater stream. This ancient sentinel of the reef began life about the time the Declaration of Independence was being signed. Will nutrient pollution be allowed to write the final chapter in the life of one of Palm Beach Countys oldest living treasures? PLEASE HELP Send an email to the FDEP. Please forward this email to everyone on your mailing list. Time is running out. Thank you, Ed Tichenor Palm Beach County Reef Rescue PO Box 207 Boynton Beach, FL 33425 www.reef-rescue.org 561 699-8559 If you prefer to send you own email, here are the rules the FDEP has established: The comments or request for a public meeting must contain the following information: Re: City of Lake Worth Reverse Osmosis, WTP PA File No.:FL0427187-001-IW5A/NP City of Lake Worth, Palm Beach County Mr. Michael Thew, P.E. Water Systems Superintendent 1900 2nd Avenue North Lake Worth, FL 33461 (a) The commenters name, address, and telephone number, the applicant's name and address, the Department Permit File Number and the county in which the project is proposed; (b) A statement of how and when notice of the Department's action or proposed action was received; (c) A statement of the facts the Department should consider in making the final decision; (d) A statement of which rules or statutes require reversal or modification of the Department's action or proposed action; and (e) If desired, a request that a public meeting be scheduled including a statement of the nature of the issues proposed to be raised at the meeting. However, the Department may not always grant a request for a public meeting. You can snail mail to:Florida Department of Environmental Protection, Southeast District Office, 400 N. Congress Ave, Suite 200, West Palm Beach, FL 33401-2913 Attention: Linda A. Brien, P.G., Water Facilities Administrator Or email: Linda.Brien@dep.state.fl.us, Write your congress person. Or maybe Al Gore... E-mail on the way. > Our Coral Reefs Are Under Attack Again! > They need your help to survive. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > to issue any new ocean discharge permits. > Click on this link: http://www.wadespage.com/PublicComments/LakeWorthOutflowComment_Input.shtml > to get to our preformatted email sender. You are one click away from > helping to save a coral reef by telling the FDEP not to issue a permit [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > Or email: Linda.Brien@dep.state.fl.us, > Write your congress person. > > Or maybe Al Gore... > > E-mail on the way. Thanks, dude. The response letter is properly formatted and addressed, all you have to do is enter the personal info which is required. There is a block to personalize the letter if you want. You might mention the tens of thousands of dollars you spend as a tourist to visit these reefs... The game is beginning to look a bit like Wack-A-Mole - Reef Rescue uses existing laws and regulations to prevent this crap, and the dumpers try end-arounds like this to continue the same old crap. We are under severe water restrictions here in SoFla right now, yet our public officials have no plans to stop dumping 500 million gallons a day of nutrient laden water on the reefs every day. That water can be further treated and recycled as irrigation or even drinking water, and the cost is surprizingly low. But as long as no one cares, nothing will be done until the reefs are all dead and the aquifers are filled with salt water. esg > > Write your congress person. > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > But as long as no one cares, nothing will be done until the reefs are > all dead and the aquifers are filled with salt water. I pointed out that with all the money coming into the area, the realtors are raking it in, that in this day and age there is no conscionable reason why they should be allowed to pump anything into the ocean, and that they should tax realtors and people purchasing the homes that are polluting the ocean. I tried my best to sound like a liberal democrat, but I am not very good at it. It's hard to do when you use more than one square... > But as long as no one cares, nothing will be done until the reefs > are all dead and the aquifers are filled with salt water. talk dirty to me some more! I want to by your child. Can you suggest a glory hole that we can meet at? I await your love juice! > But as long as no one cares, nothing will be done until the reefs are > all dead and the aquifers are filled with salt water. Environmentalists' cries have fallen on ever-deafer ears since anti- environment Bush stole the election from environmentalist Gore back in '99. A lot of us care. Vote Democrat. Vote Democrat. Vote surrender  Signature“TAANSTAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 ____________________________________________________________________________ On May 2, 2:54 pm, dazed and confuzzed <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote: > Vote Democrat. > > Vote surrender Who are you surrendering to? The Republican vote guarantees you'll surrender to big business, which wants nothing less than to develop and pollute the rest of Florida without any controls. > On May 2, 2:54 pm, dazed and confuzzed <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > wants nothing less than to develop and pollute the rest of Florida > without any controls. The Clean Water Act preceded both Dem and Republican administrations and Congresses. It was supposed to be enforced by a succession of both Dem and Republican state administrations. Trying to assess blame along party lines is a waste of effort that should be directed to making change, now. esg > Trying to assess blame along party lines is a waste of effort that > should be directed to making change, now. Sure, that's what the people that caused the problem in the first place always say. The rest of us say, "you made your bed . . ." >>Trying to assess blame along party lines is a waste of effort that >>should be directed to making change, now. > > Sure, that's what the people that caused the problem in the first > place always say. The rest of us say, "you made your bed . . ." The Clean Water Act was an unfunded mandate passed by a Democrat Congress and signed by a Democrat President. It was unfunded because the national treasury was pissed away on Democrat pork: all efforts to establish federal funding and federal enforcement mechanisms were rejected by Jimmy Carter and his Democrat controlled Congress. We did indeed make our bed.... But who's "the rest of us" and what makes them think lip service begets change? esg p.s. Reef Rescue's effort to stop the latest atrocity in violation of the CWA, by a Democrat governor charged with CWA enforcement, is already showing results: the Democrat mayor of Lake Worth promised us yesterday to rethink the project and the FDEP is scrambling under a barrage of protest letters. This is one Democrat fuckup that ain't gonna happen! They may have caused the problem in the first place, but Reef Rescue, a non-political action organization, is not going to allow the problem to go on forever. > The Clean Water Act was an unfunded mandate passed by a Democrat > Congress and signed by a Democrat President. All mandates are unfunded unless they're funded. Too bad Republicans controlled the funding for so long. > It was unfunded because the national treasury was pissed away on > Democrat pork: all efforts to establish federal funding and federal > enforcement mechanisms were rejected by Jimmy Carter and his Democrat > controlled Congress. Think about what even a fraction of all the hundreds of billions of dollars pissed away in Iraq could do for your pet reef. > p.s. Reef Rescue's effort to stop the latest atrocity in violation of > the CWA, by a Democrat governor charged with CWA enforcement, is already [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > non-political action organization, is not going to allow the problem to > go on forever. This shouldn't be a county issue. Its consequences are too far- ranging to be determined by a corrupt municipal government. Why don't you write your corrupt Republican governor and see if he'll step in like he stepped in with Terri Schiavo? > Why don't > you write your corrupt Republican governor and see if he'll step in > like he stepped in with Terri Schiavo? Anybody wanna inform "mr kia" of his blatant errors here? > > Why don't > > you write your corrupt Republican governor and see if he'll step in > > like he stepped in with Terri Schiavo? > > Anybody wanna inform "mr kia" of his blatant errors here? Nope. Ignorance suits a bigot of his caliber just fine. > > Why don't > > you write your corrupt Republican governor and see if he'll step in > > like he stepped in with Terri Schiavo? > > Anybody wanna inform "mr kia" of his blatant errors here? Maybe so. The fact is, the outflows' potential harm to the reefs far outweighs the concerns of an individual brain-dead lady. Surely your current governor would feel it's in the State's interest for him to step in and cause a big ruckus like his predecessor did in the brain- dead-lady case. After all, Republicans care about the environment too, don't they? > Maybe so. The fact is, the outflows' potential harm to the reefs far > outweighs the concerns of an individual brain-dead lady. Surely your > current governor would feel it's in the State's interest for him to > step in and cause a big ruckus like his predecessor did in the brain- > dead-lady case. After all, Republicans care about the environment > too, don't they? In fact, we're kind of hoping our Governor will have something to say on the subject. By the way, not everyone agrees that the actions taken relative to Terry were not in her best interest. Lee > In fact, we're kind of hoping our Governor will have something to say on the > subject. > > By the way, not everyone agrees that the actions taken relative to Terry > were not in her best interest. Whether or not they were, it was ludicrous for your governor to get involved. This is purely an issue for the family members, physicians, and the local courts if necessary. What does the executive branch have to do with it? On the other hand, monitoring state pollution is squarely in the seat of the Governor's pants. Of course he might not agree that intervening with the outflow plans is in his, I mean the developers', I mean the State's best interests. Money talks. sh.t happens. >> By the way, not everyone agrees that the actions taken relative to Terry >> were not in her best interest. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and the local courts if necessary. What does the executive branch > have to do with it? He supported her immediate family, at her immediate family's request. That request pretty much made it his business. I have to say, that of all the people, from all the states, that could criticize Florida's former governor for the decisions he made, those from California are the last I expected to hear from. People in glass houses, and all of that. > On the other hand, monitoring state pollution is squarely in the seat of > the Governor's pants. Of course he might not agree that > intervening with the outflow plans is in his, I mean the developers', I > mean the State's best interests. Money talks. sh.t happens. Particularly in California, for which I'm still paying insurance premiums for people to build houses on top of mud cliffs. Lee > >> By the way, not everyone agrees that the actions taken relative to Terry > >> were not in her best interest. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > He supported her immediate family, at her immediate family's request. That > request pretty much made it his business. So your governor personally supported all of its citizens at their mere request? He must have kept real busy, unlike that woodchopper brother of his that always seems to have time for more vacation. > I have to say, that of all the people, from all the states, that could > criticize Florida's former governor for the decisions he made, those from > California are the last I expected to hear from. People in glass houses, > and all of that. Our governor could easily kick your governor's a.s and that's all there is to know. > Particularly in California, for which I'm still paying insurance premiums > for people to build houses on top of mud cliffs. I didn't know you had property in California. I figured your insurance premiums in Florida were high enough from living in one of the most flood and hurricane and fire and lightning prone places on earth, not to mention the mosquitoes and gators and falling coconuts. Heck, you can't even take your boat out at night without worrying about catching the propeller on some wayward Cubans. >> Anybody wanna inform "mr kia" of his blatant errors here? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > step in and cause a big ruckus like his predecessor did in the brain- > dead-lady case. You seem to be very disrespectful as the recipient of her donated brain. > >> Anybody wanna inform "mr kia" of his blatant errors here? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You seem to be very disrespectful as the recipient of her donated brain. Donated? That brain cost me thousands on e-bay. Looks pretty good sitting on my mantle, though. >>>> Anybody wanna inform "mr kia" of his blatant errors here? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Donated? That brain cost me thousands on e-bay. Looks pretty good > sitting on my mantle, though. Aha! There's the problem! The brain is sitting on the mantle!!!! >>>> Anybody wanna inform "mr kia" of his blatant errors here? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Donated? That brain cost me thousands on e-bay. Looks pretty good > sitting on my mantle, though. Abby's brain? Signature“TAANSTAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 ____________________________________________________________________________ > This shouldn't be a county issue. Its consequences are too far- > ranging to be determined by a corrupt municipal government. Why don't > you write your corrupt Republican governor and see if he'll step in > like he stepped in with Terri Schiavo? Because we have a different governor now? > > This shouldn't be a county issue. Its consequences are too far- > > ranging to be determined by a corrupt municipal government. Why don't > > you write your corrupt Republican governor and see if he'll step in > > like he stepped in with Terri Schiavo? > > Because we have a different governor now? A different corrupt Republican governor? A former Jeb Bush appointee, in fact? What's the difference? >> > This shouldn't be a county issue. Its consequences are too far- >> > ranging to be determined by a corrupt municipal government. Why don't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > A different corrupt Republican governor? A former Jeb Bush appointee, > in fact? What's the difference? The difference is, we can hardly credit our current governor with what our previous one did or did not do wrong. You, on the other hand, seem to have no problem doing so. Lee > >> > This shouldn't be a county issue. Its consequences are too far- > >> > ranging to be determined by a corrupt municipal government. Why don't [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You, on the other hand, seem to have no problem doing so. As your previous governor's attorney general when your previous governor was making legal challenges to pulling Schiavo's tube, we certainly can give him some credit. Don't we freely give partial credit to Gonzales for Bush's pro-torture stance? > As your previous governor's attorney general when your previous > governor was making legal challenges to pulling Schiavo's tube, we > certainly can give him some credit. Whatever. If they had decided to shoot her instead of starving her to death, you'd be on the other side in a gun rant. > > As your previous governor's attorney general when your previous > > governor was making legal challenges to pulling Schiavo's tube, we > > certainly can give him some credit. > > Whatever. If they had decided to shoot her instead of starving her to > death, you'd be on the other side in a gun rant. I can see the NRA headlines now: "Comatose Woman Fends Off Would-Be Tube-Snatchers With Her Trusty Glock" > Whatever. If they had decided to shoot her instead of starving her to > death, you'd be on the other side in a gun rant. Anyone arrogant and foolish enough to try and push the idea that Democrats are cut from a better cloth than the other whore in DC is suffering a complete disconnect from reality. http://newsbusters.org/node/12481 http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=articl e&id=262912332276692 http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20172 > Don't we freely give partial credit to Gonzales for Bush's pro-torture > stance? Blame it on Hillary. You seem to think she'll be the next President. Why don't you just admit that you made a mistake, that you forgot that the guy you're talking about today is not the guy that you were talking about then. Too much to expect? Lee > The Clean Water Act preceded both Dem and Republican administrations and > Congresses. It was supposed to be enforced by a succession of both Dem > and Republican state administrations. > > Trying to assess blame along party lines is a waste of effort that > should be directed to making change, now. Surely you didn't expect common sense, decency, honesty or real help from a liberal, far left LA lawyer. <rhetorical> > > The Clean Water Act preceded both Dem and Republican administrations and > > Congresses. It was supposed to be enforced by a succession of both Dem [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Surely you didn't expect common sense, decency, honesty or real help from a > liberal, far left LA lawyer. I gave $150 the last time around. How much real help did you give, you ignorant drunken gutter slime trailer-trash red-neck you? Figures. More cheap shots from the really cheap seats. > On May 2, 7:57 pm, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > More cheap shots from the really cheap seats. Wow. A redneck NASCAR reference, and an SNL replay. Your replies really need to be updated if you are going to continue to feel good about being on top. I really did expect better. What--you choked on a chicken bone with that low class response? Note: I did not say "teenage". ;) > Wow. A redneck NASCAR reference, and an SNL replay. Your replies really > need to be updated if you are going to continue to feel good about being on > top. I really did expect better. What--you choked on a chicken bone with > that low class response? Note: I did not say "teenage". ;) That rabid bigotry looks good on him, doesn't it? > That rabid bigotry looks good on him, doesn't it? How can you see all the way from those cheap seats? Answer the question, scumball. You question what I gave, I answered. What did you give other than running your putrifying "pussy" of a mouth yet again? > > That rabid bigotry looks good on him, doesn't it? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What did you give other than running your putrifying "pussy" of a > mouth yet again? As Scott often says, "the silence is deafening". What a pussy. No problem sniping from others' skirts whenever anyone else disagrees with me, but completely afraid to respond directly lest I once again make him look like a fool. Pussy or fool. A Hobson's choice. You'd almost have to feel sorry for the guy, if he weren't such a malignant tumor of a Usenet bully. > As Scott often says, "the silence is deafening". What a pussy. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > almost have to feel sorry for the guy, if he weren't such a malignant > tumor of a Usenet bully. From here it looks like he owns you and your sweet a.s Scott Koplin the pussy <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> > Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> wrote: >> As Scott often says, "the silence is deafening". What a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > From here it looks like he owns you and your sweet a.s Everybody knows it's you, pussy. Posting under someone else's nym is a true sign of a whining weak baby, Scotty. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Scott Koplin the pussy <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Posting under someone else's nym is a true sign of a whining > weak baby, Scotty. I thought you were gonna get him banned from the internet or something like that.... Signature“TAANSTAFL” ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 ____________________________________________________________________________ dazed and confuzzed <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> sputtered: >> Posting under someone else's nym is a true sign of a whining >> weak baby, Scotty. >> > I thought you were gonna get him banned from the internet I made no such assertion. But at least you recognize that Scotty has a long habit of nymshifting. His worship and fear of me is quite hilarious. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Our Coral Reefs Are Under Attack Again! > They need your help to survive. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > discharge nutrient-laden wastewater into the coral reef ecosystem one > mile offshore of Lake Worth, Florida. Unbefucking believable. We will, of course, send emails. Is there any reason I shouldn't cross-post this to the techie boards? >>Our Coral Reefs Are Under Attack Again! >>They need your help to survive. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Unbefucking believable. We will, of course, send emails. Is there any > reason I shouldn't cross-post this to the techie boards? PLEASE DO! >Our Coral Reefs Are Under Attack Again! >They need your help to survive. Mail sent. Rick Simms > >Our Coral Reefs Are Under Attack Again! > >They need your help to survive. > > Mail sent. > > Rick Simms Ditto. "As an avid scuba diver and one that has brought my tourism dollars to your area, I simply can not believe you would even consider the purposeful discharge of known-harmful nitrogen- and phosphoros- rich wastewater onto their environment, even without consideration of the Clean Water Act. I have been following the story of the Delray Outfall for years and I consider it unconsionable that you even have allowed the City of Lake Worth permitting process to get as far as it has. Your department is for Environmental Protection, which does not mean to despoil the environment by permitting more outflows to add more pollution. Your professional duty is to enforce the Clean Water Act. This means that you must deny this permit request, regardless of the policial pressure. If you fail to do so, you are demonstrably being negligent in your duties as a public servant who has been trusted with responsibility of being the curator of Public resources." -hh >>>Our Coral Reefs Are Under Attack Again! >>>They need your help to survive. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > -hh Very good! And thanks to all that responded. There are a few more days to get your letter in if you have not done so already. Thanks again for all the support. |
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