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Scuba Forum / General / May 2007So Long, France.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070415/ap_on_re_eu/germany_army_video_7 The Defense Ministry said the video was shot in July 2006 at barracks in the northern town of Rendsburg and that the army has been aware of it since January. "We are currently investigating the incident," said Florian Naggies, a spokesman for the army and Defense Ministry. He did not identify the instructor or the soldier. The clip shows an instructor and a soldier in camouflage uniforms in a forest. The instructor tells the soldier, "You are in the Bronx. A black van is stopping in front of you. Three African-Americans are getting out and they are insulting your mother in the worst ways. ... Act." The soldier fires his machine gun several times and yells an obscenity several times in English. The instructor then tells the soldier to curse even louder.  SignaturePopeye "Best thing for him, really, his therapy was going nowhere." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com "Douglas W \"Fatboy\" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> sputtered: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070415/ap_on_re_eu/germany_army_video_7 What does a German army video have to do with France, fuckwit. On 15 Kwi, 19:08, "Douglas W \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070415/ap_on_re_eu/germany_army_video_7 > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > www.finalprotectivefire.com FYI Germany and France are two different, independent countries and the movie is about German Army, what is even included in the link provided by you. Not too much schooling? Reading problems? So have fun watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE Janusz >FYI Germany and France are two different, independent countries and >the movie is about German Army, what is even included in the link >provided by you. >Not too much schooling? Reading problems? I assumed he was referring to Germany going back to its belligerent, militaristic ways of the past. As such, it won't be long until France is invaded and conquered as it was in the past. John Hanson <jhanson@northernlinks.com> sputtered: > I assumed he was referring to Germany going back to its belligerent, > militaristic ways of the past. You made that leap of logic based on one video of one German military personnel? Sheesh. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >John Hanson <jhanson@northernlinks.com> sputtered: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Sheesh. Did you read the article? The mention of German soldiers posing with skulls in Afganistan? The abuse of recruits by German drill instructors? Do try to keep up. John Hanson <jhanson@northernlinks.com> sputtered: > Did you read the article? The mention of German soldiers posing with > skulls in Afganistan? The abuse of recruits by German drill > instructors? Why do you think it's any different than what is going on in the USA military? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >John Hanson <jhanson@northernlinks.com> sputtered: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Why do you think it's any different than what is going on in the USA >military? Our military doesn't do enough of that sort of thing. Hell, I'd make Anabar Province a free fire zone. And, I wouldn't mind if Germany invaded France. > Our military doesn't do enough of that sort of thing. Hell, I'd make > Anabar Province a free fire zone. And, I wouldn't mind if Germany > invaded France. There are companies that hire mercenaries. Off you go! Just please first remove any personal items that might tie you back to *my country.* >> Our military doesn't do enough of that sort of thing. Hell, I'd make >> Anabar Province a free fire zone. And, I wouldn't mind if Germany >> invaded France. > >There are companies that hire mercenaries. Off you go! Just please first >remove any personal items that might tie you back to *my country.* According to Soldier of Fortune, there are no employment opportunities in Germany for the invasion of France. Nor are there any employment opportunities in Iraq that allow for indiscriminate liquidation of indigenous personnel. You're in Hawaii, aren't you? You aren't a real American then. >>> Our military doesn't do enough of that sort of thing. Hell, I'd make >>> Anabar Province a free fire zone. And, I wouldn't mind if Germany [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You're in Hawaii, aren't you? You aren't a real American then. He wasn't a real American -long- before he got to Hawaii. He's just pissed because all the money he sent to "Free Saddam From Tyranny" was wasted. "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message > He wasn't a real American -long- before he got to Hawaii. > > He's just pissed because all the money he sent to "Free Saddam From > Tyranny" was wasted. I've known you for how many years know Popeye? Isn't it time to grow up? > "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in > message > > He wasn't a real American -long- before he got to Hawaii. > > He's just pissed because all the money he sent to "Free Saddam From > > Tyranny" was wasted. > I've known you for how many years know Popeye? Isn't it time to grow up? What? While you and your kind endanger our troops and encourage our enemies, mainly over partisan angst? If anyone here needs to grow up it is you. > "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in > message [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I've known you for how many years know Popeye? Going on 10. > Isn't it time to grow up? If I was any happier with myself, I'd have to be two people. You're the dissenter... > "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in > message [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I've known you for how many years know Popeye? Going on 10. > Isn't it time to grow up? If I was any happier with myself, I'd have to be two people. You're the dissenter... On 17 Kwi, 21:07, "Douglas W \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in > > message [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > If I was any happier with myself, I'd have to be two people. Than you'd have be known as quarter-wit > You're the dissenter... > On 17 Kwi, 21:07, "Douglas W \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Than you'd have be known as quarter-wit And you'd still be witless, because twice nothing is still nothing. I presume you mean "then". Be careful about stuff like that. Some folks, such as well...yourself....get confused when wrong word is used. :-) Dennis On 18 Kwi, 04:49, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > And you'd still be witless, because twice nothing is still nothing. And you know how it is. > I presume you mean "then". Be careful about stuff like that. Some folks, > such as well...yourself....get confused when wrong word is used. > :-) > > Dennis > On 18 Kwi, 04:49, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > And you know how it is. Yes, every post you make. :-) Dennis On 19 Kwi, 00:10, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Yes, every post you make. :-) That was exactly my intention Janusz > On 19 Kwi, 00:10, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > > That was exactly my intention Its your intention to appear witless? Dennis On 19 Kwi, 15:27, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid> wrote: > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Its your intention to appear witless? http://www.top20fun.com/funny_jokes/1298.html I quit > You're in Hawaii, aren't you? You aren't a real American then. I always love this one... My family were Puritans in the original Bay Colony. When did you arrive? >> You're in Hawaii, aren't you? You aren't a real American then. > >I always love this one... > >My family were Puritans in the original Bay Colony. When did you arrive? I was born here and Puritans were really f.cked up people. No wonder they were chased out of Europe. > I was born here and Puritans were really f.cked up people. No wonder > they were chased out of Europe. LOL! I'd ask you what you mean by "really f.cked up" but there is obviously no point in doing so. Please consider suicide. >> I was born here and Puritans were really f.cked up people. No wonder >> they were chased out of Europe. > >LOL! I'd ask you what you mean by "really f.cked up" but there is obviously >no point in doing so. Please consider suicide. Do the Salem Witch Trials ring a bell? >>> I was born here and Puritans were really f.cked up people. No wonder >>> they were chased out of Europe. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Do the Salem Witch Trials ring a bell? He's exhibiting some typical liberal tolerance. > >> I was born here and Puritans were really f.cked up people. No wonder > >> they were chased out of Europe. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Do the Salem Witch Trials ring a bell? What is it? Some kind of rec.scuba ritual? Janusz > >John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com> sputtered: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Our military doesn't do enough of that sort of thing. Hell, I'd make > Anabar Province a free fire zone. OMG Do you really want to start war with Russia? (Anabar is a river in Russia) > And, I wouldn't mind if Germany > invaded France. > John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com> sputtered: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Why do you think it's any different than what is going on in the USA > military? for example http://tinyurl.com/shxf4 or http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?site_area=1&aid=197 Janusz >>John Hanson <jhanson@northernlinks.com> sputtered: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > skulls in Afganistan? The abuse of recruits by German drill > instructors? Do try to keep up. <snicker> Newbies, Jesus. Is it Spring already? On 16 Kwi, 04:02, "Douglas W \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > >>John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com> sputtered: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Is it Spring already? Yes it is. Nobody told you? <snip> > Did you read the article? The mention of German soldiers posing with > skulls in Afganistan? The abuse of recruits by German drill > instructors? Do try to keep up. You'rte asking the impossible, John. Also, the next time you're tempted to reply to that person, you may first consider trying the response on one of your weights. You'll get more meaningful response. Dennis >>FYI Germany and France are two different, independent countries and >>the movie is about German Army, what is even included in the link [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > militaristic ways of the past. As such, it won't be long until France > is invaded and conquered as it was in the past. Who is this Janus dipshit? Is he new here? Apparently he has a schooling and reading problem. Anyway, as John easily gets it..., It won't be long now. :-) > Who is this Janus dipshit? Your favorite America hating pollack. > Is he new here? > > Apparently he has a schooling and reading problem. Just another typical European hypocrite. > Anyway, as John easily gets it..., > It won't be long now. :-) This time we'll just mind our own business and let the two sort it out. >> Who is this Janus dipshit? > > Your favorite America hating pollack. He's the Jew-hater, right? The one who specifically stated that the Jews "deserved" the Holocaust? The one Futile John Francis admires so much? He hangs around like some internet fungus. >> Is he new here? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > This time we'll just mind our own business and let the two sort it out. > He's the Jew-hater, right? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > He hangs around like some internet fungus. One and the same. > > He's the Jew-hater, right? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > One and the same. the same who kicked your a.s several times and still is waiting for some answers or perhaps your new lies. > > Who is this Janus dipshit? > > Your favorite America hating pollack. Oh, Scotty. Do you want to offend your ancestry? As I remember once you told us that you are true mongrel: part German, part Polish, part Jewish, part Dutch and Husky. > > Is he new here? > > > Apparently he has a schooling and reading problem. > > Just another typical European hypocrite. Don't use words which meaning you don't understand. Janusz > >>FYI Germany and France are two different, independent countries and > >>the movie is about German Army, what is even included in the link [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Who is this Janus dipshit? Someone who should be concerned, because after all there's not that much lebensraum towards the west, as there is towards the east. Dennis >> >>FYI Germany and France are two different, independent countries and >> >>the movie is about German Army, what is even included in the link [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Someone who should be concerned, because after all there's not that much > lebensraum towards the west, as there is towards the east. Hasn't Germany -flattened- and occupied that area once or twice before? Or was it the U.S.S.R.? Or both? <snip> > >> Who is this Janus dipshit? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Or both? Both. NSA might want to start checking for signs of a Merkel-Putin pact. Dennis On 16 Kwi, 04:00, "Douglas W \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > On 15 Apr 2007 12:28:36 -0700, "janus...@hotmail.com" > > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.scuba: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Is he new here? Alzheimer???? > Apparently he has a schooling and reading problem. > > Anyway, as John easily gets it..., > > It won't be long now. :-) > On 15 Apr 2007 12:28:36 -0700, "janus...@hotmail.com" > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.scuba: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > militaristic ways of the past. As such, it won't be long until France > is invaded and conquered as it was in the past. Interesting. On the basis of isolated incident (BTW showing extreme stupidity of the instructor) you are making general assumption, especially regarding future invasion of France. Ridiculous. FYI there were no single remark about France, but the target of choice was Americans. Does it means that the German Army is going to attack New York? Janusz > > On 15 Apr 2007 12:28:36 -0700, "janus...@hotmail.com" > > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.scuba: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > stupidity of the instructor) you are making general assumption, > especially regarding future invasion of France. Have you ever heard of a thing called satire? > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Have you ever heard of a thing called satire? No. Is it French invention? > > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > No. Is it French invention? It depends on exactly which definition you choose to go with, but it's generally credited as a Greek invention. Some people argue that the first real satire was Roman. YMMV. >>>Have you ever heard of a thing called satire? >> >>No. Is it French invention? > > It depends on exactly which definition you choose to go with, but it's generally credited as a Greek > invention. Some people argue that the first real satire was Roman. YMMV. However the first wannabe rec.scuba Satyr is Polish. Matthias > >>>Have you ever heard of a thing called satire? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > However the first wannabe rec.scuba Satyr is Polish. I'm not sure what the doctors did you, but your sense of humor is improving a bit Janusz P.S. biopsy was negative I hope? >>>>>Have you ever heard of a thing called satire? >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > P.S. biopsy was negative I hope? Luckily, yes. Still the lab data are classified as highly suspectable. Next round in 3 months. Matthias > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Matthias I keep crossed fingers Janusz > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > It depends on exactly which definition you choose to go with, but it's generally credited as a Greek > invention. Some people argue that the first real satire was Roman. YMMV. The word origin for satire - 1500-1600 French from Latin satura satira The Elizabethan (i.e. 16th century English) writers did not know about the real origin of the word satire, and stressed only the Greek- influenced derivative, so that they believed it to relate to the half- animal, half-human satyr, that lived in the wild and was full of grim. They related it only to the notoriously rude, harse and sharp satyr play. That way, authors attempting satire developed an even more biting pamphlet than the (well-known) Roman original satire was. The discussion ended when French Huguenot Isaac Casaubon discovered in 1605 that satire was a Roman term, ending the misunderstanding. Since then it referred again to the "amendment of vices" (Dryden). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire Too many miles? ;-) Janusz Give it up! France was right and you were wrong. Not like I didn't tell you so. By the way, did you ever make it over to Iraq? kula > Give it up! France was right and you were wrong. Not like I didn't tell > you so. If I was you, I'd see if I can get a President elected before I ran my mouth (like you've been doing the last 6 years). > By the way, did you ever make it over to Iraq? Nah, I'm waiting for Iran now. "Douglas W \"Fatboy\" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> sputtered: >> By the way, did you ever make it over to Iraq? > > Nah, I'm waiting for Iran now. You're waiting to make up a new excuse about why you're not going there, Fatboy? Why wait? We know you'll come up with another round of lame excuses. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> By the way, did you ever make it over to Iraq? > > Nah, I'm waiting for Iran now. Oh yah, four years later and 100s of thousands of dead later (not to mention the billions of $), I'm sure you are even more of an imposing arm-chair warrior now. kula > Oh yah, four years later and 100s of thousands of dead later (not to > mention the billions of $), Lets not forget the contribution you and those like you have made. This war could have been over and done with a long time ago, but with you encouraging Islamic Fascists, they decided they have a chance, and with your help they might. > I'm sure you are even more of an imposing > arm-chair warrior now. So, what branch was it you served in? >> Oh yah, four years later and 100s of thousands of dead later (not to >> mention the billions of $), [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > So, what branch was it you served in? We were in the Marines back when he was in French Maid School. On 16 Kwi, 20:33, "Douglas W \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > >> Oh yah, four years later and 100s of thousands of dead later (not to > >> mention the billions of $), [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > We were in the Marines back when he was in French Maid School. Wannabe Marine story. Douggy you were kicked out. No combat experience. > > Oh yah, four years later and 100s of thousands of dead later (not to > > mention the billions of $), [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > encouraging Islamic Fascists, they decided they have a chance, and with your > help they might. Scotty as usual you are wrong. The war was screwed so badly since beginning. http://nobloodforhubris.blogspot.com/2006/01/brit-general-us-army-racist-slow-wr ong.html "American officers in Iraq displayed such "cultural insensitivity" that it "arguably amounted to institutional racism" and may have spurred the growth of the insurgency". > > I'm sure you are even more of an imposing > > arm-chair warrior now. > > So, what branch was it you served in? Tell us better which branch got rid of you? And why so fast? Janusz >> Oh yah, four years later and 100s of thousands of dead later (not to >> mention the billions of $), > > Lets not forget the contribution you and those like you have made. > > This war could have been over and done with a long time ago, Just like Vietnam >>> Oh yah, four years later and 100s of thousands of dead later (not to >>> mention the billions of $), [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Just like Vietnam Or World War 2. >>>> Oh yah, four years later and 100s of thousands of dead later (not to >>>> mention the billions of $), [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Or World War 2. but we won that one. Vietnam we lost but there are still alot of people saying we could've won. Maybe we could have, who knows? but we didn't > >>>> Oh yah, four years later and 100s of thousands of dead later (not to > >>>> mention the billions of $), [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Vietnam we lost but there are still alot of people saying we could've won. > Maybe we could have, who knows? but we didn't http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/96winter/record.htm The United States could not have prevented the forcible reunification of Vietnam under communist auspices at a morally, materially, and strategically acceptable price Richard Nixon, who blamed Congress for Saigon's fall, was nonetheless sympathetic: Congress was in part the prisoner of events. The leaders of the United States in the crucial years of the early and mid-1960s failed to come up with a strategy that would produce victory. Instead, they simply poured in more and more US troops and materiel into South Vietnam. . . . They misled the public by insisting we were winning the war and thereby prepared the war for defeatism and demagoguery later on. The American people could not be expected to continue indefinitely to support a war in which they were told victory was around the corner, but which required greater and greater effort without any obvious signs of improvement.[49] just like in Iraq - no lessons learned? Janusz > Vietnam we lost but there are still alot of people saying we could've won. > Maybe we could have, who knows? but we didn't Because our civilian leaders were not willing to go to the extremes necessary to win the war... Of course, one could definitely argue that our current civilian leadership has also not been willing to go to the extremes necessary for a quick victory in this war either... Of course, *my* plan would have worked, but nobody up there fuckin' listens to *me*... >>>>> Oh yah, four years later and 100s of thousands of dead later (not to >>>>> mention the billions of $), [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > but we won that one. We haven't lost this one. >>>>> Oh yah, four years later and 100s of thousands of dead later (not to >>>>> mention the billions of $), [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > but we won that one. We haven't lost this one. >>>>>> Oh yah, four years later and 100s of thousands of dead later (not to >>>>>> mention the billions of $), [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > We haven't lost this one. Yet > "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in >>>>>>> Oh yah, four years later and 100s of thousands of dead later (not to >>>>>>> mention the billions of $), [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Yet You and kula can keep your hopes up. >> "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > You and kula can keep your hopes up. Love to see a free and democratic Iraq but IMHO it won't happen because of the history and dynamics of the country. <snip> > > You and kula can keep your hopes up. > > Love to see a free and democratic Iraq but IMHO it won't happen because of > the history and dynamics of the country. Uhmm...you're aware of the 3 elections that've already taken place, right? Looks like they're off to a decent start. And that's 3 more than they would've had under Saddam. Dennis > <snip> >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Uhmm...you're aware of the 3 elections that've already taken place, right? > Looks like they're off to a decent start. sorry the US has how many soldiers in Iraq trying to keep the country together? As I said before this war started the best that could happen after Saddam was toppled was a loose Federation of 3 states. Unfortunately more likely it will descend into civil war with a fundamentalist regime/s ending up in control and further destabilisation of the ME and further threats to the west > And that's 3 more than they would've had under Saddam. they had lots of elections under Saddam it's just that they weren't very fair. As I said I would love to see a free and democratic Iraq i just don't think it is going to happen > Dennis > As I said before this war started Got a cite for that? >> As I said before this war started > > Got a cite for that? yep read al my comments and predictions http://groups.google.com.au/groups?as_q=Iraq+civil+war&num=10&scoring=r&hl=en&as _epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=dechucka&lr=&as_drrb=q&a s_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=19&as_maxm=4&as_maxy=2007&safe=o ff >>> As I said before this war started >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://groups.google.com.au/groups?as_q=Iraq+civil+war&num=10&scoring=r&hl=en&as _epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=dechucka&lr=&as_drrb=q&a s_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=19&as_maxm=4&as_maxy=2007&safe=o ff That's nice. Got some from -before- the war started? >>>> As I said before this war started >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Got some from -before- the war started? can't you read > > <snip> > >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > sorry the US has how many soldiers in Iraq trying to keep the country > together? About 3,000 or so. > As I said before this war started the best that could happen after Saddam > was toppled was a loose Federation of 3 states. Unfortunately more likely it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > they had lots of elections under Saddam it's just that they weren't very > fair. Thats why I didn't count those. > As I said I would love to see a free and democratic Iraq i just don't think > it is going to happen Well,we are giving it a shot. Dennis > in >> >> message news:132asl4p3kv2m06@news.supernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > About 3,000 or so. That is an aweful large number of "or so's >> As I said before this war started the best that could happen after Saddam >> was toppled was a loose Federation of 3 states. Unfortunately more likely [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Well,we are giving it a shot. doesn't seem to be working UNFORTUNATLY but yes we will keep trying > Dennis > > in > >> >> message news:132asl4p3kv2m06@news.supernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > That is an aweful large number of "or so's We did lose far more in Korea and Viet Nam > >> As I said before this war started the best that could happen after Saddam > >> was toppled was a loose Federation of 3 states. Unfortunately more likely [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > doesn't seem to be working UNFORTUNATLY but yes we will keep trying It took 8 years of fighting for the US to win free of Britian. Then another few years after that to get a handle on creating a representative republic. These things take time. Dennis >> >> >> "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> > wrote [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > We did lose far more in Korea and Viet Nam I asked how many soldiers/marines etc was it currntly taking to keep Iraq in its current state >> >> As I said before this war started the best that could happen after > Saddam [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > few years after that to get a handle on creating a representative > republic. interesting choice of example that was a local population trying to get rid of a foreign power <snip> > >> > About 3,000 or so. > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I asked how many soldiers/marines etc was it currntly taking to keep Iraq in > its current state And you seemed to think the number I gave was rather high. Just trying to put it in perspective. <snip> > >> > Well,we are giving it a shot. > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > interesting choice of example that was a local population trying to get rid > of a foreign power Yep - a key difference being that it was freedom-loving colonists trying to throw off the yoke of an oppressive power. In Iraq, rebels seeking to impose their own oppressive regime in place of a democratic government. You do see that, don't you? Ask the Shi'a what they thought of being ruled by the Sunni minority :-) Dennis > <snip> >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > And you seemed to think the number I gave was rather high. Just trying to > put it in perspective. I think we are talking at cross purposes > <snip> >> >> > Well,we are giving it a shot. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > democratic government. > You do see that, don't you? a democracy being forced on them by outside powers > Ask the Shi'a what they thought of being ruled by the Sunni minority :-) > > Dennis > > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > control and further destabilisation of the ME and further threats to the > west > > And that's 3 more than they would've had under Saddam. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > As I said I would love to see a free and democratic Iraq i just don't think > it is going to happen Question is if anybody in Iraq really wants western style democracy and if there is something like Iraqi nation. Janusz > > Dennis >> > <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Question is if anybody in Iraq really wants western style democracy > and if there is something like Iraqi nation. Hence the problem. If you look at the history and dynamics of the "country" imposing Western style democracy is unlikely to work. > Hence the problem. If you look at the history and dynamics of the "country" > imposing Western style democracy is unlikely to work. Obviously we were foolish to try to wean them from f.cking camels... We figured that if we cleaned up their women a bit and gave 'em a bath, they might be willing to give it a try... Unfortunately, even after all that effort, the camels were still cuter and smelled better... >> Hence the problem. If you look at the history and dynamics of the >> "country" [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > after all that effort, the camels were still cuter and smelled > better... thankyou for your input NOT. try thinking, it may hurt a bit at first but you may enjoy the results On 19 Kwi, 00:39, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:16:18 +1000, "dechucka" > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > after all that effort, the camels were still cuter and smelled > better... Until now I thought that you guys were attracted to Middle East by oil. The truth is more bizarre. Does US Camel Corps sound a bell? Janusz > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > Hence the problem. If you look at the history and dynamics of the "country" > imposing Western style democracy is unlikely to work. no doubt > "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in >>>> We haven't lost this one. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Love to see a free and democratic Iraq but IMHO it won't happen because of > the history and dynamics of the country. It won't happen if we don't try. And it may not happen this particular time because of people like you and kula. Once the threat is more tangible to you, and -especially- kula, it won't be such a task. Maybe we lost the battle of Vietnam, due primarily to the kulas and their ilk, but we were eventually all but single-handedly were responsible for winning the Cold War. >> "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > And it may not happen this particular time because of people like you and > kula. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't wnat a free and democratic Iraq, I just don't think it will happen > Once the threat is more tangible to you, and -especially- kula, it won't > be such a task. the threat to the world is now more tangible than before the invasion of Iraq > Maybe we lost the battle of Vietnam, due primarily to the kulas and their > ilk, but we were eventually all but single-handedly were responsible for > winning the Cold War. Good on you popeye. > "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in >>>>>> We haven't lost this one. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't wnat a free and > democratic Iraq, I just don't think it will happen That was vacuous. >> Once the threat is more tangible to you, and -especially- kula, it won't >> be such a task. > > the threat to the world is now more tangible than before the invasion of > Iraq Not my world. Too bad for the rest of you. >> Maybe we lost the battle of Vietnam, due primarily to the kulas and >> their ilk, but we were eventually all but single-handedly were >> responsible for winning the Cold War. > > Good on you popeye. >> "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > That was vacuous. compared to your " if your not with me in everything I say your against me" attitude. >>> Once the threat is more tangible to you, and -especially- kula, it >>> won't be such a task. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Not my world. Hows all the homeland security stuff going? > Too bad for the rest of you. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Good on you popeye. >>> Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't wnat a free and >>> democratic Iraq, I just don't think it will happen [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > compared to your " if your not with me in everything I say your against > me" attitude. It's not vacuous. Your statement says "I want what you want, but I'll criticize you to no end while you actually do something to achieve it, while sitting on my a.s not lifting a finger" My statement is clear, concise, and correct. >>>> Once the threat is more tangible to you, and -especially- kula, it >>>> won't be such a task. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Hows all the homeland security stuff going? Compared to Spain and England? You'll have to ask them. > Lets not forget the contribution you and those like you have made. > > This war could have been over and done with a long time ago, but with you > encouraging Islamic Fascists, they decided they have a chance, and with > your > help they might. Let me remind you again, I pay more in taxes than you make a year. >> Lets not forget the contribution you and those like you have made. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Let me remind you again, I pay more in taxes than you make a year. Let me remind you, your -wife- pays more. You're just an unpaid nanny. >>> Lets not forget the contribution you and those like you have made. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You're just an unpaid nanny. mole whacking at its very finest!! >> Let me remind you again, I pay more in taxes than you make a year. > > Let me remind you, your -wife- pays more. > > You're just an unpaid nanny. CTMRH, That was good! > > Lets not forget the contribution you and those like you have made. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Let me remind you again, I pay more in taxes than you make a year. Let me inform you, nobody here really cares what your tax situation is. > Let me remind you again, I pay more in taxes than you make a year. And that has what to do with the fact you provide encouragement to our enemies and endanger those who make it possible for you to stay home and do laundry? > > Lets not forget the contribution you and those like you have made. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Let me remind you again, I pay more in taxes than you make a year. And that has what to do with your encouraging Islamic Fascists? :-) Dennis >> > Lets not forget the contribution you and those like you have made. >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And that has what to do with your encouraging Islamic Fascists? :-) More dead American soldiers, sailors and Marines support the righteousness of his beliefs as a liberal democrat. > > And that has what to do with your encouraging Islamic Fascists? :-) > More dead American soldiers, sailors and Marines support the righteousness > of his beliefs as a liberal democrat. Lets not forget the thousands murdered in Beruit, US embassies, WTC, Israel, etc. Wonder why Israeli teachers are armed? On 16 Kwi, 15:34, "Douglas W \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > Give it up! France was right and you were wrong. Not like I didn't tell > > you so. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Nah, I'm waiting for Iran now. Good excuse from a coward. "Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> sputtered: > Start with what makes me an enemy combatant. All it takes is for someone in the Bush Administration to make the declaration. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com rec.scuba's resident pussy "Scott Koplin" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> sputtered: > I think firearms law and safety should be taught in public > school starting at around the age where a kid can pick a gun > up and pull a trigger. A father was accidentally fatally shot by his 6-year-old son during an attempt at target practice that went tragically wrong on Saturday evening. Robert had his arms wrapped around his 6-year-old son, Tyler, and together they were holding a .45 caliber handgun at a spot about three miles away from the camping spot. His son pulled the trigger and sent off the first round, said Melissa. The gun recoiled toward the two, and Tyler was unable to control the gun - he accidentally pulled the trigger a second time, as the gun was swinging backward toward his father's head, according to sheriff's reports. The Mountain Democrat, Placerville CA July 24, 2002 SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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