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Scott - 04 Apr 2007 20:38 GMT
50.495333, -110.916844

This is about the center of the sattelite image I found while playing with
Google Earth, WTF is this place?

With all the concentric rings and cross roads and such, it looks to me like
an artillery range or some similar...
Carl Nisarel - 04 Apr 2007 20:11 GMT
rec.scuba's resident pussy "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com>
muttered:

> 50.495333, -110.916844
>
> This is about the center of the sattelite image I found while
> playing with Google Earth, WTF is this place?

Zoom in and click on the Google hybrid map, fuckwit.

It's the Suffield Canadian Forces Base.

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nitespark - 04 Apr 2007 21:58 GMT
> 50.495333, -110.916844
>
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> With all the concentric rings and cross roads and such, it looks to me like
> an artillery range or some similar...

Its a mock up of Montreal after their surrender to the Muslim terrorists.
Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick - 04 Apr 2007 22:52 GMT
>> 50.495333, -110.916844
>>
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>>
> Its a mock up of Montreal after their surrender to the Muslim terrorists.

 Glad I wasn't driving...
Scott - 04 Apr 2007 23:31 GMT
> > Its a mock up of Montreal after their surrender to the Muslim terrorists.

>   Glad I wasn't driving...

That was good.
Star - 05 Apr 2007 03:10 GMT
> > 50.495333, -110.916844
>
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>
> Its a mock up of Montreal after their surrender to the Muslim terrorists.

I just spit a really good Merlot all over the laptop.

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Lee Bell - 05 Apr 2007 13:49 GMT
> 50.495333, -110.916844

> This is about the center of the sattelite image I found while playing with
>> Google Earth, WTF is this place?
>> With all the concentric rings and cross roads and such, it looks to me
>> like
>> an artillery range or some similar...

That would be my guess.  Mapsource Metro Guide (Garmin) says it's part of
Canadian Forces Base Suffield.  Perhaps it's an old aircraft bombing
training area.

Lee
Scott - 05 Apr 2007 15:09 GMT
> > 50.495333, -110.916844
>
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> Canadian Forces Base Suffield.  Perhaps it's an old aircraft bombing
> training area.

Ahhh.

I bet it is artillery.

It simply looked too purposeful, sterile and forbidding to be anything but a
range of some kind.
TonyP - 05 Apr 2007 22:21 GMT
>> 50.495333, -110.916844
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>
> Its a mock up of Montreal after their surrender to the Muslim terrorists.

*****
Bryan Heit - 05 Apr 2007 14:49 GMT
> 50.495333, -110.916844
>
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> With all the concentric rings and cross roads and such, it looks to me like
> an artillery range or some similar...

Suffield Military Base.  It one of the largest military bases in North
America, and home to many of the joint US/Canadian/British practice
"missions" (always a good time for my cities airplane & military fans,
since the forces all arrive at the Calgary airport).  Its also the home
of many of the Canadian armed forces research centers.  I have a good
friend who works there doing research into biowarfare defense, and one
of my uncles was stationed there for a few years before he retired.

As for the concentric roads, I have no idea.

Bryan
Scott - 05 Apr 2007 15:20 GMT
> > 50.495333, -110.916844
> >
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> friend who works there doing research into biowarfare defense, and one
> of my uncles was stationed there for a few years before he retired.

We have many much smaller bases scattered all over. Our largest, I would
imagine, would be the Nevada Test site (where they light off nukes), China
Lake NWS, and White Sands Missile Range. I have no idea how they compare in
size, but Suffield is certainly a very large complex. The Range Control guys
have their work cut out for them.

> As for the concentric roads, I have no idea.

No, the rings make perfect sense, many of our ranges are similar; units
would move along the perifery and fire into the center, larger weapon,
larger circle.

Makes range control and safety easier.

I found it after Popeye wrote and said he was in Calgary. I had the great
fortune of spending a weekend at the Banff Springs Hotel a couple years ago,
so I was just looking around when the rings caught my eye.
Bryan Heit - 05 Apr 2007 15:38 GMT
>>> 50.495333, -110.916844
>>>
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> size, but Suffield is certainly a very large complex. The Range Control guys
> have their work cut out for them.

Ours tend to be bigger, but then again, we have more space.  I imagine
that suffield is so large, not because it was intended that way, but
rather because there wasn't any other use for the land.  That part of
the country is truly the a.shole of Canada - dirty, ugly, and nearly
useless.

>> As for the concentric roads, I have no idea.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Makes range control and safety easier.

Makes sence.

> I found it after Popeye wrote and said he was in Calgary. I had the great
> fortune of spending a weekend at the Banff Springs Hotel a couple years ago,
> so I was just looking around when the rings caught my eye.

He shoulda dropped me a line - he could of gotten a few wobbly-pop's for
free out of me.  Always happy to meet in person someone from the board...

Bryan
Carl Nisarel - 05 Apr 2007 15:01 GMT
Bryan Heit <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> muttered:

> That part of
> the country is truly the a.shole of Canada - dirty, ugly, and
> nearly useless.

That's not a nice thing to say about Alberta.

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Scott - 05 Apr 2007 16:13 GMT
> Ours tend to be bigger, but then again, we have more space.  I imagine
> that suffield is so large, not because it was intended that way, but
> rather because there wasn't any other use for the land.  That part of
> the country is truly the a.shole of Canada - dirty, ugly, and nearly
> useless.

Glad you said it, I didnt want to insult the national spirit without
provocation, but from the sattelite, it looks pretty fugly.

Stockton is the a.shole of the Western US. When they give Kalifornia an
enema, Stockton is where they stick the hose.

Conversly, you guys have Banff, the Canadian Rockies and the Inside Passage.

In fact your nation is a lot like ours IMNSHO; as far as I am concerned you
can have everything east of the rockies and south of Garberville Kalifornia,
although we really did like Tennessee, and Boston aint bad as cities go, far
superior to LA or Dego. I'd rather take a beating than ever drive through or
near LA again.

> Makes sence.

> > I found it after Popeye wrote and said he was in Calgary. I had the great
> > fortune of spending a weekend at the Banff Springs Hotel a couple years ago,
> > so I was just looking around when the rings caught my eye.

> He shoulda dropped me a line - he could of gotten a few wobbly-pop's for
> free out of me.  Always happy to meet in person someone from the board...

His new boss works him like a rented mule, he is often within distance of
us, but has no time to spare, and cant drink a drop.

He'll be back, but he was really motivated to get the **** out of Calgary.
Bryan Heit - 08 Apr 2007 20:59 GMT
>> Ours tend to be bigger, but then again, we have more space.  I imagine
>> that suffield is so large, not because it was intended that way, but
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Glad you said it, I didnt want to insult the national spirit without
> provocation, but from the sattelite, it looks pretty fugly.

Oh, there no national spirit at stake at all - those few Canadians
who've had the (mis)fortune of going there will back me up; the rest are
probably only vaguely aware that place even exists.  My friend who works
there actually keeps an apartment here in Calgary so he has a place to
escape to on weekends.

Kinda funny - he keeps an apartment; I keep fish.

I very briefly considered taking up a job with him.  Its interesting
stuff, but I don't think its the kinda thing I'd like to do with the
rest of my life.  Plus, its one of the last places on earth I'd want to
live.

> Stockton is the a.shole of the Western US. When they give Kalifornia an
> enema, Stockton is where they stick the hose.

I'll haven to scratch that off my list then.

> Conversly, you guys have Banff, the Canadian Rockies and the Inside Passage.

Yep.  As I always tell visitors to Calgary - go west.  Nothing worth
seeing to the east for about 2000km.

> In fact your nation is a lot like ours IMNSHO; as far as I am concerned you
> can have everything east of the rockies and south of Garberville Kalifornia,
> although we really did like Tennessee,

Why are you giving us the dirty parts?  I have a bit of family scattered
across the plane states, and I've seen what they got.  Thanx, but we've
got enough flat already.

> and Boston aint bad as cities go, far

My favorite city in the US.  How could a city possibly be a bad place
when the sh.t bars have 50-ish beers on tap?

> superior to LA or Dego. I'd rather take a beating than ever drive through or
> near LA again.

As far as I'm concered, LA is an airport.  Never had the pleasure of
actually seeing LA itself.  I've seen a lot of the surrounding cities,
and the connecting freeways, but little of LA itself.

>> Makes sence.
>
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> His new boss works him like a rented mule, he is often within distance of
> us, but has no time to spare, and cant drink a drop.

That sucks - don't you guys have laws against that kinda crap?  Much to
my surprise I just found out its illegal to work greater then 12 hours
straight up here.  I'm not exactly sure how that allows me to do my job,
but that's the law.

Bryan
Scott - 10 Apr 2007 07:07 GMT
> Oh, there no national spirit at stake at all - those few Canadians
> who've had the (mis)fortune of going there will back me up; the rest are
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Kinda funny - he keeps an apartment; I keep fish.

Do tell.

> I very briefly considered taking up a job with him.  Its interesting
> stuff, but I don't think its the kinda thing I'd like to do with the
> rest of my life.  Plus, its one of the last places on earth I'd want to
> live.

Live no, work; could be a hoot. Ask Hugh.

> > Stockton is the a.shole of the Western US. When they give Kalifornia an
> > enema, Stockton is where they stick the hose.
>
> I'll haven to scratch that off my list then.

Oh, just go there once, I dare you.

> > Conversly, you guys have Banff, the Canadian Rockies and the Inside Passage.

> Yep.  As I always tell visitors to Calgary - go west.  Nothing worth
> seeing to the east for about 2000km.

I hear you, and sympathize.

> Why are you giving us the dirty parts?  I have a bit of family scattered
> across the plane states, and I've seen what they got.  Thanx, but we've
> got enough flat already.

Just trying to make you feel better...

> > and Boston aint bad as cities go, far
>
> My favorite city in the US.  How could a city possibly be a bad place
> when the sh.t bars have 50-ish beers on tap?

Boston is a hoot, eh?

I might even go back.

> > superior to LA or Dego. I'd rather take a beating than ever drive through or
> > near LA again.

> As far as I'm concered, LA is an airport.  Never had the pleasure of
> actually seeing LA itself.  I've seen a lot of the surrounding cities,
> and the connecting freeways, but little of LA itself.

A dirty, stinking airport.

<snip>

> That sucks - don't you guys have laws against that kinda crap?

There are laws against everything except being a lawyer.

> Much to my surprise I just found out its illegal to work greater then 12
hours
> straight up here.  I'm not exactly sure how that allows me to do my job,
> but that's the law.

Here in America;

It is called "an exempt employee."

As in exempt from statutes concerning overtime pay.

More than 8 in a Twenty Four hour period falls under various federal or
state laws.

I would copy the link, but you are Canadian, so ....

Here there are  very specific definitions as to whom and what an exempt
employee are.

12 hour days either earn you a good salary and benefits, or is simply
illegal.

If you can afford a lawyer.
Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick - 06 Apr 2007 02:57 GMT
> He shoulda dropped me a line - he could of gotten a few wobbly-pop's for
> free out of me.  Always happy to meet in person someone from the board...
>
> Bryan

 Crap, I wish I coulda.

 I'm on this trip from hell, pre-planned today from Grand Prairie to
Cheyenne to pick up a trailer from a breakdown, take it -back- to GP, then
to Pharr, Tx to load for Prince Edward Island.

 Back to Knoxville, that's 10,000 miles.

 I was in Calgary from probably midnight to 06:00. :-)

 I'll try next time, for sure.

 I had dinner with Brian Nadwidny last night, he's -hilarious-, and the
Diver From Hell.

 Hopefully, he and I can dive North Carolina together this year.

 Thanks! Brian, for coming to rescue me!

 Now it's time to give Dave a call! :-)
Scott - 06 Apr 2007 03:14 GMT
> > He shoulda dropped me a line - he could of gotten a few wobbly-pop's for
> > free out of me.  Always happy to meet in person someone from the board...
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>
>   Now it's time to give Dave a call! :-)

Awesome.

Brian is a true soul.

If there is anything you could take from the trip that is good, brian is one
of them.
scuba.edmonton@gmail.com - 06 Apr 2007 08:16 GMT
Meeting you and having a face-to-face was a great pleasure. Even
though we've never met eye-to-eye before, it was like meeting up with
a brother. We gotta do it again. I'm not sure if I'll be around for
your return trip to GP as I leave for Vegas on Thursday but the way
people are buying boats up here (presumably to float in their
bathtubs) I'll be seeing a lot of you as long as oil prices stay
high.

As for Suffield, I spent a few days there about 5 years ago as a guest
of the 1PPCLI. I got to ride around in their new (back then) LAV3s and
check out the area. It is truly a desolate area which is most likely
the reason that the military decided way back when to dedicate it to
getting the crap shelled, bombed, tanked, LAVed out of it. The Brits
love it and have a dedicated training facility there. When I went out
we rode around for a day in the LAV3s and set up a bivouac or laager
(or whatever they called it) that evening. As it was time for me to go
home they sent me back in the Quartermaster's half ton. It took an
hour to get to the base. Suffield is a big area of sweet f.ck all.
Funniest thing is when the LAV I was on; in the midst of all this
dryness and dust, found the only wetspot within 100 miles and got
stuck in this tiny depression of maybe 12'x12'. It was so weird
because that spot didn't look any different from the surrounding
terrain. Also there are a few ghost towns in the area, remnants of the
Depression, but the guys I was with said that they are mostly just
foundations and dust.

Brian
Edmonton, Alberta

On Apr 5, 7:57 pm, "Douglas W \"Popeye\" Frederick"
<Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:

>   Crap, I wish I coulda.
>
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>
>   Now it's time to give Dave a call! :-)
Scott - 06 Apr 2007 13:59 GMT
> Meeting you and having a face-to-face was a great pleasure. Even
> though we've never met eye-to-eye before, it was like meeting up with
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Brian
> Edmonton, Alberta

Sounds like Shiprock New Mexico...
Bryan Heit - 08 Apr 2007 20:49 GMT
>> He shoulda dropped me a line - he could of gotten a few wobbly-pop's for
>> free out of me.  Always happy to meet in person someone from the board...
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>   Now it's time to give Dave a call! :-)

sh.t, that's a long trip.  Next time, hopefully, but I'm a few months
away from uprooting my arse and moving to Toronto...

Bryan
Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick - 06 Apr 2007 02:47 GMT
> "Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message

>> As for the concentric roads, I have no idea.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> ago,
> so I was just looking around when the rings caught my eye.

 Concentric roads could be ammo bunkers, can you see any?
Scott - 06 Apr 2007 03:13 GMT
> > "Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>   Concentric roads could be ammo bunkers, can you see any?

There are definitely some structures that look like what they should...

Most of them south and east of the center.
Lee Bell - 06 Apr 2007 04:02 GMT
 
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