Scuba Forum / General / March 2007
Any problems with altitude and diving?
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Sheldon - 29 Mar 2007 01:26 GMT This may sound stupid, but if I go diving at sea level and then fly home, obviously waiting the appropriate 24 hours, will I run in any problems since I live at 8000' above sea level?
Sheldon
Greg Mossman - 29 Mar 2007 03:56 GMT > This may sound stupid, but if I go diving at sea level and then fly home, > obviously waiting the appropriate 24 hours, will I run in any problems since > I live at 8000' above sea level? The easy answer is "probably not", since you've already ascended to 6-8,000 during the flight. Even if you land at sea level, then drive up to the mountains, you're probably ascending slow enough to alleviate any risk from the "bounce" profile. But chilly recently pointed out that a multiple-leg flight might enhance the risk of DCS.
The best answer is "who knows?". After waiting the requisite 24 hours, it's very, very doubtful you'll get DCS on your way home, no matter how you travel home. Every once in a while, someone gets an off-the-charts case that may or may not really be DCS. But that doesn't only happen with traveling. I'd venture to guess that the number of people that get bent while diving within the limits of their tables or computer without traveling being a factor (i.e. the "undeserved" hit) is greater than the number of travelers who get bent after the 24-hour rule. So if you're gonna worry, worry about the undeserved hits. Or to be perfectly safe, wait three days before flying anywhere or driving to altitude, and move down from the mountains.
Sheldon - 29 Mar 2007 04:46 GMT > But chilly recently > pointed out that a multiple-leg flight might enhance the risk of DCS. That's why I'm asking. Pretty freaky situation.
>Or to be perfectly safe, wait three days before > flying anywhere or driving to altitude, and move down from the > mountains. Well, moving down to a warmer climate near the ocean sounds great, but I wouldn't be doing it for fear of flying and DCS.
Thanks for the prompt, "intelligent" response.
Sheldon
Greg Mossman - 29 Mar 2007 05:26 GMT > > But chilly recently > > pointed out that a multiple-leg flight might enhance the risk of DCS. > > That's why I'm asking. Pretty freaky situation. Yep, and people get hit by lightning too. That's why I never go outside.
Danlw - 29 Mar 2007 05:30 GMT >> But chilly recently >> pointed out that a multiple-leg flight might enhance the risk of DCS. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Sheldon And, if you are a lawyer, like Mr. Mossman, if that damn dive computer said you could fly and you have a problem, you may have a class action suit to make you millions, er thousands, well, at least hundreds, after the legal team gets their "fair" share. That will take care of any pain and suffering you had to go through--dealing with the legal team, not the DCS. Dan
Greg Mossman - 29 Mar 2007 16:35 GMT > And, if you are a lawyer, like Mr. Mossman, if that damn dive computer said > you could fly and you have a problem, you may have a class action suit to > make you millions, er thousands, well, at least hundreds, after the legal > team gets their "fair" share. That will take care of any pain and suffering > you had to go through--dealing with the legal team, not the DCS. There can only be a class-action suit when a large number of plaintiffs are adversely affected. If hundreds of people were getting bent following the recommendations of a certain dive computer, wouldn't you want to see that those people were compensated at the expense of the faulty computer manufacturer?
Danlw - 30 Mar 2007 02:35 GMT >> And, if you are a lawyer, like Mr. Mossman, if that damn dive computer >> said [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > wouldn't you want to see that those people were compensated at the > expense of the faulty computer manufacturer? Yes, I would. The unfortunate point being that if there were a class action suit won, the legal team would make millions and the plaintiffs hundreds. Want examples? I do like a lawyer with a sense of humer though, I actually enjoy some of your posts ;-). Dan
Greg Mossman - 30 Mar 2007 03:16 GMT > >> And, if you are a lawyer, like Mr. Mossman, if that damn dive computer > >> said [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > suit won, the legal team would make millions and the plaintiffs hundreds. > Want examples? You won't find it in the dive industry. Anything major enough to kill off that many people would certainly make the news. Uwatec bent a few people a while ago, but I don't believe that was a class action. I might be wrong.
You are somewhat correct in that many class actions involve trivial amounts to the individual plaintiffs, yet not-so-trivial amounts to the defendant when they add up. The primary purpose of these class actions, besides making the lawyers rich, is to prevent future such behavior from occurring. Sometimes it works.
I just got notice that I can add up all the extra fees for international use of my credit cards since 1996. They don't make it too easy, since I have a lot of statements to pore over. But if the lawyers are going to make it rich off this one, I'm going to make sure I get my little piece of the action.
Chris Guynn - 30 Mar 2007 14:10 GMT > I just got notice that I can add up all the extra fees for > international use of my credit cards since 1996. Why couldn't you add them up before?
Greg Mossman - 30 Mar 2007 17:38 GMT > > I just got notice that I can add up all the extra fees for > > international use of my credit cards since 1996. > > Why couldn't you add them up before? Sorry, I wasn't too clear. My last statement had a notice of a class- action settlement for some lawsuit regarding the 3% fees that many credit cards charge for international use of the card. The fee is buried in the fine print of the Terms & Conditions, and many people were apparently totally unaware that they were paying an extra "tax" to the credit card companies. I always resented the fact that the cards did this, but still often preferred it to the other ways of making financial transactions in foreign countries. You can get foreign cash out of an ATM, but have to pay ATM fees. You can use U.S. dollars, but get reamed on the exchange rate.
Now I can add up all those 3% fees imposed on me since 1996, as long as I have credit card statements dating back that far (I do) and am willing to spend the time to go through years and years of statements to add up all the international fees I've been charged (not really, but it should add up to a few hundred bucks and I hate letting credit card companies get away with anything).
Danlw - 31 Mar 2007 04:24 GMT >> >> And, if you are a lawyer, like Mr. Mossman, if that damn dive computer >> >> said [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > lawyers are going to make it rich off this one, I'm going to make sure > I get my little piece of the action. Good for you. I hope you can get enough to make your time pay! As a banker, in the get the money back rather than the lending side, I am appalled at the CC industry as a whole. I see CC debt listed in a Chapter 7, and two years later the same "frequent filer" goes Chapter 13--guess what, same CC again. And, while I realize this is a personal responsibility issue as well, how stupid are they to issue a new card after being burned. Tells me they make enough off the various charges and interest to cover it, meaning the consumer is getting screwed.
By the way, I saw the numbers on the last class action on the GM Cards--I had closed mine, but still got a check--for 51 cents. ;).
And, there is some truth to what you say that the class action is more about getting a practice changed/stopped. But, the end result is usually millions for a few lawyers, a few bucks for the plaintiffs and then we all pay higher prices to pay the settlement. System isn't working. And, the "justice" system usually isn't.
Example: In Washington State, a contractor was sued because of faulty work. All of the subs were brought into the suit as well. It was proven beyond doubt that most of the subs had done their work EXACTLY to the specs provided them by the project engineers. Guess what? The subs insurance companies ended up settling, the engineers paid nothing, and to top it off, the insurance cos. cancelled the subs policies.
Lawyers spend most of their time lining up case law to prove their point. Nobody cares if the original case was fair or not, just that it set precedence. I would like to see cases actually tried on merit rather than what a previous case may have had in common with the present action. I know, too much to ask.
Can you tell I dealt with lawyers on three different cases today at work? <sigh>. Dan
Rod - 30 Mar 2007 04:23 GMT >> And, if you are a lawyer, like Mr. Mossman, if that damn dive computer said >> you could fly and you have a problem, you may have a class action suit to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >wouldn't you want to see that those people were compensated at the >expense of the faulty computer manufacturer? f.ck em, they should have run the math on their own
Sheldon - 29 Mar 2007 17:03 GMT That will take care of any pain and suffering
> you had to go through--dealing with the legal team, not the DCS. Dan LOL
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