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mag3 - 04 Mar 2007 23:42 GMT
After a 15 hour flight from Hong Kong, and a bit of rest,  here is the trip report.

Logged 14 dives in total, most being wall dives along some of the best coral reefs
I've ever seen. I wish you could see them as well, but alas, I'm sorry to say my U/W
camera flooded on the very first dive!  UGGGHHHH!. I salvaged 11 shots on the SD
card, but that was it and none of them worth showing. Oh well, all the more reason to
return at some point. Sites Visited included

    1) Blue Corner & Blue Holes (twice)
    2) Big Drop Off
    3) Barnum's Wall
    4) Yellow Wall (Peleliu)
    5) Peleliu Wall
    6) Ngedebus Coral Garden
    7) Turtle Cove
    8) Saies Corner and Saies Tunnel (Deepest Dive to date @ 108 FSW)
    9) Chandelier Cave (A true cave dive)
    10) Helmet Wreck (A WWII Japanese Transport Wreck with Penetrate points)

Total Logged Dives now at 60 even, and picked up both Master Scuba Diver cert and "Blue Corner"
specialty ratings. But I also picked up a good deal of needed knowledge and confidence. I learned
a lot about diving in strong currents and how to use a reef hook. The zooplankton concentration
makes it easy to determine current direction, speed and flow, as well as your own orientation vs.
the wall. Unfortunately, it also makes the viz bad, but.... (I've been told it (the zooplankton)
is extraordinarily high this year due to the current upwellings from the deep).

The way the currents flow at blue corner change quickly as you travel along it (of course, driven
by lunar cycles and tidal changes etc.). At one point (when you come out of the blue holes onto the
blue corner wall) you might be swimming against the current but half way through it may change and
become turbulent and then all of a sudden you find yourself swimming with the current and very quickly
(ie. you look at the wall and watch your life flashing before your eyes type of thing). At this point
you might have to hook in with your reef hook. This is especially true if you're on top of the wall
plateau where the currents get stronger. So you hook in as close as you can to the shelf and watch
all the plageics go by. Not as many of those as in Bora Bora though, but then again, I probably didn't
see them as well with the viz being what it was (I need to get a prescription mask) and also, in
Bora Bora, they do shark feedings whereas this practice is discouraged in Palau.

Sam's Dive Tours was my shop and the DM's here were the absolute best. All were quite knowledgeable
about the sites and about diving itself, and were easy going. All the boat captains were local
Palauan's (I was told by law apparently only Palauan's can be licensed to operate commercial boats
but I doubt this because I saw one of the boat licenses which listed all the operators and several
of them were non-Palauan). Dive Ops are the same here as in Bora Bora. The DM leads the dive in the
water (almost always a drift dive) and at the end, the DM Raises his/her safety sausage and people
drift along with it at 15FSW to do their safety stop etc. As the boat sees people surface near the
sausage, it goes to pick them up. In fact, they get pissed when you try to chase after the boat
since the boat captain can lose sight of you.  They stress that you wait for it to come get you.

Ratio is 8 divers to 1 DM. Thus 9+ divers on one boat = 2 DMs (More than 10 and I think they'll opt
for an additional boat - they have a fleet of 8 fast boats with dual 10 Average dive time is 50
minutes, which was a bit longer than I've been used to, especially on an 80cf Nitrox tank,  so
after having come up the 1st few times at 40-45 min., they switched me to 100CF Nitrox tanks, thus
letting me complete the dives with the group (longest dive I did was 57min.).

And in case of emergency, The hospital is only 1/4 mile away from the Palau Pacific Resort (where I
stayed) and has a full state of the art facility including recompresion chamber etc. One guy I met at
the hotel even told me he had injured his ankle, and as it turns out the only orthopod on the island
took him immediately and did the surgery in 2 days! He didn't even have to go back home! Of course,
he couldn't dive anymore either but......

Jellyfish Lake

I did get to swim in it, although it was in the morning and very sunny so not too many Jellyfish were
at the surface but enough to make it a fascinating experience. You can only snorkel in it. You wouldn't
want to dive anyway because at 50FBW (brackish) there's a bacterial layer that turns the water pitch
black. Below that, there is no Oxygen present and the resultant by product is a high concentration of
Hydrogen Sulfide that his quite toxic to humans. I'm told they did an experiment where a researcher sent
down a 7mm wetsuit with reg and BC on a mannequin into the Hydrogen Sulfide layer for 2 minutes. WHen they
hauled it up, the wetsuit had significant holes in it and the hardware was completely corroded! May or
may not be true, but I don't think I'll be testing it. But the real reasons why you can't scuba are
twofold 1) the bubbles scare the jellyfish; and 2) the finning action can actually kill them if they're
too concentrated and you kick too hard and decapitate them. I did my best only to use  and movements an
not kick when I was heavily into the thick of them. Oh, and when you arrive there, the "mastigas" jellyfish
are *virtually* stingless according to the signs posted. These Jellyfish lost their inherent ability to
sting as they became isolated from all predators and prey alike, and had to use the algae around them
for food. The same species found in open waters do still sting though I didn't use a skin at all and felt
nothing, and most people I'm told only feel a very mild sensation around their lips if that.  However, If
you're hypersensitive to stings, you may want to think twice about swimming with them.

The Islands

I did not get to see much of the interior of Palau but what I saw of the costal areas and the Rock
Islands was absolutely beautiful, giving Bora Bora strong competition (see land pictures on my
website to be posted shortly). Koror itself seems to have all the comforts of home but with a little
"island" charm. Currency is the US$ and electricity is the US standard. Oh, and to get this out of
the way: "How much is GAS in this area???"  $3.11/gal.

Peleliu

Went on a land tour of Peleliu Island after the two dives. It has a significant WWII history. We were
taken to "Orange Beach," upon which the American Allied forces did an amphibious assault very similar
to the "Omaha Beach" assault in France. In this case, "D-Day" was 09/15/1944 at 08:00am local time.
The US Army 81st Infantry division took the lead. There are many memorials and a burial site but
the Army has since re-located the bodies of the Americans/allies who died in the battle to a military
cemetery in the Philippines. There may still be Japanese casualties buried there but it is unknown.
According to the guide, the Japanese casualties were as many as 15 times that of the Americans
due to the lack of medical care and facilities (which Americans/Allies had on the boats - or transport
to facilities via the boats).  You can see some of the pictures of the island on my web site as soon
as I get them published there.

The People

The people are absolutely friendly. Many here chew beetle nuts so you see a lot of signs saying "No
spitting" and "Wash your hands with soap and water" etc. But as friendly as they may be, they're also
protective of their lands. I am told that only native born Palauan's can own land or own a business
as well (or for a partnership, at least one of the partners must be a Palauan). Thus, in order for an
American or other foreigner to have property or a business, they must marry a Palauan (and then it's
the Palauan spouse that gets to own the land/business) or if they have a child, the property can be
listed in the child's name (as long as one of the parents is Palauan). Not that it matters to most of
us, but......

Summary - Overall one fantastic trip - Will go again in another 2 years after I finish paying for
this trip :-). But more than that, I'm a little bit better diver and that's worth so much more.  Will post the
pictures I took above water on my website shortly. I look forward diving the "grove" with all the local
Floridians soon.
____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold

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ben bradlee - 05 Mar 2007 01:09 GMT
> After a 15 hour flight from Hong Kong, and a bit of rest,  here is the
> trip report.

Great report.  Thanks.
Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick - 05 Mar 2007 02:59 GMT
>> After a 15 hour flight from Hong Kong, and a bit of rest,  here is the
>> trip report.
>
> Great report.  Thanks.

 Claiming that you're a former Marine, I'm sure you were going to get right
on that little typo.

 <thank god you have a coin to remind you what service you were in>
Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick - 05 Mar 2007 02:57 GMT
> After a 15 hour flight from Hong Kong, and a bit of rest,  here is the
> trip report.

 And a lovely trip report it is, but you need to get your money back for
the Peleliu tour, and the tourguide needs his a.s kicked:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Peleliu

 http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/peleliu/default.aspx

 With all due respect to the US Army, they were elsewhere.

> Peleliu
>
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> According to the guide, the Japanese casualties were as many as 15 times
> that of the [Marines]

 As usual.

> due to the lack of medical care and facilities

 More unmitigated bullshit- they were killed inch by inch and cave by cave,
in one of the fiercest battles in the history of modern warfare.

 The few survivors committed suicide.

 The only prisoners taken were unconscious or comatose from shelling.

>(which Americans/Allies had on the boats - or transport
> to facilities via the boats).  You can see some of the pictures of the
> island on my web site as soon
> as I get them published there.
mag3 - 05 Mar 2007 03:25 GMT
>> After a 15 hour flight from Hong Kong, and a bit of rest,  here is the
>> trip report.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>  With all due respect to the US Army, they were elsewhere.

Well, let's put it this way. There's a huge monument dedicated to the
US Army's 81'st Infantry Division  smack dab in the middle of that memorial
site. And all of the memorabilia in the museum is all Army based (and trust
me, I looked for Marine stuff and found none). I'll post the pictures of the
monument on my website ASAP. I was not allowed to take flash photos inside
the museum so unfortunately I don't have any pictures of all the stuff inside
(apparently flash photography can damage the exhibits over time).

Maybe you're right. Maybe the guide does need to get his a.s kicked. Because,
apparently, he was spinning the story much more heavily favored towards the
Army/Navy than the Marines. Most of his (the guide's) narrative centered arround
Douglas MacArthur's and Admiral Halsey's efforts in the area. To be honest, I didn't
trust half of what that guide said the moment he told me his narrative changes
whenever he takes Japanese tourist groups to the same site.

Now, I don't trust any of it.

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Grumman-581 - 05 Mar 2007 03:28 GMT
> Many here chew beetle nuts

Ewwww...

OK, I figure I just gotta ask... Are the beetles that large or do you
just need a lot of 'em?
mag3 - 05 Mar 2007 06:04 GMT
>> Many here chew beetle nuts
>
>Ewwww...
>
>OK, I figure I just gotta ask... Are the beetles that large or do you
>just need a lot of 'em?

:-P

Oops - Sorry, misspelled. Should be "betel" nut.  Still not completely over the jet lag.

I see lots of errors in this post. I should have waited until I had some more sleep.

In particular:

>Ratio is 8 divers to 1 DM. Thus 9+ divers on one boat = 2 DMs (More than 10 and I think they'll opt
>for an additional boat - they have a fleet of 8 fast boats with dual....

with dual 150hp Outboard motors. Average time to a site is less than 1hr each way in calm seas.
Peleliu is 1h & 15min, and for that, there is an extra $16.00 fuel surcharge.  General cost per dive day
is $107.00 for two tanks (Nitrox is free if your 're certified) but includes pickup/drop off at your hotel,
transport to/from the sites, and full lunch and drinks (no hot coffee to be found.... sorry... only iced
coffee in the can). An extra 3rd tank for a late afternoon dive (usually either Chandelier Cave or one of the
nearby wrecks) is an addl. $28.00.

> Average dive time is 50 minutes, which was a bit longer than I've been used to, especially on an 80cf
>Nitrox tank,  so after having come up the 1st few times at 40-45 min., they switched me to 100CF Nitrox
>tanks, thus letting me complete the dives with the group (longest dive I did was 57min.).

-----------

And in re: Jellyfish Lake -

>The same species found in open waters do still sting though. [<--- Insert Period]

I did not swim anywhere in the open waters where the "stinging" kind existed, for obvious reasons. I did
kayak in those waters though, and I had to watch the water seeping in from the drain holes in the
kayak to ensure none of the little baby jellies got inside. They can sting you just as bad as the adults!
Trust me, those tentacles sure looked quite potent and numerous.

> I didn't use a skin at all [in Jellyfish Lake] and felt nothing, and most people I'm told only feel a
>very mild sensation around their lips if that.  However, If you're hypersensitive to stings, you may want
>to think twice about swimming with them.

And of course, my sincere apologies to Popeye and the other Marines here for not vetting the tour
guide's spiel. If I were DIR, I would have done more homework on the Battle of Peleliu before I
arrived there, but I wasn't sure I was going on the trip until 2 days before it was scheduled. The
dive shop doesn't ordinarily go there unless there's a demand because of the added fuel costs.


____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Grumman-581 - 05 Mar 2007 06:27 GMT
> Oops - Sorry, misspelled. Should be "betel" nut.  Still not completely over the jet lag.

OK, so what type of animal is a betel and doesn't it kind of mind
being castrated just for the chewing enjoyment of a bunch of
islanders?  Or is it like those damn oriental markets where they
castrate the fish and shrimp and just sell their balls?  Although I
will have to admit that considering the size of their balls, those
shrimp must have been quite large, still, they shouldn't waste the
rest of the shrimp...
mag3 - 05 Mar 2007 07:07 GMT
>> Oops - Sorry, misspelled. Should be "betel" nut.  Still not completely over the jet lag.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>shrimp must have been quite large, still, they shouldn't waste the
>rest of the shrimp...

;-)

I trust you do understand that it's the fruit off of a tree and not anything animal.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betel_Nut
____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Grumman-581 - 05 Mar 2007 09:03 GMT
> I trust you do understand that it's the fruit off of a tree and not anything animal.....

Darn... And just when I was going to report them to PETA...
Brad - 05 Mar 2007 06:44 GMT
>> Many here chew beetle nuts
>
> Ewwww...
>
> OK, I figure I just gotta ask... Are the beetles that large or do you
> just need a lot of 'em?

The locals chew buai (beetle nuts) here. It's like a small coconut and is a
narcotic, so if you like the people half charged all day you'll be right.
The spit stains (bright orange) are ugly and it smells, probably not much
worse than chewing tobacco.
They use it with mustard and lime (garden lime). The first time I saw the
bags of lime I had the idea they were selling hard drugs, small bags of
white powder everywhere.
I did an easy one on the weekend, the beacon at Salamoa point. millions of
fish swarming the reef, clouds of inch long purple ones and all up over a
hundred different types,water depth over the reef from 6" to  120' vis was
~80' water was luke warm.

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Greg Mossman - 06 Mar 2007 01:42 GMT
> After a 15 hour flight from Hong Kong, and a bit of rest,  here is the trip report.
> Summary - Overall one fantastic trip -

I got so jealous, I called Aggressor today and booked my trip for next
March.  It's a "Jim Church" photo expedition trip with "Mike and
Mike", so hopefully I'll learn something to boot.  That and the new
camera setup I'll need for the trip will make a nice 40th birthday
present to myself.
Grumman-581 - 06 Mar 2007 03:05 GMT
> That and the new camera setup I'll need for the trip will
> make a nice 40th birthday present to myself.

Which model camera are you thinking about?  I've been trying to justify
the cost of a D200... Haven't quite been able to do it yet...
mag3 - 06 Mar 2007 03:54 GMT
>> That and the new camera setup I'll need for the trip will
> > make a nice 40th birthday present to myself.
>
>Which model camera are you thinking about?  I've been trying to justify
>the cost of a D200... Haven't quite been able to do it yet...

I'm looking at the D80 myself as a replacement for my Sealife DC-310 that was flooded. There's an
Ikelite housing for it (as there is of course for the D200, but slightly cheaper). I don't need all the bells
and whistles of the D200, and the D80 also takes SD cards which I have plenty of and the readers etc. for
them.  I can live with 3 multi frame shots per exposure vs. 5 etc. etc..

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Grumman-581 - 06 Mar 2007 08:48 GMT
> I'm looking at the D80 myself as a replacement for my
> Sealife DC-310 that was flooded. There's an Ikelite
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> them.  I can live with 3 multi frame shots per exposure
> vs. 5 etc. etc..

I have a few CompactFlash and SD cards in the 2G size... The SD cards
get used for everything from my PDA to a separate GPS... The
CompactFlash card gets used in a Kokak DC5000 point-and-shoot type
digital camera... I get over 2000 shots on the card even in the
highest resolution mode... I would like the D200 because I could reuse
the CompactFlash card in addition to my other Nikon lenses...
Unfortunately, the get image stabilization on that camera, I have to
buy image stabilization lenses... On the other hand, the Pentax K10D
has image stabilization built into the camera, so I can use any old
lens with it and still get image stabilization... Many years ago, I
took quite a few photos with a Pentax K1000 and I really liked that
old camera... Kind of have fond memories of it...

Well, that plus some of the girls who ended up posing in front of
it... <dirty-old-man-grin>

Unfortunately, I haven't found a local place yet that has a K10D in
stock so that I can check it out... I've had a chance to check out the
D200 and I definitely like it...

I don't think that I would use the D200 for diving... I would probably
be tempted to just relegate the N50 for diving since a replacement
body is pretty cheap these days since everyone seems to be going
digital... I've just never really gotten into underwater photography
though... Probably because the cost of a good housing for the depths
that I go is a bit difficult to justify... I don't want a housing that
has a depth limit of 150 ft and I end up being tempted by something
that I see down at around 180 ft... The Subal ND20 housing would
probably meet my needs, but at $3800, I think I'll pass... Quite
frankly though, I suspect that if I was to get into it, it could
quickly become a very expensive hobby, what with lights, stobes, and
what not...
Greg Mossman - 06 Mar 2007 19:13 GMT
On Mar 6, 12:48 am, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-
gmail.com> wrote:

> though... Probably because the cost of a good housing for the depths
> that I go is a bit difficult to justify... I don't want a housing that
> has a depth limit of 150 ft and I end up being tempted by something
> that I see down at around 180 ft... The Subal ND20 housing would
> probably meet my needs, but at $3800, I think I'll pass...

Ike says its housings are fine at 200 fsw.  They run $1,500 for the
D200, cheaper for other makes.

B&H sells a D200 packaged with a Sea & Sea DX-D200 housing (also rated
to 200') for a total of $3,664.95.

The latter sounds like a good option for me since I already have a
couple DS-125 strobes, as long as I can get the right adapter for the
Sea & Sea housing TTL sync.
Greg Mossman - 06 Mar 2007 06:14 GMT
On Mar 5, 7:05 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com>
wrote:
> > That and the new camera setup I'll need for the trip will
>
>  > make a nice 40th birthday present to myself.
>
> Which model camera are you thinking about?  I've been trying to justify
> the cost of a D200... Haven't quite been able to do it yet...

I have no idea, especially because I'm not sure what my budget is
yet.  I'll wait until after the end of 2007 to see what I can afford
on the spectrum between the D200 and a drugstore disposable.  All I
know is that my current Sony F717 camera is 4 years old, therefore
obsolete.  It's only 5 megapixels, long shutter lag, limited memory
capacity, fixed lens, and no way to manually focus inside the Ikelite
housing.  I've found it to be good with closeups in clear water and
with macro, but lousy in wide angle because it always, always insists
on focusing on anything but the actual subject.

So priority one is a housing that lets me focus.  Priority two is
minimal shutter lag.  And I'm going to want to review plenty of
professional-quality u/w shots taken with the camera to prove to me
that if my shots still suck, it's not the camera's fault.
Grumman-581 - 06 Mar 2007 09:16 GMT
> I'll wait until after the end of 2007 to see what I can afford
> on the spectrum between the D200 and a drugstore disposable.

Quite a spectrum... <grin>

> All I know is that my current Sony F717 camera is 4 years old,
> therefore obsolete.  It's only 5 megapixels, long shutter lag,
> limited memory capacity, fixed lens, and no way to manually
> focus inside the Ikelite housing.

The long shutter lag and the time between shots were the two most
irritating things about my point-and-shoot digital camera... Photos
came out pretty good though, considering the fact that I bought it for
it's weatherproof / ruggedized enclosure...

http://www.sh-cs.net/grumman581/2006-12-jackson-wy-trip/2006-12-jackson-wy-007.jpg
http://www.sh-cs.net/grumman581/2006-12-jackson-wy-trip/2006-12-jackson-wy-021.jpg
http://www.sh-cs.net/grumman581/2006-niagara-falls/niagara-falls-049-ec.jpg
http://www.sh-cs.net/grumman581/2006-niagara-falls/niagara-falls-055-ec.jpg
http://www.sh-cs.net/grumman581/2006-niagara-falls/niagara-falls-075-ec.jpg

I get over 2000 images in the highest resolution mode with a 2G memory
card... Not bad, but kind of sucks in that they're in JPEG instead of
RAW format... I've been waiting for a digital SLR to come out that is
as good as 35mm film and from what I've gathered, 10 megapixels will
do it... I'm not truly convinced that the photos will be better than
Kodachrome 25, but since that film is not made anymore, it's kind of a
moot point...

> I've found it to be good with closeups in clear water and
> with macro, but lousy in wide angle because it always,
> always insists on focusing on anything but the actual subject.

It's a poor workman who blames his tools... <grin>

Although the D200 supposedly has a great autofocus system, I guess I'm
just a bit old fashioned in that I like a manual focus with a split
image on a camera...

> So priority one is a housing that lets me focus.  Priority two is
> minimal shutter lag.  And I'm going to want to review plenty of
> professional-quality u/w shots taken with the camera to prove to me
> that if my shots still suck, it's not the camera's fault.

Well, the D200 definitely has minimal shutter lag and startup time
according to the reviews that I've read... It kind of depends upon
what sort of investment in lenses that you have already... If you've
got a good assortment of Nikon lenses, it gets a bit prohibitively
expensive to switch to another brand... Of course, the get the
antishake reduction in the D200, you have to use antishake reduction
lenses whereas with the Pentax K10D, you can use any old lens...
There's probably some sort of breakpoint there such that assuming that
you're buying all new lenses, it would make sense to go with the
Pentax... Hell, some of the lenses might not even be made with
antishake reduction...

It also seems that the Pentax K10D might be a bit more weatherproof
than the D200... This might be an advantage if used in an enclosure,
just in case a little bit of water splashed into it... Not that I
would really want to try it though...
mag3 - 06 Mar 2007 04:07 GMT
>> After a 15 hour flight from Hong Kong, and a bit of rest,  here is the trip report.
>> Summary - Overall one fantastic trip -
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>camera setup I'll need for the trip will make a nice 40th birthday
>present to myself.

The Aggressor was in port while I was there, and we saw it also at a few of the dive
sites as well. Some of the people at our hotel were going to go onto the Aggressor later
(I elected to stay at the hotel).

I knida liked Sam's Tours so  I think I'll stick with them. One of the things I liked about them
was that at the end of day, you were able to store your wet gear in their storage locker facility
that had heat and fans etc. and your gear would be reasonably dry by the next morning when
you arrived at their dock to collect it and go on your assigned boat.  And I arranged things so that
I went on their "Kayak" tour on the last day to give my gear on more day to dry completely before
I collected it to take it back to the hotel for packing. And it was Kevin Davidson - their master
photographer that did the "Blue Corner" specialty course as well as "Master Scuba'ed" me.
I learned a lot about photography.  He proved to me that "orange filters" do in fact make a
difference as the U/W video I shot (after he lent me a filter) came out much better in the ambient
light than other video I've taken in similar light without one.

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Greg Mossman - 06 Mar 2007 06:01 GMT
> I knida liked Sam's Tours so  I think I'll stick with them. One of the things I liked about them
> was that at the end of day, you were able to store your wet gear in their storage locker facility
> that had heat and fans etc. and your gear would be reasonably dry by the next morning when
> you arrived at their dock to collect it and go on your assigned boat.

Sam's is a good operation, but the reason one goes on a liveaboard is
to dive more.  Your gear stays wet because it's continually in use.
No need to go to their dock to collect your gear.  You just take it
off the hanger and put it on.

That said, I do plan to arrive a couple days early to ensure I don't
miss the boat, spending one day at the dolphin center and another day
diving.  I'm not sure who I'll use yet.  We dove with Neco Marine last
time.
mag3 - 06 Mar 2007 13:31 GMT
>> I kinda liked Sam's Tours so  I think I'll stick with them. One of the things I liked about them
>> was that at the end of day, you were able to store your wet gear in their storage locker facility
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>No need to go to their dock to collect your gear.  You just take it
>off the hanger and put it on.

3 is my daily limit, and Sam's would cover me well. I know  people on liveaboards can do
as many as 5 per day, and that would just about kill me. :-) I'm trying to pace myself. Now,
with most of my certs out of the way, there really is no rush.  Next goal is 100 dives for the
TDI Solo cert, but it doesn't matter when. More important to hone the skills and I did quite
a bit on this trip.

>That said, I do plan to arrive a couple days early to ensure I don't
>miss the boat, spending one day at the dolphin center and another day
>diving.  I'm not sure who I'll use yet.  We dove with Neco Marine last
>time.

All of them are decent I understand. I guess I just got to know the Sam's people pretty well and like
their operation. I got to compare them to the "Splash" dive shop (the resident shop at the PPR) and
to a lesser extent, Fish & Fins (who also picked up people at the PPR dock as well). Sam's just had
nicer folks I think. I even got a chance to meet Sam himself as he often hung around the place.  

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Regards,

Arnold
Lee Bell - 06 Mar 2007 11:57 GMT
> I got so jealous, I called Aggressor today and booked my trip for next
> March.  It's a "Jim Church" photo expedition trip with "Mike and
> Mike", so hopefully I'll learn something to boot.

Is Jim still alive?  I thought I got a posthumus gift book from his
collection a few years ago.

>That and the new camera setup I'll need for the trip will make a nice 40th
>birthday
> present to myself.

Careful with all this camera equipment.  Otherwise, you may find you're
spending more time concentrating on photography and less time just enjoying
the dive.  I put my Nikonos stuff away years ago and haven't taken it out
since.  Perhaps I should get it serviced and sell it.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 06 Mar 2007 20:06 GMT
> > I got so jealous, I called Aggressor today and booked my trip for next
> > March.  It's a "Jim Church" photo expedition trip with "Mike and
> > Mike", so hopefully I'll learn something to boot.
>
> Is Jim still alive?  I thought I got a posthumus gift book from his
> collection a few years ago.

You'd be surprised what a bit of formaldehyde can accomplish
nowadays.  Half of all government workers are rumored to be dead, for
instance.  But the Aggressors' photo trips are merely named after the
late Mr. Church, clearly a blatant shameless advertising ploy which
works fine on me.  Mike and Mike were friends of Jim:

http://www.aggressor.com/itineraries_workshop.php
http://www.jimchurchphoto.com/jcmem.html
http://www.jimchurchphoto.com/aboutmm.html

> Careful with all this camera equipment.  Otherwise, you may find you're
> spending more time concentrating on photography and less time just enjoying
> the dive.  I put my Nikonos stuff away years ago and haven't taken it out
> since.  Perhaps I should get it serviced and sell it.

I've gotten to the point where I can't enjoy a dive with camera
equipment.

Naw, it's hardly that bad, but I hate those times when I'm diving
hands-free, come across a really great shot, and all I can do is
making shutter clicking motions with my hands.  I never picked up an
underwater camera until I already had 300 dives under my belt and I
leave my camera stuff at home on half my trips because it's too much
of a pain in the a.s.  I'm not bringing anything to Bonaire next week
for instance, because I don't want to deal with the theft and
electricity issues, and lugging a camera along on a shore dive is a
real PITA.  You'll recall I didn't have a camera on DWG II and that
was due to laziness.

On the other hand, liveaboard trips are made for photo/videography,
with convenient camera tables for tinkering, plenty of lounge space
for laptop editing or video viewing, and lots of captive amateur and
pro divers for immediately feedback.  Combine all that with a photo
course, and it will be a good week, especially if I manage to squeeze
off a few nice shots that win me fame and fortune.  Even without the
fame and fortune, it's fun and it's a challenge, and to me, it
enhances the dive experience (at least when everything is working
right).

(Another bonus is Fish ID, made much easier with a photo of the fish
to compare against ID books after the dive.)

Besides, I've already made a trip to Palau and dove most of the
popular sites without a camera.  This time I'll bring back home more
than memories.
 
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