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Galen Hekhuis - 16 Feb 2007 18:20 GMT
I don't like to be the bearer of bad tidings
http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070216/LOCAL/70215057/-1/news
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Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick - 16 Feb 2007 18:29 GMT
>I don't like to be the bearer of bad tidings
> http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070216/LOCAL/70215057/-1/news
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> Galen Hekhuis                      ghekhuis@earthlink.net
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 It was already on the accident list.
Dennis (Icarus) - 17 Feb 2007 05:08 GMT
> >I don't like to be the bearer of bad tidings

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070216/LOCAL/70215057/-1/news
> > --
> > Galen Hekhuis                      ghekhuis@earthlink.net
> >          Illiterate?  Write for FREE help
>
>   It was already on the accident list.

Well, we could start beating the "solo diving" dead horse some more, though
I think even the bones have been ground to powder by now.

Or just go to
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search
Enter solo diving
rec.scuba

Dennis
Magilla - 17 Feb 2007 13:30 GMT
> Well, we could start beating the "solo diving" dead horse some more,
> though
> I think even the bones have been ground to powder by now.

   Too early, out of respect, although did pick up on that detail.

   And too pointless, as well demonstrated by those who play with JOF.

   Those that will learn, will learn.  The rest will make excuses, or may
someday teach from another place.

Curtis
Galen Hekhuis - 17 Feb 2007 15:47 GMT
>> Well, we could start beating the "solo diving" dead horse some more,
>> though
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>    Those that will learn, will learn.  The rest will make excuses, or may
>someday teach from another place.

I don't know nearly enough about cave diving to weigh in one way or
another on solo cave diving.  Ron Simmons chose to, and I think he was
qualified to make that choice.  Ron was a caver first, then he began
to wear wet suits and later took up "sump diving."  I took up hang
gliding about then, we both thought each other had lost it.  He used
to have a two bedroom apartment, though he lived alone.  One of the
bedrooms was exclusively for cave gear, later dive gear.  One of his
closets was lined with plastic so he could store wet, dripping gear
there.  He was an expert photographer, hired by National Geographic
several times, his photos appeared in places like Outside, and (of
course) frequently in the National Speleological Society News.  He was
made a fellow of that organization.    He was meticulous with his
gear, always cleaning it and maintaining it.  He was a degreed
electrical engineer who worked as a laboratory instrument maker at the
University of Virginia.  He also had (and used) an industrial model
Singer sewing machine.  What gear he couldn't find, he made.  He was
an expert at vertical caving too.  Some of the fastest times in the
100m rope climb were consistently made using the Simmons Racing
Roller.   He'd done his share of "body hauls," too.  He knew all too
well just how nasty and gruesome the job can be.  I'll miss him, he
was my friend.  I won't second guess him.
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  We'll cross that bridge when it rears its ugly head
Magilla - 17 Feb 2007 16:38 GMT
>>    Too early, out of respect, although did pick up on that detail.
>>
>>    And too pointless, as well demonstrated by those who play with JOF.
>>
>>    Those that will learn, will learn.  The rest will make excuses, or may
>> someday teach from another place.

> I don't know nearly enough about cave diving to weigh in one way or
> another on solo cave diving.

   If you cave dive, you already have an opinion, one way or the other.

   You're either accepting, condoning, or withholding comment.

> Ron Simmons chose to, and I think he was
> qualified to make that choice.

   A choice many make for themselves.

   I'm qualified to make my personal choices also.

   The consequences, however, can go well beyond any individual.

   Your following comments are well accepted;

> Ron was a caver first, then he began
> to wear wet suits and later took up "sump diving."  I took up hang
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> well just how nasty and gruesome the job can be.  I'll miss him, he
> was my friend.

   He deserves no less recognition.

   I apologize if my comments seem(ed) personal, not meant to be, they are
more a reply to the general comment from Dennis.

> I won't second guess him.

Curtis
Galen Hekhuis - 17 Feb 2007 16:50 GMT
>...
>    I apologize if my comments seem(ed) personal, not meant to be, they are
>more a reply to the general comment from Dennis.

No problem.
Dennis (Icarus) - 18 Feb 2007 02:10 GMT
<snip>
> well just how nasty and gruesome the job can be.  I'll miss him, he
> was my friend.  I won't second guess him.

My condolences on your loss

Dennis
Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick - 17 Feb 2007 21:04 GMT
>> Well, we could start beating the "solo diving" dead horse some more,
>> though
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>    Those that will learn, will learn.  The rest will make excuses, or may
> someday teach from another place.

 Do we know how or why he died?

 Would a buddy have saved him, or be the second victim?

 Thanks for dinner last night, Dennis!

 Glad you liked my new hat! :-)
Al Wells - 17 Feb 2007 21:41 GMT
>   Do we know how or why he died?
>
>   Would a buddy have saved him, or be the second victim?

All I've seen or heard is the information that has been on the boards.
The dive was described as "a solo sidemount exploration dig", and that
would be consistent with who the guy is. Dives like this are usually
done solo because there is virtually no vis in very tight passage. The
newspaper said that a deputy said that there was "a complicaton with his
equipment".

The IUCRR did the recovery, and when that happens in FL, eventually we
usually get a report. Maybe Curtis knows more?
Magilla - 18 Feb 2007 00:48 GMT
> The IUCRR did the recovery, and when that happens in FL, eventually we
> usually get a report. Maybe Curtis knows more?

   No, and my comments read carefully should indicate that I am not
addressing it.

Curtis
Dennis (Icarus) - 18 Feb 2007 02:13 GMT
> >> Well, we could start beating the "solo diving" dead horse some more,
> >> though
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>   Do we know how or why he died?

The article just said an equipment malfunction of some kind.

>   Would a buddy have saved him, or be the second victim?

Could be either possibility.

>   Thanks for dinner last night, Dennis!

You're welcome brother, anytime.

>   Glad you liked my new hat! :-)

Dang it, forgot to get a picture of it.... :-)

Dennis
Dennis (Icarus) - 18 Feb 2007 02:09 GMT
> > Well, we could start beating the "solo diving" dead horse some more,
> > though
> > I think even the bones have been ground to powder by now.
>
>     Too early, out of respect, although did pick up on that detail.

Indeed. I doubt anything new could be said in that regard. Hopefully anyone
who thinks they do have something new, will first read what'd already been
posted.

>     And too pointless, as well demonstrated by those who play with JOF.
>
>     Those that will learn, will learn.  The rest will make excuses, or may
> someday teach from another place.

Yep.

Dennis
Dan Bracuk - 16 Feb 2007 22:53 GMT
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:

:I don't like to be the bearer of bad tidings
:http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070216/LOCAL/70215057/-1/news

Obviously PADI's fault.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
nitespark - 16 Feb 2007 22:58 GMT
> Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Obviously PADI's fault.

PADI doesn't certify cave divers.

"A certified cave diver from Virginia apparently drowned this week while
cave diving alone in a spring along the Suwannee River."
Dan Bracuk - 17 Feb 2007 00:35 GMT
nitespark <nitespark@cox.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:

:PADI doesn't certify cave divers.

If they did, he'd still be alive.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
 
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