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Sheldon - 15 Feb 2007 02:13 GMT I'm planning on taking a course here in Colorado, then going somewhere to get my two open water dives in for my PADI certification. Since I'm a complete novice, what can I expect to do in both the pool course and the open water certification? Any tips for a novice that most people don't know about?
Thanks a lot.
Sheldon sheldon@sopris.net
Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick - 15 Feb 2007 02:29 GMT > I'm planning on taking a course here in Colorado, then going somewhere to > get > my two open water dives in for my PADI certification. Since I'm a > complete > novice, what can I expect to do in both the pool course and the open water > certification? Any tips for a novice that most people don't know about? Make sure you can swim- well.
It's an assumption many people make, because they could in highschool 15 years ago, and you know, how could you forget? :-)
Read the book from cover to cover, BEFORE the class, and make sure your instructor covers everything in it.
You're paying to learn it, don't get short changed.
> Thanks a lot. > > Sheldon > sheldon@sopris.net Dan Bracuk - 15 Feb 2007 02:46 GMT "Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:I'm planning on taking a course here in Colorado, then going somewhere to :get :my two open water dives in for my PADI certification. Since I'm a complete :novice, what can I expect to do in both the pool course and the open water :certification? Any tips for a novice that most people don't know about? Sounds like you have your act together. Keep doing what you're doing and enjoy yourself.
And pay attention to what your instructor tells you.
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Lee Bell - 15 Feb 2007 03:01 GMT > I'm planning on taking a course here in Colorado, then going somewhere to > get my two open water dives in for my PADI certification. Hopefully, 4 dives are still required.
> Since I'm a complete novice, what can I expect to do in both the pool > course and the open water > certification? Any tips for a novice that most people don't know about? You're learn a little about gas laws and about how to avoid decompression and embolism problems in the classroom. It's not difficult, but it is important. In the pool, you'll learn how to clear a mask, how to assemble your equipment, how to use it to breathe underwater and a few skills that will help keep you out of trouble or help get you out of it when you err. In the open water dives, you'll demonstrate some of the same skills you learned in the pool and get a chance to actually put them to work during real dives.
As for tips, if you have not snorkeled much, take your mask to a pool and practice flooding and clearing it. That's probably the skill more new divers have trouble with than any other.
Most importantly, though, pay attention, ask if you don't understand something, and have a good time.
Lee
dechucka - 15 Feb 2007 03:10 GMT >> I'm planning on taking a course here in Colorado, then going somewhere to >> get my two open water dives in for my PADI certification. > > Hopefully, 4 dives are still required. I would go for 6 min.
>> Since I'm a complete novice, what can I expect to do in both the pool >> course and the open water [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > practice flooding and clearing it. That's probably the skill more new > divers have trouble with than any other. People actually learn to dive who can't swim or snorkel
> Most importantly, though, pay attention, ask if you don't understand > something, and have a good time. ask and practice. If you are not comfortable ask and practice again. If you are not comfortable at the end of the course either don't dive ( do a refresher) or dive with a experianced buddy you have confidence in. When you do your first 0-10 independent dives if you have a DM explain your experiance level the same with whoever you are diving with. If they poo poo your exoperiance level and put you down because of it I would be very wary of diving with them.
Overall keep safe if you don't want to do it don't do it.
> Lee dechucka - 15 Feb 2007 03:11 GMT >>> I'm planning on taking a course here in Colorado, then going somewhere >>> to get my two open water dives in for my PADI certification. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> >> Lee NEVER EVER HOLD YOUR BREATH, remember the last 3m will kill you
Scott - 15 Feb 2007 03:16 GMT > I'm planning on taking a course here in Colorado, then going somewhere to > get [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Sheldon > sheldon@sopris.net Dont buy any gear except a mask and fins. You may not dig diving, and you'll get pennies on the dollar for gear you get hung on you for OW certification.
Dont hold your breath on *any* ascent.
Breathe, and relax.
If you arent having fun, get out of the water.
Any diver can abort any dive for any reason.
Learn to thumb a dive in the parking lot.
HotRdd - 15 Feb 2007 14:32 GMT Since I just did my courses in October. I can second everything Lee and Scott have said. If you don't understand why you are doing something then ask the instructor. When I took the course I took it with a friend that can't swim very well. This made a huge difference since he spent most of his time getting comfortable in the water. He also spent lots of money on new equipment and to date has never done his open water dives. Therefore I've lost my diving buddy. If you really like diving be prepared to join a group or find some local divers to dive with. This is a buddy sport. Also when I took my open water dives it was still 4 dives, though your instructor may bunch them all together. The two activities that were the hardest were learning to breath without a mask on and learning to sip air from a free flowing regulator. I spent my extra time in the pool learning to recover my lost regulator.
Funny story, when I decided to take the PADI dive course my sister in law had already been diving a few times in Thailand and was giving me all kinds of advice, as I got closer to the open water I heard more and more scary stories about the things that have went wrong while she had been diving. Mostly fear related. It turns out that at the end of the course I had more underwater time then she had total and am a lot more comfortable in the water. I strongly believe that taking the full course is the way to go.
Before I took the diving course I would have been more then willing to strap on a tank and just dive. Now that I've taken the course I really discourage it.
> I'm planning on taking a course here in Colorado, then going somewhere to > get [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sheldon > sheldon@sopris.net -hh - 15 Feb 2007 15:31 GMT > ...When I took the course I took it with a friend that > can't swim very well. This made a huge difference since > he spent most of his time getting comfortable in the water. In general, the more comfortable you are in the water, the less you'll have to be distracted by basic "watermanship" skills and you'll then be able to focus on what's new/different/unique about scuba diving.
Probably one of the most common things that will be the same between the pool and OW ... and something that has become trivial second- nature for most experienced divers ... is ear clearing (ie, equalization).
Clearing your ears is probably one of the major stumbling blocks for novice divers. If you're already an accomplished snorkler, you probably already have a good portion of this skill learned...and if you're not, you can practice it on snorkeling gear with surface dives into the pool's deep end. The main thing to remember is to clear *before* your ears start to hurt.
> [friend who took the class] ...also spent lots of money on new > equipment and to date has never done his open water dives. > Therefore I've lost my diving buddy. A good illustration in knowing the "right time" to buy one's gear. There's millions of dollars worth of gear currently rotting in the bottom of closets and corners of garages that was bought by a Student and used less than a dozen times, either because he never was really all that comfortable, or because he didn't develop the opportunties to practice the sport.
> Funny story, when I decided to take the PADI dive course my sister in law > had already been diving a few times in Thailand and was giving me all kinds [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > underwater time then she had total and am a lot more comfortable in the > water. I strongly believe that taking the full course is the way to go. Agreed. While there are specific skills to learn, and fitness is a very good thing to have too, IMO much of the actual skills of scuba diving is mental: awareness and control. That's why you hear "be comfortable in the water" mentioned so much.
-hh
JOF - 15 Feb 2007 17:51 GMT > It turns out that at the end of the course I had more > underwater time then she had total and am a lot more comfortable in the > water. You were comfortable before you took the course.
> Before I took the diving course I would have been more then willing to strap > on a tank and just dive. You did.
I vote for the VStrom by the way. A friend of mine has the 650. He researched them thoroughly and decided that the 650 was a better balanced ride (and the insurance is cheaper). You're a bigger load but unless you want to pull stumps with it I doubt power will be an issue. BTW money was not a factor with him. 8)
JF
HotRdd - 15 Feb 2007 19:41 GMT JOF Your on to many newsgroups....
P.S. Don't tell the wife... I'm hoping to get rid of the other 650 Yamaha in the garage this spring, and with the Porsche sold I have lots of floor space for a new toy. Though I just filled a lot of space with a bunch of new industrial wood working tools. When the weather gets nice I'll have to take a trip to you neck of the woods or you can come this way and we'll dive.
>> It turns out that at the end of the course I had more >> underwater time then she had total and am a lot more comfortable in the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > JF HotRdd - 15 Feb 2007 19:43 GMT Strapping on a tank and diving in the pool is a world away from diving in the open water. Which reminds me I still haven't recieved my card from PADI...
>> It turns out that at the end of the course I had more >> underwater time then she had total and am a lot more comfortable in the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You did. HotRdd - 15 Feb 2007 19:40 GMT I forgot to mention, find a new friend on this newsgroup, talk him into letting you borrow some equipment and then slowly, very slowly, return it as you buy some new stuff. If you get really lucky he'll forget who he lent it too :-)
JOF - 15 Feb 2007 20:20 GMT > I forgot to mention, find a new friend on this newsgroup, talk him into > letting you borrow some equipment and then slowly, very slowly, return it as > you buy some new stuff. If you get really lucky he'll forget who he lent it > too :-) If you want to get away with something like that, it's probably better not to pick someone who knows yer old man.
JF
HotRdd - 15 Feb 2007 20:54 GMT Or knows how to track me down in the newsgroups.
JOF - 15 Feb 2007 22:08 GMT > Or knows how to track me down in the newsgroups. Hey, I like bikes. What can I say? 8)
JF
Sheldon - 16 Feb 2007 05:14 GMT > I'm planning on taking a course here in Colorado, then going somewhere to > get [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sheldon > sheldon@sopris.net Thanks for all the great advice. I finally got back into the pool with some swim goggles and it made all the difference. I feel a lot more comfortable now, since I wear contacts, and it's a lot more fun swimming under the water than on top. The swimming is looking better, and today an instructor watched me and said I have a few bad habits that he can help me with. I have a lesson with him this Sunday.
I agree with all of you, in that I have to get the swimming down to the point where I'm very comfortable and can concentrate on the scuba part of it. Considering today was only my second day in the water after all these years, I think I'm doing better than okay, but I still need some more work and more time. I feel confident now I'll be ready when the course starts.
Thanks again.
Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick - 16 Feb 2007 08:20 GMT >> I'm planning on taking a course here in Colorado, then going somewhere to >> get [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Thanks again. Welcome to Rec.scuba.
Dan Bracuk - 16 Feb 2007 22:47 GMT "Douglas W \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
: Welcome to Rec.scuba. Kindest and gentlest newsgroup on usenet.
Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Sheldon - 17 Feb 2007 05:21 GMT > "Douglas W \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> > pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: > > : Welcome to Rec.scuba. > > Kindest and gentlest newsgroup on usenet. And fast answers. I like that.
Lee Bell - 16 Feb 2007 12:28 GMT > Thanks for all the great advice. I finally got back into the pool with > some swim goggles and it made all the difference. Unless they really are goggles, which are not appropriate for scuba diving, don't call them goggles. If your nose occupies the same space as your eyes, it's a mask.
> I agree with all of you, in that I have to get the swimming down to the > point where I'm very comfortable and can concentrate on the scuba part of > it. Considering today was only my second day in the water after all these > years, I think I'm doing better than okay, but I still need some more work > and more time. I feel confident now I'll be ready when the course starts. You don't have to be a technically correct swimmer, or a particularly fast swimmer, just a confident and effective one.
Lee
Sheldon - 17 Feb 2007 05:25 GMT >> Thanks for all the great advice. I finally got back into the pool with >> some swim goggles and it made all the difference. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Lee Well, besides being comfortable, I will have to swim 200 yards -- anyway I can. That's 8 lengths of the pool and I live at 8000'. Not much oxygen up here. I might just float the entire distance. lol
Chris Guynn - 16 Feb 2007 14:48 GMT > I'm planning on taking a course here in Colorado, then going somewhere to > get [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Sheldon > sheldon@sopris.net Pay special attention to the parts on bouyancy. Of all the skills you'll learn in your class, this one will probably make the biggest difference in your enjoyment of the dive.
Don't stop breathing and ascend slowly. Those two things will probably make the biggest difference in your enjoyment of the after-dive.
HotRdd - 19 Feb 2007 15:53 GMT One thing that I didn't see mentioned yet is don't get frustrated. Buoyancy in a shallow pool is one of the hardest things to get right, I always felt like I was either shooting up or down. Once you get into 40+ feet of water this becomes easier.
> Pay special attention to the parts on bouyancy. Of all the skills you'll > learn in your class, this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > make the biggest difference > in your enjoyment of the after-dive. Greg Mossman - 19 Feb 2007 16:49 GMT > One thing that I didn't see mentioned yet is don't get frustrated. Buoyancy > in a shallow pool is one of the hardest things to get right, I always felt > like I was either shooting up or down. Once you get into 40+ feet of water > this becomes easier. Why? Even on a 40' dive, you still have to maintain a slow ascent rate in the shallows and hopefully hold your position at a safety stop for a few minutes.
HotRdd - 19 Feb 2007 17:06 GMT When I was in 15 feet of water trying to be neutrally bouyant, the first few times, and then swim it was almost impossible, a deep breath could easly cause you to start shooting for the surface. It's something that needs to be mastered but it's very tough to do in a pool. Maybe this is just a personal problem?
>> One thing that I didn't see mentioned yet is don't get frustrated. >> Buoyancy [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > rate in the shallows and hopefully hold your position at a safety stop > for a few minutes. JOF - 19 Feb 2007 17:48 GMT > When I was in 15 feet of water trying to be neutrally bouyant, the first few > times, and then swim it was almost impossible, a deep breath could easly > cause you to start shooting for the surface. It's something that needs to be > mastered but it's very tough to do in a pool. Maybe this is just a personal > problem? Nothing personal about it. It's a lot easier for a diver to maintain level flight at depth than at 15'. Some, like ESG, are able to ignore the laws of physics and hover wherever and whenever they want. Mike looks like a skinny Buddha poised in the lotus position, seemingly asleep, for his safety stop. It might not be magical power as much as 3 zillion dives in his log.
JF
-hh - 22 Feb 2007 15:03 GMT > > Maybe this is just a personal > > problem? > > Nothing personal about it. It's a lot easier for a diver to maintain > level flight at depth than at 15'. Which is because of basic physics: we never not have zero air volume, and a 1 foot change in depth causes a change in pressure - and thus volume, thus buoyancy - that ends up being a much larger *percentage* change than when you're deeper.
Very simply speaking, the absolute pressure at 10ft is around 20psia, whereas its 21psia at 12ft, which is a 10% change in buoyancy over 2ft depth change.
Drop down to 60ft (2ATM = 45psia), and while a 2ft change still only changes the local pressure by 1psi, as a percentage, 1/45 is now only a 2% change. To have the same 10% change would require a 4.5psi shift, which would need a 9ft change in depth.
-hh
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