>I am certified and my wife is thinking about it. Is there a good place in
>Maryland where she can try SCUBA out, we are in the
> gaithersburg, north potomac area.
> >I am certified and my wife is thinking about it. Is there a good place in
> >Maryland where she can try SCUBA out, we are in the
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> find nearby. Take her to Grand Cayman and let her learn where the coral and
> the fish are bright and colorful.
Why spend the money to stay in Grand Cayman to sit in a classroom?
It's better to learn locally in Maryland, then do the certification
dives in a tropical locale if she's going to be a WWW. On the other
hand, maybe she'll want to dive locally, in which case it's almost
necessary to get certified locally. Even if she ends up a WWW, she'll
end up a better diver if she survives the local dives.
Also, the best of Grand Cayman is "bottomless" wall diving, something
not recommended for a beginner still working out the kinks in her
buoyancy.
Robert Dickson - 01 Feb 2007 03:28 GMT
If he's thinking about a Discover Scuba type dive (yes, I know it's
PADI), then it would be better to go warm. If she's not sure, she
might not want spend the time and money to go through the full
certification class. And besides, it would be warm.
>> >I am certified and my wife is thinking about it. Is there a good place in
>> >Maryland where she can try SCUBA out, we are in the
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>not recommended for a beginner still working out the kinks in her
>buoyancy.
Greg Mossman - 01 Feb 2007 03:40 GMT
> If he's thinking about a Discover Scuba type dive (yes, I know it's
> PADI), then it would be better to go warm. If she's not sure, she
> might not want spend the time and money to go through the full
> certification class. And besides, it would be warm.
A warm pool can also be a place to find out whether one likes the
feeling of breathing underwater. Good dive shops should offer a
"Discover Scuba" in their pools to potentially interested customers.
Discover dives aren't limited to PADI. But they can be dangerous,
especially outside the auspices of the U.S. legal liability system
Dan Bracuk - 01 Feb 2007 04:01 GMT
"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:A warm pool can also be a place to find out whether one likes the
:feeling of breathing underwater. Good dive shops should offer a
:"Discover Scuba" in their pools to potentially interested customers.
:
:Discover dives aren't limited to PADI. But they can be dangerous,
:especially outside the auspices of the U.S. legal liability system
How does the legal system make discover dives less dangerous?
Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Greg Mossman - 01 Feb 2007 07:14 GMT
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
> :Discover dives aren't limited to PADI. But they can be dangerous,
> :especially outside the auspices of the U.S. legal liability system
>
> How does the legal system make discover dives less dangerous?
Increased adherence to safety rules due to the threat of litigation.
Dan Bracuk - 02 Feb 2007 02:34 GMT
"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:Increased adherence to safety rules due to the threat of litigation.
The ol' United Suers of America?
Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
-hh - 02 Feb 2007 12:06 GMT
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
> :Increased adherence to safety rules due to the threat of litigation.
>
> The ol' United Suers of America?
Pretty much. For example, in the Caymans, local laws do not have the
concept of "Class Action" lawsuits, which in the USA is typically a
technique for a group of plaintiffs to effectively pool their legal
costs to pursue an action that might not otherwise be cost-effective.
-hh
Greg Mossman - 02 Feb 2007 17:07 GMT
> > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> > resulting in:
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> technique for a group of plaintiffs to effectively pool their legal
> costs to pursue an action that might not otherwise be cost-effective.
Other jurisdictions might have a system where the loser bears the
costs and attorneys' fees for both sides in civil action. Or it may
be difficult for foreigners to bring lawsuits. Or it may be more
difficult to enforce a judgment against a company. Or bribery and
other corruption may interfere with "justice".
There are plenty of reasons why the U.S. legal system is the most
highly respected in the world (and plenty of reasons why it's also one
of the least respected).
dechucka - 01 Feb 2007 04:16 GMT
>> If he's thinking about a Discover Scuba type dive (yes, I know it's
>> PADI), then it would be better to go warm. If she's not sure, she
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> Discover dives aren't limited to PADI. But they can be dangerous,
> especially outside the auspices of the U.S. legal liability system
IMVHO a discover scuba dive should be done somewhere where there is
something interesting to look at because that take the new divers thoughts
away from the idea of breathing underwater to a certain extent. I agree with
your previous comments that going away to a resort to learn diving is a
waste of time sitting on the land when you could be wet blowing bubbles.
Admittedly I have great diving close so I am bias
BTW I'm not sure how the US legal system makes Discover dives safer
Dan Bracuk - 02 Feb 2007 02:33 GMT
"dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:IMVHO a discover scuba dive should be done somewhere where there is
:something interesting to look at because that take the new divers thoughts
:away from the idea of breathing underwater to a certain extent.
I see nothing wrong with doing it at your local pool. If nothing
else, it will quickly identify any show stoppers.
Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Lee Bell - 01 Feb 2007 05:42 GMT
> Why spend the money to stay in Grand Cayman to sit in a classroom?
> It's better to learn locally in Maryland, then do the certification
> dives in a tropical locale if she's going to be a WWW. On the other
> hand, maybe she'll want to dive locally, in which case it's almost
> necessary to get certified locally. Even if she ends up a WWW, she'll
> end up a better diver if she survives the local dives.
Because it's not polite to keep saying "bring her to Florida."
> Also, the best of Grand Cayman is "bottomless" wall diving, something
> not recommended for a beginner still working out the kinks in her
> buoyancy.
The best for you and me is wall diving. Grand Cayman has some wonderful
shallow reef diving that can be done quite economically from shore.
Lee
Greg Mossman - 01 Feb 2007 07:23 GMT
> > Why spend the money to stay in Grand Cayman to sit in a classroom?
> > It's better to learn locally in Maryland, then do the certification
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> The best for you and me is wall diving. Grand Cayman has some wonderful
> shallow reef diving that can be done quite economically from shore.
It's not that wonderful. There's better and more economical shore
diving in Roatan or Bonaire (and Curacao?). Or stick with boat dives
in the Keys.
Lee Bell - 01 Feb 2007 17:04 GMT
>> The best for you and me is wall diving. Grand Cayman has some wonderful
>> shallow reef diving that can be done quite economically from shore.
> It's not that wonderful. There's better and more economical shore
> diving in Roatan or Bonaire (and Curacao?). Or stick with boat dives
> in the Keys.
I guess opinions differ. Some of my favorite dives of all times, where
night shore dives around Devil's Grotto.
Lee
Greg Mossman - 01 Feb 2007 18:35 GMT
> >> The best for you and me is wall diving. Grand Cayman has some wonderful
> >> shallow reef diving that can be done quite economically from shore.
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> I guess opinions differ. Some of my favorite dives of all times, where
> night shore dives around Devil's Grotto.
I never dove there at night, so I wouldn't know. Day dives are
interesting there with all the swimthroughs and the tarpons that start
lurking around in the afternoon , but the coral is almost all dead and
the fish life scanty. The reef is a bit healthier up at the turtle
farm, but that's a "mini wall" with no swimthrough opportunities. At
Cobalt Coast, there's a gently sloping hill that they call a wall.
Its growth is healthier yet, but the terrain is boring and I still
wouldn't call it a wonderful dive, at least when compared to the
diving I've done on the north wall.