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Be Aware of Mossman
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Ever Mostman - 29 Jan 2007 08:34 GMT YOu guys need to be aware of this guy, Greg Mossman is a gay. A diver gay lives in SoCali.
LOL, you tell me i"ll tell you
n0fear@webtv.net
Joe English - 29 Jan 2007 13:10 GMT > YOu guys need to be aware of this guy, Greg Mossman is a gay. A diver > gay lives in SoCali. > > LOL, you tell me i"ll tell you > > n0fear@webtv.net do you think that anyone here gives a rat's a.s what you think about Mossman?
We can tell by your address that you really are low on the worthwhile list - Mossman is tiers above you
Atin washin - 30 Jan 2007 10:59 GMT ANOTHER GAY PASTER WANTS TO SUCK ME, YA GOTTA PROBLEM? ARE YOU ANOTHER GAY FRIEND OF MOSSMAN FAGOT LOL...... I DON'T GIVE A sh.t ABOUT GREG OR ANDY BEING ABOVE ME... WHAT AN a.shole
GAY MOLESTER lol
Gregmoss Fagot - 30 Jan 2007 11:12 GMT OKAY LISTEN, I WANT MOSSMAN TO SAY HE'S SORRY TO ISLANDER.
LOL....FEI NOM means vuc u
Dr. Kedar Vartak - 31 Jan 2007 19:27 GMT Excuse me but I thought this was a Scuba newsgroup. Maybe I was wrong
> OKAY LISTEN, I WANT MOSSMAN TO SAY HE'S SORRY TO ISLANDER. > > LOL....FEI NOM means vuc u Lee Bell - 31 Jan 2007 19:55 GMT > Excuse me but I thought this was a Scuba newsgroup. Maybe I was wrong > >> OKAY LISTEN, I WANT MOSSMAN TO SAY HE'S SORRY TO ISLANDER. >> >> LOL....FEI NOM means vuc u See what I mean?
Grumman-581 - 31 Jan 2007 20:00 GMT > Excuse me but I thought this was a Scuba newsgroup. Maybe I was wrong It is, but sometimes we get these WebTV weenies in here disrupting our discussion of guns, politics, and diving...
Since you're new here, here's the classic welcome...
http://grumman581.googlepages.com/welcome-rec-scuba
Dr. Kedar Vartak - 31 Jan 2007 20:10 GMT Thank you. You have been most kind. But I intend to stay and contribute. By the way I am a long time reader of the group- not exactly new- but decided to write when the discussions were getting rather unwelcome.
>> Excuse me but I thought this was a Scuba newsgroup. Maybe I was wrong > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://grumman581.googlepages.com/welcome-rec-scuba Scott - 31 Jan 2007 20:22 GMT > Thank you. You have been most kind. But I intend to stay and contribute. > By the way I am a long time reader of the group- not exactly new- but > decided to write when the discussions were getting rather unwelcome. So, tell us how the diving in UAE is.
Dr. Kedar Vartak - 31 Jan 2007 20:41 GMT Dubai on the west coast- all wrecks and sandy bottom. Some exciting wrecks with a lot of history attached like MV Dara. Supposedly the second in terms of number of maritime casualties. Never had a chance to actually dive it but sure would like to. Other smaller ones sunk to make artificial reefs. East coast is excellent for corals and fish. Cuttlefish, morays, turtles and a very much red sea like appeareance minus the wall diving. North- Musandam of Oman- is less visited hence more abundant undersea life. Occasional Dolphins and sharks. (Recent reports of a whale shark) Do go to http://www.dubaidivers.com/
>> Thank you. You have been most kind. But I intend to stay and contribute. >> By the way I am a long time reader of the group- not exactly new- but >> decided to write when the discussions were getting rather unwelcome. > > So, tell us how the diving in UAE is. Scott - 01 Feb 2007 01:51 GMT > Dubai on the west coast- all wrecks and sandy bottom. Some exciting wrecks > with a lot of history attached like MV Dara. Supposedly the second in terms [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Dolphins and sharks. (Recent reports of a whale shark) Do go to > http://www.dubaidivers.com/ Thanks, and welcome to the group. It looks like your northern coast would be ripe with great dive sites, especially south and west of Abu Dhabi. What are the two palm looking, and obviously man made structures? (Google Earth)
My nephew is in the Army and sent me a CD of pictures he took while stationed in Egypt and diving the Red Sea.
Barkeep, a belt for the Doc.
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George Price and Sheree Price - 02 Feb 2007 20:48 GMT >> Dubai on the west coast- all wrecks and sandy bottom. Some exciting >> wrecks [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Barkeep, a belt for the Doc. Scott, I saw something on this a few months ago. Some serious money here. Take a look: http://realestate.theemiratesnetwork.com/developments/dubai/index_palm.php
George
Scott - 02 Feb 2007 21:06 GMT > Scott, > I saw something on this a few months ago. Some serious money here. Take a > look: > http://realestate.theemiratesnetwork.com/developments/dubai/index_palm.php Amazing, huh? *serious* money.
The first question that comes to my mind is how they are going to secure this from the Islamic Fascists, who will surely target such an area.
Lee Bell - 02 Feb 2007 22:19 GMT > The first question that comes to my mind is how they are going to secure > this from the Islamic Fascists, who will surely target such an area. Easy. They don't have any "have pity on them, they had a bad childhood" liberals there.
Lee
Scott - 03 Feb 2007 00:22 GMT > > The first question that comes to my mind is how they are going to secure > > this from the Islamic Fascists, who will surely target such an area. > > Easy. They don't have any "have pity on them, they had a bad childhood" > liberals there. Plus, they like their money.
Bin Laden, Zarkawi, Ayatolla Homeni didnt have bad childhoods, and niether did Jihad Johnny.
The unfortunate truth is that most of the leaders of Al Queda and the other terrorist organizations grew up quite well off, many attending colleges.
Like a lot of the little a.sholes you see being liberals/far left moonbats/protesters here in the US.
http://patdollard.com/young-americans
Greg Mossman - 03 Feb 2007 00:48 GMT > The unfortunate truth is that most of the leaders of Al Queda and the other > terrorist organizations grew up quite well off, many attending colleges. > > Like a lot of the little a.sholes you see being liberals/far left > moonbats/protesters here in the US. Are you suggesting that far-right conservative moonbats are far more likely than liberals to be uneducated morons? Well, statistics show that you're right for once.
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 03 Feb 2007 04:19 GMT > Are you suggesting that far-right conservative moonbats are far more > likely than liberals to be uneducated morons? Well, statistics show > that you're right for once. You have no statistices, only cowardice, lies and bullshit.
http://patdollard.com/2007/01/11/this-civil-war-is-on-in-america-not-iraq/#more-33
Democratic Senator Dick Durbin's official response to President Bush's speech was literally nothing but drivel. And self-contradictory drivel, no less. Which is no mean f.cking feat. Quite an achievement to make just enough sense to contradict yourself. Which means it made just enough sense to reveal the complete bankruptcy of ideas and policies that has left the now literally treasonous Democratic Party unable to serve America, and only able to serve itself.
The Democrats' months-old overall position on Iraq makes no sense, and therefor relies on, at best, tortured, twisted and tragi-comically shifting logic and arguments. And the biggest problem with their position ( I'd say policies, but they have none other than the domestic political play of retreat, based on an Orwellian Big Brother declaration of defeat, solely in order to have the advantage in the 2008 elections ) is that it is based not on the facts on the ground in Iraq, but instead on a propaganda soundbite, created and promoted as reality by their Propaganda Ministry ( the MSM ): Iraq is in a civil war. This very concept, created by those desperate for it to be so for the sake of political gain, lays the entire foundation for the Democrats' position. What if it were not true? Well then, the entire Democratic agenda, quite simply a demand for a retreat, would be wrong. And guess f.cking what? You got it.
I was in Ramadi when Al Qaeda blew up the Shia's golden-domed shrine. They blew it up with the express goals of fomenting a civil war that the Iraqis clearly were not interested in, and to create the resultant American political divisiveness you see today. The entire Jihad movement very closely monitors American politics and media. They are obsessed with it. They understand that the media war is every bit as critical as the ground war. Americans, very naive and with few alternative sources, most often simply believe what they see and hear in the media, not understanding the media's motives and manipulations, nor how the media itself has been manipulated. When the Dome was blown up, nearly all Iraqis knew it was Zarqwai and weren't taking the bait. Meanwhile, I watched as the MSM reported on protests in Ramadi that were not happening. They reported on many phantom events in Ramadi, including the overrunning of the Ramadi Government Center, while I stood in the middle of it, with nary a shot fired all day. Were they lying about the protests? One way or another, by intent or negligence, they were. And let's not forget, every crime has a motive. The media's motive is to promote defeat in order to get their client, the Democratic Party, elected. ( The time for mincing words is long gone, there is too much at stake. Treason is as treason does. )
By the time the Dome blew, years had transpired without any broad civil war sentiment or activity, in an Iraq in which 90% of the households have automatic weapons. Nor did that change after the Dome blew. As armed as all Iraqis are, if the civil war game was on, we would see it as clearly as we see the hands at the ends of our arms. Instead all that we see are the violent acts of limited, special- interest sectarian gangs, comprised primarily of, well, gangsters and not the average Iraqi. Shiite and Sunni thugs ( Al Sadr of course amongst them ) used the event to whip up as many potential gang- recruits as they could, and then to go for broke with the violence and seemingly sectarian neighborhood cleansing. And it was sectarian, but sectarian only as it related to gang warfare.
And that is what we are seeing in Iraq - widespread but limited, organized gang turf wars, not the broad, populist, armed movement that is the true definition of a civil war. As it has always been from the beginning, we are not fighting the people of Iraq, we are not fighting a populist insurgency, we are fighting criminal gangs. The people of Iraq, in fact, would like to see democracy, capitalism and modern education flower in their homeland. This is why they vote in greater percentages than we Americans.
The second biggest flaw in the Democrats' position is the illogical and self-contradictory essence of both their arguments and operating principles. They say the solution in Iraq is political, not just military, so we should retreat. This makes absolutely no sense, or can only make sense to a facile, child-like mind. The problem with their position is astoundingly simple: no political solution is possible without the military strength to implement and protect it. Their positions are at cross-purposes. You simply cannot implement a stable political infrastructure by first eliminating the effective military force that is any such infrastructure's lifeblood. It's like removing the amniotic fluid from a womb: the baby is not going to grow. It is going to die.
Their position is nothing short of lunacy. The Democrats have left themselves nothing but such lunactic positions, because their goals for Iraq have nothing to do with what is best for the peace and security of the United States and the world. Their goals for Iraq only have to do with what is best for the Democratic Party: make the Republican Party look bad. And the best way to do that is to make Iraq an American defeat. I have never seen such widespread naked treason, such absolute evil, in all my 42 years. They and the MSM have tunnelvision: they only care about selling their Big Brother, false script of defeat to the American people; for years they have been in a frenzy to sell this war as Vietnam - for personal gain - and now that frenzy is at a fever pitch. In their minds, they cannot, and will not, be stopped. But good people have stopped worse. We can still prevail over the American insurgents that we are now forced to fight. Their positions are so illogical and tortured because it is very hard to make what is bad for America, and indeed what will ultimately be fatal to many Americans, look good for America. This is why you keep shaking your head when you hear the Dems and the MSM speak about this war. Because just as it made no sense for Big Brother to declare "War is Peace" it makes no sense for them to declare that what is bad for America is actually good for America.
And perhaps the final problem with the Democrats' position I will just touch on here, but will elaborate on later. Their entire posititon is completely devoid of the concept of consequences. Nowhere do they analyze for us, let alone even address, the consequences of a U.S. retreat from Iraq. It is because those consequences are almost certainly a fresh wave of civilian casualties on American soil, at the hands of Jihadis who will then have substantial portions of Iraq's resources to use for those attacks, as well as the freedom from focusing on Iraq and the resultant freedom to focus on our homeland. They do not want you to know this, because if you do, you will not support a U.S. retreat from Iraq. Yes, they are evil. It sounds crazy, but no other word bears as legitimate a description of their behavior. They rely on us shying from such extreme language, even though it is the truest language, out of our own fear of undercutting our credibility. Credibility is not lost by operating in the extremes, it is lost by operating outside of the truth. The contemporary Democratic Party has become the most malignant internal cancer to eat at the body of America, in the history of America.
Yes, clearly the Civil War is on in America. And to quote one of the left's own icons, Michael Stipe of REM, "The time to rise has been engaged".
Greg Mossman - 03 Feb 2007 05:35 GMT On Feb 2, 8:19 pm, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Their position is nothing short of lunacy. The Democrats have left > themselves nothing but such lunactic positions, because their goals [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > an American defeat. I have never seen such widespread naked treason, > such absolute evil, in all my 42 years. By Kevin Tillman:
It is Pat's birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice... until we got out.
Much has happened since we handed over our voice:
Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can't be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.
Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few "bad apples" in the military.
Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five- year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It's interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.
Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.
Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.
Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.
Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.
Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.
Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.
Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.
Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.
Somehow torture is tolerated.
Somehow lying is tolerated.
Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.
Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.
Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.
Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.
Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.
Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.
Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.
Somehow this is tolerated.
Somehow nobody is accountable for this.
In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don't be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that "somehow" was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.
Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat's birthday.
Lee Bell - 03 Feb 2007 05:45 GMT > Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is > tolerated. It's OK to subvert the second amendment, but not others?
Lee
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 03 Feb 2007 06:16 GMT > > Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is > > tolerated.
> It's OK to subvert the second amendment, but not others? He'll never get away with it, all his efforts only illustrate what a thankless, spineless, hypocritical piece of sh.t he is.
It's OK for him to say and do anything;
His freedom was given to him by better men than he'll ever be, and that's what grinds his a.s into the punk he is.
A big, fat hairy tick in the asscrack of American society.
RecScubaPoster - 05 Feb 2007 03:23 GMT > > > Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is > > > tolerated. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > A big, fat hairy tick in the asscrack of American society. When can we expect you to land in Iraq Scotty Boy? This time you will actually have to put some skin on the line instead of simply getting some blue collar job training. <snicker>
You are all mouth, but no action. You are the lowest form of Pussy.
Atin washin - 05 Feb 2007 04:38 GMT What an a.shole...i have 2 brothers, 5 cousins, and my uncle are in the military...what are you talking about? how about you? you want real fight a.shole? huh....don't make me go there and kick you ugly a.s and make your nose short like mine. f.cker
my dad is a retire military, f.ckers...and what are you? working like a bitch in the house of senate? LOL
Scotty Boy - 05 Feb 2007 04:57 GMT Soon i will land in Irag, when i rich my 18 birhtday. about you when are you going to suck me? a.shole!
LOL
Atin washin - 05 Feb 2007 10:37 GMT yeah, when are you going to suck cocks in Irag, go there to be their bitch. They can use you as a whore..punk a.s motha vuccers...
LOL
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 03 Feb 2007 06:12 GMT > On Feb 2, 8:19 pm, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > By Kevin Tillman: <chop>
Got a cite?
I notice you dont address a single point, like the good little lawyer you are. Are you going to get in on the Monopoly game, shitbag?
Absolutely perfect coming from a spineless piece of sh.t like you. I dont even have words to convey my utter contempt for parasitic sh.t like you.
Pat volunteered to serve his nation, and to give liberal faggots like you the freedom from oppression and mass murder that the Islamic Fascists want to deliver. You used his death when it happened, but can never understand what would make a man with a brighter future, and more pride, than you will ever have, drop the money and serve his nation.
That you would use his death is no suprise, it isnt the first time.
All you have done is validate Pat Dollards words, and rise to the bait like the good little leftist a.shole you are.
Thanks for making my point again.
Greg Mossman - 03 Feb 2007 06:45 GMT On Feb 2, 10:12 pm, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > By Kevin Tillman: > > <chop> > > Got a cite? Kevin Tillman, Specialist, U.S. Army, dear brother of Pat Tillman, deceased.
> I notice you dont address a single point, like the good little lawyer > you are. Are you going to get in on the Monopoly game, shitbag? A single point of your blogger? Why should I address a right-wing blogger that you mindless copy here? What's your point?
> Absolutely perfect coming from a spineless piece of sh.t like you. I > dont even have words to convey my utter contempt for parasitic sh.t > like you. You never have words. That's why you mindlessly copy right-wing bloggers and such. If you had enough intelligence to form your own words, you might be able to form your own opinions too and that would f.ck up your entire mindset.
> Pat volunteered to serve his nation, and to give liberal faggots like > you the freedom from oppression and mass murder that the Islamic > Fascists want to deliver. You used his death when it happened, but can > never understand what would make a man with a brighter future, and > more pride, than you will ever have, drop the money and serve his > nation. "His mother Mary Tillman told The Washington Post, 'The fact that he was the ultimate team player and he watched his own men kill him is absolutely heartbreaking and tragic. The fact that they lied about it afterward is disgusting.'"
> That you would use his death is no suprise, it isnt the first time. It's Bush who used his death, as well as your buddy Ann:
"President Bush hailed him as "an inspiration on and off the football field, as with all who made the ultimate sacrifice in the war on terror." His killing was widely reported by the media, including conservative commentators such as Ann Coulter, who called him "an American original - virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be."
In reality, he joined up to fight in Afghanistan, the real war against terrorists. Instead he was sent to Iraq to do Cheney's dirty work.
"Interviews also show a side of Pat Tillman not widely known - a fiercely independent thinker who enlisted, fought and died in service to his country yet was critical of President Bush and opposed the war in Iraq, where he served a tour of duty."
"Mary Tillman said a friend of Pat's even arranged a private meeting with Chomsky, the antiwar author, to take place after his return from Afghanistan - a meeting prevented by his death. She said that although he supported the Afghan war, believing it justified by the Sept. 11 attacks, "Pat was very critical of the whole Iraq war."
"Baer, who served with Tillman for more than a year in Iraq and Afghanistan, told one anecdote that took place during the March 2003 invasion as the Rangers moved up through southern Iraq.
"I can see it like a movie screen," Baer said. "We were outside of (a city in southern Iraq) watching as bombs were dropping on the town. We were at an old air base, me, Kevin and Pat, we weren't in the fight right then. We were talking. And Pat said, 'You know, this war is so f - illegal.' And we all said, 'Yeah.' That's who he was. He totally was against Bush."
"Another soldier in the platoon, who asked not to be identified, said Pat urged him to vote for Bush's Democratic opponent in the 2004 election, Sen. John Kerry"
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/09/25/MNGD7ETMNM1.DTL
> All you have done is validate Pat Dollards words, and rise to the bait > like the good little leftist a.shole you are. I'll repeat the last part for you:
"Another soldier in the platoon, who asked not to be identified, said Pat urged him to vote for Bush's Democratic opponent in the 2004 election, Sen. John Kerry"
> Thanks for making my point again. Again, you have no point. No point at all.
bob crownfield - 04 Feb 2007 02:08 GMT >> The unfortunate truth is that most of the leaders of Al Queda and the other >> terrorist organizations grew up quite well off, many attending colleges. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Are you suggesting that far-right conservative moonbats backwards!
moonbats, especially barking moonbats, are far left liberal.
Crack Mossga - 04 Feb 2007 08:30 GMT life has been so good i can't complain.
bye bye...all the Grack Mossfag...fun
you all your long nose, i think your ugly like a monster.. i hate molester
come out from your fucken closet... lol
Matthias Voss - 02 Feb 2007 22:28 GMT >>Scott, >>I saw something on this a few months ago. Some serious money here. Take a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The first question that comes to my mind is how they are going to secure > this from the Islamic Fascists, who will surely target such an area. From a distance...
Greets, Matthias
Matthias Voss - 01 Feb 2007 14:27 GMT > Dubai on the west coast- all wrecks and sandy bottom. Some exciting wrecks > with a lot of history attached like MV Dara. Did you visit the last years Dubai Boat show?
Did you hear about the accident a week or so before that when a boat catering rebreather divers caught fire?
Matthias
Joe English - 01 Feb 2007 01:29 GMT > Thank you. You have been most kind. But I intend to stay and contribute. > By the way I am a long time reader of the group- not exactly new- but [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >>http://grumman581.googlepages.com/welcome-rec-scuba stay as long as you like - join in the fun :-)
Grumman-581 - 01 Feb 2007 12:36 GMT > Thank you. You have been most kind. You're welcome... It's always a pleasure to introduce a new member into the fineries of rec.scuba etiquite...
So, what's your story? How did you end up in the land of sand fleas and camel humpers?
Joe English - 01 Feb 2007 01:27 GMT > Excuse me but I thought this was a Scuba newsgroup. Maybe I was wrong > >>OKAY LISTEN, I WANT MOSSMAN TO SAY HE'S SORRY TO ISLANDER. >> >>LOL....FEI NOM means vuc u you are and a top poster at that
how long ya been postin' here?
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