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Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick - 26 Jan 2007 14:35 GMT I like how they can't kill the -baby- seals, just those that are 13 days or older.
Practically off to college, eh?
EU rejects appeal for ban on Canadian seal products Last Updated: Friday, January 26, 2007 | 8:20 AM ET The Associated Press
The European Union's executive commission rejected appeals Friday for an EU-wide ban on the import of seal fur products to force the closure of Canada's annual seal hunt.
The EU head office in Brussels said a 1983 EU law that imposes limited bans on the import of fur taken from young seal pups "provides adequate response" to concerns presented by the European Parliament.
The EU assembly voted last year, demanding the European Commission introduce a ban on seal products to protest what EU lawmakers called cruel and inhumane hunting tactics used to kill seal pups for their skins, notably in Canada.
In an official response sent to the legislators, the commission said reports it had seen on inhumane hunting methods were "partly contradictory."
However, it said the EU would take "all necessary steps to ascertain the use of humane hunting standards for seals, and if deemed appropriate, propose … to take action," in wake of "the high level of public concerns" over the issue.
Also seeking cat, dog fur ban
The commission said the population of seals in Canada's Arctic and Atlantic regions "has grown significantly" in the last three decades, from just under two million to around six million harp seals alone, adding the seals were not listed as endangered species.
Legislators said, however, that the inaction by the EU was hypocritical as it seeks to impose a separate ban on all imports of dog and cat fur into the 27-nation bloc.
"Commercial seal hunting is a brutal and cruel practice, targeting seal pups only a few weeks old," said Carl Schlyter, a Swedish Green party member of the EU parliament, who visited the annual seal hunt off Canada's eastern coast last year.
He said Europe remains the largest market for seal fur, "so introducing an EU ban on seal products would be a crucial step toward ending this barbaric cull."
However, Canada says the biggest market for its seal products remains Norway, which is not an EU member.
Schlyter said current rules were insufficient in preventing the import of fur from seal pups.
Current EU rules impose a ban on seal products derived from newborn harp seals less than 12 days old and young hooded seals less than one year old.
Environmental and animal rights groups argue the rules allow hunters to go after the pups once they reach an age just over the ban limit.
Move angers Canada
The European Parliament's appeal and moves by several EU nations like Belgium to introduce national bans caused widespread anger in Canada.
Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn told Belgian politicians last year to think about Canadian soldiers who died in Europe during the first World War before slamming the door on Canadian seal products.
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Belgian legislators however, voted unanimously on Thursday to back a national ban on the import of all seal products into the country, becoming the first EU country to do so.
Germany, Italy and the Netherlands are also working on similar bans.
Canadian officials have defended the hunt saying it is vital to the survival of aboriginal peoples in the Arctic and provided an economic lifeline for a region desperate for jobs and growth.
The seal hunt also employs around 6,000 Atlantic Canadians per year.
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Carl Nisarel - 26 Jan 2007 14:18 GMT "What kind of a scumbag would be soooooooo obsessed that he would start (another) thread about a guy?" - "Douglas W \"Popeye\" Frederick"
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SeanMartinFarrell@gmail.com - 26 Jan 2007 15:16 GMT On Jan 26, 11:35 am, "Douglas W \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> I like how they can't kill the -baby- seals, just those that are 13 days > or older. > > Practically off to college, eh? Well the mother leaves them for long periods after just 2 days and at 12 days they get abandoned by the mother. So if they're old enough to fend for themselves I guess they're old enough to be shot and turned into a coat.... hopefully there will always be a market for the pelts as long as the workers need the income. It isn't very sporting.... but neither is a chicken farm and not many meat eaters have a problem with that. At least sealers are harvesting them from the wild and put their safety on the line out on the ice.
Although it does take up to five years for them to be able to breed so in that regard not so much like college....poor bastards dying as virgins.
> EU rejects appeal for ban on Canadian seal products > Last Updated: Friday, January 26, 2007 | 8:20 AM ET [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > and sometimes hates the man who can. -Cooper > www.finalprotectivefire.com Scott - 26 Jan 2007 17:02 GMT > Well the mother leaves them for long periods after just 2 days and at > 12 days they get abandoned by the mother. So if they're old enough to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that. At least sealers are harvesting them from the wild and put their > safety on the line out on the ice. Yeah, we hear a lot about the seal clubbers mortality rate.
What a crock of sh.t.
Clubbing the seals doesnt provide food, only fur to feed vanities.
Greg Mossman - 26 Jan 2007 17:29 GMT > <SeanMartinFarr...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1169824589.655073.90710@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > that. At least sealers are harvesting them from the wild and put their > > safety on the line out on the ice.
> Yeah, we hear a lot about the seal clubbers mortality rate. > > What a crock of sh.t. > > Clubbing the seals doesnt provide food, only fur to feed vanities. Today synthetic and plant-based fabrics are as good as or superior to animal skins and furs. The continued use of animal products in this market is simply barbaric. When they can make tofu that really does taste as good as actual chicken or beef, I'll be glad to make the switch.
(I will admit to owning some leather shoes and leather seat covers, but you gotta do something with the hamburger leftovers)
SeanMartinFarrell@gmail.com - 26 Jan 2007 19:06 GMT > > <SeanMartinFarr...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1169824589.655073.90710@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > taste as good as actual chicken or beef, I'll be glad to make the > switch. Not true, seal is warmer than many synthetics for the same price and can be more ecologically friendly. There are times when fur is better. You're saying barbarism is fine so you get the taste you want but not to get the look you want? I too would switch if there was a way to grow a brainless cow or chicken breast without the rest of the chicken. I don't like seal meat, but some people do. And as long as there is a market I can't understand why sealers should be denied a source of income.
I personally don't think sealing is more barbaric then beef production or chicken production. I think it's actually more environmentally friendly and has less cruelty. Sealers who don't follow the regs and make sure they kill cleanly should be severely fined but the ones doing it properly should be allowed to continue freely. It would be cruelty to deny them income for no good reason.
> (I will admit to owning some leather shoes and leather seat covers, but > you gotta do something with the hamburger leftovers) If your leather was from beef cows which is not a given.
SeanMartinFarrell@gmail.com - 26 Jan 2007 18:33 GMT > <SeanMartinFarr...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1169824589.655073.90710@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > that. At least sealers are harvesting them from the wild and put their > > safety on the line out on the ice. Yeah, we hear a lot about thesealclubbers mortality rate.
Read Death on the Ice for a better appreciation of the hardship of sealers. Anyone who works on the North Atlantic is risking their safety.
> What a crock of sh.t. > > Clubbing the seals doesnt provide food, only fur to feed vanities. Seal oil is used as filler in alot of products since it doesn't have the odor of fish oils and has tons of omega-3.
Also Korea and Europe use seal meat for human consumption and for animal feed.
And fur is not only for vanity, it is also cheaper and warmer (being hollow) then synthetics for some countries such as Russia. Not to mention that synthetics come from petrolleum and have high environmental impacts. Tanning technology has progressed quite a bit so seal hunting is competetive in a strictly environmental sense with synthetic production. Isn't harvesting an organic source better than dirty old oil? Sealing is Green!
And lastly, when hasn't vanity been a valid reason to spend resources? Do you wear burlap sacks?
Scott - 26 Jan 2007 19:21 GMT > Seal oil is used as filler in alot of products since it doesn't have > the odor of fish oils and has tons of omega-3. > > Also Korea and Europe use seal meat for human consumption and for > animal feed. <mmbullshitcough>
The official Canadian site;
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/myth_e.htm
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"The commercial seal hunt is wasteful-seals are taken for their fur, and their carcasses are almost always left to rot on the ice. The Canadian government deliberately tries to blur the lines between the commercial seal hunt, which is conducted by non-native people off Canada's east coast, and subsistence hunting by Inuit people in Canada's arctic region. But animal protection groups, including The HSUS, are not opposed to Inuit subsistence hunting. Canada's commercial seal hunt is an industrial-scale slaughter conducted by fishermen from Canada's east coast. The seals are killed for their skins, which are sold in overseas fashion markets. The carcasses are almost always left to rot on the ice because there are virtually no markets for the meat.
Each year, video footage of the hunt shows stockpiles of carcasses left across the ice floes and sealers dumping carcasses over the sides of their boats. DFO inspectors have acknowledged the large number of carcasses left to rot on the ice in internal documents.
**** Moreover, despite claims to the contrary by the Government of Canada, Canadian international trade data clearly shows that Canada has not exported even one dollar's worth of seal meat at any point in the last 5 years. ****
Claims that seal oil markets have grown substantially in recent years are also untrue. Seal oil is a byproduct of the skin trade (blubber is attached to the skins when they are removed from the seals). Canadian international trade data shows that Canadian exports of marine mammal oil in 2004 were valued at just about half of what they were in 2000 It is impossible to characterize this as "substantial growth." Make no mistake, sealers kill seals for their skins-there is no trade in seal meat and trade in seal oil is brings in very little additional income."
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> And fur is not only for vanity, it is also cheaper and warmer (being > hollow) then synthetics for some countries such as Russia. Not to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > synthetic production. Isn't harvesting an organic source better than > dirty old oil? Sealing is Green! Actually, it is quite brutal and really just hideous.
> And lastly, when hasn't vanity been a valid reason to spend resources? Nice way to veneer the brutal slaughter of baby seals.
> Do you wear burlap sacks? Clothing made from cotton and synthetics mostly, and dead cow parts.
I have never worn an animal fur in my life, and never will.
Grumman-581 - 26 Jan 2007 20:29 GMT > I have never worn an animal fur in my life, and never will. Awh, come on Scott... If the baby seals weren't so cute and innocent looking, no one would really be complaining... Hell, if they looked like 'possums, armadillos, or any of the animals in the following links, I suspect few would complain:
http://lh3.google.com/_LbccUVbSRd8/RbVQoYHc3EI/AAAAAAAAAN4/TZHoEIFus_c/s1600/ski nny%2Bpig1_ChrissieDollar.JPG http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/761/1659/1600/uglydog_ueba_funny_27.jpg http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/761/1659/1600/NakedFatCat.0.jpg http://www.strangezoo.com/images/content/106255.jpg
Scott - 26 Jan 2007 21:20 GMT > > I have never worn an animal fur in my life, and never will. > > Awh, come on Scott... If the baby seals weren't so cute and innocent > looking, no one would really be complaining... Hell, if they looked like > 'possums, armadillos, or any of the animals in the following links, I > suspect few would complain: http://lh3.google.com/_LbccUVbSRd8/RbVQoYHc3EI/AAAAAAAAAN4/TZHoEIFus_c/s1600/ski nny%2Bpig1_ChrissieDollar.JPG
> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/761/1659/1600/uglydog_ueba_funny_27.jpg > http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/761/1659/1600/NakedFatCat.0.jpg > http://www.strangezoo.com/images/content/106255.jpg You may be right.
So now explain why Canadians feel the need to tell Americans what to do with our guns.
Will Rogers once said "If God didn't have a sense of humor he wouldn't have made monkeys and some people."
No one is slaughtering, in a particularly brutal and senseless manner, any of those critters just for their fur.
Greg Mossman - 26 Jan 2007 21:53 GMT > No one is slaughtering, in a particularly brutal and senseless manner, any > of those critters just for their fur. Ken Coleman of Shelton does with prairie dogs, and he does it for good fun, not for fur or meat.
http://69.73.140.230/~jeaglevi/images/stories/PD_2005/wyoming_2005.pdf
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 30 Jan 2007 23:42 GMT > > No one is slaughtering, in a particularly brutal and senseless manner, any > > of those critters just for their fur. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://69.73.140.230/~jeaglevi/images/stories/PD_2005/wyoming_2005.pdf Since you are such a smart guy, and a lawyer, why dont you look into seasons, bag limits, and why.
Maybe talk to a biologist or two.
Your *only* bitch is that they use guns.
Greg Mossman - 31 Jan 2007 00:49 GMT On Jan 30, 3:42 pm, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > No one is slaughtering, in a particularly brutal and senseless manner, any > > > of those critters just for their fur. > > > Ken Coleman of Shelton does with prairie dogs, and he does it for good > > fun, not for fur or meat.
> Since you are such a smart guy, and a lawyer, why dont you look into > seasons, bag limits, and why. > > Maybe talk to a biologist or two. > Your *only* bitch is that they use guns. No, my main bitch is that they do it solely for fun.
I can understand the farmers killing rodents if they undermine the fields or eat the crops. I can understand hunters who eat the meat they kill. I can understand sharpshooters licensed by the state to kill starving or dangerous animals. But traveling at their own expense just to shoot live animals for the sheer thrill of killing living beings and watching their blood splatter is just plain sick. That this guy is supposedly a veterinarian, someone who treats sick and wounded animals, makes it surreal.
Am I right, is this your same "Doc Coleman", the guy who shot the kid?
Grumman-581 - 31 Jan 2007 03:38 GMT > No, my main bitch is that they do it solely for fun. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That this guy is supposedly a veterinarian, someone who treats sick > and wounded animals, makes it surreal. So, if someone shoots rats and mice for fun, are they still sick in your point of view? Come on Greg, so you practice "catch and release" with any pests that are found around your house? Sounds a bit sanctimonious, kind of like the type of vegetarians who say they don't eat meat, but don't have problem eating eggs... "Yeah, it's ok to eat the unborn embryo of an animal, but not the actual animal"...
Scott - 31 Jan 2007 04:47 GMT > So, if someone shoots rats and mice for fun, are they still sick in > your point of view? Come on Greg, so you practice "catch and release" > with any pests that are found around your house? Sounds a bit > sanctimonious, kind of like the type of vegetarians who say they don't > eat meat, but don't have problem eating eggs... "Yeah, it's ok to eat > the unborn embryo of an animal, but not the actual animal"... He doesnt do sh.t about anything.
He hires illegal aliens to do his dirty work.
And, reading what you quoted he said, he didnt bother to educate himself on the issue (and I wont waste the time).
As to seasons, bag limits, let alone talk to a biologist.
Just more of him projecting his LA bullshit and bigotry.
Greg Mossman - 31 Jan 2007 05:34 GMT > > So, if someone shoots rats and mice for fun, are they still sick in > > your point of view? Come on Greg, so you practice "catch and release" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > He doesnt do sh.t about anything. More of your libel as usual.
> He hires illegal aliens to do his dirty work. More of your libel as usual.
> And, reading what you quoted he said, he didnt bother to educate himself on > the issue (and I wont waste the time). More of your libel as usual. Of course I read the article. A couple guys went to Wyoming to blast away at poor prairie dogs for the sheer fun of it. One of the guys was your dear Doc Coleman, brave defender of party drugs against teenagers, fearless killer of one of said teenagers.
> As to seasons, bag limits, let alone talk to a biologist. What's the bag limit on party-drug stealing kids?
> Just more of him projecting his LA bullshit and bigotry. Yeah, I admit, we in L.A. don't like to go around blasting prairie dogs to death for the sheer thrill of it. I guess that makes us pussies.
Joe English - 31 Jan 2007 12:59 GMT >>>So, if someone shoots rats and mice for fun, are they still sick in >>>your point of view? Come on Greg, so you practice "catch and release" [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > What's the bag limit on party-drug stealing kids? ZERO - evidentlly the the perp thought it was worth the death penalty, bad choice. Drugs are probably one of the leading cause of ctime - one single person did a lot to stop many more crimes
Greg Mossman - 31 Jan 2007 05:30 GMT On Jan 30, 7:38 pm, Grumman-581 <grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM- gmail.com> wrote:
> > No, my main bitch is that they do it solely for fun. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > So, if someone shoots rats and mice for fun, are they still sick in > your point of view? Definitely. Anyone that kills living beings solely for the pleasure of killing is sick.
> Come on Greg, so you practice "catch and release" > with any pests that are found around your house? Sounds a bit > sanctimonious, kind of like the type of vegetarians who say they don't > eat meat, but don't have problem eating eggs... "Yeah, it's ok to eat > the unborn embryo of an animal, but not the actual animal"... However I deal with the pests at my house, it's my house. I don't go over to the neighbors' houses to squash their spiders just because I love squashing spiders. I don't go over the neighbors' houses to trap and kill their rats just because I love trapping and killing rats.
Likewise, if my next-door neighbor owned a cow, I wouldn't offer to slaughter it for him because I like killing cows. As I said, I can understand farmers killing prairie dogs on their own property if that's what needs to be done, and I can understand professional prairie dog killers killing prairie dogs for hire if that's what needs to be done. But people traveling to prairie dog country merely for the pleasure of blasting away at prairie dogs is definitely psychopathic.
Grumman-581 - 26 Jan 2007 21:57 GMT > No one is slaughtering, in a particularly brutal and senseless manner, > any of those critters just for their fur. That's because they're *ugly* and no one *wants* their hide...
Carl Nisarel - 26 Jan 2007 22:48 GMT rec.scuba's resident pussy "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com>, whined:
> So now explain why Canadians feel the need to tell Americans > what to do with our guns. Canadians don't feel the need.
As long as you stay in the USA.
When you come to Canada, Canadians get to decide.
Ask Mikey and Douggy.
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SeanMartinFarrell@gmail.com - 29 Jan 2007 13:20 GMT > > > I have never worn an animal fur in my life, and never will. > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > So now explain why Canadians feel the need to tell Americans what to do with > our guns. Because you discuss them in a global news group open to the public 8-) We're all global citizens see and can all comment on global events and issues donchaknow I think you're totally in your rights to criticize what is primarily a Canadian instustry.. I just think you're wrong. And for the record I'm one Canadian who thinks you should have the freedom to arm yourselves if you're willing to accept the responsibility. Every dollar spent on the gun registry was a waste and is one of the reasons I voted against the Liberals last go around.
> Will Rogers once said "If God didn't have a sense of humor he wouldn't have > made monkeys and some people." > > No one is slaughtering, in a particularly brutal and senseless manner, any > of those critters just for their fur. Because they can't make money on it!
Carl Nisarel - 26 Jan 2007 22:41 GMT rec.scuba's resident pussy "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com>, whined:
> http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/protect_seals/the_truth.html Scotty's pointing to an animal rights group.
I'm sure they'd love to hear about your RKBA beliefs
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SeanMartinFarrell@gmail.com - 29 Jan 2007 13:11 GMT > <SeanMartinFarr...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1169836422.434092.195760@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > **************************http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/protect_seals/the_truth.html If this was a gun thread and I quoted an NGO which had a stated goal of restricting gun ownership you'd dismiss it (rightly) out of hand. There is definitely alot of waste in the seal industry but that is partially because of antisealing efforts and there are many possible uses for the carcasses. Until those markets catch up harvesting the seals for fur is still a valid reason.
> "The commercial seal hunt is wasteful-seals are taken for their fur, and > their carcasses are almost always left to rot on the ice. The Canadian [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > almost always left to rot on the ice because there are virtually no markets > for the meat. I never linked the bulk of the industry to subsistence, it's done for the income, plain and simple.
> Each year, video footage of the hunt shows stockpiles of carcasses left > across the ice floes and sealers dumping carcasses over the sides of their > boats. DFO inspectors have acknowledged the large number of carcasses left > to rot on the ice in internal documents. Each year 20 year old video is show too.
> **** > Moreover, despite claims to the contrary by the Government of Canada, > Canadian international trade data clearly shows that Canada has not exported > even one dollar's worth of seal meat at any point in the last 5 years. > **** Says who? An NGO against the seal hunt. Heavens!
> Claims that seal oil markets have grown substantially in recent years are > also untrue. Seal oil is a byproduct of the skin trade (blubber is attached [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ************************** Says who? An NGO against the seal hunt. Heavens! and again killing seals for the pelt is a valid reason for harvest.
> > And fur is not only for vanity, it is also cheaper and warmer (being > > hollow) then synthetics for some countries such as Russia. Not to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > synthetic production. Isn't harvesting an organic source better than > > dirty old oil? Sealing is Green!
>Actually, it is quite brutal and really just hideous. Brutal yes, hideous yes, what other animal slaughter isn't?
> > And lastly, when hasn't vanity been a valid reason to spend resources?Nice way to veneer the brutal slaughter of baby seals. > > > Do you wear burlap sacks?Clothing made from cotton and synthetics mostly, and dead cow parts. > > I have never worn an animal fur in my life, and never will. Fields for cotton displaces animals and I'm pretty sure the oil industry (for your synthetics) have killed a furry creature every now and then... including seals (real babies and otherwise). Every action a living creature takes harms another living creature. That's life.
Scott - 29 Jan 2007 21:31 GMT > If this was a gun thread and I quoted an NGO which had a stated goal > of restricting gun ownership you'd dismiss it (rightly) out of hand. Since when is your government or ours any more or less truthful or accurate than a non-governmental organization?
Fairy tale.
> There is definitely alot of waste in the seal industry but that is > partially because of antisealing efforts and there are many possible > uses for the carcasses. Until those markets catch up harvesting the > seals for fur is still a valid reason. In your eyes, and those of the seal clubbers.
> I never linked the bulk of the industry to subsistence, it's done for > the income, plain and simple. So is dope smuggling. Doesnt make it right.
> Brutal yes, hideous yes, what other animal slaughter isn't? Plenty. All it takes is for the animal to be instantly killed, which your seals are not.
SeanMartinFarrell@gmail.com - 30 Jan 2007 17:08 GMT > <SeanMartinFarr...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1170076302.770732.286030@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fairy tale. Ok true enough. It's bullshit from both sides 8-) still doesn't change the fact that sealing is a viable industry.
> > There is definitely alot of waste in the seal industry but that is > > partially because of antisealing efforts and there are many possible [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > the income, plain and simple. > So is dope smuggling. Doesnt make it right. So is working at Burger King, doesn't make it wrong. Dope smuggling hurts people and breaks the law. Sealing does neither.
> > Brutal yes, hideous yes, what other animal slaughter isn't? >Plenty. All it takes is for the animal to be instantly killed, which your > seals are not. I agree that people violating the rules and not killing the animals should be fined and not allowed to hunt. The seal hunt can and should be nearly as humane as factory farming (which also has alot of non instead kills) but without the cruelty of raising the livestock in horrible conditions.
Greg Mossman - 26 Jan 2007 20:36 GMT On Jan 26, 10:33 am, SeanMartinFarr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Also Korea and Europe use seal meat for human consumption and for > animal feed. They eat dogs in South Korea too. How would the average Canadian feel if I bought a cute Pomeranian at a pet store, then clubbed it to death on the sidewalk and grilled it on my hibachi?
The South Koreans like to boil the dogs alive because they believe the adrenalin improves their virility. I bet they think the same thing about baby seal meat clubbed to death within days of leaving its mother. Thank you for providing such a fitting example.
Thank heavens they keep you brutes away from the manatees when you visit Florida. Y'all probably couldn't resist ramming rental boats into them and slashing them with the outboards. Whoopie!
SeanMartinFarrell@gmail.com - 29 Jan 2007 12:34 GMT > On Jan 26, 10:33 am, SeanMartinFarr...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > about baby seal meat clubbed to death within days of leaving its > mother. Thank you for providing such a fitting example. I don't think you'd get much meat from a Pom.... and the sidewalk probably isn't appropriate for any animal slaughter. And the Korean's eat seal penis for virility, young seal is just good eating.... I'm pretty sure they don't reanimate the dead seals and boil them alive so I don't really see where you're going with this... Who cares why they want it if they'll pay and it doesn't put the seal population in danger?
> Thank heavens they keep you brutes away from the manatees when you > visit Florida. Y'all probably couldn't resist ramming rental boats > into them and slashing them with the outboards. Whoopie! Why would we do that? Some people take part in the seal trade to supplement their income, renting a boat and ramming it into an endangered animal would cost money. Please try and stay rational here.
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