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Scuba Forum / General / January 2007Newer Aladin computers/problems
Happy new year to all, I have just returned from three weeks diving in the Indian Ocean :0))! Smug pause! One of the dive shops I frequent had recently replaced all it's old Aladin (square grey) dive computers with the newer circular (prime, one etc.) type and had nothing but problems. They were going to return them all for refund. The type of problems were: short battery life, sudden unexpected battery failure, water ingress to battery compartment, difficulty of changing the battery without tools to pry the cover off (difficult on the boat) for emergency battery change. In maybe 20 dives I saw 2 failures myself! It looks like Aladin (now Scubapro/Johnson of course) have just "badged" a rather shoddy range of computers, as they didn't have the solid look & feel one expected from "Aladin" products. They, the dive shop, were looking around for another make, possibly Cochran. I speak as an exclusive Aladin user for 11 years. Naturally YMMV. But worth thinking about if you are dithering. Pip pip  SignatureChris Notton Replace "nospam" with my surname to reply by email Sostituisca il "nospam" con il mio cognome per rispondere }<////(*> > In maybe 20 dives I saw 2 failures myself! It looks like Aladin (now > Scubapro/Johnson of course) have just "badged" a rather shoddy range of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > They, the dive shop, were looking around for another make, possibly > Cochran. Great. They're moving from bad to worse. Do some searches on the words Cochran and Law Suit and see what you turn up. Lee > > In maybe 20 dives I saw 2 failures myself! It looks like Aladin (now > > Scubapro/Johnson of course) have just "badged" a rather shoddy range of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Lee Sure will! Is nothing bulletproof these days? Pip pip SignatureChris Notton Replace "nospam" with my surname to reply by email Sostituisca il "nospam" con il mio cognome per rispondere }<////(*> > > Great. They're moving from bad to worse. Do some searches on the words > Cochran and Law Suit and see what you turn up. Ancient history, presumably. Cochran has improved things in the past many years regarding customer service, and their computers still are some of the most feature-laden and liberal computers on the market, with easy-to-replace batteries. The downside is that they're big, especially the pressure transducer which is a brick attached to the HP port by a cord, and not the easiest to program. The manual is written in jibberish. Apparently, from a recent rather vociferous poster, it's the deadly Suuntos we have to watch out for. I love my Suunto. >> > Great. They're moving from bad to worse. Do some searches on the >> > words >> Cochran and Law Suit and see what you turn up. > > Ancient history, presumably. Perhaps, but how many times does one person have to lie to how many people before he is no longer to be trusted? > Apparently, from a recent rather vociferous poster, it's the deadly > Suuntos we have to watch out for. I love my Suunto. Those that have one that works usually do. I presume yours is one of the more recent models that calculates MOD correctly. Lee > > Ancient history, presumably.Perhaps, but how many times does one person have to lie to how many people > before he is no longer to be trusted? That's a good question. Bush still has about 30% or so of the population that trusts and loves him and he tells at least one lie a day to about 300,000,000 people. Certainly Cochran deserves at least a 30% approval rate. > > Apparently, from a recent rather vociferous poster, it's the deadly > > Suuntos we have to watch out for. I love my Suunto.Those that have one that works usually do. > I presume yours is one of the > more recent models that calculates MOD correctly. I have no idea. I don't use my computer to calculate MOD. I always use the table that always happens to be somewhere near the logbook that I have to sign, or lacking that, I suppose I could always do the math in my head. Call me old-fashioned. >> > Ancient history, presumably.Perhaps, but how many times does one person >> > have to lie to how many people >> before he is no longer to be trusted? > That's a good question. Bush still has about 30% or so of the > population that trusts and loves him and he tells at least one lie a > day to about 300,000,000 people. Certainly Cochran deserves at least a > 30% approval rate. OK. Since you bought a computer from someone who lied about it, should I assume you support Bush too? > I have no idea. I don't use my computer to calculate MOD. I always > use the table that always happens to be somewhere near the logbook that > I have to sign, or lacking that, I suppose I could always do the math > in my head. Call me old-fashioned. I do the same. The problem is not, however, that you don't know what the mod is, but that the computer doesn't. It calculates everything, including MOD, based on a PPO2 higher than the actual one. In other words, it lies to you. Lee > Since you bought a computer from someone who lied about it, should I > assume you support Bush too? I still support my local dive shop owner and he's lied to me plenty. I support Bill Clinton. I could never support Bush even if I believed his lies. > I do the same. The problem is not, however, that you don't know what the > mod is, but that the computer doesn't. It calculates everything, including > MOD, based on a PPO2 higher than the actual one. In other words, it lies to > you. If the computer were calculating my nitrogen off-gassing based on a ppO2 higher than the actual one, I'd be really concerned. Still, I often set my fO2 a percentage point or two lower than reality, especially when I'm on a liveaboard where the actual mix may vary each time and I don't want to keep re-setting my computer, so the whole issue is moot. > I could never support Bush even if I believed his lies. I wouldn't have either had Kerry not been running against him. > If the computer were calculating my nitrogen off-gassing based on a > ppO2 higher than the actual one, I'd be really concerned. Still, I > often set my fO2 a percentage point or two lower than reality, > especially when I'm on a liveaboard where the actual mix may vary each > time and I don't want to keep re-setting my computer, so the whole > issue is moot. You make it so. You shouldn't have to. Lee >>>Great. They're moving from bad to worse. Do some searches on the words >> >>Cochran and Law Suit and see what you turn up. > Ancient history, presumably. Cochran has improved things in the past > many years regarding customer service, and their computers still are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Apparently, from a recent rather vociferous poster, it's the deadly > Suuntos we have to watch out for. I love my Suunto. I have had my Commander Nitrox for 5 years now without any problem at all. It has been dropped, scraped up from trying to get lobsters while the thing was on my wrist, dove deep dives, etc.. I like the way it is liberal in diving or I can make it as conservative as I can. Everyone that I know that has this one has never had any problems. The ones that did have problems were the Nemesis computers (hoseless). I know people with the newer Gemini's and are happy. I haven't seen anything new about Cochran problems, so maybe they have solved them. > The ones that did have problems were the Nemesis computers (hoseless). I > know people with the newer Gemini's and are happy. > > I haven't seen anything new about Cochran problems, so maybe they have > solved them. My Nemesis IIa crapped out twice. The second time, it took several months before I got it back as Cochran had mistakenly shipped it to Micronesia. I've heard that the Nemesis II was even worse. But, like you, I've not heard of any problems with the Geminis and they've been out now for four or five years. I got one at a discount a few years ago when I was DMing for the local shop. It's Janna's primary computer today and she's put at least 150 dives on it since without a hitch. My only concern is that it's so liberal that it makes me wonder if it's really safe, since I have yet to see her go into deco mode when it's set on air while my Suunto, set for nitrox, is screaming at me to do short mandatory stops. So far she hasn't died yet, so that's a good sign for Cochran. When/if she does, Cochran will certainly hear from my lawyer! > > The ones that did have problems were the Nemesis computers (hoseless). I > > know people with the newer Gemini's and are happy. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > months before I got it back as Cochran had mistakenly shipped it to > Micronesia. I've heard that the Nemesis II was even worse. Do you mean the Nemesis II was shipped even further away than Micronesia? (snip) > > My Nemesis IIa crapped out twice. The second time, it took several > > months before I got it back as Cochran had mistakenly shipped it to > > Micronesia. I've heard that the Nemesis II was even worse. > Do you mean the Nemesis II was shipped even further away than Micronesia? Uh, yeah. I heard one somehow ended up on the Space Shuttle. > > > My Nemesis IIa crapped out twice. The second time, it took several > > > months before I got it back as Cochran had mistakenly shipped it to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Uh, yeah. I heard one somehow ended up on the Space Shuttle. Well, at least that one wasn't yours. >>The ones that did have problems were the Nemesis computers (hoseless). I >>know people with the newer Gemini's and are happy. >> >>I haven't seen anything new about Cochran problems, so maybe they have >>solved them. > My Nemesis IIa crapped out twice. The second time, it took several > months before I got it back as Cochran had mistakenly shipped it to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > that's a good sign for Cochran. When/if she does, Cochran will > certainly hear from my lawyer! I am sure they will hear from your lawyer!!! But, with the Commander Nitrox, you can set the conservatism from "0" to 50%. I am sure that you can do the same with the Gemini. > > In maybe 20 dives I saw 2 failures myself! It looks like Aladin (now > > Scubapro/Johnson of course) have just "badged" a rather shoddy range of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Lee All manufacturers have had problems. Cochran now produces a solid computer (and have for some time now). Here's what the Google search turns up... scubapro "lawsuit" "dive computer" 222 hits aladin "lawsuit" "dive computer" 250 hits uwatec "lawsuit" "dive computer" 227 hits mares "lawsuit" "dive computer" 743 hits suunto "lawsuit" "dive computer" 1,130 hits cochran "lawsuit" "dive computer" 216 hits > All manufacturers have had problems. > Cochran now produces a solid computer (and have for some time now). Not all computer manufacturers try to hide their defect or fire their employees who chose to disclose the problem rather than put their customer's lives at risk. Cochran always made a solid computer . . . if you listen to the man who profited from them. Lee > Not all computer manufacturers try to hide their defect or fire their > employees who chose to disclose the problem rather than put their customer's > lives at risk. Most companies fire employees who chose to disclose company secrets, including the U.S. Government. Otherwise we wouldn't need whistleblower laws on the books. Should we boycott the U.S. Government too? Maybe I won't file my taxes this year . . . >> Not all computer manufacturers try to hide their defect or fire their >> employees who chose to disclose the problem rather than put their >> customer's >> lives at risk. > Most companies fire employees who chose to disclose company secrets, > including the U.S. Government. Otherwise we wouldn't need > whistleblower laws on the books. Most companies, including the US Government, don't fire employees because we have whistleblower laws on the books. There's a difference between the normal "company secret" and a defect hidden from the people whose lives are endangered by it. In this case, it was more than just the risk involved. People were actually hurt. > Should we boycott the U.S. Government too? Maybe I won't file my taxes > this year . . . Good idea. That'll be one less vote for Hillary. Lee >Happy new year to all, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Pip pip I purchased my Aladin Prime this past summer and have never had a problem with it including any battery problems. In fact, the battery is still at full strength. I have about 30 dives on it. I've had my Nitek 3 for 3 years and about 400 dives and not a hiccup. > >Happy new year to all, > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > problem with it including any battery problems. In fact, the battery > is still at full strength. I have about 30 dives on it. I'm using my Aladin prime for two years now and did about 120 dives with it. It still runs on his first battery. No problem. I liked my old Aladin pro better though. The Aladin prime is not really a great "bad viz" computer. I'm living in holland and most of the times I need a torch during the dives. The light from the torch reflects on the plastic protecting cap of the Aladin prime. When I remove the protecting cap I'm sure I will bang the display to peaces on the first dive :-( Anyway....my opinion: good computer but only for water with good viz. /Ron >Happy new year to all, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Pip pip |
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