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Kari - 01 Dec 2006 21:50 GMT
Well, hello.

Have any of you ever been diving in Lake Michigan?  I will be in
Chicago a few times over the next year, and am considering checking it
out.  I'd like to hear any good wreck stories.

Kari

p.s.  It seems rec.scuba doesn't talk much scuba anymore, but I'm
always interested in the "canadian" and "gun" threads - as you may
remember...
Lee Bell - 01 Dec 2006 22:12 GMT
"Kari"

> Have any of you ever been diving in Lake Michigan?  I will be in
> Chicago a few times over the next year, and am considering checking it
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> always interested in the "canadian" and "gun" threads - as you may
> remember...

Never even considered diving anyplace as cold as Lake Michigan.

Had you asked in rec.scuba, I'll bet someone would have talked scuba with
you.

Lee
Lee Bell - 01 Dec 2006 22:13 GMT
My misake.  I see you did ask in rec.scuba.  Someone will be along with an
answer in a moment . . . I hope.

Lee

> "Kari"
>
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>
> Lee
Casper Milquetoast - 02 Dec 2006 10:40 GMT
> My misake.  I see you did ask in rec.scuba.  Someone will be along with an
> answer in a moment . . . I hope.

 But in the meantime, sit back & enjoy the show as Lee dances around with
one foot in his mouth.
Lee Bell - 02 Dec 2006 13:48 GMT
>> My misake.  I see you did ask in rec.scuba.  Someone will be along with
>> an answer in a moment . . . I hope.

>  But in the meantime, sit back & enjoy the show as Lee dances around with
> one foot in his mouth.

No dancing.  The message was cross posted.  When I noticed, I acknowledged
my mistake.

I used my own name both times.

Who did you say you were?

Lee
ktatkins@telus.net - 01 Dec 2006 22:35 GMT
> "Kari"
>
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>
> Never even considered diving anyplace as cold as Lake Michigan.

Do you suppose it will be colder than the glacial lakes in Jasper
National Park?  Water temp there in May was about 48F, in late August
up to a balmy 56F.

> Had you asked in rec.scuba, I'll bet someone would have talked scuba with
> you.

Maybe - we'll see.  I see all of the same old faces there, and although
it's been several YEARS since I visited, it seems the same discussion
is still going on.  :-)  

> Lee
JOF - 01 Dec 2006 22:48 GMT
> Maybe - we'll see.  I see all of the same old faces there, and although
> it's been several YEARS since I visited, it seems the same discussion
> is still going on.  :-)

Kari, Hi

It's been a while. How's things in the west?

JF
Kari - 02 Dec 2006 02:54 GMT
> > Maybe - we'll see.  I see all of the same old faces there, and although
> > it's been several YEARS since I visited, it seems the same discussion
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>
> JF

oh, you know.  pretty well.  snowy here, but at least it's warmed up a
bit - and it looks like you easterners are getting a bit of what you
deserve, and maybe a little extra.  ;-)

been diving lately?
JOF - 02 Dec 2006 15:12 GMT
> oh, you know.  pretty well.  snowy here, but at least it's warmed up a
> bit - and it looks like you easterners are getting a bit of what you
> deserve, and maybe a little extra.  ;-)
>
> been diving lately?

Not as much as I'd like. Too many other things on my plate this year.
The latest is that our son Matt has joined me in the business. I think
I told you about him, the golf pro/bass player. He decided to put the
fun back into golf and get a day job that makes money instead.

I'm not sure if I told you about his band before. Last time you were
here you mentioned some music connections of your own so look up
Frontier Index. They have a site on Myspace with some mp3's you can
listen to. Matt's the only one with long hair in the pics. I'm working
on him to get that cut.    8)

JF
Carl Nisarel - 03 Dec 2006 14:39 GMT
Go gcreime na péisteoga do cheann ktatkins@telus.net:

> Maybe - we'll see.  I see all of the same old faces there, and although
> it's been several YEARS since I visited, it seems the same discussion
> is still going on.

It's the same old fuckwits shouting down everyone who isn't one of their
fuckbuddies.

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Grumman-581 - 01 Dec 2006 22:50 GMT
> Have any of you ever been diving in Lake Michigan?

It's cold... In the middle of the summer, you can tie a line onto a
6-pack, drop it over the side of your boat, and it'll be nice and
cold...

MJB is currently on a dive there... He's racking up some serious
bottom time from what we hear...

> I will be in Chicago a few times over the next year

Deepest sympathy...

Learn how to say "up yours" and you'll fit right in though...

> I'd like to hear any good wreck stories.

Definitely you're going to need to hook up with MJB...

> p.s.  It seems rec.scuba doesn't talk much scuba anymore, but I'm
> always interested in the "canadian" and "gun" threads - as you may
> remember...

We've discussed everything dive related to death by now... All that's
left is guns, beer, and BBQ... Unfortunately for Canada, they're only
batting 0.200 (0.100, 0.100, and 0.00 respectively)...
Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick - 02 Dec 2006 01:19 GMT
> Well, hello.
>
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> always interested in the "canadian" and "gun" threads - as you may
> remember...

 We talk scuba whenever it's to be had.
Kari - 02 Dec 2006 02:53 GMT
>   We talk scuba whenever it's to be had.

Well, then, have you ever been diving in Lake Michigan?
Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick - 02 Dec 2006 06:37 GMT
>>   We talk scuba whenever it's to be had.
>
> Well, then, have you ever been diving in Lake Michigan?

 No.

 But there are those here that have. :-)
dazed and confuzzed - 02 Dec 2006 03:17 GMT
> Well, hello.
>
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> always interested in the "canadian" and "gun" threads - as you may
> remember...

THere are good wrecks within an hour of Chicago, and good shallow diving
as well. But the scenery is drab, and the water is, by most standards, cold.

But any day diving is better than a day in jail.

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Kari - 02 Dec 2006 17:27 GMT
> THere are good wrecks within an hour of Chicago, and good shallow diving
> as well. But the scenery is drab, and the water is, by most standards, cold.

I know it won't be tropical...  but after having done some
certifications in lakes in Jasper, I am okay with that.  I wonder if
it's worth it, is all - the dragging of the gear on the plane, that
sort of thing.  By comparison, in Jasper, temp is 40 - 60 degrees
depending on the time of year.  Scenery?  In one of the two lakes we
use, there is a fish.  That's right, a fish.  Oh, and there are also
some piles of rocks.  Farther out into the centre of the lake there
gets to be some grass.  Did I mention there's one fish?  The good thing
is that vis is limited to about 30 feet, so you can tell people there's
lots of stuff, and they just didn't see it.  In the other lake, there's
an engine block, and silt.  The silt is comprised of the poop of a
zillion geese, and you can sink your arms into it up to the shoulder...
That's something to see.

So - knowing that it'll be cold (not an issue), and that there's not
much scenery (again, okay) are the wrecks in Lake Michigan worth
visiting?  When you say "good wrecks" - are there a lot of them?  and
(this might be a silly question) are they all ships?

kari
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Grumman-581 - 02 Dec 2006 17:36 GMT
> When you say "good wrecks" - are there a lot of them?

"Good" means well preserved... Well preserved because of how cold the
water is and nothing lives / grows down there...

Still, MJB (i.e. Black) has logged a pretty good amount of bottom time
there...
Kari - 02 Dec 2006 18:05 GMT
> Still, MJB (i.e. Black) has logged a pretty good amount of bottom time
> there...

I don't want to start anything, but when I last visited rec.scuba, MJB
was dead.  Now he's not?
Grumman-581 - 02 Dec 2006 18:08 GMT
> I don't want to start anything, but when I last visited rec.scuba, MJB
> was dead.

Well, they never found the body, so *technically*, he's still logging
bottom time... <evil-grin>
Kari - 02 Dec 2006 23:49 GMT
> > I don't want to start anything, but when I last visited rec.scuba, MJB
> > was dead.
>
> Well, they never found the body, so *technically*, he's still logging
> bottom time... <evil-grin>

And you said to me "Definitely you're going to need to hook up with
MJB..."  

What did I ever do to you??  geez.
dazed and confuzzed - 02 Dec 2006 18:33 GMT
>>THere are good wrecks within an hour of Chicago, and good shallow diving
>>as well. But the scenery is drab, and the water is, by most standards, cold.
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> visiting?  When you say "good wrecks" - are there a lot of them?  and
> (this might be a silly question) are they all ships?

Yes there are good wrecks.

What kind of a diver are you? Beginner, intermediate, or advanced?

Want deep or shallow?

Shore dive or boat dive? Charter?

Whatever type of diving you do in Lake Michigan, get a GOOD set of
gloves. THe Zebra mussels are sharp, and they are everywhere.

They'll cut through wetsuit gloves.

> kari
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Kari - 02 Dec 2006 18:43 GMT
> Yes there are good wrecks.
>
> What kind of a diver are you? Beginner, intermediate, or advanced?

I am but a mere babe compared to most of the old salts in this group.
;-)

> Want deep or shallow?

Either or.  Doesn't matter.  I find that with wreck diving, it all
depends where the wreck is, no?  :-)

> Shore dive or boat dive? Charter?

Yes.  Are there wrecks you can reach from shore?  Or are most reached
from boat?

It's not so much a matter of what I'd *like* as it is a matter of what
there *is* as I see it.  I mean, I'm not putting together a list of
qualities for my perfect wreck dive and then trying to find a site that
qualifies...  I'm more interested in hearing what sort of wreck diving
there might be in Lake Michigan, so I can decide if I'd like to do it.

> Whatever type of diving you do in Lake Michigan, get a GOOD set of
> gloves. THe Zebra mussels are sharp, and they are everywhere.

Thanks for the tip!
dazed and confuzzed - 02 Dec 2006 19:25 GMT
>>Yes there are good wrecks.
>>
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> Yes.  Are there wrecks you can reach from shore?  Or are most reached
> from boat?

Start here.
http://home.xnet.com/~acpinc/wrecks.html

THe "Herner" is a relatively easy shore dive (but sometimes a fairly
long swim in the waves) this is in Michigan City, Indiana, about an hour
and 15 minutes from Chicago. The only bitch is the long walk from the
road to the beach. Sometimes the current is fairly strong here parallel
to the shoreline. Bring a compass. 20 ft or so depending on the lake level.

THe "Wheeler is not too much fun, most artifacts are buried. Sometimes
the entire wreck is buried. It's mostly just timbers on the bottom.
Last time I dove it was about 25 ft to the bottom. Also in MC

The "Muskegon" can be dove from shore, but the walk to shore is a really
really long one. You climb UP then down to get to the sore (the walk
back is harder). Sometimes this wreck is buried in sand, sometimes it is
completely exposed. Viz is generally good. Sometimes there are artifacts
to be picked up, sometimes not. Sometimes you can't fins the wreck at
all dues to sand covering it. On a good day the boilers can be entered.
Easily found about 275 yards offshore (and slightly east of)  "Mt.
Baldy" national lakeshore park due west of Michigan City on US 12.
(note: DON"T run down the hill on the return trip).

THe "Dows" is  supposed to be a neat dive, but I have never seen much of
it, as each time I try to dive it, viz is less than 5 feet. 40 foot or
so depth.

The "MSB" is a shallow interesting wreck in about 20-30 ft of water.
Nice dive, but you can get yourself in trouble if you aren't experienced
at penetration. There are however, neat places that a novice can
penetrate safely, but there are places where you can hang your gear up
unless you are careful even in the holds. Be careful. Vis is usually
about 15 ft, sometimes less. Be careful surfacing, as the local
fisherman may or may not see your dive flag on their way past. THis is
near Calumet harbor, about 45 minutes from Chicago.

If you want a fun dive, go out of Portage IN marina and turn east for
about 1 mile (or less) and dive for anchors on the breakwater. 20-40
feet depth. Usually a slight current. Bring a lift bag and you can (on a
good day) retrieve in excess of a hundred pounds of anchors. Let the
folks at the marina know you are going out on an "anchor dive" when you
leave and you can usually sell enough of them to pay for your dive day
when you get back. Be wary of the  ore freighters coming in an out of
the steel mills, (stay on the bottom until they pass!).

Again, wear gloves. Durable ones.

> It's not so much a matter of what I'd *like* as it is a matter of what
> there *is* as I see it.  I mean, I'm not putting together a list of
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> Thanks for the tip!

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Kari - 02 Dec 2006 23:51 GMT
Thanks for the link, and for the info.  That's exactly what I was
looking for.  :-)
dazed and confuzzed - 03 Dec 2006 00:10 GMT
> Thanks for the link, and for the info.  That's exactly what I was
> looking for.  :-)

When you are coming to Chicago, email me beforehand and we'll see if we
can put something together...

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Paul K. Lathrop - 02 Dec 2006 20:05 GMT
I did some lake michigan diving a couple of years ago, off of Milwaukee 70
mile north of chicago.   lots of cray fish and some other fish.   There are
a lot of wrecks that can be seen.   depending on the weather there can be
50-65 feet of visiblity,  water temp depending on the time of the year we
went in the late summer.  I will be doing a lot more next year with my
brother.  He has been stationed in Afganastan this last summer so I did not
do any.  He lives less than 1 mile from the lake.  And I live in Iowa...
absolutly no diving in this state.

>> THere are good wrecks within an hour of Chicago, and good shallow diving
>> as well. But the scenery is drab, and the water is, by most standards,
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Grumman-581 - 02 Dec 2006 20:14 GMT
> And I live in Iowa... absolutly no diving in this state.

But it makes up for it with the quantity of corn fields, right? <grin>

I spent 6 months in Cedar Rapids on a contract... Had my dive gear
with me, but wasn't inclined enough to freeze my 'nads off just to say
that I had dove Iowa...
Johnny T - 05 Dec 2006 15:07 GMT
you might want to head to Milwaukee, Pirates cove diving  runs a great
charter service and the wreck are to many to talk about....I have been
diving this area for 10 years  the vis has bee good since the zebra
muscles.... they might even have a web page....or give them a call im sure
they have a pamphlet to send..414-483-1430 we also have a couple of
breweries to tour...Ya Ya Milwaukee.....Johnny T
> Well, hello.
>
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> always interested in the "canadian" and "gun" threads - as you may
> remember...
Paul K. Lathrop - 13 Dec 2006 03:59 GMT
I can second the Pirates Cove dive shop I got half of my equipment from them
3 years ago and my brother was trained with Jerry(the guy that is partners
in the shop and who owns the boat Len-Der) and that was over 20 years ago.
Very good place to go...
web page is  www.pcdiving.com....

> you might want to head to Milwaukee, Pirates cove diving  runs a great
> charter service and the wreck are to many to talk about....I have been
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>> always interested in the "canadian" and "gun" threads - as you may
>> remember...
Star - 13 Dec 2006 04:42 GMT
> I can second the Pirates Cove dive shop I got half of my equipment from them
> 3 years ago and my brother was trained with Jerry(the guy that is partners
> in the shop and who owns the boat Len-Der) and that was over 20 years ago.
> Very good place to go...
> web page is  www.pcdiving.com....

Is a Julie somebody still diving a lot with Jerry?  She was a
chiropractor in Milwaukee.

The wrecks off Port Huron are pretty nifty, BTW.

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