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Lee Bell - 19 Oct 2006 16:04 GMT LIGHTHOUSE POINT, Fla. -- A Florida man is fighting for his life after a stingray jumped onto his boat and stabbed him in the chest.
A professor of marine biology at the University of Miami said such attacks are so "extraordinarily rare" that she's never heard of one like it.
The victim is an 81-year-old man who was boating with his adult granddaughter and one of her friends. The women were able to steer the boat back to land and call for help.
Rescuers said surgeons were able to remove some of the foot-long barb but not all of it. Open-heart surgery may be necessary.
The roughly five-foot wide, 30-pound stingray died on the boat.
While such incidents are said to be rare, TV's "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin was fatally stabbed by a stingray while swimming with them in Australia last month.
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JOF - 19 Oct 2006 17:48 GMT > LIGHTHOUSE POINT, Fla. -- A Florida man is fighting for his life after a > stingray jumped onto his boat and stabbed him in the chest. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Irwin was fatally stabbed by a stingray while swimming with them in > Australia last month. The sharks are probably welcoming the new villain. Takes some heat off them. Should we start a pool on when the first movie about killer stingrays is released?
HotRod - 19 Oct 2006 17:52 GMT I'd like to put $20 on the new movie "Singrays on a Plane" or "Stingrays on a Boat"
Joe English - 20 Oct 2006 13:23 GMT > I'd like to put $20 on the new movie "Singrays on a Plane" or "Stingrays on > a Boat" coming in your house thru the sewer system and out the toilet
Dillon Pyron - 23 Oct 2006 17:43 GMT >> I'd like to put $20 on the new movie "Singrays on a Plane" or "Stingrays on >> a Boat" >> >coming in your house thru the sewer system and out the toilet Hot sh.t!!!
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HotRod - 19 Oct 2006 17:53 GMT JOF If you want in on the pool I'll keep your money for you :-)
longshot - 19 Oct 2006 17:49 GMT ">
> While such incidents are said to be rare, TV's "Crocodile Hunter" Steve > Irwin was fatally stabbed by a stingray while swimming with them in > Australia last month. we are going to need Kevlar bcds
Grumman-581 - 19 Oct 2006 19:16 GMT > we are going to need Kevlar bcds As I believe I mentioned on the last topic about this sort of incident, Kevlar isn't that great against long pointy thing type attacks... An aluminum breastplate would be effective, but you would also need side pieces, just in case the strike came under your arms...
JOF - 19 Oct 2006 22:05 GMT > > we are going to need Kevlar bcds > > As I believe I mentioned on the last topic about this sort of incident, > Kevlar isn't that great against long pointy thing type attacks... An > aluminum breastplate would be effective, but you would also need side > pieces, just in case the strike came under your arms... Could be a whole new product line for Scott Koplin - Stingray breastplates that could be threaded onto the standard one piece harness, kind of like an aluminum sandwich.
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GWB - 19 Oct 2006 23:14 GMT The guy wasn't even in the water.
Between flying rays, leaping carp and crawling snakeheads, it ain't even safe to go NEAR the water. <G>
Rick - BrethrenoftheCoast.net - 20 Oct 2006 00:32 GMT > The guy wasn't even in the water. > > Between flying rays, leaping carp and crawling snakeheads, it ain't > even safe to go NEAR the water. <G> There's always great lakes diving - worst thing we get here is a muskie of fresh water eel. Lots of well preserved wrecks though.
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El Mecky - 20 Oct 2006 12:53 GMT Then again, last week a lady was run over by a car, and she wasn't even driving! And the sidewalk is a lot less elevated above the street than an average boat above the water...
Frank
> The guy wasn't even in the water. > > Between flying rays, leaping carp and crawling snakeheads, it ain't > even safe to go NEAR the water. <G> Dillon Pyron - 19 Oct 2006 23:29 GMT >> we are going to need Kevlar bcds > >As I believe I mentioned on the last topic about this sort of incident, >Kevlar isn't that great against long pointy thing type attacks... An >aluminum breastplate would be effective, but you would also need side >pieces, just in case the strike came under your arms... I see a new product coming. Stainless steel breastplates for nervous snorklers. Have to make those silly vests just a little bigger.
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DanVolker - 20 Oct 2006 02:16 GMT My sporasub freedive wetsuit has a thick and large chest pad for chest cocking spearguns. It is tough, and could easily be changed to a kevlar version, if you wanted to have even more protection. Scott could create a whole new fad in freediving wetsuits :-)
I have gotten close to many sting rays over the years, and always saw them getting uneasy or annoyed well before it was too late to get out of the way..I have seen a few rearward charges by them , but again, if you are watching and not almost touching them, it would not be a problem..The Crockadile guy must not have been looking at the ray, and swum too close. As far as jumping into the boat goes, where was his shotgun ???? :-)
Regards, Dan V
> >> we are going to need Kevlar bcds > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If you can't figure out how to unmunge my > address, email me and I'll explain it. Scott - 20 Oct 2006 03:00 GMT > My sporasub freedive wetsuit has a thick and large chest pad for chest > cocking spearguns. It is tough, and could easily be changed to a kevlar > version, if you wanted to have even more protection. > Scott could create a whole new fad in freediving wetsuits :-) I guess we have been wearing the 1/4" plates on the wrong side...
http://www.pointblankarmor.com/drysuit.asp
Dillon Pyron - 23 Oct 2006 17:48 GMT >> My sporasub freedive wetsuit has a thick and large chest pad for chest >> cocking spearguns. It is tough, and could easily be changed to a kevlar [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >http://www.pointblankarmor.com/drysuit.asp Kevlar still won't save you from an ice pick.
A few years ago (okay, more like 15,I was still in Carrollton at the time) a body armor salesdroid went to a city council meeting somewhere to pedal his wares. He put on the armor and handed one of the councilmen a knife.
The councilman later resigned and went into seclusion, he was that upset over killing the guy.
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chilly - 20 Oct 2006 03:22 GMT > My sporasub freedive wetsuit has a thick and large chest pad for chest > cocking spearguns. It is tough, and could easily be changed to a kevlar [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you are watching and not almost touching them, it would not be a > problem.. I've seen you around a ray.I'm not surprised you've seen them getting uneasy or annoyed. ;^)
>The Crockadile guy must not have been looking at the ray, and > swum too close. As far as jumping into the boat goes, where was his [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > If you can't figure out how to unmunge my > > address, email me and I'll explain it. DanVolker - 20 Oct 2006 04:11 GMT > > My sporasub freedive wetsuit has a thick and large chest pad for chest > > cocking spearguns. It is tough, and could easily be changed to a kevlar [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > problem..I've seen you around a ray.I'm not surprised you've seen them getting uneasy > or annoyed. ;^) How you doing Chilly?
As I recall, you toss barbs around alot like the sting rays..so I'll just agree with anything you are saying :-)
Nice to hear from you again. Regards, DanV
> >The Crockadile guy must not have been looking at the ray, and > > swum too close. As far as jumping into the boat goes, where was his [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > If you can't figure out how to unmunge my > > > address, email me and I'll explain it.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - chilly - 20 Oct 2006 04:21 GMT > > > problem..I've seen you around a ray.I'm not surprised you've seen them getting uneasy > > or annoyed. ;^) > > > How you doing Chilly? I'm good thanks. It's good to see you here again.
> As I recall, you toss barbs around alot like the sting rays..so I'll > just agree with anything you are saying :-) LOL. Better get out your kevlar!
> Nice to hear from you again. You too. Puffed up any puffers lately?
> Regards, > DanV [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > If you can't figure out how to unmunge my > > > > address, email me and I'll explain it.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Chris Guynn - 20 Oct 2006 14:10 GMT > > we are going to need Kevlar bcds > > As I believe I mentioned on the last topic about this sort of incident, > Kevlar isn't that great against long pointy thing type attacks... An > aluminum breastplate would be effective, but you would also need side > pieces, just in case the strike came under your arms... chainmail?
Preferably made of mithril?
Dillon Pyron - 23 Oct 2006 17:51 GMT >> > we are going to need Kevlar bcds >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Preferably made of mithril? You must have been one of the "literate potheads" in college. :-)
All I ever did was run around in the steam tunnels with a wooden sword as some dice. Lots of dice, actually. 4s, 6s, 10s and 20s.
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Chris Guynn - 24 Oct 2006 15:15 GMT <snip>
> >chainmail? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > All I ever did was run around in the steam tunnels with a wooden sword > as some dice. Lots of dice, actually. 4s, 6s, 10s and 20s. No probability dice? Also, I always found that 8s were pretty important too.
C'mon... throwing that 100 sided dice that looked like a ball was super fun. I did manage to build up a level 33 wizard. Imagine the destruction you could achieve with 12 x (2d8) magic missiles.
Damn, I was a nerd.
Although, you didn't really have to have any dice to read "The Hobbit" or the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy.
Oh, and all of that happened in junior high for me. Who wanted to wait until college? Besides, college is more about drinking and chicks than it is about D&D and fantasy books.
Dillon Pyron - 25 Oct 2006 07:46 GMT ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Oh, and all of that happened in junior high for me. Who wanted to wait until college? Besides, >college is more about drinking and chicks than it is about D&D and fantasy books. There's nothing quite like planning D&D in full scale in the steam tunnels under campus. Especially after blowing a couple of joints.
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mike gray - 19 Oct 2006 19:16 GMT > LIGHTHOUSE POINT, Fla. -- A Florida man is fighting for his life after a > stingray jumped onto his boat and stabbed him in the chest. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Irwin was fatally stabbed by a stingray while swimming with them in > Australia last month. I know that ray. It's the same one that buzzed me after the feedings stopped out there.
dechucka - 20 Oct 2006 02:06 GMT > LIGHTHOUSE POINT, Fla. -- A Florida man is fighting for his life after a > stingray jumped onto his boat and stabbed him in the chest. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion. > WILLIAM RALPH INGE, D. D. 1860-1954 if only he had a gun on him at the time he would have been safe.
Scott - 20 Oct 2006 03:01 GMT > if only he had a gun on him at the time he would have been safe. Anyone told you lately youre a dickhead?
dechucka - 20 Oct 2006 06:12 GMT >> if only he had a gun on him at the time he would have been safe. > > Anyone told you lately youre a dickhead? poor didi dumbs did someone upset you
Joe English - 20 Oct 2006 13:34 GMT >>LIGHTHOUSE POINT, Fla. -- A Florida man is fighting for his life after a >>stingray jumped onto his boat and stabbed him in the chest. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > if only he had a gun on him at the time he would have been safe. baseball bat or golf club may have been effective also, a gun may have put a hole in the boat
chilly - 20 Oct 2006 03:06 GMT > LIGHTHOUSE POINT, Fla. -- A Florida man is fighting for his life after a > stingray jumped onto his boat and stabbed him in the chest. (snip)
Too funny. Check out the picture of the villainous ray:
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/10/19/stingray.reut/index.html
It's from the other side of the world.
dechucka - 20 Oct 2006 06:14 GMT >> LIGHTHOUSE POINT, Fla. -- A Florida man is fighting for his life after a >> stingray jumped onto his boat and stabbed him in the chest. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It's from the other side of the world. the picture we got of the killer was of a beautiful eagle ray
bad luck but sh.t happens
chilly - 20 Oct 2006 23:11 GMT > >> LIGHTHOUSE POINT, Fla. -- A Florida man is fighting for his life after a > >> stingray jumped onto his boat and stabbed him in the chest. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > bad luck but sh.t happens The way I last heard it, the eagle ray was jumping out of the water and accidentally jumped into the boat. The old guy got hit because he was trying to repatriate the ray.
DanVolker - 21 Oct 2006 01:15 GMT > > bad luck but sh.t happensThe way I last heard it, the eagle ray was jumping out of the water and > accidentally jumped into the boat. The old guy got hit because he was > trying to repatriate the ray.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Like they say, no good deed goes unpunished.. :-)
Dan V
Lee Bell - 21 Oct 2006 04:49 GMT > The way I last heard it, the eagle ray was jumping out of the water and > accidentally jumped into the boat. The old guy got hit because he was > trying to repatriate the ray. I would have been willing to bet he was either trying to return it to the water or trying to kill it. You'd almost have to be bent over the ray to get hit in the chest.
Lee
Matthias Voss - 20 Oct 2006 10:39 GMT >>LIGHTHOUSE POINT, Fla. -- A Florida man is fighting for his life after a >>stingray jumped onto his boat and stabbed him in the chest. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It's from the other side of the world. Hmm... This is beginning to sound like the beginning of Frank Schaetzing's novel "The Swarm", were nature seems to rise against man.
Matthias
El Mecky - 20 Oct 2006 12:51 GMT So Steve's stingray got to shout to one of his friends about what happened and how. The friend put it in "The Stingray Gazette" and now all of these beasts finally know how to chase these damned humans out of the ocean. And of course there is also the "right winged fanatic" under the stingrays that goes arround forming suicide commando's who jump on boats to kill innocent old people. Must have been an afghan ray then.
Jeez in what a world are we living! Luckily plankton are illiterate; just think what would happen if they found out they itch when they get in our underwear!
Frank
> LIGHTHOUSE POINT, Fla. -- A Florida man is fighting for his life after a > stingray jumped onto his boat and stabbed him in the chest. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion. > WILLIAM RALPH INGE, D. D. 1860-1954
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