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Lew Pollan - 13 Oct 2006 15:47 GMT
I have injured my knee, and it will require a knee replacemnet with an
artificial knee.
I wonder if I will still be able to do any diving with the new knee?
Lee Bell - 13 Oct 2006 16:23 GMT
>I have injured my knee, and it will require a knee replacemnet with an
>artificial knee.
> I wonder if I will still be able to do any diving with the new knee?

We wonder too.  Let us know what you find out when you're recovered.

Lee
Scott - 13 Oct 2006 16:32 GMT
> I have injured my knee, and it will require a knee replacemnet with an
> artificial knee.
> I wonder if I will still be able to do any diving with the new knee?

Yes you will, probably.

One of our dearest friends has had both hips and one knee replaced, and he
hikes and dives, but he is an exceptional man by all standards.

Best advice is going to come from the orthopod, but my experience would be
to take it easy, let it heal and work it daily, lightly.
Dillon Pyron - 14 Oct 2006 00:15 GMT
>> I have injured my knee, and it will require a knee replacemnet with an
>> artificial knee.
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>One of our dearest friends has had both hips and one knee replaced, and he
>hikes and dives, but he is an exceptional man by all standards.

Ralph Ericson had both hips replaced and went diving not long before
he died.

>Best advice is going to come from the orthopod, but my experience would be
>to take it easy, let it heal and work it daily, lightly.
>
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Dillon Pyron - 13 Oct 2006 19:44 GMT
>I have injured my knee, and it will require a knee replacemnet with an
>artificial knee.
>I wonder if I will still be able to do any diving with the new knee?

Can't see why not.  Have to go through rehab first, may be a year
before you're ready.

What in the world did you do?
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dazed and confuzzed - 13 Oct 2006 21:57 GMT
> I have injured my knee, and it will require a knee replacemnet with an
> artificial knee.
> I wonder if I will still be able to do any diving with the new knee?

depending on the material of the replacement joint, it may affect your
trim....

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Dennis (Icarus) - 14 Oct 2006 04:03 GMT
> > I have injured my knee, and it will require a knee replacemnet with an
> > artificial knee.
> > I wonder if I will still be able to do any diving with the new knee?
> >
> depending on the material of the replacement joint, it may affect your
> trim....

"So you mean that if he is killed he won't float right, yes?"
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a Navy man"

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ajtessier - 14 Oct 2006 01:17 GMT
I started diving after losing my left knee ( my leg is fused and 4" short),
I have logged over 700 since I was certified in 1999. I have a bone
infection and nerve damage in that leg so I compensate buy using my arms. To
answer your question I would say you can dive but you may have to change
your dive style, type of diving, and habits until you learn your new limits
(if you have new limits).

BTW: I know split fins aren't popular with a lot of people that have been
diving for years but I found I had much less pain after doing two dives with
split fins than I had after one dive with my old conventional fins. I have a
dive buddy with a bad back that also switched to split fins and is able to
do two dives since switching, before he bought them we usually did one dive
before his back got too sore to continue.

Al

>I have injured my knee, and it will require a knee replacemnet with an
> artificial knee.
> I wonder if I will still be able to do any diving with the new knee?
Magilla - 14 Oct 2006 12:58 GMT
> BTW: I know split fins aren't popular with a lot of people that have been
> diving for years

   You mean any diver of any real experience or caliber wouldn't consider
using such a gimick?   :-)

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Greg Mossman - 14 Oct 2006 18:23 GMT
>> BTW: I know split fins aren't popular with a lot of people that have been
>> diving for years
>
>    You mean any diver of any real experience or caliber wouldn't consider
> using such a gimick?   :-)

Some Luddites consider dive computers to be gimmicks.  I've met plenty of
divers with real experience and caliber that use split fins.
Magilla - 14 Oct 2006 21:46 GMT
> Some Luddites consider dive computers to be gimmicks.  I've met plenty of
> divers with real experience and caliber that use split fins.

   Since when does an AOW card from your favorite agency count as real
experience?

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Greg Mossman - 14 Oct 2006 22:58 GMT
>> Some Luddites consider dive computers to be gimmicks.  I've met plenty of
>> divers with real experience and caliber that use split fins.
>
>    Since when does an AOW card from your favorite agency count as real
> experience?

Or Instructor Trainers from several different agencies with thousands of
dives under their belts.  Some people just like split fins.  I'm not one of
them, but I don't insult those who do any more than I'd insult someone for
wearing Jetfins.
Magilla - 15 Oct 2006 01:52 GMT
>>> Some Luddites consider dive computers to be gimmicks.  I've met plenty
>>> of divers with real experience and caliber that use split fins.
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> of them, but I don't insult those who do any more than I'd insult someone
> for wearing Jetfins.

   Why not?  You insult gun owners, with decades of experience, on a
regular basis.

Curtis
Greg Mossman - 15 Oct 2006 03:00 GMT
>>>> Some Luddites consider dive computers to be gimmicks.  I've met plenty
>>>> of divers with real experience and caliber that use split fins.
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>    Why not?  You insult gun owners, with decades of experience, on a
> regular basis.

Not on the basis of what particular gun they choose to carry.  It makes no
difference to me.
Magilla - 15 Oct 2006 03:29 GMT
>>    Why not?  You insult gun owners, with decades of experience, on a
>> regular basis.
>
> Not on the basis of what particular gun they choose to carry.  It makes no
> difference to me.

   Based on your overall ignorance of the different types?

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Greg Mossman - 15 Oct 2006 08:46 GMT
>>>    Why not?  You insult gun owners, with decades of experience, on a
>>> regular basis.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>    Based on your overall ignorance of the different types?

Based on my respect for personal preference.
Magilla - 15 Oct 2006 03:32 GMT
>>    Why not?  You insult gun owners, with decades of experience, on a
>> regular basis.

> Not on the basis of what particular gun they choose to carry.  It makes no
> difference to me.

   You also insult some, like myself, who choose not to carry.

Curtis
Greg Mossman - 15 Oct 2006 08:47 GMT
>>>    Why not?  You insult gun owners, with decades of experience, on a
>>> regular basis.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>    You also insult some, like myself, who choose not to carry.

I do?  I thought I only insult those who choose to carry.  One of us is
confused.
Magilla - 16 Oct 2006 00:46 GMT
>>    You also insult some, like myself, who choose not to carry.
>
> I do?  I thought I only insult those who choose to carry.  One of us is
> confused.

   As usual, it's the liberal.

   Not all owners carry, or advertise their possessions, you have indeed
insulted me as one of those in the past.
Magilla - 15 Oct 2006 03:36 GMT
> Or Instructor Trainers from several different agencies with thousands of
> dives under their belts.  Some people just like split fins.  I'm not one
> of them, but I don't insult those who do any more than I'd insult someone
> for wearing Jetfins.

   I'm waiting for the flood of users with thousands of dives who use pussy
fins to return insults to me.

Curtis
Greg Mossman - 15 Oct 2006 08:52 GMT
>> Or Instructor Trainers from several different agencies with thousands of
>> dives under their belts.  Some people just like split fins.  I'm not one
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>    I'm waiting for the flood of users with thousands of dives who use
> pussy fins to return insults to me.

You'll have to keep waiting.  They're experienced and mature enough not to
insult people on the basis of their dive gear choices, especially when
they've made free choices and not merely adopted a certain rigid conformity.
Magilla - 16 Oct 2006 00:46 GMT
>>> Or Instructor Trainers from several different agencies with thousands of
>>> dives under their belts.  Some people just like split fins.  I'm not one
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> they've made free choices and not merely adopted a certain rigid
> conformity.

   Veiled insult, and a line of unadulterated bullshit.  Gotcha.
Magilla - 14 Oct 2006 21:55 GMT
> I've met plenty of divers with real experience and caliber that use split
> fins.

   Kind of the equivalent of using styrofoam bricks instead of learning how
to break.  :-P

Curtis
Greg Mossman - 14 Oct 2006 22:59 GMT
>> I've met plenty of divers with real experience and caliber that use split
>> fins.
>
>    Kind of the equivalent of using styrofoam bricks instead of learning
> how to break.  :-P

Why break bricks at all if you can use a scooter?
dazed and confuzzed - 15 Oct 2006 00:17 GMT
>>>I've met plenty of divers with real experience and caliber that use split
>>>fins.
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>
> Why break bricks at all if you can use a scooter?

Sawzall works better....cleaner edge too.

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Magilla - 15 Oct 2006 01:52 GMT
>> Why break bricks at all if you can use a scooter?

> Sawzall works better....cleaner edge too.

   Sawzall much slower than my hand on bricks, and you bring one near my
scooter (if I had one) sawzall give enema.   ;-)

Curtis
dazed and confuzzed - 15 Oct 2006 02:04 GMT
>>>Why break bricks at all if you can use a scooter?
>
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>
> Curtis

LOL

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Magilla - 15 Oct 2006 02:09 GMT
> LOL

   You gotta be there next time we attempt to drown the friggin lawyer.

Curtis
dazed and confuzzed - 15 Oct 2006 03:21 GMT
>>LOL
>
>     You gotta be there next time we attempt to drown the friggin lawyer.
>
> Curtis

roger that

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Magilla - 15 Oct 2006 01:51 GMT
>>    Kind of the equivalent of using styrofoam bricks instead of learning
>> how to break.  :-P
>
> Why break bricks at all if you can use a scooter?

   Um, surely you don't wanna break a scooter?

   BTW, I'm sure it would have been nice to have had one for our last beach
dive.......

Curtis
ajtessier - 14 Oct 2006 23:54 GMT
I'll bow to your experience, I've only been diving since 1999 and have only
been able to log 705 dives. I can tell you from my experience (with my leg)
that I would have less dives and lees bottom time without the use of split
fins. They may not be for everyone but at age 59 with one leg 4 inches short
and no knee I'll take any GIMMICK that keeps me in the water!

Al
Bottoms Up Divers

>> BTW: I know split fins aren't popular with a lot of people that have been
>> diving for years
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>
> Curtis
Magilla - 15 Oct 2006 02:07 GMT
> I'll bow to your experience, I've only been diving since 1999 and have
> only been able to log 705 dives. I can tell you from my experience (with
> my leg) that I would have less dives and lees bottom time without the use
> of split fins. They may not be for everyone but at age 59 with one leg 4
> inches short and no knee I'll take any GIMMICK that keeps me in the water!

  No need to, bowing not for scuba.

   Seriously, I don't care for them, but my comments are in jest.

Curtis
Chris Guynn - 17 Oct 2006 19:01 GMT
> BTW: I know split fins aren't popular with a lot of people that have been
> diving for years but I found I had much less pain after doing two dives with
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Al

Patient: "Doc, it hurts when i do this." (Patient raises arm)
Doctor: "Well then, don't do that."
DanVolker - 17 Oct 2006 20:49 GMT
It's true!! Split fins will mean less pain and less work when you kick.
However, there is an even BETTER option, with even less pain, and even
less work. Go barefoot....slightly less thrust than split fins, but
years of evolution have made the bare foot "system" superior to split
fins for people with pain or who want the minimum effort per kick.

Regards,
DanV    :-)

> > BTW: I know split fins aren't popular with a lot of people that have been
> > diving for years but I found I had much less pain after doing two dives with
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> > AlPatient: "Doc, it hurts when i do this." (Patient raises arm)
> Doctor: "Well then, don't do that."
Lee Bell - 17 Oct 2006 21:09 GMT
> It's true!! Split fins will mean less pain and less work when you kick.
> However, there is an even BETTER option, with even less pain, and even
> less work. Go barefoot....slightly less thrust than split fins, but
> years of evolution have made the bare foot "system" superior to split
> fins for people with pain or who want the minimum effort per kick.

Or get vented fins, like SP Jet Fins.  They'll help you go nowhere fast too.
8^)

>> > BTW: I know split fins aren't popular with a lot of people that have
>> > been
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>> > dive
>> > before his back got too sore to continue.

If his fins make his back hurt, there's something very wrong with the way he
is kicking.

Quite a few people who have been diving for a long time, like split fins.  I
don't happen to be one of them, but that doesn't mean they're not right for
you.  Beg, borrow or buy a pair and try them out.  Get some help from
someone that knows, regarding the difference in how you kick with split fins
versus more conventional ones and give yourself time to get used to them
before deciding if they are right for you.

Lee
nospam@all.please.net - 17 Oct 2006 23:08 GMT
>> It's true!! Split fins will mean less pain and less work when you kick.
>> However, there is an even BETTER option, with even less pain, and even
>> less work. Go barefoot....slightly less thrust than split fins, but

<snip>

> Quite a few people who have been diving for a long time, like split fins.  I
> don't happen to be one of them, but that doesn't mean they're not right for
> you.  Beg, borrow or buy a pair and try them out.  Get some help from
> someone that knows, regarding the difference in how you kick with split fins
> versus more conventional ones and give yourself time to get used to them
> before deciding if they are right for you.

A dive guide on Cozumel tried to sell me his old fins (Mares or
the like).  His "new" fins were splits, but of two different
brands! He obviously liked them and he dives more than anyone
on this NG.
Scott - 17 Oct 2006 23:27 GMT
> A dive guide on Cozumel tried to sell me his old fins (Mares or
> the like).  His "new" fins were splits, but of two different
> brands! He obviously liked them and he dives more than anyone
> on this NG.

So what?

I have dove them all, and wouldnt dive split fins if you paid me.
ben bradlee - 17 Oct 2006 23:54 GMT
> I have dove them all, and wouldnt dive split fins if you paid me.

Another certified check for $1,000,000 into the garbage.  (Scott has his
principles.)

I tried split fins for the first time last Saturday.  I think I'll buy a
pair.  (I told the guy that lent them to me that I wouldn't be buying any.
Of course, that was before the dive.)
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 18 Oct 2006 03:52 GMT
>> I have dove them all, and wouldnt dive split fins if you paid me.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> pair.  (I told the guy that lent them to me that I wouldn't be buying any.
> Of course, that was before the dive.)

 I tested them extensively and rejected them as useless (Of course, that
was after several dives).

 But you're just the kind of guy I picture owning them.
DanVolker - 18 Oct 2006 00:43 GMT
.A dive guide on Cozumel tried to sell me his old fins (Mares or
> the like).  His "new" fins were splits, but of two different
> brands! He obviously liked them and he dives more than anyone
> on this NG.

Plenty of dive guides are close to "never-evers" in actual dive
abilities or useful advise. Some are good.
What I would suggest is that a "leverage" or "gearing" difference
exists between many fins....this has a huge impact on the fitness of
the diver, as does the efficiency of the fin ( different from the
mechanical advantage or leverage). Splits have much less leverage,
meaning more kicks to go a given distance than fins with lots of
leverage, like freedive fins.
I have found carbon fiber freedive fins, have far more leverage AND
more efficiency ( energy put in, and energy returned as thrust--energy
out) then splits, Jets, or any scuba fins. The difference is so
dramatic, it allows me to dive with guys on gavin scooters, while I use
just my freedive fins. You won't find any dive guide in split fins
keeping up to someone on a Gavin :-)
Try the carbon fiber freedive fins--they are mind blowing. Maybe a
little delicate--you can't gian stride with them, you have to go in
head first or back roll, but the idea is to be great in the water, not
just be slick while on the boat :-)

Regards,
DanV
nospam@all.please.net - 18 Oct 2006 02:42 GMT
> .A dive guide on Cozumel tried to sell me his old fins (Mares or
>> the like).  His "new" fins were splits, but of two different
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Regards,
> DanV

He dives more than you do.  While I don't dive with splits,
your theory is worth less than his experience. Case closed.
Magilla - 18 Oct 2006 03:04 GMT
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> He dives more than you do.  While I don't dive with splits,
> your theory is worth less than his experience. Case closed.

   Now that is funny.
Dillon Pyron - 18 Oct 2006 19:19 GMT
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>
>> He dives more than you do.  While I don't dive with splits,
>> your theory is worth less than his experience. Case closed.
>
>    Now that is funny.

Especially coming from an anonymous post.
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mike gray - 18 Oct 2006 03:22 GMT
>>.A dive guide on Cozumel tried to sell me his old fins (Mares or
>>
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> He dives more than you do.  While I don't dive with splits,
> your theory is worth less than his experience. Case closed.

There is a solid reason for the right fin not matching the left:
those of us who get their gear off the bottom very rarely find
matching fins.

And it's really not theory. The Law of Cubes explains the
problem of variances in propulsion from different portions of
the fin. Louis de Corlieu's 1933 patent was the first fin
specifically deigned to reduce this discontinuity of propulsion.

The real difference in modern fins is not the efficiency, but
the power required to make a specific design work and the
control of flow laterally off the fin.

I can't use freedive fins because I lack the leg muscles to make
them work. And even if I did have the muscles, I don't want to
swim at the speeds required for them to work.

Selection of fins is like selecting a vehicle. Don't go to the
Lotus dealer for a vehicle to pull yer plow.

Or just use the ones ya find on the bottom.

m
nospam@all.please.net - 18 Oct 2006 04:14 GMT
>>>.A dive guide on Cozumel tried to sell me his old fins (Mares or
>>>
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>
> m

What one finds on the bottom can evidently be better than what
you find at the LDS.  And he dives more than you do. Rookie.
Magilla - 19 Oct 2006 00:40 GMT
<noclue@all.please.net> wrote

> What one finds on the bottom can evidently be better than what
> you find at the LDS.  And he dives more than you do. Rookie.

   If Mike's a rookie, you're not even a gleem in the mailman's eyes.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick - 18 Oct 2006 04:17 GMT
>> Regards,
>> DanV
>
> He dives more than you do.  While I don't dive with splits,
> your theory is worth less than his experience. Case closed.

 I've seen, with my own eyes, Dan Volker, dive in sneakers and experimental
blades, faster and more efficiently than anybody on the boat could keep up
with, and that included Rich Lesperence.

The chance that the average boat monkey has anywhere near his experience is
slim.

Speaking as someone who knows Dan, personally, to be a diver of unusual
skill and accomplishment, and, speaking as a former boat divemaster, let me
be brief in assuring you that you're full of sh.t.

Case closed.

First, a "divemaster" is rarely more than a "diveguide" which is rarely
more than an underwater crossing guard, which is someone who tolerates
people like you (barely, because you're a cheap tipper), so he can dive for
free.

 Dragging whining, snotty, twice-a-year tourist warm water wannabees around
by the SPG they never look at.

 As I remember it, it was when I spent about two dives diving with Dan that
I stopped being a "divemaster" and started being a Guerilla Diver.

 That's what I am now, and what I'll always be.

 You don't know what that means, and you -never- will.

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Dennis (Icarus) - 18 Oct 2006 05:01 GMT
<snip>
>  Speaking as someone who knows Dan, personally, to be a diver of unusual
> skill and accomplishment, and, speaking as a former boat divemaster, let me
> be brief in assuring you that you're full of sh.t.

Thought that issue was decided years ago.

>  Case closed.

Dennis
Matthias Voss - 18 Oct 2006 10:35 GMT
>>.A dive guide on Cozumel tried to sell me his old fins (Mares or
>>
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> He dives more than you do.  While I don't dive with splits,
> your theory is worth less than his experience. Case closed.

Your case seems to be the waste-bin ;-)

Matthias
Magilla - 18 Oct 2006 01:03 GMT
> Or get vented fins, like SP Jet Fins.  They'll help you go nowhere fast
> too. 8^)

   Yeah, right.   :-)

   I'm waiting for someone else to point out the other shortcoming.  I
mean, with all those vastly experienced guys who love them, at least one
would have noticed.......

Curtis
Scott - 18 Oct 2006 01:18 GMT
> > Or get vented fins, like SP Jet Fins.  They'll help you go nowhere fast
> > too. 8^)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> mean, with all those vastly experienced guys who love them, at least one
> would have noticed.......

Yeah, and they're inexpensive too...
ajtessier - 18 Oct 2006 01:26 GMT
His fins didn't cause his back problem, he had back problems before he
started diving. After switching to split fins his back didn't bother him as
much when diving which allowed him to complete two dives most days with less
discomfort then one dive with conventional fins. I may not have been clear
on this in my previous post, that sometimes happens after my second martini.

Al
Bottoms Up Divers

>> It's true!! Split fins will mean less pain and less work when you kick.
>> However, there is an even BETTER option, with even less pain, and even
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Lee
Scott - 18 Oct 2006 01:29 GMT
> His fins didn't cause his back problem, he had back problems before he
> started diving. After switching to split fins his back didn't bother him as
> much when diving which allowed him to complete two dives most days with less
> discomfort then one dive with conventional fins. I may not have been clear
> on this in my previous post, that sometimes happens after my second martini.

Try tequila.

Like split fins, it makes the work easier, but you may not go any faster.
Magilla - 18 Oct 2006 01:39 GMT
> Try tequila.
>
> Like split fins, it makes the work easier, but you may not go any faster.

  Still waiting for the other shortcoming, figured you might know.

   Bet Dan knows, the pilots might, and the cave divers damn sure
better.......

Curtis
Scott - 18 Oct 2006 01:55 GMT
> > Try tequila.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>     Bet Dan knows, the pilots might, and the cave divers damn sure
> better.......

My experience is that they arent worth a sh.t for frog kicks, or reverse
kicks.

Unless you are using the scissor kick, they do nothing.
Matthias Voss - 18 Oct 2006 10:34 GMT
>>>Try tequila.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Unless you are using the scissor kick, they do nothing.

I can't confirm this.
The Apollo Biofin works great with a frog kick.
Of course pour when trying to steer a scooter.
Overall less effective than a freediving fin.
Still the German KSK think about putting them on the list.

Matthias
Scott - 18 Oct 2006 10:39 GMT
> > My experience is that they arent worth a sh.t for frog kicks, or reverse
> > kicks.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Overall less effective than a freediving fin.
> Still the German KSK think about putting them on the list.

I think the scooter thing is what he is looking for, but I dont scooter so I
wouldnt know.
Matthias Voss - 18 Oct 2006 12:53 GMT
>>>My experience is that they arent worth a sh.t for frog kicks, or reverse
>>>kicks.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I think the scooter thing is what he is looking for, but I dont scooter so I
> wouldnt know.

I talked with Jens Hoehner ( aka Hilbert) lately, and he is
quite convinced about it. No ankle fatigue on lond distance
swims. Remember their tactical speed is 37m/min ( with LAR 7
and "payload".

Matthias
chilly - 18 Oct 2006 04:53 GMT
>    Still waiting for the other shortcoming, figured you might know.
>
>     Bet Dan knows, the pilots might, and the cave divers damn sure
> better.......

All I know is I've rarely seen anyone diving split fins that wasn't stirring
up a bunch of something.
Magilla - 19 Oct 2006 00:26 GMT
>>     Bet Dan knows, the pilots might, and the cave divers damn sure
>> better.......
>
> All I know is I've rarely seen anyone diving split fins that wasn't
> stirring
> up a bunch of something.

   and chilly takes the prize.....

Curtis
Greg Mossman - 19 Oct 2006 01:52 GMT
>>>     Bet Dan knows, the pilots might, and the cave divers damn sure
>>> better.......
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>    and chilly takes the prize.....

It's rare that I see someone that is stirring stuff up with split fins, but
then probably 90% of the diving I do is wall diving or over reefs where, if
anything, a surge of water may be beneficial (flush sand off corals,
distribute nutrients, etc.).  They're not appropriate for silted caves or
wrecks, that's for sure, but it's not like anyone is making the silly claim
that one set of gear works best for all types of diving.
Magilla - 19 Oct 2006 04:22 GMT
They're not appropriate for silted caves or
> wrecks, that's for sure, but it's not like anyone is making the silly
> claim that one set of gear works best for all types of diving.

   Two big strikes in my opinion.

   The silly claim is that they're not a gimmick.

   I evidently have a higher standard for what I consider experienced or
"of caliber", and you evidently seem to think it's an insult to not be
considered in that group.  Sorry, I cannot take a diver seriously wearing
those any more than you'd take someone showing up on the golf course with a
badminton racket.

Curtis
Scott - 19 Oct 2006 04:38 GMT
>     I evidently have a higher standard for what I consider experienced or
> "of caliber", and you evidently seem to think it's an insult to not be
> considered in that group.  Sorry, I cannot take a diver seriously wearing
> those any more than you'd take someone showing up on the golf course with a
> badminton racket.

How about a Ruger #3?
Magilla - 19 Oct 2006 04:58 GMT
> How about a Ruger #3?

   Heh.  Be a little inappropriate, no?

   Bet Greg's still thinking the two strikes are cave & wreck, confusing
applications with characteristics.

Curtis
Scott - 19 Oct 2006 05:06 GMT
> > How about a Ruger #3?
>
>     Heh.  Be a little inappropriate, no?

Lots of fun...

I did a can on one that was awesome.

Sounded like slamming the door on a caddy.

Until the slug hit.

> Bet Greg's still thinking the two strikes are cave & wreck, confusing
> applications with characteristics.

Who cares?
Greg Mossman - 19 Oct 2006 05:31 GMT
>    I evidently have a higher standard for what I consider experienced or
> "of caliber", and you evidently seem to think it's an insult to not be
> considered in that group.

So do I, and you're not in my group.  Sorry.  But don't take it as an
insult.

Cannister lights on day dives are a gimmick.  Split fins have a real
purpose.
Clifford Beshers - 19 Oct 2006 07:29 GMT
> Cannister lights on day dives are a gimmick.

Nope.  Ask chilly about the dive where I didn't bring mine.
Lee Bell - 19 Oct 2006 12:32 GMT
> Cannister lights on day dives are a gimmick.  Split fins have a real
> purpose.

Giving newbie gear freaks something to talk about?

Lee
Greg Mossman - 19 Oct 2006 19:54 GMT
>> Cannister lights on day dives are a gimmick.  Split fins have a real
>> purpose.
>
> Giving newbie gear freaks something to talk about?

Splits fins are so common nowadays that no one gives them another thought.
My D9, on the other hand, is good for conversation.  Complete strangers come
up to me and ask about it.  Which reminds me, I really need to get the
recall service done.
Magilla - 20 Oct 2006 04:12 GMT
> Cannister lights on day dives are a gimmick.

   Not where I do some of my daylight dives.

   Mine's only been in salt once, when I did a night dive with John Hanson
and friend.

>  Split fins have a real purpose.

   If you get a blue pair, you can have two new sex toys.

Curtis
chilly - 20 Oct 2006 04:21 GMT
> > Cannister lights on day dives are a gimmick.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>     If you get a blue pair, you can have two new sex toys.

ahhhhhhhaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaa
chilly - 19 Oct 2006 04:26 GMT
> >>>     Bet Dan knows, the pilots might, and the cave divers damn sure
> >>> better.......
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> wrecks, that's for sure, but it's not like anyone is making the silly claim
> that one set of gear works best for all types of diving.

Have you ever been diving on a wall just below someone wearing split fins?
Greg Mossman - 19 Oct 2006 05:28 GMT
> Have you ever been diving on a wall just below someone wearing split fins?

I try not to dive under people.  They block my sun.

Why, does it mess with your banana?
chilly - 19 Oct 2006 06:17 GMT
> > Have you ever been diving on a wall just below someone wearing split fins?
>
> I try not to dive under people.  They block my sun.
>
> Why, does it mess with your banana?

Yes.
Greg Mossman - 19 Oct 2006 07:43 GMT
>> > Have you ever been diving on a wall just below someone wearing split
> fins?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Yes.

Bananas are gimmicks.

BTW, Cliff wants me to ask you about the dive where he didn't bring his
cannister light.
chilly - 20 Oct 2006 04:05 GMT
> BTW, Cliff wants me to ask you about the dive where he didn't bring his
> cannister light.

We really wished we'd had it.
Greg Mossman - 20 Oct 2006 05:41 GMT
>> BTW, Cliff wants me to ask you about the dive where he didn't bring his
>> cannister light.
>
> We really wished we'd had it.

In daylight?  Why?  Was someone underweighted?
bullshark - 19 Oct 2006 20:15 GMT
> Have you ever been diving on a wall just below someone wearing split fins?

I have and they invariably ride the bike, just like they do when they
are near the sand.

Split fins = Avoid at all cost.
Joe English - 14 Oct 2006 05:45 GMT
> I have injured my knee, and it will require a knee replacemnet with an
> artificial knee.
> I wonder if I will still be able to do any diving with the new knee?

Did u dive before the replacement

if so, then yes, if not , then maybe
Magilla - 14 Oct 2006 12:58 GMT
>I have injured my knee, and it will require a knee replacemnet with an
> artificial knee.
> I wonder if I will still be able to do any diving with the new knee?

   From what I've read, as a future candidate for the knee joint surface
replacement, yes.

Curtis
DanVolker - 17 Oct 2006 14:12 GMT
> I have injured my knee, and it will require a knee replacemnet with an
> artificial knee.
> I wonder if I will still be able to do any diving with the new knee?

Lew,
I know a reat many athletes who have had knee problems. Without
exception, those that trusted the bone surgeons, are damaged for life
after these quacks are done with their "replacements".  Go with the
best neuromuscular therapist you can find, add acupuncture, try this
untill you can be certain that ONLY cutting will work. I know some
excellent people in Florida, if you need suggestions.
Regards,
DanV
 
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