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Tina - 17 Sep 2006 19:18 GMT Here is a scuba non technical question. My instructor said that is recommended not to feel bad about peeing in your wet suit. It is recommended for scuba to be well hydrated especially considering the hours we are outdoors, in a boat, sweating and later the hours breathing the dry tank mix. Of course being well hydrated, drinking fluids means that we need to urinate frequently. An old friend, DM, advised me not to drink before dives because peeing in the wet suit makes the suit stink, he did it once and he will never do it again. My instructor, female with about 1000 dives, I think tries to go the safe, conservative and healthy route and even though she is female, she ignores the bad image that can give to others urinating in the wet suit. She told us to immediately wash our suit and it will be fine.
What's you opinion guys ?
Popeye - 17 Sep 2006 20:18 GMT > Here is a scuba non technical question. > My instructor said that is recommended not to feel bad about peeing in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What's you opinion guys ? Where do you think the fish go? (ask W.C. Fields why he doesn't drink water)
You'll hear this forever:
"There are two kinds of divers. Those that pee in their wetsuits, and those that lie about it".
Hell, it can be the highpoint of my dive.
Your old DM friend who says not to drink before diving, besides being a dipshit, is a danger to himself, and others, and, he's very probably one of the two above divers.
Sorry that he's your pal, but, if you've related his advice accurately, you need to check on -anything- he says.
Snot and urine are two relatively common by-products of diving, you'll get used to it. :-)
You'll get used to, er, "flushing" your suit at the end of a dive (and see everyone else do it), and you'll notice most divers don't tuck wetsuit legs into booties. :-)
It also gives you a reason to -buy- your own wetsuit...
There are several specific products for washing out scuba gear, ("Sink the stink" comes to mind), but I use Lemon Lysol, works like a charm.
You'll find booties are the worst, leave 'em to soak in a tub.
Tina - 17 Sep 2006 21:44 GMT > > Here is a scuba non technical question. > > My instructor said that is recommended not to feel bad about peeing in [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > You'll find booties are the worst, leave 'em to soak in a tub. Thank you. I knew that the cold temp and the pressure make me feel to pee and controlling it would stress the heck out of me. I was worried about that. I already got my own suit :- ) About snots, I am a swimmer, I can handle them already :- ) is part of the deal. Thank you about the booties tip ;- )
Dillon Pyron - 18 Sep 2006 00:44 GMT >> > Here is a scuba non technical question. >> > My instructor said that is recommended not to feel bad about peeing in [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >pee and controlling it would stress the heck out of me. I was worried >about that. Being cold tends to force more blood towards the core. Blood in the core goes through the kidneys more frequently. Flushing more blood through the kidneys results in more water being extracted from the blood (actually, a lot more complex than that, but this isn't a 2 hour A&P lecture). More water from the kidneys means more water in the bladder. While the bladder is elastic, it's only to a certain point.
>I already got my own suit :- ) >About snots, I am a swimmer, I can handle them already :- ) is part of >the deal. >Thank you about the booties tip ;- )  Signature dillon
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Limey - 18 Sep 2006 13:57 GMT > Being cold tends to force more blood towards the core. Blood in the > core goes through the kidneys more frequently. Flushing more blood > through the kidneys results in more water being extracted from the > blood (actually, a lot more complex than that, but this isn't a 2 hour > A&P lecture). Airframe and Powerplant? Who knew those aircraft techies were so well rounded?
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Dillon Pyron - 18 Sep 2006 21:32 GMT >> Being cold tends to force more blood towards the core. Blood in the >> core goes through the kidneys more frequently. Flushing more blood [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >LD. sort of. Anatomy & Physiology. In which I made an A last fall. And pulled a 4.0 for 13 hours.
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Limey - 19 Sep 2006 18:16 GMT >>> Being cold tends to force more blood towards the core. Blood in the >>> core goes through the kidneys more frequently. Flushing more blood [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > sort of. Anatomy & Physiology. In which I made an A last fall. And > pulled a 4.0 for 13 hours. Forgot the damned smiley again!
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Joe English - 20 Sep 2006 03:02 GMT >>>>Being cold tends to force more blood towards the core. Blood in the >>>>core goes through the kidneys more frequently. Flushing more blood [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > :-) Grumman-581 - 21 Sep 2006 19:57 GMT > Forgot the damned smiley again! First time he mentioned A&P, I thought it was aircraft related...
Dillon Pyron - 21 Sep 2006 23:34 GMT >>>> Being cold tends to force more blood towards the core. Blood in the >>>> core goes through the kidneys more frequently. Flushing more blood [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >Forgot the damned smiley again! I knew it. I'm surprised Grummy didn't beat you to it. He pranged me on it last year.
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chilly - 18 Sep 2006 01:49 GMT > Thank you. I knew that the cold temp and the pressure make me feel to > pee and controlling it would stress the heck out of me. I was worried > about that. Actually, if you drink more water, your urine will be less smelly and you'll have the added benefit of knowing that you are well hydrated during your dives.
> I already got my own suit :- ) > About snots, I am a swimmer, I can handle them already :- ) is part of > the deal. Yeah, not that sexy a sport sometimes. ;^)
> Thank you about the booties tip ;- ) Even without pee in them, booties can get pretty rank.
Lee Bell - 17 Sep 2006 22:04 GMT > Your old DM friend who says not to drink before diving, besides being a > dipshit, is a danger to himself, and others, and, he's very probably one > of the two above divers. I doubt he's a danger to much of anyone, but he does strike me as a bit of a fool. He's most certainly not in line with the belief that adequate hydration reduces the risk of DCS.
> Sorry that he's your pal, but, if you've related his advice accurately, > you need to check on -anything- he says. You got that one right.
> You'll get used to, er, "flushing" your suit at the end of a dive (and > see everyone else do it), and you'll notice most divers don't tuck wetsuit > legs into booties. :-) I don't wear a wetsuit often and suspect I probably peed in mine every time I did. I rinse my wetsuit along with everything else that goes diving with me, but don't recall giveing the wetsuit special attention or that it smelled particularly bad as a result. I alway hang it up to dry, so it may be the air drying that helps. My dive skin, which I wear on almost all dives, and pee in on most of the dives, is the only thing I can think of that needed washing because it smelled bad. I tend to stuff it in my dive bag while it's still wet. I suspect that's more of a reason for the smell than the odor of urine.
> It also gives you a reason to -buy- your own wetsuit... 8^)
> You'll find booties are the worst, leave 'em to soak in a tub. Not wearing booties is a better solution . . . for us warm water wimps.
Lee
Chuck - 18 Sep 2006 04:54 GMT Wet suit is both a noun and a verb, enjoy
~Chuck
>> Here is a scuba non technical question. >> My instructor said that is recommended not to feel bad about peeing in [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > You'll find booties are the worst, leave 'em to soak in a tub. -hh - 19 Sep 2006 12:09 GMT > You'll hear this forever: > > "There are two kinds of divers. Those that pee in their wetsuits, and > those that lie about it". Well, I actually have a wetsuit that hasn't been "baptized" yet.
Of course, it is new, and it hasn't yet been on a dive, either.
> Your old DM friend who says not to drink before diving, besides being a > dipshit, is a danger to himself, and others, and, he's very probably one of > the two above divers. My rule of thumb is that smelly urine = potential dehydratration risk.
-hh
PS:
If by some amazing coincidence, you've gotten a bit too warm in your wetsuit, a good way to cool off without unzipping anything is to hydrodynamically force a water exchange inside your suit.
To do this during a dive, go ~45 degrees head down (legs up) take a finger and pull open the neck seal, then tuck your chin and give a good exhale into the suit. It takes a few tries the first time to get the air exhaust under the wetsuit, but you'll know when you got it right: you're putting an air bubble inside the wetsuit. As the air burbles through your suit and out your leg(s) to escape, it hydrodynamically takes some the current water with it out of the suit, which then pulls in cool replacement water to replace it. Don't do this when there's jellyfish around :-)
west - 17 Sep 2006 20:19 GMT > Here is a scuba non technical question. > My instructor said that is recommended not to feel bad about peeing in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What's you opinion guys ? Pee away!
Lee Bell - 17 Sep 2006 21:56 GMT > What's you opinion guys ? I suppose there's somebody in this world that can, and does resist the urge to pee in his or her wetsuit. That somebody is not me.
Lee
SpringDiver - 17 Sep 2006 22:07 GMT >Here is a scuba non technical question. >My instructor said that is recommended not to feel bad about peeing in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >What's you opinion guys ? Tina
Here's a Dan ref about diuresis. http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/medical/faq/faq.asp?faqid=165 Stick the suit in the camera rinse tank on the boat. That 'ill take care of it. No, no. Just kidding. Douche the suit out a your earliest convenience. Fresh water of course. Pee is sterile Tina. You could have worse stuff on your wet suit. Now if it's a rental, forget it. Let someone like me wash it. I love washing pee out of wet suits. A tank of fresh water with a little Joy. Washy, Washy, turn it inside out and hang it up. All done, pee gone.
" What size suit did you need?"
SD
nospam@all.please.net - 17 Sep 2006 22:50 GMT > My instructor, female with about 1000 dives, I think tries to go the > safe, conservative and healthy route and even though she is female, she > ignores the bad image that can give to others urinating in the wet > suit. She told us to immediately wash our suit and it will be fine. > > What's you opinion guys ? Get a wetsuit that zips in the front. You can more easily flush it out while diving.
Tina - 18 Sep 2006 00:49 GMT > > My instructor, female with about 1000 dives, I think tries to go the > > safe, conservative and healthy route and even though she is female, she [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Get a wetsuit that zips in the front. You can more easily flush > it out while diving. For some reason, all the suits in the store zipped in the back. I casually asked them why because it is a pain to zip it all the way and I stupidly needed help to unzip it from the top, and they just said that it is mostly what they sell nowadays. I guess is for the looks..? I checked in the brand web site and the only one with zipper in the front is a thin wetsuit for tropical water temp. Anyway it is a good idea but I already got the suit with the zip back
:- ( Al Wells - 18 Sep 2006 01:10 GMT > For some reason, all the suits in the store zipped in the back. I > casually asked them why because it is a pain to zip it all the way and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Anyway it is a good idea but I already got the suit with the zip back > :- ( I have a custom made front zip, and I can unzip and pee, but I'm a boy.
My drysuit has a P valve.
Back zip suits are easier to get into and out of.
David In NH - 18 Sep 2006 01:27 GMT > Back zip suits are easier to get into and out of. They also can be warmer because you aren't pumping cold water in through the front.
Limey - 18 Sep 2006 14:01 GMT >> > My instructor, female with about 1000 dives, I think tries to go the >> > safe, conservative and healthy route and even though she is female, she [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Anyway it is a good idea but I already got the suit with the zip back > :- ( Doesn't it have a leash on the zipper to help you zip/ unzip it behind? Mine does, and how warm the water is helps determine how far I zip it up. I can pull my neck seal and a leg and have a rather thorough 'in-water rinse' just about anytime during a dive.
Dave.
Magilla - 19 Sep 2006 00:34 GMT Too much worry about a little pee inside the wetsuit.
Urine and sweat are about the same thing chemically, so, why worry? That's why a good rinse or shower after diving and before a date are a good thing, as with any other outdoor sport.
Think I peed mine a dozen times in the over 6 hours I wore it this weekend, just removed it in the water inside out, rinsed it for sand and smell, then hung it up to dry. If it stinks next dive, so what, it's my stink, and I'm in it to go diving, not to enter a beauty contest.
Hey Al, tell them a guy removing a drysuit with a pee valve that didn't leak still smells as bad or worse. :-)
Curtis
last dive 16 Sep 06, 57 FFW max for 127 minutes, 73 deg.
Al Wells - 19 Sep 2006 18:23 GMT > Hey Al, tell them a guy removing a drysuit with a pee valve that didn't > leak still smells as bad or worse. :-) That's the truth.
> Curtis > > last dive 16 Sep 06, 57 FFW max for 127 minutes, 73 deg. Next dives: 10/13-10/22, Yucatan (land of 77 degree water in 20 ft deep caves that go forever)
Tina - 19 Sep 2006 04:15 GMT > >> > My instructor, female with about 1000 dives, I think tries to go the > >> > safe, conservative and healthy route and even though she is female, she [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Dave. It has a little one and that's not help much. It is easier to zip it up than unzip it. Plus how can you even try to unzip it with the BCD behind ??? I can't barely move.. But my legs have long zippers and this helps.
Limey - 19 Sep 2006 18:16 GMT >> > For some reason, all the suits in the store zipped in the back. I >> > casually asked them why because it is a pain to zip it all the way and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > It has a little one and that's not help much. It is easier to zip it up > than unzip it. My shoulders. amongst other parts, are all screwed up. Mebbe they rotate *farther* than they should rather than less, like I thought? ;)
> Plus how can you even try to unzip it with the BCD behind ??? I can't > barely move.. Why would you want to unzip with yer bc on???
> But my legs have long zippers and this helps. Sounds good to me.
LD.
ajtessier - 18 Sep 2006 00:11 GMT I have found "Simple Green" great for washing a smelly wet suit, I mix a small amount with water and soak my suit in a large storage container. Drink plenty of water and avoid coffee. If you drink plenty of water your urine will be almost clear and have very little odor. If you drink three cups of coffee and a glass of orange juice like I do your suit will smell so bad even you won't want to handle it.
Al Bottoms Up Divers
> Here is a scuba non technical question. > My instructor said that is recommended not to feel bad about peeing in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What's you opinion guys ? Lee Bell - 18 Sep 2006 01:59 GMT > If you drink three cups of coffee and a glass of orange juice like I do > your suit will smell so bad even you won't want to handle it. Stay away from asparagus.
Lee
ajtessier - 19 Sep 2006 01:07 GMT You don't have to worry about that, asparagus sounds way to healthy for my body!
Al Bottoms Up Divers
>> If you drink three cups of coffee and a glass of orange juice like I do >> your suit will smell so bad even you won't want to handle it. > > Stay away from asparagus. > > Lee Tina - 19 Sep 2006 04:07 GMT > > If you drink three cups of coffee and a glass of orange juice like I do > > your suit will smell so bad even you won't want to handle it. > > Stay away from asparagus. > > Lee what's going on with asparagus ? they are good !
Lee Bell - 19 Sep 2006 04:15 GMT >>> If you drink three cups of coffee and a glass of orange juice like I do >>> your suit will smell so bad even you won't want to handle it.
>> Stay away from asparagus.
> what's going on with asparagus ? they are good ! Hot damn, I get to tell someone who doesn't know.
I've loved asparagus all my life. Mostly it was canned asparagus, more recently, steamed fresh asparagus. One day, my wife mentioned that asparagus gives your pee an exceptionally strong smell. I kind of scoffed, but I remembered her words and, sure enough, it does give pee a powerful, and not real pleasant, aroma.
If you're going to eat asparagus, do it after your dive. Your wetsuit. and your nose, will thank you for it.
Lee
Magilla - 19 Sep 2006 04:20 GMT > If you're going to eat asparagus, do it after your dive. Your wetsuit. > and your nose, will thank you for it. But I wonder if it will deter ticks and mosquitos?
(Guess your favorite dive sites don't have those problems)
Curtis
dechucka - 19 Sep 2006 08:26 GMT >> If you're going to eat asparagus, do it after your dive. Your wetsuit. >> and your nose, will thank you for it. > > But I wonder if it will deter ticks and mosquitos? > > (Guess your favorite dive sites don't have those problems) at my dive sites the ticks and mosquitoes drown as they can't breath underwater
Lee Bell - 19 Sep 2006 11:41 GMT >> If you're going to eat asparagus, do it after your dive. Your wetsuit. >> and your nose, will thank you for it.
> But I wonder if it will deter ticks and mosquitos? That's no way to talk about those folks you dive with.
Damned if I know. I'm sure, however, that it will deter humans.
> (Guess your favorite dive sites don't have those problems) You guess correctly.
Lee
nospam@all.please.net - 19 Sep 2006 06:27 GMT
> I've loved asparagus all my life. Mostly it was canned asparagus, more > recently, steamed fresh asparagus. One day, my wife mentioned that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Lee Have you tried the white? (Spargel/King of Vegetables)
Very tasty.
Lee Bell - 19 Sep 2006 11:39 GMT > Have you tried the white? (Spargel/King of Vegetables) I'm not sure I've even seen it. I check with the wife.
Lee
Tina - 20 Sep 2006 02:15 GMT > > I've loved asparagus all my life. Mostly it was canned asparagus, more > > recently, steamed fresh asparagus. One day, my wife mentioned that [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Very tasty. Didn't know about the asparagus's pee thing.. :- (
But white (can) asparagus are the best, fat, tender and juicy.. tell your wife, you gotta to try them Lee.
nospam@all.please.net - 20 Sep 2006 02:51 GMT >> > I've loved asparagus all my life. Mostly it was canned asparagus, more >> > recently, steamed fresh asparagus. One day, my wife mentioned that [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > But white (can) asparagus are the best, fat, tender > and juicy.. tell your wife, you gotta to try them Lee. German cuisine *is* hard to beat.
Grumman-581 - 21 Sep 2006 19:57 GMT > German cuisine *is* hard to beat. So, beer is now considered "cuisine"? OK... Works for me...
Dillon Pyron - 22 Sep 2006 20:31 GMT >> German cuisine *is* hard to beat. > >So, beer is now considered "cuisine"? OK... Works for me... I'll drink to that.
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nospam@all.please.net - 23 Sep 2006 00:25 GMT >>> German cuisine *is* hard to beat. >> >>So, beer is now considered "cuisine"? OK... Works for me... > > I'll drink to that. Me too. While beer is definitely food, Germans have a lot more to offer the epicure.
Grumman-581 - 24 Sep 2006 10:35 GMT > Me too. While beer is definitely food, Germans have a lot more to > offer the epicure. Although I like their beer, I'll pass on their food... I figure that any culture that could come up with something like sauerkraut definitely wasn't worth pursuing for non-liquid nourishment...
VK - 19 Sep 2006 09:52 GMT > Hot damn, I get to tell someone who doesn't know. Hell, I didnt know that (but then, I try not to eat green vegetables. Something living must die for me to have a satisfying meal). Learn something new everyday!
On a side note - last year, we were between dives, moving to the next dive site about 20 min away, when this girl on the boat said she needed to pee. With a straight face, I told her to go in her full-length wetsuit on the boat - and she did. Ah, that was priceless... :)
V.
dechucka - 19 Sep 2006 09:53 GMT >> Hot damn, I get to tell someone who doesn't know. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to pee. With a straight face, I told her to go in her full-length > wetsuit on the boat - and she did. Ah, that was priceless... :) why?
Lee Bell - 19 Sep 2006 11:37 GMT > Hell, I didnt know that (but then, I try not to eat green vegetables. > Something living must die for me to have a satisfying meal). Learn > something new everyday! Well hell, have I got a treat for you. Asparagus comes from a living plant. Like you, some kind of ainimal life has to expire for my plate to be appropriately filled, but I'm an equal opportunity killer. Dead plants have a place on my plate as well. They are killed using an appropriate weapon. Guns are not necessary. I wonder if golf clubs or a hockey stick would work.
> On a side note - last year, we were between dives, moving to the next > dive site about 20 min away, when this girl on the boat said she needed > to pee. With a straight face, I told her to go in her full-length > wetsuit on the boat - and she did. Ah, that was priceless... :) How embarrassing.
We occasionally tie up the boat at some dock during the summer months. It's not unusual for us to be a substantial distance from the nearest shore bathroom. Since it's illegal to dump the head anywhere near shore, we try not to fill it when we are. One trip, nature was calling during a particularly hot day. I picked up the hose and turned on the water to cool down. Later, when my wife mentioned she needed to go, but didn't want to walk to the bathroom, I responded "what do you suppose I was doing while showering in the hose?" Ever since, she's felt a regular need to cool down on hot days.
Lee
VK - 19 Sep 2006 13:59 GMT > We occasionally tie up the boat at some dock during the summer months. It's > not unusual for us to be a substantial distance from the nearest shore [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > showering in the hose?" Ever since, she's felt a regular need to cool down > on hot days. Ours is distinctly low tech: stop the boat, jump in the water. :)
V.
Lee Bell - 19 Sep 2006 16:01 GMT > Ours is distinctly low tech: stop the boat, jump in the water. :) You really don't want to do that in some marinas.
Lee
Dillon Pyron - 21 Sep 2006 23:41 GMT >> Ours is distinctly low tech: stop the boat, jump in the water. :) > >You really don't want to do that in some marinas. > >Lee I was going to say sure until I saw your comment. I agree entirely.
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Limey - 20 Sep 2006 12:47 GMT >> Hell, I didnt know that (but then, I try not to eat green vegetables. >> Something living must die for me to have a satisfying meal). Learn [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > weapon. Guns are not necessary. I wonder if golf clubs or a hockey stick > would work. I certainly kill plenty of plant life any time I grab my golf clubs.
LD.
Limey - 19 Sep 2006 18:18 GMT >>>> If you drink three cups of coffee and a glass of orange juice like I do >>>> your suit will smell so bad even you won't want to handle it. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > If you're going to eat asparagus, do it after your dive. Your wetsuit. > and your nose, will thank you for it. .....not to mention yer buddies!
LD.
Joe English - 19 Sep 2006 12:59 GMT >>>If you drink three cups of coffee and a glass of orange juice like I do >>>your suit will smell so bad even you won't want to handle it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > what's going on with asparagus ? they are good ! supposedly, (I've heard) it adds a rather acrid bitter taste, and smell
Lee Bell - 19 Sep 2006 16:02 GMT >> what's going on with asparagus ? they are good !
> supposedly, (I've heard) it adds a rather acrid bitter taste, and smell Taste? Yuk !
dechucka - 18 Sep 2006 01:15 GMT > Here is a scuba non technical question. > My instructor said that is recommended not to feel bad about peeing in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What's you opinion guys ? it's a good way of warming your wet suit up.
Open the top of your wet suit pull the top out and let a whole heap of water in just before you exit the water and it will flush the evidence away.
news - 19 Sep 2006 03:01 GMT > Here is a scuba non technical question. > My instructor said that is recommended not to feel bad about peeing in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What's you opinion guys ? Urine is sterile and is abour 95% water, 2.5% urea, and the rest is a mixture of minerals, salt, hormones and enzymes. You can actually find urea in many skin care products.
Lee Bell - 19 Sep 2006 03:19 GMT > You can actually find urea in many skin care products. That explains all the dick heads.
Lee
Scott - 19 Sep 2006 03:21 GMT > > You can actually find urea in many skin care products. > > That explains all the dick heads. <cough>
And chicks with wrinkle free skin...
Seems there is a higher concentration in Canadian products.
Al Wells - 19 Sep 2006 13:06 GMT > Urine is sterile and is abour 95% water, 2.5% urea, and the rest is a > mixture of minerals, salt, hormones and enzymes. You can actually find urea > in many skin care products. It is sterile when it comes out of you, but bacteria grows in it pretty quickly.
I had a female doctor friend who was involved in a study of winos. They noticed that many of them had skin that appered to be well cared for on their legs and feet.
Matthias Voss - 19 Sep 2006 10:09 GMT > Here is a scuba non technical question. > My instructor said that is recommended not to feel bad about peeing in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What's you opinion guys ? Why should guys be different?
Matthias
PS: because we don't know how to operate a washing machine?
SpringDiver - 19 Sep 2006 12:46 GMT >Here is a scuba non technical question. >My instructor said that is recommended not to feel bad about peeing in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >What's you opinion guys ? A little off topic. I once took a group of ladies (12) out to scratch the Manatees. I found a couple and got them all in the water. They had a blast. Manatees seem to love women. I don't know why.
After a couple of hours, I got them back on the boat and as the water was draining from their suits, the whole boat began to wreak of piss. Not unusual for any trip. I started the motor and pulled the anchor. As I walked back to the helm I said laughingly, "Wow, I do believe someone has had an accident on my boat. That's what the tip jar's for ladies, you know the guy that's got clean the boat". Five seconds of quiet followed. As we neared the dock, they were all passing money around and it wound up in the leaders hands. Fifteen minutes later we tied up and I helped each passenger get off, the leader handed me a wad of dough and said, "This is from all of us. Thanks for the great trip you crazy man you".
SD
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