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Scott - 09 Sep 2006 07:12 GMT
http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/ap_lobster_pain_050214.html
mike gray - 09 Sep 2006 20:20 GMT
> http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/ap_lobster_pain_050214.html

How timely. My bugs won't be boiled.

I tailed the lobsters I caught this morning at the dock, just to
save them the apprehension of being boiled.

We'll put em on the grille with a little lemon, butter, and
garlic this evening.

Tell PETA I'm a nice guy.

And in Maine, they don't really boil em, they steam em.
Mike from Ottawa - 09 Sep 2006 20:48 GMT
>> http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/ap_lobster_pain_050214.html
>>
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>
>And in Maine, they don't really boil em, they steam em.

Depends on which PETA.  I endorse this one...
http://www.mtd.com/tasty/

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Mike from Ottawa
Lee Bell - 10 Sep 2006 05:17 GMT
> Depends on which PETA.  I endorse this one...
> http://www.mtd.com/tasty/

Way cool.  I put it in my favorites at least until I can check out the
hunting links.

Lee
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Lee Bell - 10 Sep 2006 05:11 GMT
> How timely. My bugs won't be boiled. I tailed the lobsters I caught this
> morning at the dock, just to save them the apprehension
> of being boiled. We'll put em on the grille with a little lemon, butter,
> and garlic this evening. Tell PETA I'm a nice guy.

I have to wonder if the PETA people really think it's OK to twist them in
half while they're still alive, but not to boil, or steam them while they're
still alive.

As for being able to feel pain, I find it hard to believe they don't.  I
mean they don't thrash around much in the tank at the Red Lobster and they
do thrash around a bit in the pot of boiling water.  What possible reason,
other than feeling pain, could there be.

Lee
Al Wells - 10 Sep 2006 13:18 GMT
> I have to wonder if the PETA people really think it's OK to twist them in
> half while they're still alive, but not to boil, or steam them while they're
> still alive.

The PETA people don't want you to twist them in half either. They want
you to leave them on the bottom and eat tofu.
Lee Bell - 10 Sep 2006 14:39 GMT
> The PETA people don't want you to twist them in half either. They want
> you to leave them on the bottom and eat tofu.

Sorry.  God disagrees.

Lee
mike gray - 10 Sep 2006 17:19 GMT
>>I have to wonder if the PETA people really think it's OK to twist them in
>>half while they're still alive, but not to boil, or steam them while they're
>>still alive.
>
> The PETA people don't want you to twist them in half either. They want
> you to leave them on the bottom and eat tofu.

Eat tofu?!?!?

I'd rather be twisted in half!
Scott - 10 Sep 2006 15:41 GMT
> > How timely. My bugs won't be boiled. I tailed the lobsters I caught this
> > morning at the dock, just to save them the apprehension
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> do thrash around a bit in the pot of boiling water.  What possible reason,
> other than feeling pain, could there be.

The docs say there is no nervous system infrastructure for pain.

I had a girlfriend once that wouldnt eat one because she thought it screamed
when it hit the boiling water.

I tried explaining that it had no lungs or vocal cords, but...
Lee Bell - 10 Sep 2006 17:40 GMT
>> As for being able to feel pain, I find it hard to believe they don't.  I
>> mean they don't thrash around much in the tank at the Red Lobster and
>> they
>> do thrash around a bit in the pot of boiling water.  What possible
>> reason,
>> other than feeling pain, could there be.

> The docs say there is no nervous system infrastructure for pain.

Yeah, I read the article.  I just don't buy it.  They clearly have some
ability to feel something.  You can't hunt them without knowing that for
sure and, while it may not be pain, as we experience it, if they didn't feel
something, their reaction to hot water would be no different from their
reaction to other water.  If they feel something, how would the docs know
whether it's pain or not?

> I had a girlfriend once that wouldnt eat one because she thought it
> screamed when it hit the boiling water.
> I tried explaining that it had no lungs or vocal cords, but...

For the last 40 or so years of her life, my mother wouldn't eat them because
we brought them home alive once and twisted the tails in the kitchen.  I
don't know how them made the noise, but they do make a kind of eek, eek
sound until they die.  She heard it and lost her appetite for them forever.
No problem, that left more for me.

Lee
TonyP - 11 Sep 2006 21:50 GMT
> For the last 40 or so years of her life, my mother wouldn't eat them because
> we brought them home alive once and twisted the tails in the kitchen.  I
> don't know how them made the noise, but they do make a kind of eek, eek
> sound until they die.  She heard it and lost her appetite for them forever.
> No problem, that left more for me.

I have yet to hear a lobster (the ones with claws up here in the North
East) make any kind of noise. They don't thrash around in the water
(boiling hot) but do try to crawl on a grill (the best way to cook
them). I would think that they would feel something. But hey... so does
everything that we eat. Each has an reaction to something, even plants.
I'll still take my lobsters grilled. Steamed is "ok", but grilled with
hardwood charcoal rocks!
Rod - 10 Sep 2006 19:54 GMT
>> > How timely. My bugs won't be boiled. I tailed the lobsters I caught this
>> > morning at the dock, just to save them the apprehension
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>I tried explaining that it had no lungs or vocal cords, but...

I always tell people the lobster screams in pain and trashes around in
the boiling water. I figure if I turn enough people off then the
demand/price will come down.
Dillon Pyron - 11 Sep 2006 19:22 GMT
>http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/ap_lobster_pain_050214.html

Oh yeah, as if the HSUS doesn't have their own agenda.  The scientist
quoted is just as biased as the Maine researchers, except for the fact
that he's wrong and they're right.
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