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Scuba Forum / General / September 2006RIP-Crocodile Hunter
Steve Irwin, AKA, Crocodile Hunter has died. http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/825901 >Steve Irwin, AKA, Crocodile Hunter has died. > >http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/825901 How do you manage to get killed by a sting ray ? >>Steve Irwin, AKA, Crocodile Hunter has died. >> >>http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/825901 > > How do you manage to get killed by a sting ray ? From what I have read, he caught the tail barb right in the chest (heart area). > >Steve Irwin, AKA, Crocodile Hunter has died. > > > >http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/825901 > > > How do you manage to get killed by a sting ray ? pissing the stingray off.. I bet is on film so we might see it one day. This was an accident waiting to happen. No surprises. He is famous by getting too close to wildlife, hence his enormous popularity with his shows. It has nothing to do with the stingray. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5311298.stm "Stingrays only sting in defence, they're not aggressive animals so the animal must have felt threatened. It didn't sting out of aggression, it stung out of fear," Dr Bryan Fry, Deputy Director of the Australian Venom Research Unit at the University of Melbourne said. > > >Steve Irwin, AKA, Crocodile Hunter has died. > > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > pissing the stingray off.. I bet is on film so we might see it one day. My first thought, too, but I'll give the guy a break until I know otherwise. Hopefully, it wasn't intentionally provoked, since that would compound the tragedy for his loved ones. In one of the televised video clips of stingrays that accompanied this story, a ray could be seen swimming in shallow water unmolested except by the helicopter shooting the video overhead from a good distance away. Suddenly, the ray got spooked for no other apparent reason, and, in a split second, it whipped its tail up and forward, piercing the surface like a spear. It was an impressive defensive move. Still, it's certainly a freak accident that Erwin's hit was fatal. > This was an accident waiting to happen. No surprises. He is famous by > getting too close to wildlife, hence his enormous popularity with his > shows. It has nothing to do with the stingray. Agree completely. Using wildlife as props. Too bad. > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5311298.stm > > "Stingrays only sting in defence, they're not aggressive animals so the > animal must have felt threatened. It didn't sting out of aggression, it > stung out of fear," Dr Bryan Fry, Deputy Director of the Australian > Venom Research Unit at the University of Melbourne said. Perhaps they're highly defensive under certain conditions or easily triggered, though. It will be interesting to get the whole story. Dave C >> >Steve Irwin, AKA, Crocodile Hunter has died. >> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > pissing the stingray off.. I bet is on film so we might see it one day. it is on film, the cameraman took him back to the main boat snip > it is on film, the cameraman took him back to the main boat From what I've read, the stinger / barbs on the stingray can grow up to 12 inches long and are serrated so that they also cause quite a bit of damage coming out... Interestingly, this was supposed to be milder stuff for a children's show that he does with his daughter... Hmmm... For some reason, I don't think that this particular video clip is going to be on the children's show... Of course, if he had been DIR, he would have been wearing a stainless steel breastplate in addition to a stainless steel backplate... Thus obviously he was a stroke and the DIR mantra of imminent deaths of non-DIR divers is proven... <sick-grin> > > it is on film, the cameraman took him back to the main boat > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > was a stroke and the DIR mantra of imminent deaths of non-DIR divers is > proven... <sick-grin> >From bbc: "Irwin's manager has confirmed that the incident was caught on video, and that the tape is now being reviewed by Queensland police." "The tape apparently shows Mr Irwin pulling the barb left by a stingray's tail from his chest moments before his death." ouch >> > it is on film, the cameraman took him back to the main boat >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > stingray's tail from his chest moments before his death." > ouch You not remove an object causing a penetrating wound > >>From bbc: > > "Irwin's manager has confirmed that the incident was caught on video, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You not remove an object causing a penetrating wound Yes, you are right and I am sure he knew it too, but maybe he panic afraid of the poison? In any case, the manta probably would have pull it out anyway. It would have been lucky to have the buddy close by with a knife to cut it but I am sure everything was too fast.. >> >>From bbc: >> > "Irwin's manager has confirmed that the incident was caught on video, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > It would have been lucky to have the buddy close by with a knife to cut > it but I am sure everything was too fast.. IF he got it through the heart than it would have made little difference. MANTA???? How long have you been diving??? >>Yes, you are right and I am sure he knew it too, but maybe he panic >>afraid of the poison? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > IF he got it through the heart than it would have made little difference. > MANTA???? > > How long have you been diving??? actually I didn't notice the "manta" to answer your question 25 years or so and to ask a question , How long have you been top posting >>>Yes, you are right and I am sure he knew it too, but maybe he panic >>>afraid of the poison? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> IF he got it through the heart than it would have made little difference. > You not remove an object causing a penetrating wound And anyone who has ever had a slow leak because of a nail in their tire could tell you... >> You not remove an object causing a penetrating wound > > And anyone who has ever had a slow leak because of a nail in their tire > could tell you... err, but with insect- or other poisinous animal bites or stings you shouldn't leave the penetrating object in due to possible continuous poison injection into your body. For example the very common bee-sting (along with the puncturing part of the bee (I'm sorry, I'm not natively english speaking) also a little blatter with muscle tissue is left behind, continuing to inject venom into your body for up to several minutes, thus multiplying several times the initial injected dosis venom. Some rare snakes do the same if one of their teeth break off (or better said: get ripped out of their mouth). The bleeding that occurs when removing that object also has a cleening effect in relation to the poison or other contaminations of the wound. The rule generally applies to rather big foreig objects punturing the body and is intended to prevent heavily bleeding when no medical help is available to prevent or stop that heavy (internal) bleeding. As soon as a properly equipped medical professional is at the scene, or more likely, the patient is moved to the properly equipped medical professional (often requires operating room conditions and instrumentation) the idea is to remove the foreign object as fast and safely as possible. Frank >>> You not remove an object causing a penetrating wound >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Frank and it's OK to remove splinters. >>>>it is on film, the cameraman took him back to the main boat >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > You not remove an object causing a penetrating wound Didn't matter here, me thinks. He may have done it instictively. Once I saw a tic in my arm, while awakening from slumber. I grabbed and pulled it out without thinking. Bad move. But when you imagine the blodpressure in the heart, when swimming, say 170++ mmHg ( 7"Hg), or 2,3mwater column, any heartpenetrating wound would cause the heart muscle to expel the blood into the open wound/surrounding tissues. Then, ray barbs are lined with sawtooth-like spines and poisonous tissue. I don't know wether this poison could trigger immediate cardiac arrest, but hold it likely. Another death cause could be a vagous nerve shock. Matthias >>>>>it is on film, the cameraman took him back to the main boat >>>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Matthias totally agree with your comments, not removing wouldn't have saved his life if the reports are correct. MY comments were more an inprinciple one ie speargun spears etc should not be removed > totally agree with your comments, not removing wouldn't have saved his life > if the reports are correct. MY comments were more an inprinciple one ie > speargun spears etc should not be removed The instinctive reaction is to remove such a thing from sticking in your body... Unfortunately, it often hurts more coming out than it did going in... Like when you step on a board with a nail and it goes in your foot... You pick up your foot and the board is still attached... It definitely hurts more coming out than it did going in... Probably because it comes out slower... Possibly because the first pain was a surprise and the second pain you basically know what it going to happen... I was shot with a field arrow once... It went between the two bones in my left forearm... The instinctive reaction was to yank it out... Now, if it had been some sort of barbed blade, I would have probably been very quickly sorry for that decision... >> totally agree with your comments, not removing wouldn't have saved his > life [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > reaction was to yank it out... Now, if it had been some sort of barbed > blade, I would have probably been very quickly sorry for that decision... and if had hit something vital and removing it caused damage you may be dead. Yes the instinctive thing is to remove it but the better thing is to leave it in place and apply pressure around it to stop the bleeding. You can cut it down if it is absolutly necessary but better to leave well alone and get medical attention asap > and if had hit something vital and removing it caused damage you may be > dead. Yes the instinctive thing is to remove it but the better thing is to > leave it in place and apply pressure around it to stop the bleeding. You can > cut it down if it is absolutly necessary but better to leave well alone and > get medical attention asap I'm not disputing that, but quite often, you just don't think that far ahead... It's kind of like, "Oh sh.t! What the f.ck is this? It's not supposed to be sticking in me! Need to get it out!"... So far, my own *luck* has been that all the various objects that have significantly penetrated my body (nails, arrow, bullet) have not hit major blood vessels or organs such that the immediate removal resulted in an increase in the immediate danger... OK, technically, I didn't remove the bullet, but then again, neither did the doctor at the clinic that I went to... >>Steve Irwin, AKA, Crocodile Hunter has died. >> >>http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/825901 >> >How do you manage to get killed by a sting ray ? I can only guess that he impaled himself while swimming over a bed of the rays. Perhaps one of them raised its tail and he ran into it. Or he was playing with it and it flipped him just right. I've never seen one (stingray) swim backwards.Some rays have bards that would abrade a would be attacker, but I can't imagine how he would have positioned himself to catch one long enough in the chest. Weird event to say the least. I read somewhere that there are only three recorded deaths by stingray. You've seen Steve in action before though. He had a habit of fondling potentially dangerous creatures. While diving in Curacao, I've encountered stingrays that had tails that looked to be maybe three feet long. So long that they seemed to drag on the ocean floor as they swam. Beautiful animals, I must say. R.I.P Steve Irwin He new the risk but he was damn good. I loved to watch him all the time & he will be missed. Tony >>>Steve Irwin, AKA, Crocodile Hunter has died. >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > that looked to be maybe three feet long. So long that they seemed to > drag on the ocean floor as they swam. Beautiful animals, I must say. >R.I.P Steve Irwin >He new the risk but he was damn good. I loved to watch him all the time & he >will be missed. >Tony <snip> >> You've seen Steve in action before though. He had a habit of fondling >> potentially dangerous creatures. >> >> While diving in Curacao, I've encountered stingrays that had tails >> that looked to be maybe three feet long. So long that they seemed to >> drag on the ocean floor as they swam. Beautiful animals, I must say. Reports I've seen say he was snorkelling over the ray when it raised its tail and the sting went through his heart. Crikey, no chance. Oddly enough, I saw a report say "stingray attack," when the ray more than likely felt threatened. Never heard of a ray attacking anyone. Irwin had a habit of getting too close to wild animals. --- Mike from Ottawa >>Steve Irwin, AKA, Crocodile Hunter has died. >> >>http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/825901 > > How do you manage to get killed by a sting ray ? I heard it stung him in the chest and hit his heart (actually read not heard) > Steve Irwin, AKA, Crocodile Hunter has died. > > http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/825901 Sad news indeed. His young family must be in terrible shock. One thing that I noticed in all his adventures, he knew the behavior of the animals he was dealing with. But, he did always say that these were wild animals and could be unpredictable. I've never approached a ray from the rear or swam over the top of them. Always from the front and side. And, never too close. But Steve looked for the interaction, and this time, he got more than he was looking for. A terrible way to go. > A terrible way to go. From what I've read, it was probably pretty quick and as such would not have all that terrible, at least compared to some of the other possibilities that he might have encountered in his career... I would have put odds on him ending up as croc food which I suspect would be a more "terrible" way to go than a single barb to the heart... Oh well, as I always say, "Live fast, die young, leave a cute widow"... >> A terrible way to go. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Oh well, as I always say, "Live fast, die young, leave a cute widow"... "leave me a cute widow"  Signaturedillon If you can't figure out how to unmunge my address, email me and I'll explain it. >Steve Irwin, AKA, Crocodile Hunter has died. What a tragic loss for the animal community. Say what you want about his behavior, one thing he never wavered on was his passion and love for animals and for their conservation. What a freakish way to go. What's next now? Bullet proof BCs? Can't use Kevlar® as that's useless when wet. A metal plate on the chest? Hmmmmmmm. Funny, didn't see on ray while on vacation in Bora Bora last week. The mantas I saw last year at Toopua are gone. There were a few eagle rays but none that I saw. Of course, the first diving party that went right after I began my 24hr flight moratorium saw 4 eagle rays. Uggh. Anyway, my sincere condolences to the Irwin family. I hope Bindi or little Bob takes over the park eventually, and I hope they continue the show her father was filming for when he was stung. ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold > Anyway, my sincere condolences to the Irwin family. I hope Bindi or little Bob takes over the > park eventually, Hope so, too. That's what park plugs are for, finally. Matthias >>Steve Irwin, AKA, Crocodile Hunter has died. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What a freakish way to go. What's next now? Bullet proof BCs? Can't use Kevlar® as that's > useless when wet. A metal plate on the chest? Hmmmmmmm. Nah....ban stingrays. Require the registration of all sting rays. What we need are more stingray laws and stingray control. >>>Steve Irwin, AKA, Crocodile Hunter has died. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Nah....ban stingrays. Require the registration of all sting rays. What we > need are more stingray laws and stingray control. he would have been OK but he was PADI trained ;-( > Nah....ban stingrays. Require the registration of all sting rays. What > we need are more stingray laws and stingray control. Bullshit. We don't need any more new goddamn stingray laws. We need to enforce our existing stingray laws. SignatureEvery normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H.L. Mencken > > Nah....ban stingrays. Require the registration of all sting rays. What > > we need are more stingray laws and stingray control. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > H.L. Mencken How about sending the stingrays to PADI class ? >> > Nah....ban stingrays. Require the registration of all sting rays. What >> > we need are more stingray laws and stingray control. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > How about sending the stingrays to PADI class ? why? I know so they all drown >> > Nah....ban stingrays. Require the registration of all sting rays. What >> > we need are more stingray laws and stingray control. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > How about sending the stingrays to PADI class ? No, send them to a DAN Hazardous Marine Life Injuries-class and learn them to treat the wound, carry a bottle of vinegar and some stitching gear and says sorry to anybody that they've stung, after a camera-team was beneath him and a freak diver with buddy-cameraman tried to almost ride it! Frank Hi Heard this on the radio today: "Irwin fans 'in revenge attacks' Stingrays have been found dead on two Queensland beaches Dead stingrays with their tails cut off have been found in Australia, sparking concern that fans of naturalist Steve Irwin may be avenging his death." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/5338118.stm (:-( SignatureBarnacle Bill > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > (:-( Smart bunch, eh? those Aussies! ;) > "Bill" wrotes: > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Smart bunch, eh? those Aussies! > ;) It probably are "smart guys" going around harvesting stingray barbs to sell to unwitting tourists. Within 12 months, there will be more examples of "this is from the very stingray that 'Put Stevie on the Barbi'...$500, please". Just like how there's 'genuine piece of the cross' relics residing in the various churches worldwide: the joke is that if they were all brought together, there would be enough wood to make up the cross, two or three times over. 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