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Eddie - 28 Aug 2006 19:19 GMT
Off on my 65th birthday trip from the UK to Oz, Cook Islands etc. We will
be flying into San Fran
from NZ on the way back to stay with friends.

I have a divers gear bag with loads of pockets etc or a samsonite suitcase
with integral locks. Which would be best?? Or should I buy another case??

Bags are opened for searching on arrival and departure in the USA I hear.

Any advice  would be appreciated!

Eddie
Currently in the UK
Limey - 28 Aug 2006 19:30 GMT
> Off on my 65th birthday trip from the UK to Oz, Cook Islands etc. We will
> be flying into San Fran
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>
> Any advice  would be appreciated!

Others here travel with dive gear and tell you what's best and where to put
it.
As far as locking *anything*. If you don't want it broken, don't lock it.
They can, and will open anything they want to look at.

Limey Dave.
Eddie - 28 Aug 2006 22:21 GMT
> Others here travel with dive gear and tell you what's best and where to
> put it.
> As far as locking *anything*. If you don't want it broken, don't lock it.
> They can, and will open anything they want to look at.
>
> Limey Dave.

Cheers for that!

Expect it is open day for thieving then!  Remember Thiefrow? ;-)))

That being said it is all there for OUR safety

Ed
Ed - 28 Aug 2006 22:44 GMT
my advice.... if it looks like dive gear it's a target.

I have some REALLY OLD junkie looking hard sided suitcases that I use
for my dive gear.  I keep a nice gear bag folded up inside to take to
the boat.     I am not worried about the security people who open them
as much as the baggage monkeys who have access in the back rooms.

>>Others here travel with dive gear and tell you what's best and where to
>>put it.
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>
> Ed
Limey - 29 Aug 2006 04:44 GMT
>> Others here travel with dive gear and tell you what's best and where to
>> put it.
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>
> Cheers for that!

np, but I did mean to say, "Others here travel with dive gear and *can* tell
you what's best and where to
>> put it."  meaning carry on or checked, per particular item.

> Expect it is open day for thieving then!  Remember Thiefrow? ;-)))

Yup. been lucky so far, never brought dive gear there yet though.

> That being said it is all there for OUR safety

Of course.

LD.
SpringDiver - 06 Sep 2006 10:24 GMT
> > Others here travel with dive gear and tell you what's best and where to
> > put it.
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>
> Ed

Wait a minute ED. You don't like; do you? Perhaps you should plan a
trip the south of France.
SpringDiver - 06 Sep 2006 10:30 GMT
> > > Others here travel with dive gear and tell you what's best and where to
> > > put it.
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> Wait a minute ED. You don't like; do you? Perhaps you should plan a
> trip the south of France.

I forgot US. Sorry.
Dillon Pyron - 30 Aug 2006 00:26 GMT
>> Off on my 65th birthday trip from the UK to Oz, Cook Islands etc. We will
>> be flying into San Fran
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>
>Limey Dave.

I've seen them cut off "TSA approved" locks.  I just use colored zip
ties.  At least when I see the zip tie cut off, I know someone has
opened the bag.
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Limey - 30 Aug 2006 02:25 GMT
>>> Off on my 65th birthday trip from the UK to Oz, Cook Islands etc. We
>>> will
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> ties.  At least when I see the zip tie cut off, I know someone has
> opened the bag.

Yup, I've been using zip ties recently too.

LD.
Joe English - 30 Aug 2006 02:38 GMT
>>I've seen them cut off "TSA approved" locks.  I just use colored zip
>>ties.  At least when I see the zip tie cut off, I know someone has
>>opened the bag.

Dillon - you can't tell if someone was in your bag if the lock was cut
off?? :-)
Dillon Pyron - 04 Sep 2006 06:45 GMT
>>>I've seen them cut off "TSA approved" locks.  I just use colored zip
>>>ties.  At least when I see the zip tie cut off, I know someone has
>>>opened the bag.
>
>Dillon - you can't tell if someone was in your bag if the lock was cut
>off?? :-)

I haven't wasted my money on locks since 9/11.

I use colored ties.  The same color on each bag, with a cheap pair of
wire cutters in an outside pocket.  I have a second set of ties, in a
different color, for the return trip.  Somebody would have to have the
foresight to stop off at Home Depot and spend $5.

I used to be that TSA would put their own tie on the bag, now all they
do is put a piece of paper inside that says "we rifled through your
underwear".  When I flew to Sydney last year, they lost a sandal.  And
told me tough because I didn't report it missing until I returned to
Austin, should have done it as soon as it was discovered missing. What
a waste of oxygen.
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JOF - 30 Aug 2006 03:18 GMT
> Yup, I've been using zip ties recently too.

I started using zip ties some years ago but stopped when the tabs all
broke off my dive bag. Then I just stopped using the dive bag figuring
it was just advertising the dive gear to bad guys anyway.

I went to the local Samsonite factory and bought two of the cheapest
hard black cases they make and those became our travel luggage. These
cases don't attract any attention and I don't feel so bad about seeing
the damage to the cheap cases. An added bonus is that the cheap cases
are way lighter than the expensive luggage. It's kind of funny in a
frustrating way that there's less damage to these $90 cases than there
was to the $300 designer cases that are now wasting space in our
basement. I hope I spoiled lots of luggage handlers fun.

Someone else mentioned carrying a boat gearbag for use while on
holiday. I got a couple of nylon string bags with shoulder straps which
are great for dive gear and I can even leave the gear (except the
wetsuit) in the bag to rinse it after the dive.

JF
Limey - 30 Aug 2006 14:25 GMT
>> Yup, I've been using zip ties recently too.
>
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> are great for dive gear and I can even leave the gear (except the
> wetsuit) in the bag to rinse it after the dive.

Yeah, I've *never* travelled by air with dive gear. That's why I told the OP
to get advice elsewhere. I do use zipties on bags now just so it's not so
easy for someone *other* than the people who are supposed to be opening my
bag, to open it. I don't care if they do, and I don't have a lock to replace
*when* they do.

LD.
Greg Mossman - 30 Aug 2006 03:40 GMT
> I've seen them cut off "TSA approved" locks.  I just use colored zip
> ties.  At least when I see the zip tie cut off, I know someone has
> opened the bag.

Not necessarily, given "new" baggage handling procedures.  They (the x-ray
machines, the handlers, whoever) rip sh.t off of all the bags, opened or
not.  I have to replace luggage tags every other trip.  Even the expensive
"indestructible" tags get torn off after a pass or two through "security".
Zip-ties are nothing.
chilly - 30 Aug 2006 05:02 GMT
> > I've seen them cut off "TSA approved" locks.  I just use colored zip
> > ties.  At least when I see the zip tie cut off, I know someone has
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> "indestructible" tags get torn off after a pass or two through "security".
> Zip-ties are nothing.

Zip ties work better for me than my locks ever did.  After locking the zip,
snip off the end.  That helps to slow down the destruction.
Grumman-581 - 30 Aug 2006 06:36 GMT
> Zip ties work better for me than my locks ever did.  After locking the zip,
> snip off the end.  That helps to slow down the destruction.

I just declare a gun in the bag, that way, I *have* to lock the bag...
Dillon Pyron - 04 Sep 2006 06:48 GMT
>> Zip ties work better for me than my locks ever did.  After locking the zip,
>> snip off the end.  That helps to slow down the destruction.
>
>I just declare a gun in the bag, that way, I *have* to lock the bag...

But don't you have to lock "the container", which has to be hardsided.
I once had a fight with the desk clerk, who insisted on putting the
"steal me" tag on the suitcase, instead of the gun box.  I carry a
copy of the rules with me just for such nonsense.
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Grumman-581 - 06 Sep 2006 07:32 GMT
> But don't you have to lock "the container", which has to be hardsided.
> I once had a fight with the desk clerk, who insisted on putting the
> "steal me" tag on the suitcase, instead of the gun box.  I carry a
> copy of the rules with me just for such nonsense.

Yep, gotta lock the hard sided container inside the suitcase also... Back in
the good old days before x-ray machines for baggage, I *never* declared my
firearm because they wanted to put an indicator on the outside of the
luggage to show that there was a firearm in it... Unfortunately, we can't
get away with that now... The way the rules read though, "gun parts" don't
seem to need to be declared, but they won't make a stand on exactly *what*
constitutes "gun parts" vs a "gun" that does need to be declared... As such,
I can take a couple of grip screws and declare them as a firearm and thus
lock my luggage... Hey, I tired to work with them, but they wouldn't make a
decision, thus I can now lock my luggage...
Lee Bell - 30 Aug 2006 12:59 GMT
> Zip ties work better for me than my locks ever did.  After locking the
> zip,
> snip off the end.  That helps to slow down the destruction.

Since anything you might take with you to remove the zip tie is in the bag,
it can also make it hell to get the bag open.

Lee
Chris Guynn - 30 Aug 2006 13:57 GMT
> > Zip ties work better for me than my locks ever did.  After locking the
> > zip,
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>
> Lee

Nail clippers.  As long as you break the tiny little file off, they work great and you are still
allowed to carry them onboard.
Lee Bell - 30 Aug 2006 14:47 GMT
>> Since anything you might take with you to remove the zip tie is in the
>> bag,
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> great and you are still
> allowed to carry them onboard.

You're right except it's "you're allowed to carry them onboard again" not
"still."  8^)  They were banned for a while.  Guess I'll have to learn to
carry some in my pocket.

Lee
Chris Guynn - 30 Aug 2006 21:26 GMT
> >> Since anything you might take with you to remove the zip tie is in the
> >> bag,
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>
> Lee

You were allowed to carry them onboard yesterday, so I stand by my statement.  Tomorrow, it may no
longer be valid.
chilly - 31 Aug 2006 05:36 GMT
> > Zip ties work better for me than my locks ever did.  After locking the
> > zip,
> > snip off the end.  That helps to slow down the destruction.
>
> Since anything you might take with you to remove the zip tie is in the bag,
> it can also make it hell to get the bag open.

I carry toenail clippers in a side pocket.  No problems.
JOF - 30 Aug 2006 14:17 GMT
> > I've seen them cut off "TSA approved" locks.  I just use colored zip
> > ties.  At least when I see the zip tie cut off, I know someone has
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> "indestructible" tags get torn off after a pass or two through "security".
> Zip-ties are nothing.

I've tried putting nylon bands around my bags so they don't fall open
accidentally with all the abuse they suffer, but those don't even
survive the trip half the time.

Do you ever wonder if there's some kind of international baggage
handler's union ceremony at the end of each year where they hand out
awards for the most damage complaints generated by a single crew, or
the most luggage tags collected?

JF
Greg Mossman - 30 Aug 2006 17:15 GMT
> I've tried putting nylon bands around my bags so they don't fall open
> accidentally with all the abuse they suffer, but those don't even
> survive the trip half the time.

I got a few nice straps to go around my Samsonite gear bags.  The bags are
tough plastic clamshells, but their latches suck as they often get knocked
open during the trip and I was afraid I'd end up in baggage claim someday
watching all my gear tumble down the conveyor belt.  The straps prevent that
from happening, plus they have an integrated luggage tag sewn on, and I've
taken somewhere around 10 trips with them without a hitch (except that
they're pretty scuffed and dirty by now).

> Do you ever wonder if there's some kind of international baggage
> handler's union ceremony at the end of each year where they hand out
> awards for the most damage complaints generated by a single crew, or
> the most luggage tags collected?

If I had a job like that, I'd probably kick the sh.t out of bags too.  Heck,
sometimes when Janna over packs and I end up straining something lifting it
into my truck, I'll kick the sh.t out of the bag myself.  Of course TSA gets
blamed if anything breaks.

In their defense, it's not always the baggage handlers' fault.  At our local
airport, we used to have to stand around waiting for our bags to get
x-rayed.  Once, a perfectly normal Travelpro-like bag got stuck and they had
to reverse the machine to get it out.  Sure enough, the bastard ate one of
the handles.

Two more days until we head to LAX to brave the new anti-liquid laws.  I'm
leery about checking in my toiletries, but Janna does it all the time and
usually doesn't have anything broken.  She's always had to check hers in
since there's no way they'd fit in a carry-on, but my meager bag always fit
nicely scrunched in with the regs so I never had to fear getting stranded in
some uncivilized hellhole like Belize where I couldn't find contact lens
solution in any of the three stores on Ambergris Caye.  Now I have to check
it all in and can't even bring bottles of water on the plane to rehydrate
after all the alcohol consumed at the airport and midflight, so I'll end up
emerging from the plane into the hot Caribbean sun blinking my dehydrated
eyes and severely hungover.
chilly - 31 Aug 2006 05:40 GMT
> > I've tried putting nylon bands around my bags so they don't fall open
> > accidentally with all the abuse they suffer, but those don't even
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> emerging from the plane into the hot Caribbean sun blinking my dehydrated
> eyes and severely hungover.

It is my understanding that you can take contact lens drops on board, as
long as you only have an itty bitty little bottle with a drop or two only.
Can't remember where I read that or I'd cite it for ya.
Lee Bell - 31 Aug 2006 12:11 GMT
Greg Mossman wrote:

> Two more days until we head to LAX to brave the new anti-liquid laws.  I'm
> leery about checking in my toiletries, but Janna does
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> uncivilized hellhole like Belize where I couldn't find contact lens
> solution in any of the three stores on Ambergris Caye.

I can't recommend anything for the lens solution, but I sense an opportunity
here.  Put a broken container of something essential, toothpaste, for
instance, in a plastic bag in your checked luggage and get one of those
airline cosmetic kits in return each time you fly.  They're not the greatest
thing in the world, but they are handy.  I have one of them, slightly
enhanced, in each of our cars just in case we wish, or need to spend an
unplanned night somewhere and one in the boat in case someone else wants to
or needs to spend an unplanned night there.  Thank you Delta.

> Now I have to check it all in and can't even bring bottles of water on the
> plane to rehydrate after all the alcohol consumed at the
> airport and midflight, so I'll end up emerging from the plane into the hot
> Caribbean sun blinking my dehydrated eyes and severely
> hungover.

If you, as an attorney and a diver, can't figure out a way to make a buck
off of that one, don't expect us to have any sympathy.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 31 Aug 2006 16:09 GMT
> It is my understanding that you can take contact lens drops on board, as
> long as you only have an itty bitty little bottle with a drop or two only.
> Can't remember where I read that or I'd cite it for ya.

The limit is 4 ounces, according to TSA.  But I don't want to have to taste
it.
 
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