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Lee Bell - 26 Aug 2006 20:25 GMT
Well, I woke Curtis up at about 7 AM, kicked him out and on his way around
7:30 and headed off for my own day of diving.

The intent was to spend another day wrapping pilings while others poured
concrete into the forms.  Best laid plans and all, no forms were place.  I
spent the whole day unwrapping what we previously wrapped.

In at 8:15 AM, out at 11:30 AM.  Max depth 5 fbw (feet brown water).  The
water was a bit cleaner this time thanks to an incoming tide, but not by
much.  Diving in the basin is great training for cave diving.  One touch of
the silt on the bottom, even one stray kick of a finless foot, is enough to
turn everything to a brown haze.  I could see the inside of my mask, but
just barely.  Before silting everything out, I did see a couple dozen fish
swimming like mad to get away from me.  I think they may be a new species,
or perhaps a pollution enabled mutation of an old one.  Regardless, it was
good to have evidence that the water in the boat club basin isn't toxic to
all life.

Perhaps tomorrow, I'll get a chance to dive in water with slightly higher
visibility.  We'll see.

Lee
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JOF - 26 Aug 2006 21:35 GMT
> Perhaps tomorrow, I'll get a chance to dive in water with slightly higher
> visibility.  We'll see.

Don't you wish you had a drysuit now? Hell, reading your description, I
wish you had one. At least you know enough not to eat the brown trout.

JF
Lee Bell - 26 Aug 2006 21:45 GMT
> Don't you wish you had a drysuit now?

No
Tina - 26 Aug 2006 23:57 GMT
> > Don't you wish you had a drysuit now?
>
> No

Do you dive every day Lee? Are you a professional diver ?
Lee Bell - 27 Aug 2006 13:17 GMT
> Do you dive every day Lee? Are you a professional diver ?

No and no.  I used to work for the federal government.  These days, I still
get paid by them, but I don't work nearly as hard.  I've been able to retire
for more than 4 years and probably will retire in the next two or three.

I'm a native south Floridian still living in south Florida.  I probably
could dive daily, but between work and all my other interests, there's just
not enough time.  I've been swimming longer than I can remember, literally .
Over the years, I've been a lifeguard, water safety instructor, competitive
water skier, active snow skier, competitive dirt bike racer (enduro) and
motorcycle drag racer.  I made the championships three years in a row, but
never finished above the quarter finals.  These days, I split my time
between work, a kayak, an ATV and three power boats that I dive and fish
from.  I reload a lot and shoot some.

I dove more when I was younger than I do now.  I started diving in 1962
after a day of pool training from a YMCA instructor.  Unfortunately, no
card.  It would be cool to have one that old.  When my friends and I got our
driver's licenses, around 1966, we dove a lot.  Mostly shallow stuff.  I got
my first certification, NAUI SCUBA, in 1969, when it started to get hard to
get air fills without some kind of card.  I still have that card and get a
kick out of using it.  I dove for a long time with no training beyond that.
I was cave diving in central Florida in the mid to late 60s, before I had
heard of cave or cavern courses, perhaps before they existed.  Something
like 15 years ago, I got to be friends with an SSI instructor.  Through him,
I earned additional cards through Master Diver.  I don't have the gift of
teaching and have no interest in working hard enough to be good at it.  I
took a nitrox sometime around 1999 for pretty much the same reason as I took
the first NAUI course.  I needed the card for gas.  I'm considering a trimix
course for the same reason.  There's enough information available these days
that an interested diver can pretty much teach himself the academic part of
any training.  It's good experience at more advanced levels that's hardest
for most divers to get and I'm lucky enough to have an abundance of friends
interested in the same limited level of technical diving that attracts me.

I'd have to review my logs to know for an somewhat accurate count, but I
probably do somewhere around 50 dives a year, mostly to depths in the 60 to
80 foot range, occasionally to the 140 foot range and rarely  to 170 or
more.  Its a few dives to that 170 or more range that have me considering
trimix.  My experience is more the result of a lot of years of fairly active
diving rather than a few years of being very active.

Having said that, I have to go now.  Magilla, Limey Dave and I are doing a
beach dive this morning.

Lee
Limey - 28 Aug 2006 01:47 GMT
>> Do you dive every day Lee? Are you a professional diver ?
>
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> trimix.  My experience is more the result of a lot of years of fairly
> active diving rather than a few years of being very active.

What's yer favorite color?

> Having said that, I have to go now.  Magilla, Limey Dave and I are doing a
> beach dive this morning.

Good to see ya again, now it'll be another year or more before I swim out
there again.  ;)

LD.
Magilla - 28 Aug 2006 03:27 GMT
>> Having said that, I have to go now.  Magilla, Limey Dave and I are doing
>> a beach dive this morning.

> Good to see ya again, now it'll be another year or more before I swim out
> there again.  ;)

   Aw, come on, always enjoy 90 minutes of swimming for 30 minutes of
diving.  We now belong to the he-man beach diver's club.

   Next, gotta get you guys up to the mountains to lug gear 1 1/2 miles up
a horse trail so you can join pops and I in the he-man mountain divers club.

   On second thought, next time let's ride & tie a boat to the mooring
balls.......

Curtis
Lee Bell - 28 Aug 2006 04:34 GMT
> Next, gotta get you guys up to the mountains to lug gear 1 1/2 miles up a
> horse trail so you can join pops and I in the he-man mountain divers club.

Do the letters FTN have any meaning?  Sorry, probably personal slang.  f.ck
that noise.

> On second thought, next time let's ride & tie a boat to the mooring
> balls.......

Now you're talking.  Actually, no deeper than we were today, we could
probably tow the inflatable along behind us.  Jayna and I do that in when
lobstering in shallow water in the Keys, usually with the 15 foot hard boat,
but it would work with the inflatable even better.  I'm not sure how well it
would work for three of us or, for that matter, how much trouble you and
Dave would have reboarding.  Both of you seem to have knees that are no
longer as limber as they once were.  I take the chain off the anchor and
carry the anchor with me as the boat and we drift with the current.  When I
see something interesting, I hand set the anchor until I'm ready to move
again.  That way, there's no long swim against the current to get back to
the boat.

Lee
Magilla - 28 Aug 2006 12:49 GMT
> or, for that matter, how much trouble you and Dave would have reboarding.
> Both of you seem to have knees that are no longer as limber as they once
> were.

   choice one, climb into inflatable

   choice two, swim back to beach, 45 minutes +/-

   hmmmm, think we'd have quite a will, there'd be a way.......

Curtis
Lee Bell - 28 Aug 2006 13:07 GMT
>> or, for that matter, how much trouble you and Dave would have reboarding.
>> Both of you seem to have knees that are no longer as limber as they once
>> were.

>    choice one, climb into inflatable
>    choice two, swim back to beach, 45 minutes +/-
>    hmmmm, think we'd have quite a will, there'd be a way.......

Maybe, but not for sure.  I have as good a ladder as I've ever seen for the
inflatable, but it's still not easy to get in and out of.  At least part of
the problem is that it's small and light.  It doesn't hold still real well
when someone is climbing in.

Lee
Limey - 28 Aug 2006 19:15 GMT
>> Next, gotta get you guys up to the mountains to lug gear 1 1/2 miles up a
>> horse trail so you can join pops and I in the he-man mountain divers
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> I'm ready to move again.  That way, there's no long swim against the
> current to get back to the boat.

Considering the bugs and fish I saw on Friday, as opposed to yesterday,
we'll take a boat *out* next time.
btw, the same bud got 10 hogfish yesterday, I'm hoping there'll be some in
the freezer at the shop later with my name on.

LD.
Limey - 28 Aug 2006 19:13 GMT
>>> Having said that, I have to go now.  Magilla, Limey Dave and I are doing
>>> a beach dive this morning.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>    Aw, come on, always enjoy 90 minutes of swimming for 30 minutes of
> diving.  We now belong to the he-man beach diver's club.

Do we get a patch?

>    Next, gotta get you guys up to the mountains to lug gear 1 1/2 miles up
> a horse trail so you can join pops and I in the he-man mountain divers
> club.

Hi, I'm Dave, have we ever met?

>    On second thought, next time let's ride & tie a boat to the mooring
> balls.......

Oh, you do remember me!   ;0)

LD.
Lee Bell - 28 Aug 2006 04:13 GMT
> What's yer favorite color?

If I had to pick one, it would be Patriot Blue, the color of my Durango.
Actually, though, I have three, Red, White and Blue.

> Good to see ya again, now it'll be another year or more before I swim out
> there again.  ;)

I'd try it again Monday or Tuesday if I didn't have conference calls for the
meetings I was supposed to do in Dallas.  Thanks to uncertainties with
Ernesto, I canceled my trip.

Lee
Limey - 28 Aug 2006 19:15 GMT
>> What's yer favorite color?
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> the meetings I was supposed to do in Dallas.  Thanks to uncertainties with
> Ernesto, I canceled my trip.

Hurricane party?

LD.
Lee Bell - 28 Aug 2006 22:13 GMT
> Hurricane party?

Could happen.  The bar is overstocked.  I've got all the liquor I purchased
for Labor Day weekend on the boat.  I've got plenty of ice and enough mixer.

Lee
Limey - 29 Aug 2006 03:36 GMT
>> Hurricane party?
>
> Could happen.  The bar is overstocked.  I've got all the liquor I
> purchased for Labor Day weekend on the boat.  I've got plenty of ice and
> enough mixer.

Sorry, by the time you called me tonight I was on my way home from the
weekly dive shop beers.
Mebbe tomorrow......a *real* hurricane party?

LD.
Dillon Pyron - 29 Aug 2006 23:54 GMT
>> Hurricane party?
>
>Could happen.  The bar is overstocked.  I've got all the liquor I purchased
>for Labor Day weekend on the boat.  I've got plenty of ice and enough mixer.
>
>Lee

Gas power blender?
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Greg Mossman - 30 Aug 2006 03:43 GMT
>>> Hurricane party?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Gas power blender?

Cycle-powered would be more efficient.  If you get a head start you can
drink while you pedal.
Lee Bell - 30 Aug 2006 04:25 GMT
>>> Hurricane party?

>>Could happen.  The bar is overstocked.  I've got all the liquor I
>>purchased
>>for Labor Day weekend on the boat.  I've got plenty of ice and enough
>>mixer.

> Gas power blender?

Gas powered generator and a bit over 100 gallons of gas to keep it going.

Lee
Tina - 28 Aug 2006 03:05 GMT
> > Do you dive every day Lee? Are you a professional diver ?
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> between work, a kayak, an ATV and three power boats that I dive and fish
> from.  I reload a lot and shoot some.

Nice life. I am jealous :- ). But living in SF helps a lot !!!
You will really enjoy your retirement.
What bikes you ride ?

> I dove more when I was younger than I do now.  I started diving in 1962
> after a day of pool training from a YMCA instructor.  Unfortunately, no
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> more.  Its a few dives to that 170 or more range that have me considering
> trimix.
Trimix is the mix use for rebreathers  right ? to stay longer at deeper
places ?

>My experience is more the result of a lot of years of fairly active
> diving rather than a few years of being very active.

Have you consider turning into diving more professionally once you
retired even if you do not want to be an instructor but you still can
have a teaching place ?

> Having said that, I have to go now.  Magilla, Limey Dave and I are doing a
> beach dive this morning.
>
> Lee

:- )
Lee Bell - 28 Aug 2006 04:29 GMT
> Nice life. I am jealous :- ).

Don't be jealous, make yours enviable too.  It takes some luck, but you can
purposely improve your chances.

> But living in SF helps a lot !!!

That's one way to improve your chances.

> You will really enjoy your retirement.

I sure hope so.

> What bikes you ride ?

I don't ride any any more.  I toured the country on a shaft drive Kawasaki
1000 back in 1978.  I drove a KDX 175 in Enduro races while I lived in
Jacksonville.  When I got thrown over the handlebars, the bike flipped over
on my, giving me a compression fracture in my lower back and doing a bit of
damage to some tissues.  I'm reminded of the accident each morning.  I
decided dirt bikes were too dangerous, so I took up motorcycle drag racing.
I had a 1982 Suzuki 1100.  It was never started stock.  For those that know
the line, the 1982 1100 was the first year for Suzuki's humpback gas tank.
It was very distinctive.  I had the only obviously non stock one for Daytona
Motorcycle Speedweek that year.  I couldn't buy a race.  Good thing.  I had
a bad ground in the ignition and couldn't turn over 5,000 rpm.  My previous
175 would have beat it.  We fixed that later.  It was never beaten by a
street bike.  I qualified for the NHRA Drag Championships three years in a
row, for both Jacksonville and Gainseville tracks.  I represented
Jacksonville since that's where my shop support was.  I sold it a year after
I moved back to S. Florida.  It was just too dangerous to ride on a regular
basis.

I forgot to include our Honda Ranchers in my list of things that take up my
time.  I no longer have an airboat, but I still spend a lot of time in the
Everglades.  Between them and the reefs of S. Florida and the Keys, I
couldn't live anyplace else.  Mountains are nice to visit, but I wouldn't
want to actually live there.

> Have you consider turning into diving more professionally once you retired
> even if you do not want to be an instructor but you
> still can have a teaching place ?

Yes, but not as a teacher.  I don't mind sharing whatever I know with anyone
that is willing to listen, but I have little tolerance for the dogma that
comes out of pretty much all agencies these days.  I learn by understanding
and can only teach the same way.  I've given some consideration to going
back to college and taking enough courses to get a degree in veribrate
marine biology and then renting myself, and my boat, out to whoever is
researching something interesting.  I figured it was a pretty good way to
get someone else to pay some of the cost for what I want to do anyway.
Considering I'll probably be 60 or more before I actually retire and that I
already feel every injury I accumulated over the years, it's looking less
and less likely.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 28 Aug 2006 07:35 GMT
> That's one way to improve your chances.

Don't encourage her... She lives in NY... You don't want any more
Yankees down there, do you?  She might stay and thus you'll have yet
another Damn Yankee in Florida... Tell her the diving is crappy so
that she'll stay home...
Tina - 29 Aug 2006 00:49 GMT
> > That's one way to improve your chances.
>
> Don't encourage her... She lives in NY... You don't want any more
> Yankees down there, do you?  She might stay and thus you'll have yet
> another Damn Yankee in Florida... Tell her the diving is crappy so
> that she'll stay home...

Uh ? Who?  me? If so, I am not in NY but in Dallas :- ) remember the TX
lakes ?
I have been in SF, so I know better how great is down there and diving
too although didn't do it at that time.
Lee Bell - 29 Aug 2006 02:48 GMT
> Uh ? Who?  me? If so, I am not in NY but in Dallas :- ) remember the TX
> lakes ?
> I have been in SF, so I know better how great is down there and diving
> too although didn't do it at that time.

San Francisco may possibly be my favorite place to visit.  It's a city of
incredible diversity and interest . . . but the water's cold.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 29 Aug 2006 15:03 GMT
> San Francisco may possibly be my favorite place to visit.  It's a city of
> incredible diversity and interest . . . but the water's cold.

I think by "SF", she mean "South Floridan", not "San Francisco"...
Grumman-581 - 29 Aug 2006 14:59 GMT
> Uh ? Who?  me? If so, I am not in NY but in Dallas :- ) remember the TX
> lakes ?
> I have been in SF, so I know better how great is down there and diving
> too although didn't do it at that time.

Sorry, my mistake then... Your previous post came back with an IP
address that was located in NY... You current one came back with one
located in Garland...
Joe English - 29 Aug 2006 18:52 GMT
>>Uh ? Who?  me? If so, I am not in NY but in Dallas :- ) remember the TX
>>lakes ?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> address that was located in NY... You current one came back with one
> located in Garland...

Tina - what part of Garland??
Tina - 29 Aug 2006 00:01 GMT
> Jacksonville.  When I got thrown over the handlebars, the bike flipped over
> on my, giving me a compression fracture in my lower back and doing a bit of
> damage to some tissues.  I'm reminded of the accident each morning.
And diving and carrying the tanks does not affect your spine at all?

> decided dirt bikes were too dangerous, so I took up motorcycle drag racing.
> I had a 1982 Suzuki 1100.  It was never started stock.  For those that know
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> street bike.  I qualified for the NHRA Drag Championships three years in a
> row, for both Jacksonville and Gainseville tracks.
WOW
I appreciate a Kawasaki before a Suzuki though.

> I forgot to include our Honda Ranchers in my list of things that take up my
> time.  I no longer have an airboat, but I still spend a lot of time in the
> Everglades.  Between them and the reefs of S. Florida and the Keys, I
> couldn't live anyplace else.  Mountains are nice to visit, but I wouldn't
> want to actually live there.
Mountains are breathtaking but just for a while. The experience is for
me "static" and "temporary".
Ocean is a dynamic experience and pretty addictive.  I would say is
magical and forever.
And boredom is not an option.

> > Have you consider turning into diving more professionally once you retired
> > even if you do not want to be an instructor but you
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> that is willing to listen, but I have little tolerance for the dogma that
> comes out of pretty much all agencies these days.
Yeah the agencies is more business than education.

> I learn by understanding
> and can only teach the same way.
Learning only works with understanding.

I've given some consideration to going
> back to college and taking enough courses to get a degree in veribrate
> marine biology and then renting myself, and my boat, out to whoever is
> researching something interesting.
Not a bad idea. You also can do some environmental sutdies. It will be
useful.
You can try some Environmental Studies with the Marine Biology
specialty.  Universities are starting now to give it more importance
duh. You might even find some OnLine classes to start with. I think
there is a FL Center for these studies. Research in this area is very
needed and will be more and more.
Knowing what I know now, if I could start again, I would go that route.
Now I am more jealous !
Lee Bell - 29 Aug 2006 02:46 GMT
> And diving and carrying the tanks does not affect your spine at all?

Diving certainly doesn't.  As long as I'm careful how I do it, carrying
tanks doesn't either, but I don't have to screw up by much before I pay for
it.

> WOW
> I appreciate a Kawasaki before a Suzuki though.

My first bike was a honda 90, followed by a chopped Triumph 500.  The KDX
175 and 1000 shaft drive were next.  The Suzuki was last . . . and fastest
by a substantial margin.  At 200, however, it tended to loose contact with
the road.  Not an experience I want to repeat.  When I got the bike stopped
safely, I spend about 10 minutes shaking and laughing hysterically.

> Ocean is a dynamic experience and pretty addictive.  I would say is
> magical and forever. And boredom is not an option.

You think oceans are wonderful, just wait until you see the Everglades.
There is nothing, anyplace in this world, as beautiful as a full moon over
praries of sawgrass.

> I think there is a FL Center for these studies.

There are several.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 29 Aug 2006 15:02 GMT
> You think oceans are wonderful, just wait until you see the Everglades.
> There is nothing, anyplace in this world, as beautiful as a full moon over
> praries of sawgrass.

A full moon over a large cypress swamp?
Dillon Pyron - 30 Aug 2006 00:04 GMT
>> Jacksonville.  When I got thrown over the handlebars, the bike flipped over
>> on my, giving me a compression fracture in my lower back and doing a bit of
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>WOW
>I appreciate a Kawasaki before a Suzuki though.

Yamaha RD350, the god of all road racers in the late 70s.  I raced one
for a while until I wadded it up while trying to take a left hander
just a little too fast.  Managed to stay behind the bike and only had
bruises and wet leathers.

>> I forgot to include our Honda Ranchers in my list of things that take up my
>> time.  I no longer have an airboat, but I still spend a lot of time in the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Mountains are breathtaking but just for a while. The experience is for
>me "static" and "temporary".

You've never been at 18,000 feet on a clear day.  There's nothing
quite like the view you get while doing the old
step-breath-breath-step routine.

>Ocean is a dynamic experience and pretty addictive.  I would say is
>magical and forever.
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>Knowing what I know now, if I could start again, I would go that route.
>Now I am more jealous !

Pauline at Mike Severns has aN MS in marine biology.  Mike has a PhD,
but doesn't go out with the boat anymore.  Most of the dive masters
they hire have a BS in some sort of biology.
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Lee Bell - 30 Aug 2006 04:23 GMT
> Yamaha RD350, the god of all road racers in the late 70s.  I raced one
> for a while until I wadded it up while trying to take a left hander
> just a little too fast.  Managed to stay behind the bike and only had
> bruises and wet leathers.

I'm not a big fan of going around turns fast.  With a 3 inch over swing arm,
neither was my big bore.  Yamaha once made some very good bikes.  They're
making good ones again.

> You've never been at 18,000 feet on a clear day.  There's nothing
> quite like the view you get while doing the old
> step-breath-breath-step routine.

Actually, I have been.  Somehow, panting for a few minutes for each step I
took didn't enhance the beauty of the view.  I was born at sea level and
have never lived more than a dozen feet above it.

> Pauline at Mike Severns has an MS in marine biology.  Mike has a PhD,
> but doesn't go out with the boat anymore.  Most of the dive masters
> they hire have a BS in some sort of biology.

The difference is, I want to assist in research to reduce my operating cost
and for the tax deductions.  They are trying to earn a living too.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 30 Aug 2006 20:05 GMT
> I'm not a big fan of going around turns fast.  With a 3 inch over swing arm,
> neither was my big bore.  Yamaha once made some very good bikes.  They're
> making good ones again.

All in all, I suspect that I've probably owned more Yamaha bikes over
the years than any other brand... It wasn't really a conscious effort
in brand loyalty though... Might just be because the closest bike shop
to where I was living at the various times that I was in the market
for a bike was in fact a Yamaha dealership... For some reason, most of
the bikes that I've owned over the years have also been red...

Yamaha Enduro 175 -- red
Yamaha YZ-400 -- red
Yamaha XS-400 -- red
Yamaha XS-750 -- red
Yamaha XS-1100 -- red
Yamaha Seca-II -- red
Kawasaki Ninja 600 ZX-6 -- red
Kawasaki 750LTD -- black
Harley Sportster -- black
Kawasaki Z1R -- black

Hmmm... Over twice as many red ones as other colors...

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