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Advice on mask, snorkel and flippers

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StainlessSteelRat - 16 Aug 2006 22:16 GMT
Hi folks,

I haven't been diving for a few years, and when I did recently I rented my
mask, snorkel and flippers.

I'm looking to buy though this time, and was after good brands to look out
for. A local shop has US Divers, but are they a good brand?

Also are snorkels with valve useful, or a hindrance? I've always used a
standard snorkel.

I've also been looking at flippers which have an adjustable strap at the
back, but the guy in one shop told me I need to buy boots as well, whereas a
different shop said it wasn't necessary. Who's correct?

Thanks
longshot - 16 Aug 2006 22:22 GMT
start with a OW certification class
StainlessSteelRat - 16 Aug 2006 22:31 GMT
> start with a OW certification class

Yep, got that (PADI).
Dillon Pyron - 17 Aug 2006 23:17 GMT
>> start with a OW certification class
>
>Yep, got that (PADI).

If it's been a while, at least get a review.  If it's been a long
while, take the class again.
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StainlessSteelRat - 18 Aug 2006 13:02 GMT
>>> start with a OW certification class
>>
>> Yep, got that (PADI).
>
> If it's been a while, at least get a review.  If it's been a long
> while, take the class again.

It's been 3 years, although I've been snorkelling since I was a nipper (my
Dad was a BSAC instructor for many years). Some folks say I should start
diving straight away, personally I feel like I need a refresher lesson, so
I'll see what the centre have on offer.
Popeye - 16 Aug 2006 22:53 GMT
> Hi folks,
>
> I haven't been diving for a few years, and when I did recently I rented my
> mask, snorkel and flippers.

 Fins.

 Call 'em fins.

 Or else. :-)

> I'm looking to buy though this time, and was after good brands to look out
> for. A local shop has US Divers, but are they a good brand?

 As far as a mask goes, others will elaborate, but the only criteria is how
well it fits your face.

 After that, it's pretty much like asking which soft drink is best, i.e.,
personal preference.

 If you don't know or remember the term, a "low profile" mask is easier to
clear.

 Some folks like purge vales, some don't, if I liked the rest of the mask,
I would take or leave them as an option.

 Most people eventually wind up with an aftermarket mask strap.

> Also are snorkels with valve useful, or a hindrance? I've always used a
> standard snorkel.

 Most of us own one, a few carry one while diving, fewer yet wear it on the
mask strap.

> I've also been looking at flippers which have an adjustable strap at the
> back, but the guy in one shop told me I need to buy boots as well, whereas
> a different shop said it wasn't necessary. Who's correct?

 Both are correct, two different styles that may be available on the same
design of fin.

 Booties and straps are a relative must for colder water, but "full foot"
fins are preferred by some in warmer water.

 The majority here tend to advocate either Jet fins, or Mares Quattros, but
it's best to beg, borrow and rent several different types and try them.

 A pool lane will work for this, you don't necessarily have to dive.

> Thanks
StainlessSteelRat - 17 Aug 2006 13:05 GMT
>> I haven't been diving for a few years, and when I did recently I
>> rented my mask, snorkel and flippers.
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>
>  Or else. :-)

Sorry, I knew there was a slightly less daft name for them ;-)

>> I'm looking to buy though this time, and was after good brands to
>> look out for. A local shop has US Divers, but are they a good brand?
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>
>  Most people eventually wind up with an aftermarket mask strap.

I don't suppose there are any particular quality makes to focus on though,
or equally crap makes to steer clear of?

Thanks for the fitting information, it's been a while since I've dived, so
any advice is welcome.

>> I've also been looking at flippers which have an adjustable strap at
>> the back, but the guy in one shop told me I need to buy boots as
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> types and try them.
>  A pool lane will work for this, you don't necessarily have to dive.

I'm not sure I'll get the chance to test anything out, and I'm a little
limited in budget and also the available shops. I think I saw some by Mares,
so I'll double check. And again there were US divers models there, but only
with the strap.

Thanks for the info!
dechucka - 17 Aug 2006 13:13 GMT
>>> I haven't been diving for a few years, and when I did recently I
>>> rented my mask, snorkel and flippers.
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>
> Sorry, I knew there was a slightly less daft name for them ;-)

Just remember what my OW (PADI) dive instructor told me " flipper is a
dolphin, fins are for diving and that is a one beer fine" and you'll never
forget it
dechucka - 17 Aug 2006 13:15 GMT
>>>> I haven't been diving for a few years, and when I did recently I
>>>> rented my mask, snorkel and flippers.
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> dolphin, fins are for diving and that is a one beer fine" and you'll never
> forget it

Interestingly my aussie spellcheck wants to change PADI to PAID, never
noticed that before
StainlessSteelRat - 17 Aug 2006 13:16 GMT
>>>> I haven't been diving for a few years, and when I did recently I
>>>> rented my mask, snorkel and flippers.
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> dolphin, fins are for diving and that is a one beer fine" and you'll
> never forget it

Haha, OK ;-)
Lee Bell - 17 Aug 2006 12:49 GMT
> I haven't been diving for a few years, and when I did recently I rented my
> mask, snorkel and flippers.

> I'm looking to buy though this time, and was after good brands to look out
> for. A local shop has US Divers, but are they a good brand?

Yes and no.  US Divers makes quality equipment.  They also make junk for the
tourist market.  Be sure you understand which one you're buying.

> Also are snorkels with valve useful, or a hindrance? I've always used a
> standard snorkel.

Some like them, some don't.  I've always found them to be more of a
hindrance than a benefit.  I find I can clear a snorkel easier without a
purge valve than with one.  On the other hand, I've found it can be hard to
find a snorkel without one that has other features I like, specifically, the
flexible section at the bottom that lets the snorkel stay out of my way when
I'm not using it and makes it comfortable when I am using it.

> I've also been looking at flippers which have an adjustable strap at the
> back, but the guy in one shop told me I need to buy boots as well, whereas
> a different shop said it wasn't necessary. Who's correct?

Generally speaking, people buy open heel fins for one of three reasons:
1. The dive shop convinced them they needed them (they're more expensive).
2. They need the thermal protection of booties and the open heel fins
accomodate booties.
3. They need the booties to traverse hard or sharp surfaces on their way to
the water and the open heel fins accomodate booties.

You'll note that the two reasons that actually mean something are based on
the need for booties, not the need for open heel fins.  In fact, full foot
fins are a less expensive and better choice for anyone that does not need
booties.  They generally fit with less  play and transfer energy better than
open heel fins.  If you don't want booties, don't buy open heel fins.  I use
Mares Plana Avante, Plana Avante TRE and Quatro Power fins, all in full foot
design.  The first two are good for both snorkeling and diving.  The Power
fins don't work well on the surface, but are more powerful, and larger, than
the other two models.

Lee
StainlessSteelRat - 17 Aug 2006 13:08 GMT
>> I'm looking to buy though this time, and was after good brands to
>> look out for. A local shop has US Divers, but are they a good brand?
>
> Yes and no.  US Divers makes quality equipment.  They also make junk
> for the tourist market.  Be sure you understand which one you're
> buying.

Hmmm, how can you tell? :-)

Some were in those heat sealed plastic packaging with a snorkel, so I'm
guessing those might be the touristy ones. I'm on a bit of a limited budget,
but equally I don't want to buy crap that's going to cause me problems and
fall apart later.

This is the shop I'm looking to buy from, for what it's worth (they're local
to me here in Brazil) http://www.maresolonline.com.br

>> I've also been looking at flippers which have an adjustable strap at
>> the back, but the guy in one shop told me I need to buy boots as
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> don't work well on the surface, but are more powerful, and larger,
> than the other two models.

OK, I think this is mostly boat dives this time, and I can cope with the
reduced expense for full foot fins. I'll see if this particular shop have
any of these particular models. There was another shop closeby that had less
stock, but I saw Mares fins, although I have no idea which model.
Popeye - 18 Aug 2006 05:51 GMT
>>> I'm looking to buy though this time, and was after good brands to
>>> look out for. A local shop has US Divers, but are they a good brand?
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> This is the shop I'm looking to buy from, for what it's worth (they're
> local to me here in Brazil) http://www.maresolonline.com.br

 http://www.scubastore.com/home.asp

>>> I've also been looking at flippers which have an adjustable strap at
>>> the back, but the guy in one shop told me I need to buy boots as
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> any of these particular models. There was another shop closeby that had
> less stock, but I saw Mares fins, although I have no idea which model.
Lee Bell - 18 Aug 2006 13:05 GMT
>> Yes and no.  US Divers makes quality equipment.  They also make junk
>> for the tourist market.  Be sure you understand which one you're
>> buying.

> Hmmm, how can you tell? :-)

It helps to have experience.  Generally speaking if US Divers/Aqualung sells
it in a package deal most, if not all that is in the package is tourist
junk.  The masks to avoid have plastic lenses.  The only decent fins I know
of that US Divers sells are their Blades, but my information on that is
probably outdated.  Their cheap snorkels are actually pretty good.  Look for
the one with two angled slots near the top where the top of the snorkel is
not larger than the diameter of the rest of it.

Not all packaged stuff is junk.  Tusa makes a Liberator mask and snorkel
package that sells at World Watersports/ www.diversdirect.com for about $30.
The mask is the same as the ones I used to pay more than $50 for without the
snorkel.

>> This is the shop I'm looking to buy from, for what it's worth (they're
>> local to me here in Brazil) http://www.maresolonline.com.br

Wrong language for me.

>  http://www.scubastore.com/home.asp

I think I've heard of Dive Inn, but I don't know much about them.  World
Watersports, which is the retail store affiliated with www.diversdirect.com 
, is local for me.  I go on line, find what I want and take the add to the
store.  They match their internet prices.  I get the best of both worlds.
They get my business when they carry something I want.

>> OK, I think this is mostly boat dives this time, and I can cope with the
>> reduced expense for full foot fins. I'll see if this particular shop have
>> any of these particular models. There was another shop closeby that had
>> less stock, but I saw Mares fins, although I have no idea which model.

If it says Plana Avante, there's more than one model, it will be good to
very good depending on your preference.  At least one person here likes the
higher tech Mares Volo fins.  I've not used them, so can't comment on how
well they work.

Lee
Chris Guynn - 17 Aug 2006 17:42 GMT
> > I haven't been diving for a few years, and when I did recently I rented my
> > mask, snorkel and flippers.
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> Some like them, some don't.  I've always found them to be more of a
> hindrance than a benefit.

Some are good, some aren't.  My current snorkel actually uses two separate
seals in the purge and I like it enough that I don't mind snorkeling (which
is unusual for me).  My snorkel is set up to be able to "pump" the woater
out (one fixed valve and one sliding valve), but that feature is so
ridiculous tha tI never use it.  I do appreciate having both valves though.
Personally, I like having the purge area to catch the runoff that doesn't
get expelled when I clear the snorkel.  I've never had a real problem
clearing the snorkel with or without a purge, but I prefer not having that
last little bit of water in the bottom of the curve.
 
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