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Adam Helberg - 14 Aug 2006 02:21 GMT
The camera I'm now considering buying is the Fuji F30, which has no viewfinder, just
the LCD screen. Any comments whether the viewfinder or LCD screen are better for
underwater use in a housing?

Adam
Dan Bracuk - 14 Aug 2006 02:38 GMT
"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahee.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:The camera I'm now considering buying is the Fuji F30, which has no viewfinder, just
:the LCD screen. Any comments whether the viewfinder or LCD screen are better for
:underwater use in a housing?

The lcd screen is all you need.  In fact, my sony has both and I never
use the viewfinder anymore.

Dan Bracuk
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Dillon Pyron - 15 Aug 2006 23:52 GMT
>"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahee.com> pounded away at his keyboard
>resulting in:
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>The lcd screen is all you need.  In fact, my sony has both and I never
>use the viewfinder anymore.

You do get a steadier image using the viewfinder.  That said, Carol's
Sony housing has the viewfinder blocked.

>Dan Bracuk
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Dan Bracuk - 16 Aug 2006 01:03 GMT
Dillon Pyron <dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:You do get a steadier image using the viewfinder.  That said, Carol's
:Sony housing has the viewfinder blocked.

One of the nicer things about using the display is that you don't have
to have the camera right in front of you.  You can have it off to the
side a bit if appropriate.  

Plus, with the display you can get the camera closer to the subject
simply by extending your arms.  You are less likely to scare the
little fishie this way.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
Ken - 14 Aug 2006 07:25 GMT
> The camera I'm now considering buying is the Fuji F30, which has no
> viewfinder, just the LCD screen. Any comments whether the viewfinder or
> LCD screen are better for underwater use in a housing?

The viewfinder is quite useless underwater - set your camera defaults to use
the LCD screen only when diving. For me an important feature of my next
camera for underwater use is that it should have a large LCD viewscreen.

Ken
nitespark - 14 Aug 2006 10:52 GMT
> The camera I'm now considering buying is the Fuji F30, which has no viewfinder, just
> the LCD screen. Any comments whether the viewfinder or LCD screen are better for
> underwater use in a housing?
>
> Adam

The viewfinder is probably quite difficult to use underwater wearing a
mask.

The LCD screen eats up battery life but gives you a better idea of what
picture you are going to get (unless you are using flash).  Also,
depending on camera model, the LCD screen may show what your picture
looks like for a brief period of time and allow you to delete it for a
few seconds.
Mick Whittingham - 14 Aug 2006 11:23 GMT
>> The camera I'm now considering buying is the Fuji F30, which has no
>>viewfinder, just  the LCD screen. Any comments whether the viewfinder
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>looks like for a brief period of time and allow you to delete it for a
>few seconds.

Anyone got a good lead on a separate LCD screen that could be used as an
alternative. The screen on my camcorder is so far forward I cant see it
clearly from the rear port. A separate screen "Bluetac"ed to the back
port (on the dry side) would work great.
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Zen Diver - 14 Aug 2006 13:44 GMT
>>> The camera I'm now considering buying is the Fuji F30, which has no
>>> viewfinder, just  the LCD screen. Any comments whether the viewfinder
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> clearly from the rear port. A separate screen "Bluetac"ed to the back
> port (on the dry side) would work great.

It depends on the amount of space you have to work with.  If you have a
couple of inches behind your camera you will probably be able to fit a
small 2"-3.5" portable LCD TV in the back.  You have to make sure that
it can take an AV input.  Have a look on eBay under televisions and
narrow the search to 1" to 5".  There seem to be a few out there that
fit the criteria.

jon
Greg Mossman - 14 Aug 2006 17:59 GMT
> Anyone got a good lead on a separate LCD screen that could be used as an
> alternative. The screen on my camcorder is so far forward I cant see it
> clearly from the rear port. A separate screen "Bluetac"ed to the back port
> (on the dry side) would work great.

Many housings can be used with external monitors (on the wet side) that
would work even better.
mag3 - 14 Aug 2006 21:23 GMT
>> Anyone got a good lead on a separate LCD screen that could be used as an
>> alternative. The screen on my camcorder is so far forward I cant see it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Many housings can be used with external monitors (on the wet side) that
>would work even better.

Or in the case of my Ikelite, there's a mirror you can attach to the outside
of the housing that let's you view the LCD screen of my Sony DCR-TRV280
camcorder. Of course, you have to flip the LCD to"inside-out" mode for that
to work.  And, of course, it eats a lot more battery than just using the view
finder. I'd probably have to replace/recharge the camcorder battery after
each dive.

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Arnold
Greg Mossman - 15 Aug 2006 02:05 GMT
> Or in the case of my Ikelite, there's a mirror you can attach to the
> outside
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> finder. I'd probably have to replace/recharge the camcorder battery after
> each dive.

I got the same mirror on my Amphibico housing for the TRV900.  A bit flimsy,
but it works well.  Some sort of external method of eyeballing the shot is
necessary for video since the diver is often on the move and needs
peripheral vision.  If I kept my mask glued to a little viewfinder, I'd bump
into things.
Greg Mossman - 14 Aug 2006 18:00 GMT
> The viewfinder is probably quite difficult to use underwater wearing a
> mask.

> The LCD screen eats up battery life but gives you a better idea of what
> picture you are going to get (unless you are using flash).  Also,
> depending on camera model, the LCD screen may show what your picture looks
> like for a brief period of time and allow you to delete it for a few
> seconds.

One problem I've had using the LCD screen is that it's impossible to see in
bright light.  It's great on dark cloudy days or at depth, but on a sunny
day in the shallows the viewfinder is the only option for me.
nitespark - 14 Aug 2006 21:58 GMT
>>The viewfinder is probably quite difficult to use underwater wearing a
>>mask.
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> bright light.  It's great on dark cloudy days or at depth, but on a sunny
> day in the shallows the viewfinder is the only option for me.

I have experienced the same thing.  I have the little sunshade
attachment for mine.  I rarely use it (mostly because I forget it).  I
try to take several pictures of the same subject with different angles,
lighting, etc (assuming its not a fast moving subject) and hopefully one
will come out OK.  Since I am using the lens attachments, on my camera
for macro, sometimes its difficult to judge distance from the subject
matter, particularly in macro.  However, I have had some come out fairly
good.

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Rick Simms - 15 Aug 2006 14:33 GMT
>The LCD screen eats up battery life but gives you a better idea of what
>picture you are going to get (unless you are using flash).  Also,
>depending on camera model, the LCD screen may show what your picture
>looks like for a brief period of time and allow you to delete it for a
>few seconds.

Andy,

What camera/housing are you using?


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nitespark - 15 Aug 2006 22:44 GMT
>>The LCD screen eats up battery life but gives you a better idea of what
>>picture you are going to get (unless you are using flash).  Also,
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Robert - 17 Aug 2006 18:04 GMT
>The camera I'm now considering buying is the Fuji F30, which has no viewfinder, just
>the LCD screen. Any comments whether the viewfinder or LCD screen are better for
>underwater use in a housing?
>
>Adam

I purchased the Sharp DV cam for exactly this reason, as a viewfinder
is virtually useless underwater, it only has a large LCD screen, I
also purchased the larger baterry too, that gives over 2 hours use
even when Zooming etc.

And on my Sony P150, I use the LCD screen, it is nice to have a
spacial awareness around you when filming and an LCD screen allows
this,.

When in ST Maarten, I was underwater videoing with cam out at arms
length and had an inquisitive turtle swim right up  to the cam, then
circle me a couple of times before being scared off by other divers
swimming up to see what was happening.

..

Regards

Rob

Vulcan Bomber (101 Squadron)
Dennis (Icarus) - 19 Aug 2006 06:17 GMT
> >The camera I'm now considering buying is the Fuji F30, which has no viewfinder, just
> >the LCD screen. Any comments whether the viewfinder or LCD screen are better for
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>
> Vulcan Bomber (101 Squadron)

Geez, why the heck would you want to bomb Vulcans? They're rather peacable
folks.
Bombing Romulans, on the other hand, has my full support (excepting, of
course, Tasha Yar's daughter).
I would suggest bombing The Undiscovered Country. had it not done such a
good job all on its own.

Dennis
Robert - 04 Sep 2006 08:02 GMT
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:17:30 -0500, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
<nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote:

>> >The camera I'm now considering buying is the Fuji F30, which has no
>viewfinder, just
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>
>Dennis

I only ever bombed with Nuclear Vulcans,  conventional was for
wimps.....lol

Regards

Rob

Vulcan Bomber (101 Squadron)
 
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