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Keep the Reports Commiing (in re: Hightened Travel Restrictions)

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mag3 - 10 Aug 2006 21:34 GMT
All - To anyone traveling by air with SCUBA gear over the next few weeks - I'd appreciate
any reports regarding experiences with TSA et. al in re: getting your gear through security,
given the "hightened" state of affairs. I'm going later this month and am now debating whether
or not to take the Ikelite housing with the light and battery pack etc. (I think I'll be lucky enough
to get my Pro Plus 2 past the random gate searches etc.).

I guess I won't be able to take my "mask defogger" in my carry-on! Oh well. <sigh>


Thanks.

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Grumman-581 - 10 Aug 2006 22:44 GMT
> All - To anyone traveling by air with SCUBA gear over the next few weeks - I'd appreciate
> any reports regarding experiences with TSA et. al in re: getting your gear through security,
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>
> I guess I won't be able to take my "mask defogger" in my carry-on! Oh well. <sigh>

I would be less concerned about putting my gear in checked baggage if
I actually *trusted* the baggage handlers and inspectors not to steal
anything...Too bad that Bush didn't have the balls to follow my
suggestion -- nuke the whole fuckin' Middle East... He said that it
might give us a bit of a PR problem and the rest of the world might
not like us... And that is different than now, exactly how???

I've found that these days, I take commercial flights quite a bit
less... If I can drive there within a day, I'll probably do it instead
of flying...
Ed - 12 Aug 2006 23:00 GMT
Nuke them???    Detroit would have to figure out how to use radioactive
gas..... Maybe a new kind of Nuke/Fuel Hybrid.... Could be cool....

>>All - To anyone traveling by air with SCUBA gear over the next few weeks - I'd appreciate
>>any reports regarding experiences with TSA et. al in re: getting your gear through security,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> less... If I can drive there within a day, I'll probably do it instead
> of flying...
Joe English - 13 Aug 2006 05:57 GMT
> Nuke them???    Detroit would have to figure out how to use radioactive
> gas..... Maybe a new kind of Nuke/Fuel Hybrid.... Could be cool....
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>> less... If I can drive there within a day, I'll probably do it instead
>> of flying...

top posters   huh
chilly - 13 Aug 2006 11:51 GMT
> Nuke them???    Detroit would have to figure out how to use radioactive
> gas..... Maybe a new kind of Nuke/Fuel Hybrid.... Could be cool....

One of the best people that I know in this world, is originally from
Pakistan.  He's been living in Canada for 30 years or so.  His wife is a
lovely, lovely person, who is a real artist in her own right.  She was born
in Florida and most of her relatives are still living there, except for her
parents who both died in the past year+/-, separately from one another but
still while at their retirement property on Sanibel Island. (I''m not saying
this well . . .  but before her mom passed, mom went through both Hurricane
Katrina and Wilma).

Mike caught a flight today for LA.  He'll be connecting with his oldest
daughter who is attending university there.  But his real reason for going
is business related. Before any of that happens, as well as, on his way
home, he's going to be grilled harder than any of us whiteys.  However, as
he said to me, he accepts his fate and appreciates it, because he just wants
everyone to be safe.
Greg Mossman - 13 Aug 2006 18:12 GMT
> Mike caught a flight today for LA.  He'll be connecting with his oldest
> daughter who is attending university there.  But his real reason for going
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> wants
> everyone to be safe.

I'll take an Arab terrorist over a crying baby on a red-eye any day.  Box
cutters I can deal with.
Scott - 13 Aug 2006 18:20 GMT
> I'll take an Arab terrorist over a crying baby on a red-eye any day.  Box
> cutters I can deal with.

Arent you the guy who just said something about terrorism not being an
ethnic or skin color issue?

Got your own white pillow case thing going, eh?
Greg Mossman - 13 Aug 2006 23:33 GMT
>> I'll take an Arab terrorist over a crying baby on a red-eye any day.  Box
>> cutters I can deal with.
>
> Arent you the guy who just said something about terrorism not being an
> ethnic or skin color issue?

I was talking about Arab terrorists.  Are you trying to tell me there are no
Arab terrorists?

But I'll use Irish terrorists instead, if that will make you happy.

>> I'll take an Irish terrorist over a crying baby on a red-eye any day.
>> Potato
>> peelers I can deal with.

> Got your own white pillow case thing going, eh?

Nope.  I just hate babies.
Dillon Pyron - 15 Aug 2006 05:51 GMT
>> Mike caught a flight today for LA.  He'll be connecting with his oldest
>> daughter who is attending university there.  But his real reason for going
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>I'll take an Arab terrorist over a crying baby on a red-eye any day.  Box
>cutters I can deal with.

A few years ago, I sat next to a woman on a late nighter (not a red
eye, though).  I noticed she had a Gloria La Masters purse and leaned
over and quietly whispered "are you an air marshal?"  Talk about a
nasty look.  I then told her the bag was a dead giveaway.  Popped on
my iPod and let her sulk.
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chilly - 15 Aug 2006 07:38 GMT
> >> Mike caught a flight today for LA.  He'll be connecting with his oldest
> >> daughter who is attending university there.  But his real reason for going
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> A few years ago, I sat next to a woman on a late nighter (not a red
> eye, though).  I noticed she had a Gloria La Masters purse

What is a Gloria La Masters purse.  I did a google and didn't come up with
anything.
Popeye - 15 Aug 2006 11:30 GMT
> "Dillon Pyron" <dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote in message

>> A few years ago, I sat next to a woman on a late nighter (not a red
>> eye, though).  I noticed she had a Gloria La Masters purse
>
> What is a Gloria La Masters purse.  I did a google and didn't come up with
> anything.

 http://www.aware.org/success/hisword.shtml

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Grumman-581 - 15 Aug 2006 17:52 GMT
>   http://www.aware.org/success/hisword.shtml

Yeah, but that doesn't show her a photo of one... I did a search on
Google, but didn't come up with much... Seems that the company "GML
Products" does not have a web page... Here's someone selling one of
them on eBay, so Chilly can see what ya'll are talking about...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7235254384&indexURL=

The steel cable running through the strap is a nice touch...
chilly - 16 Aug 2006 05:14 GMT
> >   http://www.aware.org/success/hisword.shtml
>
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>
> The steel cable running through the strap is a nice touch...

Thanks Gru.

Yeah, that steel cable running through the handle like that could be good
for getting yer arm sliced up when a snatch theif tries to make off with it.

(wg)
Ron Lee - 13 Aug 2006 20:23 GMT
>>>All - To anyone traveling by air with SCUBA gear over the next few weeks - I'd appreciate
>>>any reports regarding experiences with TSA et. al in re: getting your gear through security,
>>>given the "hightened" state of affairs. I'm going later this month and am now debating whether
>>>or not to take the Ikelite housing with the light and battery pack etc. (I think I'll be lucky enough
>>>to get my Pro Plus 2 past the random gate searches etc.).

Where did you get the notion that most travel by air would be
impossible with that camera gear in carry-on luggage?  To the UK yes
but anywhere else I have not seen such restrictions.

Go to the TSA and airline websites to get the real answers to your
questions.

Ron Lee
mag3 - 14 Aug 2006 02:21 GMT
>>>>All - To anyone traveling by air with SCUBA gear over the next few weeks - I'd appreciate
>>>>any reports regarding experiences with TSA et. al in re: getting your gear through security,
>>>>given the "hightened" state of affairs. I'm going later this month and am now debating whether
>>>>or not to take the Ikelite housing with the light and battery pack etc. (I think I'll be lucky enough
>>>>to get my Pro Plus 2 past the random gate searches etc.).

I'm the OP who said this, so I'll respond.

>Where did you get the notion that most travel by air would be
>impossible with that camera gear in carry-on luggage?

I didn't. See below.

>Go to the TSA and airline websites to get the real answers to your
>questions.

What those websites say and what actually happens at the security station are often
two *very* different things. Lot's of things are left "up to the discretion of the Security Officer."
If the Security Officer is having a bad day, so could you.

I know that electronics etc. are still permitted as carryon to non UK flights. But I'm not sure how
many Security Officers will be able to recognize an Ikelite Video Camera housing and a Pro-Lite II
lamp with a huge battery pack in it. It will raise suspicions no matter how "legal" it is.

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
Al Wells - 14 Aug 2006 02:44 GMT
> I know that electronics etc. are still permitted as carryon to non UK flights. But I'm not sure how
> many Security Officers will be able to recognize an Ikelite Video Camera housing and a Pro-Lite II
> lamp with a huge battery pack in it. It will raise suspicions no matter how "legal" it is.

We travel frequently with a camera housing and light canisters with
homemade NiMh battery packs. I usually carry the light head in my carry-
on and check the batteries and canisters. cindy usually carries the
camera in her carry-on and the housing in her checked bag. The light
heads have drawn alot of interest at the Xray machine, but have always
been cleared by the supervisor. About half of the time they go through
with no trouble at all. TSa always opens our checked bags. We rubber
band a cut sheet for the cannisters and battery packs to one of the
packs. I really don't think you'll have much of a problem.
Scott - 14 Aug 2006 03:43 GMT
> We travel frequently with a camera housing and light canisters with
> homemade NiMh battery packs. I usually carry the light head in my carry-
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> band a cut sheet for the cannisters and battery packs to one of the
> packs. I really don't think you'll have much of a problem.

Beats the sh.t out of screaming to your death over the Atlantic.
Al Wells - 14 Aug 2006 14:28 GMT
> Beats the sh.t out of screaming to your death over the Atlantic.

It's unfortunate that it's come to this, but yes, it does. If George
Bush implemented my solution on the afternoon of 9/11, the problem
would have been thrown into the laps of the Arabs, but I guess I'm too
politically incorrect.

The TSA guys in Jacksonville dropped my 14 AH lead acid batteries into
my acrylic AUL canister, with the expected result, but they did take
responsibility and wrap a form with instructions for making a claim
around the canister and battery pack. Since AUL is no longer in
business, and Curt would not quote a new canister, I decided that a
claim was more work than I was willing to do and I replaced the
canister with a much smaller and stronger Dive Rite and built some NiMh
packs to fit it. If I pressed it, I probably could have collected a
couple of hundred dollars, but I would have had to explain too much for
them to understand. I was going to replace the canister anyway, and
Bill Rennaker made me a very fair deal on some canisters and lids.
Scott - 15 Aug 2006 03:16 GMT
> > Beats the sh.t out of screaming to your death over the Atlantic.
>
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> them to understand. I was going to replace the canister anyway, and
> Bill Rennaker made me a very fair deal on some canisters and lids.

I have made literally dozens of replaceements over the years.

The tubing and plate are readily avalable from McMaster Carr.
Al Wells - 15 Aug 2006 12:12 GMT
> I have made literally dozens of replaceements over the years.
>
> The tubing and plate are readily avalable from McMaster Carr.

Yes, but you end up with a canister that has the same inherent problem.
Sometimes it happens soon, and sometimes it takes years. That's why you
made so many replacements for them.
Chris Guynn - 10 Aug 2006 23:00 GMT
> All - To anyone traveling by air with SCUBA gear over the next few weeks - I'd appreciate
> any reports regarding experiences with TSA et. al in re: getting your gear through security,
> given the "hightened" state of affairs. I'm going later this month and am now debating whether
> or not to take the Ikelite housing with the light and battery pack etc. (I think I'll be lucky enough
> to get my Pro Plus 2 past the random gate searches etc.).

Suggestion 1.) Don't pack a bomb in your suitcase.
Suggestion 2.) Ditto drugs.
Grumman-581 - 10 Aug 2006 23:22 GMT
> Suggestion 1.) Don't pack a bomb in your suitcase.
> Suggestion 2.) Ditto drugs.

As of today, don't carry much of anything in your carry-on luggage...
Even drinks that you purchased within the secure area of the
airport...  Given the crap that they serve for airline food these
days, I would sometimes bring a small lunch type cooler with a couple
of drinks and snacks in it when I was flying with Grace and Kaitlyn...
With the latest crap that the camel f.ckers have attempted to pull, I
would probably not be allowed on the plane with it these days... As we
all know, a can of Coke could probably take an airliner out of the sky
-- especially if it is carrying New Yorkers... Of course, here in
Texas, we would just ask if you had any rum to go along with that
Coke...
nospam@all.please.net - 10 Aug 2006 23:37 GMT
>> Suggestion 1.) Don't pack a bomb in your suitcase.
>> Suggestion 2.) Ditto drugs.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Texas, we would just ask if you had any rum to go along with that
> Coke...

Try to sober up before your next post.
Grumman-581 - 11 Aug 2006 00:40 GMT
> Try to sober up before your next post.

For someone from around Crowley, LA, that's quite a statement... I was
under the impression that a person was born in South Louisiana with a
beer bottle in one hand and a church key in the other... <grin>

So, where you go diving around there?  The rigs?  How far out do you
have to go before you get acceptable visibility and depth?
Chris Guynn - 11 Aug 2006 14:21 GMT
> > Suggestion 1.) Don't pack a bomb in your suitcase.
> > Suggestion 2.) Ditto drugs.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Texas, we would just ask if you had any rum to go along with that
> Coke...

We'd also ask if you'd kindly give it to us or if we should shoot you and
take it.
Limey - 12 Aug 2006 17:41 GMT
>> Suggestion 1.) Don't pack a bomb in your suitcase.
>> Suggestion 2.) Ditto drugs.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> days, I would sometimes bring a small lunch type cooler with a couple
> of drinks and snacks in it when I was flying with Grace and Kaitlyn...

I'm gonna start drinking breast milk in my rum again.......I never heard if
you should actually have a baby with you before you're allowed to take
breast milk onto a flight???

LD.
chilly - 13 Aug 2006 11:15 GMT
> >> Suggestion 1.) Don't pack a bomb in your suitcase.
> >> Suggestion 2.) Ditto drugs.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> you should actually have a baby with you before you're allowed to take
> breast milk onto a flight???

Today the news said if you have a baby with you . . then you can have a
bottle  . . .
of baby's milk.  They didn't say who was going to do the taste test.
Dillon Pyron - 15 Aug 2006 19:23 GMT
>>> Suggestion 1.) Don't pack a bomb in your suitcase.
>>> Suggestion 2.) Ditto drugs.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>LD.

In the UK they're making you taste it.
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Limey - 16 Aug 2006 11:19 GMT
>>>> Suggestion 1.) Don't pack a bomb in your suitcase.
>>>> Suggestion 2.) Ditto drugs.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> In the UK they're making you taste it.

Ewwwww, you mean without rum???

LD.
 
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