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Scuba Forum / General / July 2006gulf diving questions...
newbie making my first dive in the gulf near Sarasota in couple weeks... what type of wetsuit should I need? I have a 3.2 mm full suit,, I have 7 mm boots & which I need for the open heel fins I own.. a I suspect a 3mm shorty w/ full foot fins would be ideal,, should I wear my gear or will I be miserably hot?  SignatureRob > newbie making my first dive in the gulf near Sarasota in couple weeks... > what type of wetsuit should I need? I have a 3.2 mm full suit,, I have 7 mm > boots & which I need for the open heel fins I own.. a I suspect a 3mm > shorty w/ full foot fins would be ideal,, should I wear my gear or will I > be miserably hot? Each person has a different cold tolerance... Personally, I would probably just dive it with a t-shirt and trunks... A front zip shorty would be plenty and it would allow you to easily unzip it underwater if you started feeling too warm... Or to be more precise, you could start the dive with it unzipped most of the way and if you got to a depth where it felt cooler, you could zip it back up... > newbie making my first dive in the gulf near Sarasota in couple weeks... > what type of wetsuit should I need? I have a 3.2 mm full suit,, I have 7 mm > boots & which I need for the open heel fins I own.. a I suspect a 3mm > shorty w/ full foot fins would be ideal,, should I wear my gear or will I > be miserably hot? Water temp will be 84.7 degrees F two weeks from now. Viz will be really crappy. m > newbie making my first dive in the gulf near Sarasota in couple weeks... > what type of wetsuit should I need? I have a 3.2 mm full suit,, I have 7 > mm boots & which I need for the open heel fins I own.. a I suspect a 3mm > shorty w/ full foot fins would be ideal,, should I wear my gear or will I > be miserably hot? Plan on a long boat ride along most of the west coast. The water's in the 84 degree range here in Ft. Lauderdale at the moment. It's probably similar in the Sarasota area. I'll be diving this weekend in a lycra skin. YMMV. Lee > newbie making my first dive in the gulf near Sarasota in couple weeks... > what type of wetsuit should I need? I have a 3.2 mm full suit,, I have 7 > mm boots & which I need for the open heel fins I own.. a I suspect a 3mm > shorty w/ full foot fins would be ideal,, should I wear my gear or will I > be miserably hot? If you're a bone rack, the 3.2 will do nicely. If you're a man of substance, you'll be hot. Get a .5mm skin. The 7mm boots are overkill, but warm feet never bothered me. 5mm would be better, buy, don't rent, if you can. SignaturePopeye "Best thing for him, really, his therapy was going nowhere." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com > If you're a bone rack, the 3.2 will do nicely. > > If you're a man of substance, you'll be hot. Yeah. It sucks when you pee in your suit and instead of warming you up, it burns. Or maybe that was too much chili the night before, I dunno. > If you're a bone rack, the 3.2 will do nicely. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > 5mm would be better, buy, don't rent, if you can. I was thinking it might be a good excuse to buy a set of full foot fins :) either that or small water shoe type booties. BTW:the dive is only 20-30 ft.. > I was thinking it might be a good excuse to buy a set of full foot fins :) > either that or small water shoe type booties. > BTW:the dive is only 20-30 ft.. Mares Avante TRE fins if they will fit you. Apparently they don't fit people with narrow feet very well. That's not a problem I've ever had (EEE) Lee >> newbie making my first dive in the gulf near Sarasota in couple weeks... >> what type of wetsuit should I need? I have a 3.2 mm full suit,, I have 7 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > 5mm would be better, buy, don't rent, if you can. You fat fuckin pig. What the f.ck would you know about a wetsuit and in what body of water would you ever need thermal protection with a layer of fat on your bones like you got. Just how many pounds of weight does it take to get your fat a.s and that big set of titties under water? http://www.divernet.com/technique/0605fatdiver.shtml More hero worship- From fear. In the dark. Same as usual, for years now. SignaturePopeye "Best thing for him, really, his therapy was going nowhere." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com > More hero worship- > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Same as usual, for years now. Anwer the question baloney tits...............how many pounds does it take to get your fat a.s underwater? >> More hero worship- >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Anwer the question baloney tits...............how many pounds does it take > to get your fat a.s underwater? > More hero worship- > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Same as usual, for years now. Must be your cologne... <snip> > > Anwer the question baloney tits...............how many pounds does it take > > to get your fat a.s underwater? This weekend, diving steel tanks for the first time, I used 12 pounds. It was too much. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This weekend, diving steel tanks for the first time, I used 12 pounds. It > was too much. Jeasas..........you got baloney tits too chris? > This weekend, diving steel tanks for the first time, I used 12 pounds. It > was too much. Well, it could have been *too* too much since you're still able to post... Or have you found an internet connection in the afterlife? If so, tell Mickey to get off his lazy butt and start posting... > Well, it could have been *too* too much since you're still able to > post... Or have you found an internet connection in the afterlife? If > so, tell Mickey to get off his lazy butt and start posting... Hear, hear . . . but don't tell MJB about it. Lee > > Well, it could have been *too* too much since you're still able to > > post... Or have you found an internet connection in the afterlife? If [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Lee Mickey's too busy chasing the hot angel tail around to worry much about posting. I haven't seen MJB yet. Maybe he really is just setting some kind of underwater record. > Mickey's too busy chasing the hot angel tail around to worry much about > posting. I haven't seen MJB yet. Maybe he really is just setting some > kind > of underwater record. Popeye's really going to be pissed when MJB shows up with that computer printout. Lee >> Mickey's too busy chasing the hot angel tail around to worry much about >> posting. I haven't seen MJB yet. Maybe he really is just setting some [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Popeye's really going to be pissed when MJB shows up with that computer > printout. Naw, he lost the bet by the rules, and I'll meet him eventually, anyway. Run, run, run, they can never escape... SignaturePopeye I like to listen. I have learned a great deal from listening carefully. Most people never listen. -Hemingway > Naw, he lost the bet by the rules, and I'll meet him eventually, anyway. I think not. > > This weekend, diving steel tanks for the first time, I used 12 pounds. It > > was too much. > > Well, it could have been *too* too much since you're still able to > post... Or have you found an internet connection in the afterlife? If > so, tell Mickey to get off his lazy butt and start posting... It wasn't *too* too much, but the max depth was 25 ffw, so I'm not sure I could have carried enough to be *too* too much. Besides, I had my hand on the emergency weight release handle the whole time. Now if only I could find one of those for my body. :-) >newbie making my first dive in the gulf near Sarasota in couple weeks... >what type of wetsuit should I need? I have a 3.2 mm full suit,, I have 7 mm >boots & which I need for the open heel fins I own.. a I suspect a 3mm >shorty w/ full foot fins would be ideal,, should I wear my gear or will I >be miserably hot? I live in Sarasota and everybodys answers have been right on. Depending on your body type and cold tolerance, anything from shorts and a T to a 3/2 shorty will work. And sadly the vis. may well be "crappy". But when I was last out a couple of weeks ago it was pretty good for around here. I could see the bottom of the boat (dimly) at 45 feet. And on one wreck I saw a school of at least 500 Snook and 3-4 big Jew fish. Plus I came home with 3 sash style float weights lost by others. > newbie making my first dive in the gulf near Sarasota in couple weeks... > what type of wetsuit should I need? I have a 3.2 mm full suit,, I have 7 mm > boots & which I need for the open heel fins I own.. a I suspect a 3mm > shorty w/ full foot fins would be ideal,, should I wear my gear or will I > be miserably hot? I am always cold and I never wore a suit in the gulf. I did wear boots, and that was fine, but a 3.2 full suit will probably be too warm. > > newbie making my first dive in the gulf near Sarasota in couple weeks... > > what type of wetsuit should I need? I have a 3.2 mm full suit,, I have 7 mm [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I am always cold and I never wore a suit in the gulf. I did wear boots, > and that was fine, but a 3.2 full suit will probably be too warm. I'm in a 3 mm at 85°F even in a pool. Always chilly. That said, I haven't dove water above 55 but for brief stints on the surface over in Hood Canal, in nearly 3 years (other than the South Pacific tank at the aquarium). So, go with your cold tolerance here. Consider the 3/2 or the shorty. I'd want booties too, 5 mm. You can always add or lose the suit, or swap out suits for a second dive. * Emily wrote: > longshot wrote: > > >newbie making my first dive in the gulf near Sarasota in couple weeks... > > what type of wetsuit should I need? I have a 3.2 mm full suit,, I have 7 mm > > boots & which I need for the open heel fins I own.. a I suspect a 3mm [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> I am always cold and I never wore a suit in the gulf. I did wear boots, > >and that was fine, but a 3.2 full suit will probably be too warm. >I'm in a 3 mm at 85°F even in a pool. Always chilly. Me too, no pun intended. I dove for a week in 84-85 degree water while in Thailand (and do when in a pool too). Wore my 3 mm the whole time, never felt too hot until back on the boat. All I did then was roll down the top of my suit, sat in the shade and once in a while used the hose to water down the lower half. But like I said, once in the water, I was quite comfy. When the water is 77 to 79, I can be cold but I usually compensate that by wearing a banana on my head. (snip) >When the water is 77 to 79, I can be cold but I usually compensate that by >wearing a banana on my head. Like Carmen Miranda? > >When the water is 77 to 79, I can be cold but I usually compensate that by > >wearing a banana on my head. > > Like Carmen Miranda? No, like a biker. Try and keep up. ;^) > >When the water is 77 to 79, I can be cold but I usually compensate that by > >wearing a banana on my head. > > Like Carmen Miranda? I was going to ask how to keep it from rolling off the side of you head. >> >When the water is 77 to 79, I can be cold but I usually compensate that > by [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I was going to ask how to keep it from rolling off the side of you head. You peel it first. Duh. > >> >When the water is 77 to 79, I can be cold but I usually compensate that > > by [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You peel it first. Duh. I was picturing a smoooshed banana, peel at top..... * > > >When the water is 77 to 79, I can be cold but I usually compensate that > by [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I was going to ask how to keep it from rolling off the side of you head. I tie it. > Emily wrote: > > longshot wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > When the water is 77 to 79, I can be cold but I usually compensate that by > wearing a banana on my head. Below 80, I go to the 5/3, sometimes adding a hooded vest. Below 70, drysuit. Looking up the thermal properties of bananas now. How do they compare to argon for suit inflation? * >> Emily wrote: >> > longshot wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >* Ya know yer not supposed to even have em on the boat. http://www.wreckmastercharters.com/banana.htm <snip> > Below 80, I go to the 5/3, sometimes adding a hooded vest. Below 70, > drysuit. Are you serious? > <snip> > > > > Below 80, I go to the 5/3, sometimes adding a hooded vest. Below 70, > > drysuit. > > Are you serious? Yes. In the pool when teaching, I don't move around much sometimes. Cold aside, a speedo with a 3 mm over it is much more professional than a bikini especially given my age. As for below 70°, I prefer the drysuit to 7 mm neoprene for a number of reasons. Much heat is lost through the head, so I keep it covered unless its warmer than 80°. The more body mass one has, the more efficiently one retains heat. Men have a distinct advantage here as they usually have a greater body mass. And I don't like calling or even shortening a dive because I am cold. * >> <snip> >>> Below 80, I go to the 5/3, sometimes adding a hooded vest. Below 70, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > * And I thought I was cold blooded. I'm ALWAYS cold, but never had a problem in the gulf (of course, I wasn't complaining about being WARM, either) > >> <snip> > >>> Below 80, I go to the 5/3, sometimes adding a hooded vest. Below 70, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > problem in the gulf (of course, I wasn't complaining about being WARM, > either) LOL - It's been a few years since I have been in the gulf in winter, but I remember thinking it would be warm and then researching the temp and thinkin - yup, drysuit. I wasn't sorry. In April I think I dove a 7mm jumpsuit once, but remember wishing i had brought the drysuit. Temp was maybe high 60's? There are always a few in drysuits in the Keys at Christmastime. I do draw the line here. It's the freeking Florida Keys for Pete's sake, and I'm gonna be WET. Hence the 5/3 with hooded vest. Water's been near 70° then, so that's my bottom line. After 45 min or so in the water, I am almost always feeling a bit chilled unless its Belize in July, or something. * > After 45 min or so in the water, I am almost always feeling a bit > chilled unless its Belize in July, or something. Wait till this winter. I'll be diving a wetsuit and the top 15 will be 36 to 38. The bottom warms up to a balmy 46. > > After 45 min or so in the water, I am almost always feeling a bit > > chilled unless its Belize in July, or something. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The bottom warms up to a balmy 46. Well, don't come whining to me when you are freeeeking cold, then. *, who has been under ice in 7mm neoprene > Well, don't come whining to me when you are freeeeking cold, then. > > *, who has been under ice in 7mm neoprene I dont whine to anyone. I am only gratefull that I live in a place that gets cold enough to keep most people away when the vis is best. > > Well, don't come whining to me when you are freeeeking cold, then. > > > > *, who has been under ice in 7mm neoprene > > I dont whine to anyone. ;-) > I am only gratefull that I live in a place that gets cold enough to keep > most people away when the vis is best. I don't mind getting out of the water here as its usually above freezing. In the midwest, I hated getting out - my hair would freeze instantly sometimes, as soon as my hood was off. I was often so tempted just to wear the drysuit, hood, gloves and all, to drive home. * >> I dont whine to anyone. Except, perhaps, about relocating all the way across the country to a job that proved to be somewhat different than expected. > I was often so tempted just to wear the drysuit, hood, gloves and all, to > drive home. And you didn't why? I once went skiing during a South Dakota winter. It was 15 below when I was standing still. I have no idea what the wind chill effect was as I skiied down the slop. I can, however, tell you that I had to stop regularly to get feeling back in my face, even with goggles and a scarf. That was the same year that I went out to find the car's windshield and door lock covered with ice. Warm water got me into the lock, but proved to be a less than stellar idea for the ice on the windshield. It didn't break the window, or anything, but it did immediately freeze into even harder, and harder to melt ice. Yes, I know it's a bad idea, now, but I am a Florida native. Things like frozen door locks and ice on windshields are not normal for me. Another hint for those who don't suspect just how bad the cold can get. It can also interfere with power windows, something I learned in a rental car, in a particularly bad blizzard in Cincinnatti. It was a 4 wheel drive. That lesson, I learned in the Carolinas, where it snowed 18 inches in one night. Great for skiing, not real good for driving. Lee > >> I dont whine to anyone. > > Except, perhaps, about relocating all the way across the country to a job > that proved to be somewhat different than expected. That was Koplin's whine, not mine :-) I'm perfectly happy about my move across the country with spouse, as it resuulted in another teaching job that I very much enjoy. > > I was often so tempted just to wear the drysuit, hood, gloves and all, to > > drive home. > > And you didn't why? Truthfully - I've done so, at least til we got the car warm enough to remove the hood. I've walked through a lot of hotel lobbies in my thermals. The Steamers restaurant at Titlow Beach here lets me in to use the restroom in my drysuit. > I once went skiing during a South Dakota winter. It was 15 below when I was > standing still. I have no idea what the wind chill effect was as I skiied [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > window, or anything, but it did immediately freeze into even harder, and > harder to melt ice. I love skking out here when the air is maybe 40° and there is a new layer of powder from the night before. > Yes, I know it's a bad idea, now, but I am a Florida native. Things like > frozen door locks and ice on windshields are not normal for me. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It was a 4 wheel drive. That lesson, I learned in the Carolinas, where it > snowed 18 inches in one night. Great for skiing, not real good for driving. I miss nothing about the midwest except my kids. * > That was Koplin's whine, not mine :-) Yeah, I know. I should have put his name on that part, but I got lazy. As far as I know, you didn't claim not to whine either, but I could be wrong . . . again. > I love skking out here when the air is maybe 40° and there is a new > layer of powder from the night before. I'm not a fan of powder. Where I ski, or where I used to ski, what I call ideal conditions, you would call icy. What I call icy, you'd call boilerplate, etc. Powder of any significant depth, is too slow and too much work. Thanks to some bad habits that I get away with on hard pack, my razor sharp Olin Mk VIs dumped me in the snow frequently last time I visited Park City. I wound up renting some performance skiis from the shop, skies that had been deliberately dulled at both ends. Lee > > That was Koplin's whine, not mine :-) > > Yeah, I know. I should have put his name on that part, but I got lazy. As > far as I know, you didn't claim not to whine either, but I could be wrong . > . . again. Calling a thieving, lying sack of sh.t a liar isnt whining. >> Yeah, I know. I should have put his name on that part, but I got lazy. > As [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Calling a thieving, lying sack of sh.t a liar isnt whining. True, but much of what was wrong with the move was inherent in the move. You didn't look very well before you jumped. Other issues just made a bad situation worse. It's OK. Some good came out of it. We got to meet. Lee > I'm not a fan of powder. I ski skiboards (i.e. very short [68-85 cm] skis)... Powder *sucks* with them, but on groomed slopes, it's easy to do things like 360s and skiing backwards... In powder, you very quickly learn how to do a face plant since it's rather difficult to keep the front of the skis above the powder... They're small enough that I can throw them in a regular piece of luggage nor do I need any type of special roof top carrier for them on the vehicle I rent while at the ski area... For skiing powder, I've found that the parabolic skis make a tremendous amount of difference... Hwæt! "Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net>, men ne cunnon secgan to soðe: > Powder of any significant depth, is too slow and too much > work. Then you don't know how to ski. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > That was Koplin's whine, not mine :-) > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Lee In the midwest. we skiid on ice, down hills. Here we ski down mountains, on powder. Which do I prefer... hmm lemme thing about that one. * , old enought not to mind the powder slowing her down a bit > Well, don't come whining to me when you are freeeeking cold, then. > > *, who has been under ice in 7mm neoprene Other than the warmth aspect of it, do you prefer diving in a wetsuit or a drysuit? For example, if you were doing surface supplied diving, would you prefer a drysuit or a hot water suit? > > Well, don't come whining to me when you are freeeeking cold, then. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > or a drysuit? For example, if you were doing surface supplied diving, > would you prefer a drysuit or a hot water suit? I really can't say unless temp is involved. I love diving really warm water in a 3 mm. The drysuit is strictly for warmth, but I can't imagine choosing NOT to dive cold water just because its cold. I love cold water diving too. I will do my first surface-supplied dives this week when I finally get to hop in the aquarium here as a volunteer. I was surprised that there was so much red tape; our aquarium is AAUS and requires all divers to be AAUS certified, so I had to jump some hoops and pass the physical. I'll be diving both wet and dry, as we have both South Pacific and North Pacific tanks and I have to do the orientation to both. I'll let you know if I like dry or wet best from that perspective. I can't wait - me and 23 sharks in a tank. Woohoo. Somehow, I think though that I would lke the warm water suit better, but not knowing precisely how each suit works and not having been in either for hours, I don't know. You? * > I really can't say unless temp is involved. I love diving really warm > water in a 3 mm. The drysuit is strictly for warmth, but I can't > imagine choosing NOT to dive cold water just because its cold. I love > cold water diving too. I guess I was just curious from a comfort standpoint... > I can't wait - me and 23 sharks in a tank. Woohoo. If we don't hear form you again, we'll just assume that you got a bit too involved in the feeding process... > Somehow, I think though that I would lke the warm water suit better As a female, I suspect that you would like not having to wear Depends on very long dives since the water supply would be the equivalent of a 'flush'... > but not knowing precisely how each suit works and not having been in > either for hours, I don't know. You? I don't like tight things around my neck, so I suspect that I would prefer wetsuits (or hot water suits) to drysuits... > > I really can't say unless temp is involved. I love diving really warm > > water in a 3 mm. The drysuit is strictly for warmth, but I can't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If we don't hear form you again, we'll just assume that you got a bit > too involved in the feeding process... Actually we don't feed them. They are fed on Tuesdays and we dive on Wednesdays. The idea is for them not to associate divers with food. > > Somehow, I think though that I would lke the warm water suit better > > As a female, I suspect that you would like not having to wear Depends > on very long dives since the water supply would be the equivalent of a > 'flush'... hahaha - depends are not my favorite thing... but can be very useful when you NEED them. > > but not knowing precisely how each suit works and not having been in > > either for hours, I don't know. You? > > I don't like tight things around my neck, so I suspect that I would > prefer wetsuits (or hot water suits) to drysuits... I don't either. It's omething you just get used to, if you want to dive badly enough. * > I don't either. It's omething you just get used to, if you want to > dive badly enough. You could apply that spirit to getting used to the cold. I'll suffer a wetsuit down all the way as low as 68 degrees, just because I hate neck seals and FBS (full bladder syndrome). > I'll suffer a wetsuit down all the way as low as 68 degrees, > just because I hate neck seals and FBS (full bladder syndrome). There was a company awhile back that had an electrical heating pad / element for wetsuits that you could hook up to a canster light type battery pack... A bit more portable than a surface supplied hot water suit, I suspect... >> I'll suffer a wetsuit down all the way as low as 68 degrees, >> just because I hate neck seals and FBS (full bladder syndrome). [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > battery pack... A bit more portable than a surface supplied hot water > suit, I suspect... I carry my own hot water supply with me, forget about surface supply. (Well, it ain't exactly 100% water, but it works in a pinch) > I carry my own hot water supply with me, forget about surface supply. > > (Well, it ain't exactly 100% water, but it works in a pinch) Well, if we use *that* solution, all we need to stay warm is to carry a couple of 6-packs with us while diving... Drink one periodially while underwater and we'll have an additional reserve to our hot water supply... Hmmmm... For some reason, I think we're attempting to violated one of the laws of thermodynamics there... > Well, if we use *that* solution, all we need to stay warm is to carry > a couple of 6-packs with us while diving... Drink one periodially [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Hmmmm... For some reason, I think we're attempting to violated one of > the laws of thermodynamics there... Not necessarily, if you're fueling the fire with calorie-laden beer. I suppose a sugar-laden "energy water" might work as well for underwater teetotalers. > our aquarium is AAUS and requires all divers to > be AAUS certified, so I had to jump some hoops and pass the physical. I was an AAUS gas diver for a year - do they still use goofy gases, or have they caught up and changed to 50%/O2? > > our aquarium is AAUS and requires all divers to > > be AAUS certified, so I had to jump some hoops and pass the physical. > > I was an AAUS gas diver for a year - do they still use goofy gases, or > have they caught up and changed to 50%/O2? I honestly don't know as my first work is Wednesday. All I'm doing this week is some husbandry in the aquaria, on surface-supplied air. I assume its air anyway, although they were very interested in my mixed gas certs. They did ask if I would be willing to do some classes for others who will be on my team as some don't have nitrox cert and we will apparently be using that when we go out collecting. What kind of diving did you do, and what gases did you use? I'm off to find the handbook now - * > What kind of diving did you do, and what gases did you use? I'm off to > find the handbook now - I was involved in a project to identify a shipwreck in 230 ft. in a warm water marine sanctuary. The standards called for an 80 each of Ean35 and Ean80. We used 18/50 on the bottom (50% banked Ean36 and 50% He). > <snip> > > > > Below 80, I go to the 5/3, sometimes adding a hooded vest. Below 70, > > drysuit. > > Are you serious? While I'll use a trilaminate instead of a 5/3, below 70 I'll be in a drysuit also. Dennis > > <snip> > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Dennis The 5/3 is a wetsuit. Both my drysuits are shell; one is trilam and the other is bilam. I tried the drysuit once with only thin polypro at about 75° and found that I liked the 5/3 better at that temp. Below 70° I want the 200g thermals. * * >"Star" <lclee1@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1153668324.947212.174510@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> > <snip> >> > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >about 75° and found that I liked the 5/3 better at that temp. Below >70° I want the 200g thermals. Hi Star, Yeah, I know its a wetsuit. So's the trilam - equiv to a 3 mm wetsuit with no bouyancy change. I'll be in DUI actionwear (wiuth vest if its really cold) since I found the 200g thermals they make a bit too binding. http://www.dui-online.com/dw_action.htm <snip> ***Below 80, I go to the 5/3, sometimes adding a hooded vest. Below 70, drysuit.*** This weekend I was in water somewhere in the 70-74 range (it stays there perpetually) in a skin. I was mostly comfortable although I did notice the thermocline as I surfaced. I wear the skin more for protection from the sun than anything else. > This weekend I was in water somewhere in the 70-74 range (it stays there > perpetually) in a skin. I was mostly comfortable although I did notice > the > thermocline as I surfaced. I wear the skin more for protection from the > sun > than anything else. Assuming the surface temperature was warmer than 70-74, that doesn't really count. It's a lot easier to get progressively colder under water than to jump in and start right away at a frigid temperature. I've done my local lake in a T-shirt and shorts, spending most of the dive in the mid-60s. The surface is 90 or so and cools a bit before the thermocline so you have plenty of time to get used to cooler temperature on the way down, especially given the very gentle slope. There's another thermocline below that, but I couldn't hold the reg in my mouth very well once my teeth started chattering so I didn't stay long enough to get a read on my computer. It's all in your head. We were conditioned to expect cold water a few weeks ago in Horseshoe Bay, purportedly in the upper 60s to low 70s. I jumped in wearing my 5mm FJ and hood, immediately felt the cold, and gave out a loud scream. Then I noticed that my computer said 79 degrees. I still felt cold for while, not trusting my computer, until I finally reached over and checked my buddy's. Confirming the 79 degrees, I immediately felt warmer, switched back into my 3+3 back on the boat, and spent the remainder of the dives there hoodless and entirely comfortable. > > This weekend I was in water somewhere in the 70-74 range (it stays there > > perpetually) in a skin. I was mostly comfortable although I did notice [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Assuming the surface temperature was warmer than 70-74, that doesn't really > count. The temperature in the shallow area (before the drop off - max 5 ft.) was around 74. I don't know what the temp was in the "deep" area (max 25 ft.) because I really didn't care enough to check. I did feel it get warm when I re-entered the shallow area at the end of the dive. It was just under 100 where I was standing in the shade before I got in the water. I'd guess between 105 and 110 in the sun. |
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