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Scuba Forum / General / August 2006Integrated Weights Just Fall Out ?
Integrated Weights Just fall Out ? All: - Just got a new Cressi BC with Integrated weight system. On my first shore dive, checking this whole thing out, I loaded up the weight pockets with my usual shore diving weight load, ( 22 lbs ) 2 weights in each side, tightened it all up, put the gear on and started out, only to find that when I went horizontal, the weights on one side rotated forward and then just fell out. Stopped, found the weights, retightened them all, then apprehensivly did my shallow check out dive. On coming back, in 6 feet of water, just as the tide started ripping my dive buddy saw the weights again fall to the bottom No pain, no blood, - But is there some trick to using integrated weights so that they don't drop out, suddenly shooting you to the surface ? not A Word in the Cressi Manual about Integrated weights in the BC Documentation.. - So I Checked with Cressi, They brushed me off, said to check with the local dive shop. Dive shop didn't know. If there is an undocumented trick you've heard of, let us all know Many Thanks > Integrated Weights Just fall Out ? > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Many Thanks first things that come to my mind at this point are the following: 1) Are you sure this BC uses integrated weights? Maybe you're just putting weights in equipment pockets that are not meant to hold 11 pounds each. 2) Did you buy the BC at the LDS? If so, get a new shop if they can'thelp you. If you bought it online, they probably will fake ignorance - you're on your own. If you did buy it from the shop, didn't they show you how to set it up? I can't imagine any BC with integrated weights requiring any "undocumented trick" - it's all got to be straitforward and simple. Like, changing a lightbulb doesn't require any "undocumented trick". 3) Are you just pulling our legs? - Dave > > Integrated Weights Just fall Out ? > > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > 1) Are you sure this BC uses integrated weights? Maybe you're just putting > weights in equipment pockets that are not meant to hold 11 pounds each. \ Nope, Travel-litte BC has integrated weight pouches.. But No Documentatin on them.. > 2) Did you buy the BC at the LDS? I would NEVER buy Life support Equipment online... or at " grey market" either.. Akin to buying a Parachute on Ebay . . > 3) Are you just pulling our legs? - Nope.. Not at all ; true fact.. really happened.. I am quite buoyant, so need a bit of weight to hold me down. Where I dive has low Vis & tidal currents that start up rapidly ; Hence hugging the bottom is a good idea .. > - Dave > > > Integrated Weights Just fall Out ? snip > > > not A Word in the Cressi Manual about Integrated weights in the BC > > > > > > Documentation.. snip > > first things that come to my mind at this point are the following: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Nope, Travel-litte BC has integrated weight pouches.. But No > Documentatin on them.. Cressi makes a model called Aqualight R. Is that what you have?. Here's an online vendor's description that states "up to 4 lbs" per side. http://www.joediveramerica.com/page/JDA/PROD/bc/IC72250X > > 2) Did you buy the BC at the LDS? > > I would NEVER buy Life support Equipment online... > or at " grey market" either.. snip If you've got an Aqualight R, it appears joeamerica.com provides more useful info about the weight-integration than your local dive shop or Cressi. A safer approach is to know the specs before buying the BC, regardless of vendor. JMHO. Dave C >> 2) Did you buy the BC at the LDS? > >I would NEVER buy Life support Equipment online... >or at " grey market" either.. > >Akin to buying a Parachute on Ebay . . I bought my regulator on Ebay. I then spent the $45 to have my LDS service it. I don't see a problem with it nor did my LDS. I did get a comment that said I was too much of a rookie to be able to deserve such a fine regulator:-) >>> 2) Did you buy the BC at the LDS? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >a comment that said I was too much of a rookie to be able to deserve >such a fine regulator:-) What reg. do you have John? I probably missed our mentioning it in an earlier post. So forgive me for asking. Wayne >>>> 2) Did you buy the BC at the LDS? >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >What reg. do you have John? I probably missed our mentioning it in an >earlier post. So forgive me for asking. Mares V32 Ice >>>>> 2) Did you buy the BC at the LDS? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >Mares V32 Ice Can't go wrong John. Good stuff. Good price on the servicing I guess. My two Atomics cost $75 each to service. I may have taken a bath though. Wayne >>>>>> 2) Did you buy the BC at the LDS? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Wayne Was his a strip and look or did they put in real parts. I pay about $70 a throw for service on our Vipers.  Signaturedillon JAFO >>>>>>> 2) Did you buy the BC at the LDS? >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >Was his a strip and look or did they put in real parts. I pay about >$70 a throw for service on our Vipers. Dillon; I had mine done at ExtaSea in Orlando. They returned the old parts. The folks at ExtaSea tuned these regs. beyond belief. The damn things were breathing on their own. Well almost. Ha Ha. That was their (the reg's) first servicing and I didn't know what to expect price wise. The Atomic brand techs were sparse eight years ago. Remember the blow torch incident? (Heresay: At one time, Atomic advertised their regs "T1" as " O2 ready". After the blow torch they changed the manual to 40%). Anyway, now I'm over in Texas near S. Padre island. There's a dive shop here that does Atomic and ScubaPro. I've got a couple of them too. Yo John! Did the annual improve your reg's performance? >Yo John! Did the annual improve your reg's performance? I wouldn't know as I didn't use it before that. I actually bought it the morning of my second classroom/pool dive. I put a bid in with 3 hours to go of $355 for the 1st stage, primary, octo and pressure gauge. I had a din as well as the..."regular" valve. I came home to discover that I had won...nobody else bid on it. Anyway, it wasn't ready for my checkout dives. There was some signs of salt water so he let it soak for a while. The shop has also "tightened" up the purge on my octo as it would start free flowing at the slightest bump of the purge button. They did that the night before I did my deep dive for my AOW. I had it free flow that evening while swimming through some milfoil during my navigation dive which threw me a little off course. So far it has worked perfectly (except for the touchy purge button) in the coldest of waters which is exactly what I was looking for. It breathes super easy even at depths of 60 feet. BTW, my shop charges $15 per stage + parts. Mine didn't need any parts. > Integrated Weights Just fall Out ? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > only to find that when I went horizontal, the > weights on one side rotated forward and then just fell out. I am not familiar with the Cressi BC. I have a ScubaPro Patriot BC with weight integration and have never had a problem like that. My BC has two weight pouches in the cumberbund area that are secured with velcro. I also have two pockets on the front for other stuff but are not intended for weight. I also have two weight pouches on the back near the middle of the tank for smaller weights. What sort of release system do you have for the weight pouches? Are you certain the weights are going in the weight pouches and not in one of the pockets for other stuff? > Integrated Weights Just fall Out ? > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - So I Checked with Cressi, I can't even find the manufacturers website, and I don't have time to look. > They brushed me off, said to check with the local dive shop. > > Dive shop didn't know. do they not use this system as well? That's pretty lame. > If there is an undocumented trick you've heard of, let us all know Yes, but its pretty well documented. Ditch this thing fast and just get a BP/wing. You can get a SS plate that will take at least 8 lbs of lead from your weight system. There are many more ways to trim yourself out without toting around 22 lbs of lead in pockets. * >> Integrated Weights Just fall Out ? >> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > >* Bingo! We have a winner! :-) >Integrated Weights Just fall Out ? > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >Many Thanks What model number? > If there is an undocumented trick you've heard of, let us all know > > Many Thanks Usually when people say "sell that crap on e-bay and get a backplate" I roll my eyes, but that may be the right answer here. Self ejecting weight is simply dangerous. You need to either figure out how it works, or get rid of it. And frankly, I think you should be putting a little more of the burden on the dickhead that sold you the POS. -I'd- be down there at the LDS giving it to him as a suppository. That's EXACTLY WHY you don't buy grey market, remember?????? As far as undocumented tricks, put 14-16lbs (4 x 4lb, for instance) of your weight on your tank strap bands, non-ditchable, and put the rest in the pockets. 8 lbs is more than enough to ditch if you're otherwise weighted correctly. If it still falls out, start figuring out exactly how much your life is worth. > Usually when people say "sell that crap on e-bay and get a backplate" I > roll my eyes, but that may be the right answer here. > Self ejecting weight is simply dangerous. Yep, but it's common. I bet I've found at least half a dozen proprietary weight pouches of one kind or another. I'll go a step further, Putting 20 lbs, or whatever the quoted number was, in pockets, when you could move drop 6-8 lbs simply by changing to a stainless plate & wing, is crazy. OK, so you need some ditchable weight . . . maybe. It's pretty certain, however, that you don't need 20 lbs of ditchable weight. Lee I have an older Seaquest Black Diamond, and have had the weight pouches fall out several times, even though I am using under the stated capacity (12 lbs vs. 16 lbs each) in the pouches. Always happened on the bottom, and was able to reinsert the pouch, but last dive it happened hovering over the wreck. If I didn't have a reel ties in I would have become a bullet to the surface. Sea Quest also blew me off, a friend with a Black Diamond had the same problem. I now have a DUI weight and trim system and won't be buying Sea Quest anything again. > Integrated Weights Just fall Out ? > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Many Thanks |
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