> posted by Ern Campbell, MD, on 10footstop
>
> (for you newbies, 10footstop is the only diving medical source
> worth a sh.t, and a {free} subscription is mandatory for all
> divers that have even the slightest interest in their health.)
Absolutely.
> Study Highlights
> *Study subjects underwent echocardiography at baseline and 1
> hour following a 25-minute dive at a mean depth of 34.3 m.
34m = 112ft, although its not clear if this is fsw or ffw.
In any event, that ~3% difference would still suggest using 110fsw on a
generic dive table, and as per the old (ie "60ft for 60min") USN Dive
Tables, this profile of 25 minutes @ 110fsw would have called for a 3
minute (True) Decompression Stop at 10fsw. More modern tables would
have called for even longer stops.
It is unclear if their dive protocol included a 3 minute 'safety' stop
or not.
In any event, if it did, then the results would fairly faithfully
represent the level of bubbles that were present within what used to be
the accepted standard. If not, then it exceeded this old standard
(relatively slightly).
> *All participants had evidence of circulating bubbles, and 7 of
> the 10 divers had grade 3 bubbles (the majority of cardiac
> periods contained bubble signals singularly or in group).
Definitions:
Grade 0 = no detectable bubbles
Grade 1 = an occasional bubble, with most cardiac cycles free
Grade 2 = many, but less than half, of the cycles contain bubbles
Grade 3 = most cardiac cycles contain bubbles
Grade 4 = severe bubbling which obscures the cardiac signal
General Interpretation:
With grade 0 bubbles, there is little chance of DCS; with grades 1 and
2 there is moderate risk. The risk of DCS is greatest when grade 3 or
4 bubbling is present.
(from: http://www.brooks.af.mil/af/files/fsguide/HTML/Chapter_03.html )
And with 70% of the test subjects manifesting bubbles in excess of
Grade 2, let's take a moment to pause and thank the volunteers who
agreed to be exposed in this test.
> Take home stuff:
> Scuba diving can reduce peripheral blood flow, increase the
> release of atrial natriuretic peptide and diuresis, and increase
> the arterial partial pressures of oxygen and nitrogen.
> The current study suggests that oral rehydration following
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
> recreational scuba diving may reduce echocardiographic changes
> associated with diving.
Plus before the dive, too. Think of this as YA scientific study that
shows why its good for you to need to pee in your wetsuit.
-hh
mike gray - 12 Jul 2006 14:34 GMT
>>posted by Ern Campbell, MD, on 10footstop
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Did you send these comments to Campbell?
Dave C - 12 Jul 2006 14:45 GMT
> > posted by Ern Campbell, MD, on 10footstop
> >
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>
> Absolutely.
Thank you Mike and Hugh for excellent posts!
The link to free subscription for 10footstop:
http://mail.scuba-doc.com/mailman/listinfo/10footstop_scuba-doc.com
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> General Interpretation:
>
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>
> (from: http://www.brooks.af.mil/af/files/fsguide/HTML/Chapter_03.html )
Good food for thought. I'll try to find out what "moderate risk" means,
though.
> And with 70% of the test subjects manifesting bubbles in excess of
> Grade 2, let's take a moment to pause and thank the volunteers who
> agreed to be exposed in this test.
Depending on what they mean by "moderate risk", I might like to
participate in a such a study.
> > Take home stuff:
> > Scuba diving can reduce peripheral blood flow, increase the
> > release of atrial natriuretic peptide and diuresis, and increase
> > the arterial partial pressures of oxygen and nitrogen.
In the exerpt, the study's authors did not comment on which factors in
scuba diving caused the reduced peripheral blood flow. I think
peripheral vasoconstriction due to cooling would be the prime factor,
which would imply that, compared to wetsuit diving, drysuit diving
would have less dehydration and therefore less concentration of
bubbles.
If so, I can use this as a good argument for the degree to which I try
to avoid being cold by wearing more undergarments, using double socks
and drygloves, ice cap, etc., even in water up to 60 degrees. "I'm
_not_ a wuss, I'm reducing my chance of bubble illness!" 8^)
I've found that my added warmth has meant I can spend long periods (up
to 4 hours over a couple of dives) in sub-50 degree water without
reaching a point of bladder pain, so I would assume I'm remaining
better hydrated. I may have a little increased sweat in the
undergarments, but that doesn't seem like a big factor in my low
exertion dives.
> > The current study suggests that oral rehydration following
> ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
> > recreational scuba diving may reduce echocardiographic changes
> > associated with diving.
> Plus before the dive, too. Think of this as YA scientific study that
> shows why its good for you to need to pee in your wetsuit.
Good point about the benefit of overhydration.
Dave C
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Alan Street - 12 Jul 2006 19:11 GMT
> > > posted by Ern Campbell, MD, on 10footstop
> > >
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>
> http://mail.scuba-doc.com/mailman/listinfo/10footstop_scuba-doc.com
Thanks, Dave.
Alan
Dillon Pyron - 14 Jul 2006 03:13 GMT
>> posted by Ern Campbell, MD, on 10footstop
>>
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>
>34m = 112ft, although its not clear if this is fsw or ffw.
If you're using a gauge, it really doesn't matter. All a gauge does
is convert pound/grams per square inch/centimeter into feet/meters.
Since it's all about pressure, it doesn't matter. Now, if you're
hanging out on a rope 15 feet below the ship, it is going to count for
something..
I remember being on the hard bottom at Black Rock on Maui and
listening to the ascent alarm going off as the surf passed over head.
Bother us enough to head for deeper water.

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