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Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full fill, removal & replacement. Maybe I have a phobia, but everytime that water hits my nose I breath in water. Help!! Any ideas? > Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full fill, > removal & replacement. Maybe I have a phobia, but everytime that water hits > my nose I breath in water. Help!! Any ideas? Practice in a pool. It comes to some faster than others.  Signature“TANSTAAFL” ”it’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees” ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >> Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full fill, >> removal & replacement. Maybe I have a phobia, but everytime that water hits [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >It comes to some faster than others. Like d&c said, take your time and practice. You could try wearing a nose clip till you get this skill down. >>> Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full fill, >>> removal & replacement. Maybe I have a phobia, but everytime that water hits [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Like d&c said, take your time and practice. You could try wearing a >nose clip till you get this skill down. You forgot the smiley face. You are kidding, right? How could you clear a mask wearing a nose clip? >>>Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full fill, >>>removal & replacement. Maybe I have a phobia, but everytime that water hits [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Like d&c said, take your time and practice. You could try wearing a > nose clip till you get this skill down. You wanna rethink this nose clip thing??? >>>>Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full fill, >>>>removal & replacement. Maybe I have a phobia, but everytime that water hits [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >You wanna rethink this nose clip thing??? It was meant as a joke. :-) >>>>>Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full fill, >>>>>removal & replacement. Maybe I have a phobia, but everytime that water hits [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > It was meant as a joke. :-) my apologies - I missed it completely :-) > > It was meant as a joke. :-) > > my apologies - I missed it completely :-) You gotta quit smoking that sh.t so early in the morning... >>>It was meant as a joke. :-) >> >>my apologies - I missed it completely :-) > > You gotta quit smoking that sh.t so early in the morning... its the vodka >>>>It was meant as a joke. :-) >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >its the vodka You use vodka in your bong? I thought we were the only ones that did that (way back when). Signaturedillon JAFO >>>>>It was meant as a joke. :-) >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You use vodka in your bong? I thought we were the only ones that did > that (way back when). no bong - just the vodka > You use vodka in your bong? I thought we were the only ones that did > that (way back when). Vodka is for lightweights, we used Jack Daniels or Cuervo. >>You use vodka in your bong? I thought we were the only ones that did >>that (way back when). > > Vodka is for lightweights, we used Jack Daniels or Cuervo. Corn. THe vapors alone will mess you up. But ya gotta watch your flame, the stuff can be flammable.... Signature“TANSTAAFL” ”it’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees” ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 > Corn. > > The vapors alone will mess you up. > > But ya gotta watch your flame, the stuff can be flammable.... I think Richard Pryor could shed a little light here... He used pet ether... For a while. Carlin said "f.ck that, and I had another heart attack." > > Corn. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > He used pet ether... Petroleum ether has its place, but it's better used during the extraction and concentration steps than it is during final delivery :-) > For a while. > > Carlin said "f.ck that, and I had another heart attack." > Corn. > The vapors alone will mess you up. > But ya gotta watch your flame, the stuff can be flammable.... Last time I took some of the 'shine contributed by one of my friends, could have been Doug, could have been Rick, to a party, a recent divorcee, already partly in the bag, wanted to try some. Before giving it to her, I warned her that it was high test and proved it by dumping a cap full into the fire pit. The flames should have been warning enough. The next day, she referred to me as the devil incarnate for having provided her the means to the hangover she was suffering from. It's a good thing I'm happily married. Had I been single, I suspect that night would have been a sure thing and I don't need a woman that doesn't pay attention to flaming warnings. Lee >> Corn. >> The vapors alone will mess you up. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >her that it was high test and proved it by dumping a cap full into the fire >pit. The flames should have been warning enough. >Lee Need another gallon? Rick Simms > Need another gallon? Only if you and Chris will drink it before you leave. My old stomach hates it and everybody I know down here has learned better than to say "Sure, I'd love some." Lee > > Need another gallon? > > Only if you and Chris will drink it before you leave. My old stomach hates > it and everybody I know down here has learned better than to say "Sure, I'd > love some." Me? Drink? Surely you jest... ;-) It might be a bit much for my tastes, but I'm willing to try just about anything twice (just in case the first time was a fluke). :-) >> > Need another gallon? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >It might be a bit much for my tastes, but I'm willing to try just about >anything twice (just in case the first time was a fluke). :-) He was refering Chris...my "little" son who has also learned better but chooses to ignore it on occasion. If you want a gallon or two to try I can arrange that or I'm sure Popeye can. One of the two. Do you prefer grape, watermelon, strawberry or blueberry infusion? Rick Simms ***************************** These days about half the stuff in my shopping cart says, "For fast relief." > Me? Drink? Surely you jest... ;-) > It might be a bit much for my tastes, but I'm willing to try just about > anything twice (just in case the first time was a fluke). :-) Different Chris, but you're welcome to help reduce the stock as well. Does that mean you're coming? Lee > > Me? Drink? Surely you jest... ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Different Chris, but you're welcome to help reduce the stock as well. Does > that mean you're coming? I wish. I'm gonna be hanging out with a bunch of snotty nosed little kids in God's country (aka Davis Mountains). Sorry. > Lee > I wish. I'm gonna be hanging out with a bunch of snotty nosed little kids > in God's country (aka Davis Mountains). To start it off right, the first thing you have each of them do is dig a hole a few feet deep... Then you tell 'em that that is going to be their grave if they don't act right... <evil-grin> I always figured that negative motivation works best... > > I wish. I'm gonna be hanging out with a bunch of snotty nosed little kids > > in God's country (aka Davis Mountains). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I always figured that negative motivation works best... I'll be in a really good situation. If I get tired of them, I can leave them for a while. I have no real responsibility for them so I can just pawn them off on the people who do. I'm also going to be fixing steaks for a bunch of snotty nosed adults and painting a rosy picture of the job I've been doing with the organization. It should be a lot of fun. On a bright note, I'll get to spend more than a day per week with my wife for the first time since May. >>> Corn. >>> The vapors alone will mess you up. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Rick Simms hmm... how easy is it to ship? :P most spritis here are either 37.5 or 40 % alc. 75 and 80 proof. a 100+ proof would be an interesting experiment :P > >>> Corn. > >>> The vapors alone will mess you up. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > most spritis here are either 37.5 or 40 % alc. 75 and 80 proof. a 100+ > proof would be an interesting experiment :P It's not really that different, you just have to drink about 25% less to get to the same level of drunk. Also, it tends to sneak up on you a little more. :-) >> You use vodka in your bong? I thought we were the only ones that did >> that (way back when). > >Vodka is for lightweights, we used Jack Daniels or Cuervo. hey, you lose the hit then, the THC dissolves in alcohol and becomes a solution. use water, or drink the booze afterwards :D > Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full fill, > removal & replacement. Maybe I have a phobia, but everytime that water hits > my nose I breath in water. Help!! Any ideas? Quit breathing through your nose... Exhale through your nose and you won't breathe in water... >>Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full fill, >>removal & replacement. Maybe I have a phobia, but everytime that water hits >>my nose I breath in water. Help!! Any ideas? > > Quit breathing through your nose... Exhale through your nose and you > won't breathe in water... that is what you are suppose to be doing - breathe out thru your nose I saw some of the other suggestions, mostly good. Here's one I've not seen yet. Part of your problem seems to be reaction to the water entering the mask. Start by breathing underwater without your mask. It may take a few tries, but eventually, you'll learn to breathe only through your mouth. It's not easy for everyone, but it's possible. Once you get used to that, try putting your mask on and clearing it. When you've mastered that, try taking your mask completely off under the water and putting it back on. When everything else is working, partially flooding your mask and clearing it should be a piece of cake. Lee > Part of your problem seems to be reaction to the water entering the mask. > Start by breathing underwater without your mask. It may take a few tries, > but eventually, you'll learn to breathe only through your mouth. It's not > easy for everyone, but it's possible. Grace had a problem with mask clearing initially... She got nervous when the mask was flooded... I solved this by requiring her to swim around our pool for a fairly long time one weekend without her mask on and just breathing through her regulator... Once she got used to this, putting on a flooded mask was no big deal... Seems that some people are primarily nose breathers and as such they have to work a bit more to get used to breathing through a regulator... >> Part of your problem seems to be reaction to the water entering the mask. >> Start by breathing underwater without your mask. It may take a few tries, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >are primarily nose breathers and as such they have to work a bit more >to get used to breathing through a regulator... When I was teaching open water regularly (I now teach mostly AOW and Rescue since I can get by without a pool) one of the skills was the maskless swim. I or a DM would take the student by the straps and they'd do a lap or two underwater without a mask. Open eyes was optional. At the end they'd do a replace&clear exercise. A skill drill that actually made sense from PADI. I'll have to look at the manual to see if it's still in there. Signaturedillon JAFO > When I was teaching open water regularly (I now teach mostly AOW and > Rescue since I can get by without a pool) one of the skills was the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > drill that actually made sense from PADI. I'll have to look at the > manual to see if it's still in there. Nope. Partially flood and clear. >> When I was teaching open water regularly (I now teach mostly AOW and >> Rescue since I can get by without a pool) one of the skills was the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Nope. > Partially flood and clear. So much for an upgrade of my opinion of them. Lee > When I was teaching open water regularly (I now teach mostly AOW and > Rescue since I can get by without a pool) one of the skills was the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > drill that actually made sense from PADI. I'll have to look at the > manual to see if it's still in there. My philosophy is that losing your mask should be an inconvenience but not an emergency... It might make you call the dive since when everything looks blury, there's not as much to see, but it shouldn't prevent you from missing your deco stops and such... If you can feel comfortable enough to continue diving without a mask, the clearing of a flooded mask should be pretty damn close to a non-event... The agencies might not require this level of comfort, but I required it of Grace and Kaitlyn when I was teaching them how to dive... >> When I was teaching open water regularly (I now teach mostly AOW and >> Rescue since I can get by without a pool) one of the skills was the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >agencies might not require this level of comfort, but I required it of >Grace and Kaitlyn when I was teaching them how to dive... Without the word philosophy, those are the exact words I use in my pool presentation, objective and student feedback. "Losing you mask is an inconvenience not an emergency". This is followed by: "You don't need a mask to dive. You need a mask to see". "Your mask covers your nose for equalization purposes....." Kind of all falls into perspective. > When I was teaching open water regularly (I now teach mostly AOW and > Rescue since I can get by without a pool) one of the skills was the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > drill that actually made sense from PADI. I'll have to look at the > manual to see if it's still in there. If it is, I'll revise my opinion of PADI upward. It won't be by much, but it will be up from where it is now. Lee >> When I was teaching open water regularly (I now teach mostly AOW and >> Rescue since I can get by without a pool) one of the skills was the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Lee He'correct Lee. "The no mask swim". > I saw some of the other suggestions, mostly good. Here's one I've not seen > yet. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > When everything else is working, partially flooding your mask and clearing > it should be a piece of cake. Excellent advice and you beat me to the punch. > Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full fill, > removal & replacement. Maybe I have a phobia, but everytime that water hits > my nose I breath in water. Help!! Any ideas? Make sure that when you flood your mask you are breaking the seal at the top, not the bottom. John >> Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full >> fill, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Make sure that when you flood your mask you are breaking the seal at the > top, not the bottom. Is that the way everyone is taught? I wasn't - what's the difference? > Is that the way everyone is taught? No. In the "old days" we were taught to remove and replace the mask, and for some certs, swim 15 minutes with your buddy, sharing air, and with no mask. > I wasn't - what's the difference? Think about it. >> Is that the way everyone is taught? > > No. In the "old days" we were taught to remove and replace the mask, and for > some certs, swim 15 minutes with your buddy, sharing air, and with no mask. Must not have been that old, because I was taught to remove and replace. Not that I ever did that in practice. Cracking the seal was enough risk to the contacts. >> I wasn't - what's the difference? > > Think about it. I understand the water flowing up into your nose instead of down over, but if you clear your mask with the nose, I don't see how it matters. > I understand the water flowing up into your nose instead of down over, > but if you clear your mask with the nose, I don't see how it matters. One of the things that kick a lot of divers a.ses, is the bubbles from the exhaust on their regulator packing water into the nostrils as they ascend. Tilt your face just a little, and the issue goes away. It matters because if you dive for very long, sooner or later, another diver is going to fin your face, and scrub everything off/out of it. Not a "leak", a loss. In one kick cycle, everything that wasnt attached to your face by God is gone. You need to be able to recover your reg (or at least get the secondary in until you recover the primary), and recover your mask, or get your spare out of your thigh pocket. "In the unlikely event..." >> I understand the water flowing up into your nose instead of down over, >> but if you clear your mask with the nose, I don't see how it matters. > > One of the things that kick a lot of divers a.ses, is the bubbles from the > exhaust on their regulator packing water into the nostrils as they ascend. > Tilt your face just a little, and the issue goes away. Why not just hold your breath when you fill your mask? > You need to be able to recover your reg (or at least get the secondary in > until you recover the primary), and recover your mask, or get your spare out > of your thigh pocket. Eh, I can recover a reg. I could probably recover a mask, too, but my contacts would be gone, leaving me just as blind. Speaking of that.... > >> I understand the water flowing up into your nose instead of down over, > >> but if you clear your mask with the nose, I don't see how it matters. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Why not just hold your breath when you fill your mask? You gonna hold your breath for 15 minutes? Rule 1 in SCUBA is never hold your breath. > > You need to be able to recover your reg (or at least get the > secondary in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Eh, I can recover a reg. I could probably recover a mask, too, but my > contacts would be gone, leaving me just as blind. Speaking of that.... Why would your contacts be gone? I dive both ways, and while I prefer the mask with prescription lenses, the contacts allow me to use whatever I can get my hands on. I have had my mask kicked off, and my reg stripped. Neither incident *has* to be a thumb to the dive, but certainly can be. >>>> I understand the water flowing up into your nose instead of down over, >>>> but if you clear your mask with the nose, I don't see how it matters. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Rule 1 in SCUBA is never hold your breath. Well, duh. Granted, I haven't been diving in a while, but I don't recall it taking long to clear a mask. If you breath slow, you're not really holding your breath...you're just not exhaling when you clear. > Well, duh. Sorry, gave you the benefit of a doubt. > Granted, I haven't been diving in a while, Is that why you are pissy and combative? > but I don't recall it taking long to clear a mask. Less than a second, unless you are freaking. < If you breath slow, you're not > really holding your breath...you're just not exhaling when you clear. I'll let you go back over that one. rec.scuba's resident pussy "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com>, whined: > Is that why you are pissy and combative? She's talking to you, that's the only way to deal with a pussy like you. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Well, duh. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Is that why you are pissy and combative? I wasn't aware that I am pissy and combative. Well, ok, today maybe. You would be too if your $#@! student canceled on you and now you have to fly all weekend with his slacker a.s instead of doing other stuff. >> but I don't recall it taking long to clear a mask. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'll let you go back over that one. If you clear your mask with your nose, you're exhaling through your nose and not your mouth, yes? So why would your reg be producing any bubbles? Am I missing something? > >> Well, duh. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You would be too if your $#@! student canceled on you and now you have > to fly all weekend with his slacker a.s instead of doing other stuff. Ah. > > I'll let you go back over that one. > > If you clear your mask with your nose, you're exhaling through your nose > and not your mouth, yes? So why would your reg be producing any > bubbles? Am I missing something? There is almost no resistance to the exhaust valves on your reg vs the resistance of holding your mask to your forehead, blowing the skirt loose by exhaling through your nose in order to clear water. >>> Well, duh. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >You would be too if your $#@! student canceled on you and now you have >to fly all weekend with his slacker a.s instead of doing other stuff. I hope you're charging him OTB rates. >>> but I don't recall it taking long to clear a mask. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >and not your mouth, yes? So why would your reg be producing any >bubbles? Am I missing something? If you lose your mask, you typically don't have the leisure of choosing when to breath. And if you're lucky enough to be on the bottom when you lose it, it's still going to be more than a few seconds before you have it on and cleared. Just getting a mask kicked off the first time can be a traumatic experience. All this time you're breathing. Quite possibly heavily in fear/rage. Signaturedillon JAFO > Well, duh. Granted, I haven't been diving in a while, but I don't recall > it taking long to clear a mask. If you breath slow, you're not really > holding your breath...you're just not exhaling when you clear. Ummm, not intending to be a nit picker, but the last phrase in this is a bit amusing. Exhaling is kind of an essential element of clearing. >> Why not just hold your breath when you fill your mask? > You gonna hold your breath for 15 minutes? For those that have a problem getting water up their noses, holding one's breath is not a sufficient answer. There tends to be more to the problem than that. I don't, however, understand how holding your breath while the mask fills relates to 15 minutes. > Rule 1 in SCUBA is never hold your breath. Rule 1 is Never Dive With Strokes, remember? Resisting the temptation to hold your breath is a good way for a newer diver to stay out of trouble, but its not quite the issue it's made out to be. As Scott well knows, you can hold your breath during a descent as much as you like. If you do, you can even safely return to the original depth as long as you don't take a breath of compressed gas in the interim. What you can't do without very high risk, is hold your breath during an ascent and, even then, the level of risk depends on how much gas is in your lungs when you start the ascent. > I have had my mask kicked off, and my reg stripped. I don't think I've ever had my regulator stripped from my mouth, but, like everybody dove with others much, I've had my mask kicked off. I am farsighted and getting more so. So far, I do not need corrective lenses to see my gauges. if my mask gets knocked off, I simply catch it, with my eyes wide open. I don't know why, when on the surface, a little salt water stings the eyes, but when under the water, a lot of it doesn't, but that's how it's always worked for me. I've never worn contacts and probably never will. I don't understand the problems with them or why everyone seems so concerned with them washing out. I accept what others say about the risks. I thought I had heard, however, that soft contact lenses are larger and pose less of a washout risk. It's just a thought. If there's no way to ensure a diver can see well enough to ascend safely, with or without glasses, maybe that's a contraindication for solo and, perhaps even decompression diving. At the very least, I think it's a good reason to carry a backup prescription mask. Lee >> >> I understand the water flowing up into your nose instead of down over, >> >> but if you clear your mask with the nose, I don't see how it matters. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >Neither incident *has* to be a thumb to the dive, but certainly can be. Watched a guy get his mask kicked off at Santa Rosa last summer. Down, down, down. In an unreal bit of planning, the guy had a backup of everything except his BC. So that dive was kind of hosed, but he got the second dive in. I helped the DM in translating the reaming out the klutz got, since this wasn't the only episode of stupidity he exhibited in one dive. I think everybody here with more than a hundred dives has had a mask kicked off or a regulator kicked out. Getting a foot in the face tends to piss me off. And very little pisses me off enough to cuss at somebody in public. Signaturedillon JAFO <el snippo> > I think everybody here with more than a hundred dives has had a mask > kicked off or a regulator kicked out. Getting a foot in the face > tends to piss me off. And very little pisses me off enough to cuss at > somebody in public. f.ck 'em. Learn to be aware of, and in control of, your body, feet and fins so as to not endanger another diver, or take your a.s chewing standing up. It goes straight downhill from there, with no brakes. > Learn to be aware of, and in control of, your body, feet and fins so as to > not endanger another diver, or take your a.s chewing standing up. Mmmmm... hard to disagree with the principle there, jefe, but I generally tend to give beginners a little more slack there. Compost happens, and not everyone is an expert diver. Mostly, if I am diving, you have to work REALLY hard to annoy me (hey... I'm outdoors, in the sea, diving... 'nuff saif), but the ONE thing that really grates on me is a buddy or student who swims too close. I do the frog kick and invariably there is one person who is glued in next to me, so that every time I kick, I either smack them... or I have to do a really small kick (more like stretching my ankles). V. > > Learn to be aware of, and in control of, your body, feet and fins so as to > > not endanger another diver, or take your a.s chewing standing up. > > Mmmmm... hard to disagree with the principle there, jefe, but I > generally tend to give beginners a little more slack there. Compost > happens, and not everyone is an expert diver. Understood, which is why one employs different levels of a.s chewing. > Understood, which is why one employs different levels of a.s chewing. Heh, there is a joke in there somewhere, but I'm behaving myself. Vandit > > Understood, which is why one employs different levels of a.s chewing. > Heh, there is a joke in there somewhere, but I'm behaving myself. No, no, no. That wont do. Let it fly. There are, for instance, polar opposite a.s chewing's like John Lindt would give his son the traitor, as compared to those where the last one off the bus gets his a.s kicked. > > > Understood, which is why one employs different levels of a.s chewing. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > give his son the traitor, as compared to those where the last one off the > bus gets his a.s kicked. This is where I prove myself to be a perverted islander... I was thinking more alone the lines of prison love.... there is an old Chris Rock standup routine on this, dunno if anyone has seen it. 2 days and off to the Tibetan Himalayas I go... wheeeeeee. Vandit > This is where I prove myself to be a perverted islander... I was > thinking more alone the lines of prison love.... there is an old Chris > Rock standup routine on this, dunno if anyone has seen it. Tossed Salad? > 2 days and off to the Tibetan Himalayas I go... wheeeeeee. What on earth <pun intended> for? > Tossed Salad? That's the one... a modern-day enrichment of the English vocabulary. > What on earth <pun intended> for? Hiking & photography in one of the most remote and most beautiful places on the planet.... http://www.photosafariindia.com/galleries/ladakh/ladakh.html V. >> This is where I prove myself to be a perverted islander... I was >> thinking more alone the lines of prison love.... there is an old Chris >> Rock standup routine on this, dunno if anyone has seen it. > >Tossed Salad? Someone in another NG said "I'd eat her like tossed salad". I choose to not reply, being a civil mouthed motherf..ker. >> 2 days and off to the Tibetan Himalayas I go... wheeeeeee. > >What on earth <pun intended> for? Really. It's monsoon season in the Himalaya. Signaturedillon JAFO > I think everybody here with more than a hundred dives has had a mask > kicked off or a regulator kicked out. Getting a foot in the face > tends to piss me off. And very little pisses me off enough to cuss at > somebody in public. Happened to me on dive 20 or so, in Coz. at about 60 feet or so just as I was slowing my descent near the bottom. Wiped out both the mask AND the reg. I couldn't find my primary, so I used my octo then put my mask back on, then found my primary. It was....interesting for a while. My heart and breathing rate did go up a bit. And I NEVER touched the reef. Some chick with pink fins. She likely never even knew it had happened. Signature“TANSTAAFL” ”it’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees” ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 > Some chick with pink fins. She likely never even knew it had happened. Our favorite statistician kicked Jayna's mask off in Coz. I don't think he knew either. Lee > Some chick with pink fins. She likely never even knew it had happened. In other words, she was cute and you were looking at her a.s and found out the consequences of tailgating... She knew you were there, she kicked you in the face because you kept trying to sniff her butt... <dirty-old-man-grin> > > I think everybody here with more than a hundred dives has had a mask > > kicked off or a regulator kicked out. Getting a foot in the face [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Some chick with pink fins. She likely never even knew it had happened. Hmm. . pink fins in Coz. How long ago was that? Hurricane Mitch? > I think everybody here with more than a hundred dives has had a mask > kicked off or a regulator kicked out. Getting a foot in the face > tends to piss me off. And very little pisses me off enough to cuss at > somebody in public. Lesson to be learned, one that I don't think I've seen anywhere official. When you feel one of your fins touch something, stop kicking immediately and until you figure out what it was that you kicked. Lee > >> >> I understand the water flowing up into your nose instead of down over, > >> >> but if you clear your mask with the nose, I don't see how it matters. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > tends to piss me off. And very little pisses me off enough to cuss at > somebody in public. I gather I've been extremely fortunate. I've never had my mask kicked off or even knocked about a bit. Mayhap that's because I'm not much of a buddy diver. Other than my best travel pal, I rarely buddy with anyone and I dive back of the pack . .. way back. Someday that choice may bite me in the a.s, but I'll have my mask on in the end. >> Make sure that when you flood your mask you are breaking the seal at the >> top, not the bottom. > Is that the way everyone is taught? I wasn't - what's the difference? No, but not everyone has a problem breathing water. The difference is that breaking the seal at the bottom brings water in under the nose where it's more likely to get into it. Doing it from the top submerges the nose, but the flow is from the top down. Except for people who have trouble breaking the habit of breathing through their mouth only, it makes no difference. Lee >>> Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full >>> fill, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Is that the way everyone is taught? I wasn't - what's the difference? I was going to ask the same thing - but thought I was missing something > Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full fill, > removal & replacement. Maybe I have a phobia, but everytime that water hits > my nose I breath in water. Help!! Any ideas? I thought I sent this last night - Breathe IN through your mouth and OUT through your nose. Practice all day while walking around. Hop in pool, shallow end, with gear, and practice above water til you get the hang of it - IN through mouth, OUT through nose. Get used to the feeling of the mask releasing air as you exhale. Place the heel of your hand against the top of your mask, tip your head back while doing this (if you don't have a purge mask - tip slightly forward if you have a purge mask) and get used to the feel of air leaving the mask while you exhale. Gradually put your face in the water and try. Then add a tiny bit of water to the mask and get used to that feeling. You might want to wear the mask around the house with a little water in it, even. Mess with water in the mask and the position and IN-THROUGH-MOUTH, OUT-THROUGH-NOSE until you get that coordination pattern down. Gradually move UW and keep working. A patient in-water coach is a good thing, too. It's just a matter of coordinating that pattern, and it comes more quickly to some. Practice, you'll get it. Let us know. * >>Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full fill, >>removal & replacement. Maybe I have a phobia, but everytime that water hits [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > * Some of us have to seal at the temples as well as the top of the mask. Otherwise the air leaks at the temples, and it can be hard to completely clear the mask. But I don't think that he got that far..... Signature“TANSTAAFL” ”it’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees” ____________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 Dear new to scuba, Thoughtful, kind advice from the compassionate crew here at rec.scuba... However... Not snorking water through your nose is a basic skill that comes naturally to folks who are comfortable in the water (we've all done it, BTW). Maybe you can work at it and get it figured out. If not, then SCUBA may not be your cup of tea. There's lots of other skills you have to learn also, most under water. The first thing I ask folks who want to learn how to dive, is "are you comfortable in the water?" Good luck. SignatureRapid Rick "Just Dive, Baby" snip > Breathe IN through your mouth and OUT through your nose. snip > Dear new to scuba, > Thoughtful, kind advice from the compassionate crew here at rec.scuba... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> Breathe IN through your mouth and OUT through your nose. > snip You can blow up a balloon, right? Then everything works fine. Now make it work backwards. SignaturePopeye "Best thing for him, really, his therapy was going nowhere." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com For Popeye: Damn, I wish you'd answer either your e-mail or your phone !!! Damn, you're hard to get ahold of. 8^) Rick and I are driving to Key West at the end of next week to let our respective spouses spend some money while we do a dive with Rachel. I've not contacted Rachel yet, but the plan is to dive something, somewhere, either in the afternoon of Friday of next week or in the morning of the next day, depending on Rachel's schedule. Friday afternoon is our preference. We plan on being a bit hung over Saturday AM. We don't really care what the dive site is. The point is to see Rachel and to give her business some of our allocated dive budget. Any chance you can make it? If so, be sure to let me know so that I can bring the masks we talked about unless your expressed interest was more joke than serious. I was not kidding when I said that if you like either one of them, it's yours. Lee I just e-mailed Rick back. I dunno, which is why I don't answer.... I'll try. I'm hot for the masks. I'm just off 5 days home time, and recovering from The Cinammon Girls. :-) SignaturePopeye "Best thing for him, really, his therapy was going nowhere." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com > For Popeye: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Lee > I dunno, which is why I don't answer.... > I'll try. > I'm hot for the masks. Do what you can, let us know what you know when you know. I'll try to get Rachel to save you a spot on the boat. For us, I think she will. I have to call Curtis to see if he'll be able to make it. Three of us may work for her. Four probably will. I'll try to get in touch with her in a few minutes. The masks are yours to try. You like them, you own them. Maybe I'll throw them in the car just in case. If not, well, now that I know where they are, you can pick them up any time that works for you. > I'm just off 5 days home time, and recovering from The > Cinammon Girls. :-) f.ck the masks . . . no, wait, I've got the wrong. Nevermind. Lee > Do what you can, let us know what you know when you know. I'll try to get > Rachel to save you a spot on the boat. For us, I think she will. I have > to call Curtis to see if he'll be able to make it. Three of us may work > for her. Four probably will. I'll try to get in touch with her in a few > minutes. Unfortunately, I'm out for a weekday. Next time, maybe a quarry for late summer? My days off are gonna get used for our first cruise, we leave on my birthday, come back on my wife's birthday, and will celebrate out Silver Anniversary on foreign soil. :-D May not be up to Dingy's standards, but you can bet I'll not be wasting our time at the internet cafe'. Curtis > Unfortunately, I'm out for a weekday. Next time, maybe a quarry for late > summer? You'll be missed, but we'll get over it. > My days off are gonna get used for our first cruise, we leave on my > birthday, come back on my wife's birthday, and will celebrate out Silver > Anniversary on foreign soil. :-D May not be up to Dingy's standards, but > you can bet I'll not be wasting our time at the internet cafe'. Have a wonderful time and give your wife an extra kiss from me. That's the only way she'll ever get one from me. 8^) Lee "Magilla" wrote: >>Do what you can, let us know what you know when you know. I'll try to get >>Rachel to save you a spot on the boat. For us, I think she will. I have [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Curtis Happy BDay - enjoy! >> Do what you can, let us know what you know when you know. I'll try to get >> Rachel to save you a spot on the boat. For us, I think she will. I have [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Curtis Have a great time and we'll see if we can hook up sometime late August, early September. Rick Simms > Have a great time and we'll see if we can hook up sometime late > August, early September. Plant bug in ear, night dive, Ft Pierce, mid week. Curtis >> Have a great time and we'll see if we can hook up sometime late >> August, early September. > > Plant bug in ear, night dive, Ft Pierce, mid week. > > Curtis Looks like I'm headed west today, too. I'll keep September in mind. SignaturePopeye "Best thing for him, really, his therapy was going nowhere." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com > >> Have a great time and we'll see if we can hook up sometime late > >> August, early September. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'll keep September in mind. How far west? >>>>Have a great time and we'll see if we can hook up sometime late >>>>August, early September. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > How far west? if you are heading west thru St Louis - avoid at all costs - the main bridge is jammed up for construction and you can not get to 44 west or 55 south. The other bridge is closed for the weekend for a bridge party. One last thing the Cardinals are in town - you can either go south on 255 or north 270 >> >> Have a great time and we'll see if we can hook up sometime late >> >> August, early September. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > How far west? Only Nawlins to Memphis so far, but I just read out the Director of Operations (my boss's boss's boss) in front of the -entire- staff (elegantly and extensively) for being, among other things, a "witless, apoplectic dullard", so I expect to be sent to the gulag shortly. :-) The epitome of irony was, that I publicly decimated him on an issue with information provided me by, you guessed it, a fellow Rec.scuban. There wasn't -jack- -sh.t- the D.O. could do about it. I -fuckin- LOVE this place. > Only Nawlins to Memphis so far, but I just read out the Director of > Operations (my boss's boss's boss) in front of the -entire- staff (elegantly [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I -fuckin- LOVE this place. If you need a good employment lawyer let me know. >> Only Nawlins to Memphis so far, but I just read out the Director of >> Operations (my boss's boss's boss) in front of the -entire- staff [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > If you need a good employment lawyer let me know. Thanks, but I'm the master of all that I behold. :-) > I just e-mailed Rick back. Got it. > I dunno, which is why I don't answer.... Good answer. > I'll try. Better answer > I'm hot for the masks. I never cease to be amazed. > I'm just off 5 days home time, and recovering from The Cinammon Girls. :-) ROTFLMAO! Rick Simms Warning: I will no longer be responsible for anything left in my memory longer than 20 minutes! >> I just e-mailed Rick back. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > ROTFLMAO! I took 'em to Hooter's for Crab Legs. Talk about True Adventure... > Rick Simms > > Warning: I will no longer be responsible > for anything left in my memory longer than 20 minutes! >>> I'm just off 5 days home time, and recovering from The Cinammon Girls. >>> :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Talk about True Adventure... Priceless! Rick Simms *********************************** "Instead of loving your enemies, treat your friends a little better." Edgar Howe > > I'm just off 5 days home time, and recovering from The Cinammon Girls. :-) Why am I thinking this is wayyyy TMI?????? ;-) * > You can blow up a balloon, right? > > Then everything works fine. > > Now make it work backwards. Excellent. Matthias Thanks to all of you for your mask clearing suggestions. Actually achieved OW certification this weekend using this technique (which you pros will laugh at - but it worked!) Held my nose with mask on took off mask holding the nose part of the mask didn't breathe through my nose quickly put mask back on held nose while I breathed through the regulator released nose and blew out air continued the same process until the water was all gone Sounds stupid - but it worked well enough for certification purpose. That technique takes some forethought, so sounds like there could still be a problem if some goof kicks off my mask. Guess confidence develops the more you dive. Thanks again >> Having problems learning how to purge my mask - half mask fill, full fill, >> removal & replacement. Maybe I have a phobia, but everytime that water hits [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >* > Thanks to all of you for your mask clearing suggestions. Actually achieved OW > certification [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sounds stupid - And a bit impractical to do if you really needed to get your mask back on and clear it. Doubtful that you will have the opportunity to get hold of your nose before some moron kicks off your mask. What do you plan to do then? I can see this as being an acceptable step towards actually learning to correctly and effectively clear your mask - but not as a means to passing the skill. > but it worked well enough for certification purpose. Pardon me for being a bit appalled here - but to clarify, you are saying that an instructor actually gave you a card for being unable to do a skill?? > That technique takes some forethought, so sounds like there could still be a > problem if some goof kicks off my mask. Well, DUH. > Guess confidence develops the more > you dive. Get thyself back into the pool ASAP and get this worked out. Your instructor ought to be delighted to give you more pool time during another class to work on this. Print some of the suggestions offered here, and go to work. I'd love to know who this instructor is; if he/she is affiliated with any of the agencies that I am, I will nail his/her a.s for standards violation. Please work this out before you go off on a trip, or something. * > Thanks again > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > >* New to Scuba wrote: >> Thanks to all of you for your mask clearing suggestions. Actually >> achieved OW certification this weekend using this technique >> (which you pros will laugh at - but it worked!) >> Held my nose with mask on took off mask holding the nose part of the mask >> didn't breathe through my nose quickly put mask >> back on held nose while I breathed through the regulator released nose >> and blew out air continued the same process until the >> water was all gone. Popeye. You wanted an example of someone certified as a competent diver who isn't. How's this for an example. > Sounds stupid - And a bit impractical to do if you really needed to get > your mask back on and clear it. Doubtful that you will [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and effectively clear your mask - but not as a means to > passing the skill. Nevertheless, >> but it worked well enough for certification purpose. > Pardon me for being a bit appalled here - but to clarify, you are saying > that an instructor actually gave you a card for being unable > to do a skill?? Pardon me for not being surprised. Mask clearing is not only one of the most fundamental elements of scuba training, it's one that deals with a problem that virtually every experienced diver eventually experiences. Whether it's because someone knocked the mask off, or the diver bumped something, or a surprising current broke the seal, most divers, sooner or later, have a mask knocked off or flooded. If it happens to this newly certified diver, she's likely to become a statistic, all because some instructor failed to require she actually be able to perform the skill before giving her a certification card. Where was the quality control inspector when she needed him? > I'd love to know who this instructor is; if he/she is affiliated with any > of the agencies that I am, I will nail his/her a.s for standards > violation. I can hear the whining in my mind, "Well, gosh, how was I supposed to know she didn't do it right?" > Please work this out before you go off on a trip, or something. Please work this out before you go into water that you can't stand up in. Lee > New to Scuba wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Popeye. You wanted an example of someone certified as a competent diver > who isn't. How's this for an example. I wanted an example of a -trend-. This ain't it. This is a -guy-. Furthermore, this is no indication of an agency fault, but a piss poor instructor. > "Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > Popeye. You wanted an example of someone certified as a competent diver > > who isn't. How's this for an example. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Furthermore, this is no indication of an agency fault, but a piss poor > instructor. NAUI requires 5 pool sessions, not recommending that more than one be done per day. YMCA requires 7 pool sessions. I do 7 anyway when I teach NAUI. Time in the pool for skill issues like this makes all the difference. Time in the pool makes all the difference in buoyancy skills. No one ever saw my students dredging the bottom of the quarry. How many pool sessions does PADI require? Instructors will slack to the lower limits of the standards imposed by their agencies. Or below. There are WAY too many $99 weekend courses offered out here, I've found...... * >> "Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > * I agree with you compleeeeeeetly. My point still stands. >> "Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >How many pool sessions does PADI require? Four, although most of the competent instructors I know in the air do two tanks on the third one because this is where most of the life saving skills are located. So call it 5. >Instructors will slack to the lower limits of the standards imposed by >their agencies. Or below. There are WAY too many $99 weekend courses >offered out here, I've found...... I used to teach the $99 course for a shop. Of course, they then nickel & dimed the student with equipment rental and books and CDs. I now charge $200 and include everything but the wetsuit. And I still make about $25 per student. That's why I don't teach OW much, anymore. The market around here is still oriented towards the $99 class. >* Signaturedillon JAFO > >> "Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > anymore. The market around here is still oriented towards the $99 > class. I am SO amazed that people think nothing of paying big bucks to a golf or tennis pro, but seem to think my time as a scuba instructor is not worth that..... I have reminded people to think about which activity is more potentially life-threatening if one is not pretty skilled...... Argh. * > I am SO amazed that people think nothing of paying big bucks to a golf > or tennis pro, but seem to think my time as a scuba instructor is not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > * Beats me, honey. Same reason they brag about the price of a suit of clothes, and bitch about the price of a front brake repair, like the suit will save their lives every day. I been putting up with it for a quarter century. |
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