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John Hanson - 12 Jul 2006 01:23 GMT
Well, I did my five dives Friday, at Perch Lake, and Saturday at Lake
Wazee.  Friday night I did my underwater navigation, search and
recovery and underwater naturalist.

I found counting kicks to be far more like working out.  I think I set
a speed record on my first couple of navigation skills.  I had a hard
time not trying to kick as hard as I possibly could and I also would
exhale hard at the top of every kick, like I was doing reps in the
squat.  I have the whole explosive lifting thing so ingrained in me
that counting kicks was equal to counting reps in the gym and I wanted
to do them all that way.  But, I did the skills rather well for the
most part.  And, I mellowed out at the end.  Plus I learned that it is
better to just glance at the compass every now and again instead of
looking at it constantly.  The compass is also good for turns and it's
best to rely mostly on natural navigation.  I might also try to come
up with a way of calculating distance without counting kicks.

Search and recovery was interesting.  Again, I swam patterns and I got
to use a lift bag.  My instructor explained how to use it properly and
the things that one must look out for.  He had me get the bag buoyant
(we had about 30 pounds of weight on a weight belt as the recovery
object) and then had me release some of the air through the vent to
demonstrate just how quickly it would drop back to the bottom as it
descended.  I then lifted it and guided it up slowly to the surface
and then swam it into shore.

Then, we did the underwater naturalist.  I can see that my instructor
is really into that sort of thing.  Probably because he does that sort
of thing for a living, at least for part of his living.  I felt like I
was in a high school biology class.  He was very knowledgeable about
lake biology and especially the plant life and how exotic species
affect a lake's ecosystem.  I thought it would be kind of boring but
it was extremely informative.

So then I head down to Black River Falls to Lake Wazee for my deep
dive and the most fun dive yet, the DPV dive (give me a hell yeah!).
We went down to just below 60 feet to make it an official deep dive.
Hell, I wanted to go way deeper but I think my instructor didn't like
the 42 degree water.  I did a math problem on a slate and then we
started back up the wall.  We did our safety stop in about 15 feet of
water where a bunch of fish cribs are conveniently located.  How cool.
We seen some monster small mouth and some decent size sunnies.  We
actually did more like a 5-10 minute safety stop because the scenery
was so neat and the water was so warm at that depth.

Last but not least was the diver propulsion vehicles.  My instructor
has a pair of scuba pro DPVs that aren't sold any more due to their
price ($2000 a piece).  We whipped all over that flooded mine, zipping
through trees and along the walls.  I've got to get me one!  We did
that, put the machines up on shore and continued the dive, checking
out all the fish.  

http://www.co.jackson.wi.us/html/forestry/scuba.htm
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=lake+wazee+lake
Dennis (Icarus) - 12 Jul 2006 04:44 GMT
<snip>

> Last but not least was the diver propulsion vehicles.  My instructor
> has a pair of scuba pro DPVs that aren't sold any more due to their
> price ($2000 a piece).  We whipped all over that flooded mine, zipping

Gavin scooters are still being sold (at least as far as I can tell) and
they're $3400.00 and up.
http://www.gavinscooters.com/pricing.htm
Dont know how much market share they have though, and the economics of a
one-person op (which is what Gavin Scooters appears to be) can be different
from those of a company such as scuba pro.

> through trees and along the walls.  I've got to get me one!  We did
> that, put the machines up on shore and continued the dive, checking
> out all the fish.
>
> http://www.co.jackson.wi.us/html/forestry/scuba.htm
> http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=lake+wazee+lake

Sounds like you had a good time - very cool, (esp with 34 degrees after the
second thermocline....)

Dennis
Al Wells - 12 Jul 2006 13:17 GMT
> Gavin scooters are still being sold (at least as far as I can tell) and
> they're $3400.00 and up.
> http://www.gavinscooters.com/pricing.htm
> Dont know how much market share they have though, and the economics of a
> one-person op (which is what Gavin Scooters appears to be) can be different
> from those of a company such as scuba pro.

The Gavin is a completely different animal - it is specifically for
deep diving, or with the long body, long cave penetrations. The
Submerge is a similar scooter with a similar price, and has become very
popular with cave divers. Both are based on the Mako, which retails for
$2500 but is discounted to around $2000. The Mako is fine unless you
need deeper than 160' or longer burn time than about an hour.

There's another Mako based deep scooter called the "X", or something
like that. I think it is also over $3000.
John Hanson - 12 Jul 2006 15:05 GMT
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:45:38 -0500, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
<nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in rec.scuba:

><snip>
>>
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>one-person op (which is what Gavin Scooters appears to be) can be different
>from those of a company such as scuba pro.

Oow, spendy.

>> through trees and along the walls.  I've got to get me one!  We did
>> that, put the machines up on shore and continued the dive, checking
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Sounds like you had a good time - very cool, (esp with 34 degrees after the
>second thermocline....)

Yes, I did.  But, I never hit the second thermocline.  The one I did
hit was between 25 and 30 feet depending on how deep the lake was.  I
noticed this on the DPV.  We were mostly cruising in 20-30 feet of
water and I would go in and out of the thermocline between shallower
and deeper water while riding the DPVs.  On the deep dive, the water
was 42 degrees and I didn't notice any difference between that and
about 45 feet (when I checked my depth) on our descent during the dive
nor on our ascent.
ben bradlee - 12 Jul 2006 16:31 GMT
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:45:38 -0500, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in rec.scuba:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Yes, I did.  But, I never hit the second thermocline.  The one I did
> hit was between 25 and 30 feet depending on how deep the lake was.

I don't know that a second thermocline exists.  Water temperature at
approximately 60 feet was 41 degrees while at 140 it was 37 degrees.  It's
hard to imagine a thermocline with 5 degrees temperature difference.
Coincidentally, Perch Lake water temperature minimum was 41 degrees in the
same time frame.
Dennis (Icarus) - 12 Jul 2006 18:42 GMT
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:45:38 -0500, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in rec.scuba:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Oow, spendy.

Well, As Al pointed out, these evidently are a completely different beast
(I didn't realize this, else I'dve not brought it up).

> >> through trees and along the walls.  I've got to get me one!  We did
> >> that, put the machines up on shore and continued the dive, checking
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> about 45 feet (when I checked my depth) on our descent during the dive
> nor on our ascent.

Good deal.

Dennis
Star - 12 Jul 2006 10:19 GMT
> Well, I did my five dives Friday, at Perch Lake, and Saturday at Lake
> Wazee.  Friday night I did my underwater navigation, search and
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
> http://www.co.jackson.wi.us/html/forestry/scuba.htm
> http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=lake+wazee+lake

Sounds like you had a great class.

I knew a chiropractor up your way, named Julie.  Have you run into her,
diving, per chance?

*
John Hanson - 12 Jul 2006 14:53 GMT
>> Well, I did my five dives Friday, at Perch Lake, and Saturday at Lake
>> Wazee.  Friday night I did my underwater navigation, search and
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>
>Sounds like you had a great class.

Yes, and I was the only student.  Undivided attention for 5 dives and
only $150.

>I knew a chiropractor up your way, named Julie.  Have you run into her,
>diving, per chance?

No, but I certainly see a chiropractor fairly regularly:-)  You should
give her my email address.  I'd like to get to know as many divers as
I can.
Star - 12 Jul 2006 17:04 GMT
> Yes, and I was the only student.  Undivided attention for 5 dives and
> only $150.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> give her my email address.  I'd like to get to know as many divers as
> I can.

I've lost touch with her, that's why I asked.  She used to dive from
the Len-Der regularly.  Ask around.

*
Al Wells - 12 Jul 2006 22:24 GMT
> The compass is also good for turns and it's
> best to rely mostly on natural navigation.  I might also try to come
> up with a way of calculating distance without counting kicks.

For relatively long distances, swimming time is a pretty good indicator.
You can even judge the effects of current once you've done it a bit.
John Hanson - 13 Jul 2006 13:15 GMT
>> The compass is also good for turns and it's
>> best to rely mostly on natural navigation.  I might also try to come
>> up with a way of calculating distance without counting kicks.
>
>For relatively long distances, swimming time is a pretty good indicator.
>You can even judge the effects of current once you've done it a bit.

Thanks.  I was thinking along those lines.
Dillon Pyron - 14 Jul 2006 00:13 GMT
>Well, I did my five dives Friday, at Perch Lake, and Saturday at Lake
>Wazee.  Friday night I did my underwater navigation, search and
>recovery and underwater naturalist.

Too bad they didn't do night instead DPV.  You'll use that skill a lot
more.

>I found counting kicks to be far more like working out.  I think I set
>a speed record on my first couple of navigation skills.  I had a hard
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>affect a lake's ecosystem.  I thought it would be kind of boring but
>it was extremely informative.

I teach an underwater naturist course.  I have a female friend who
would probably be happy to teach you.  We teach the class at Hippy
Hollow (google it).

>So then I head down to Black River Falls to Lake Wazee for my deep
>dive and the most fun dive yet, the DPV dive (give me a hell yeah!).
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>http://www.co.jackson.wi.us/html/forestry/scuba.htm
>http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=lake+wazee+lake
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Al Wells - 14 Jul 2006 01:02 GMT
> Too bad they didn't do night instead DPV.  You'll use that skill a lot
> more.

I thought night was required for AOW. Is it not?
David In NH - 14 Jul 2006 01:08 GMT
"Al Wells" <al.wells@gmail.com> wrote >
> I thought night was required for AOW. Is it not?

Not necessarily. PADI AOW requires some specialties but night doesn't have
to be one of them.
John Hanson - 14 Jul 2006 02:29 GMT
>"Al Wells" <al.wells@gmail.com> wrote >
>> I thought night was required for AOW. Is it not?
>
>Not necessarily. PADI AOW requires some specialties but night doesn't have
>to be one of them.

Yes, apparently they changed that.  My instructor said that diving
deep in most lakes is like night diving anyway.  He said just what the
reason for the change was but I don't remember what it was.  Too bad,
too because I studied the chapter on night diving.
SpringDiver - 14 Jul 2006 11:09 GMT
>>"Al Wells" <al.wells@gmail.com> wrote >
>>> I thought night was required for AOW. Is it not?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>reason for the change was but I don't remember what it was.  Too bad,
>too because I studied the chapter on night diving.

Correct. Navigation and  deep are the required diving adventures. By
the way, "Adventure" is the key word with PADI AOW.
Scott - 14 Jul 2006 02:23 GMT
> > Too bad they didn't do night instead DPV.  You'll use that skill a lot
> > more.
>
> I thought night was required for AOW. Is it not?

No, it is an elective; you may choose night dive or copper enameling.
Grumman-581 - 14 Jul 2006 04:43 GMT
> I thought night was required for AOW. Is it not?

Nawh, I'm sure you could do it at 120 ft in Lake Travis in daylight...
<grin>
Dillon Pyron - 16 Jul 2006 03:29 GMT
>> I thought night was required for AOW. Is it not?
>
>Nawh, I'm sure you could do it at 120 ft in Lake Travis in daylight...
><grin>

I did 90 feet in Whitney.  Makes Travis look like Coz.
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William Dryden - 16 Jul 2006 06:56 GMT
> > I thought night was required for AOW. Is it not?
>
> Nawh, I'm sure you could do it at 120 ft in Lake Travis in daylight...
> <grin>

It gets pretty dark around 85 ft at Canyon Lake.
Lee Bell - 14 Jul 2006 05:22 GMT
> I thought night was required for AOW. Is it not?

Seems I remember it being made optional quite a few years ago.

Lee
Al Wells - 14 Jul 2006 11:12 GMT
> > I thought night was required for AOW. Is it not?
>
> Seems I remember it being made optional quite a few years ago.

I must have missed that memo. I teach under NASE, so I haven't kept up
with PADI for years.
John Hanson - 14 Jul 2006 02:37 GMT
>>Well, I did my five dives Friday, at Perch Lake, and Saturday at Lake
>>Wazee.  Friday night I did my underwater navigation, search and
>>recovery and underwater naturalist.
>
>Too bad they didn't do night instead DPV.  You'll use that skill a lot
>more.

I did study for it.  Oh, well.

>I teach an underwater naturist course.  I have a female friend who
>would probably be happy to teach you.  We teach the class at Hippy
>Hollow (google it).

As long as she's hot, I'm all for it.
Some Random Dude - 14 Jul 2006 10:23 GMT
>>>Well, I did my five dives Friday, at Perch Lake, and Saturday at Lake
>>>Wazee.  Friday night I did my underwater navigation, search and
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>As long as she's hot, I'm all for it.

you'll find plenty of chests :D, this is what google found:

Hippie Hollow, Texas

A gay nude beach smack in the middle of Bush country you ask? Yes
siree -- Hippie Hollow. This is a legally clothing-optional area just
west of Austin on the rocky slopes of man-made Lake Travis. Memorial
Day and Labor Day Weekends  the madly popular Splash Day with tons of
nude homos on the shores and boats, flashing their goodies.  

Hippie Hollow, is the only legal all-nude sunning area in the state on
Lake Travis, and is a 30-minute drive (FM 2222 to Ranch Road 620) from
Austin. Drive out Comanche Trail to the parking lot, continue all the
way past the paved walkway, over the rocks and around some sturdy
trees (about 1 mile walk). Before setting out, you may wish to go over
the route with a knowledgeable local and a map, if possible.

By Day: Fish, paddle, windsurf, scuba dive.  

After Dark: In the warehouse district you’ll find the popular Oilcan
Harry’s (211 West 4th; 512/320-8823), catering to a professional
crowd. It’s the "A-list, polo-shirt-wearing" bar. On weekends it
doesn’t pick up until 11pm. On Friday and Saturday nights the club
stays open till 4 am.
John Hanson - 14 Jul 2006 14:05 GMT
>>>>Well, I did my five dives Friday, at Perch Lake, and Saturday at Lake
>>>>Wazee.  Friday night I did my underwater navigation, search and
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>you'll find plenty of chests :D, this is what google found:

I only went here:
http://www.hippiehollow.com/
It's not like I found it to be very interesting where I needed to find
out detailed information on it.

>Hippie Hollow, Texas
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>doesn’t pick up until 11pm. On Friday and Saturday nights the club
>stays open till 4 am.

f.cking fags
Grumman-581 - 14 Jul 2006 17:20 GMT
> I only went here:
> http://www.hippiehollow.com/
> It's not like I found it to be very interesting where I needed to find
> out detailed information on it.

There was a party boat (i.e. large house boat type vessel) that tipped
over a couple of years ago around the park... According to the reports
at the time, they were crusing down the area they saw the nude beach
and everyone went to the same side of the boat to take a look -- both
the lower and upper levels... The boat rolled over...

> f.cking fags

Is that supposed to be a pun? <grin>

Here's a good history of the park...
http://www.nobodyswaterproof.com/hippiehollow.html
Grumman-581 - 14 Jul 2006 04:39 GMT
> I teach an underwater naturist course.  I have a female friend who
> would probably be happy to teach you.  We teach the class at Hippy
> Hollow (google it).

Hmmm.... Let's see... No thermal protection whatsoever, Lake Travis,
below thermoclime... Damn, my 'nads shrivel up just thinking about
it...
Lee Bell - 14 Jul 2006 05:26 GMT
> Hmmm.... Let's see... No thermal protection whatsoever, Lake Travis,
> below thermoclime... Damn, my 'nads shrivel up just thinking about
> it...

It's worse than that.  I clicked on one of the images and got this
description:

A gay nude beach smack in the middle of Bush country you ask? Yes siree --  
Hippie Hollow. This is a legally clothing-optional area just west of Austin
on the rocky slopes of man-made Lake Travis. Memorial Day and Labor Day
Weekends  the madly popular Splash Day with tons of nude homos on the shores
and boats, flashing their goodies.
Grumman-581 - 14 Jul 2006 05:34 GMT
> It's worse than that.  I clicked on one of the images and got this
> description:
<snip>

I suspect that you clicked on the wrong link... I have never heard
anyone saying that that particular sexual orientation was
over-represented there... Not that I've ever been there, of course...
Hell, I wear even wear a t-shirt to cut down on the amount of sunburn
that I get... The idea of a getting a sunburn over my top *and* bottom
just doesn't sound fun to me... My philosophy is that there are
certain area that should definitely not be sunburned...
Lee Bell - 14 Jul 2006 09:54 GMT
>> It's worse than that.  I clicked on one of the images and got this
>> description:
> <snip>

> I suspect that you clicked on the wrong link...

Now you hve.  There are three photos at the top of the page.  I clicked on
each of them.  The one that shows the rocky shoreline lead to the site
containing the text I shared.

Lee
Scott - 14 Jul 2006 05:37 GMT
<chop>

Hope you like the feel of handcuffs.
Carl Nisarel - 14 Jul 2006 22:32 GMT
rec.scuba's resident pussy "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com>,
whined:

> Hope you like the feel of handcuffs.

You're fantasizing about sex with Otter, Scotty?

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SpringDiver - 14 Jul 2006 11:12 GMT
>Well, I did my five dives Friday, at Perch Lake, and Saturday at Lake
>Wazee.  Friday night I did my underwater navigation, search and
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
>http://www.co.jackson.wi.us/html/forestry/scuba.htm
>http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=lake+wazee+lake

John. I'm surprised you didn't do "Peak Performance Buoyancy" for one
of your AOW adventures..
Popeye - 14 Jul 2006 11:52 GMT
> John. I'm surprised you didn't do "Peak Performance Buoyancy" for one
> of your AOW adventures..

 Everyone cracks on that, but it was an epiphany to me.

 OTOH, I just watched the video, I didn't take it as a course.
SpringDiver - 14 Jul 2006 15:07 GMT
>> John. I'm surprised you didn't do "Peak Performance Buoyancy" for one
>> of your AOW adventures..
>
>  Everyone cracks on that, but it was an epiphany to me.
>
>  OTOH, I just watched the video, I didn't take it as a course.

Diving is so much easier with neutral buoyancy issues out of way.
Don't ya think? I can remember diving in Truk on the Odyssey. Several
divers suspended themselves in the water column for their safety stops
while I rode the bar. As the boat pivoted on its mooring, they would
come and go. After the dive, I asked one gent how he managed his
buoyancy. He replied, "Practice my friend, practice". I never forgot
that.
Popeye - 14 Jul 2006 18:03 GMT
>>> John. I'm surprised you didn't do "Peak Performance Buoyancy" for one
>>> of your AOW adventures..
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> buoyancy. He replied, "Practice my friend, practice". I never forgot
> that.

 I practice trim and buoyancy on every dive, but I've made 100 dives to
practice nothing but trim and buoyancy for the entire dive.

 Just to be irritating, I can ascend an 100ft anchor line horizontally with
my thumbs in my d-rings, hang like an attack sub for my safety stop for
three, and just keep going up.

 I can stay motionless inverted, and can easily control 10 ft of depth with
breathing.

I didn't learn that from PPB (in fact, I learned it here, and I've taught a
few here), but that's where it started.

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Lee Bell - 14 Jul 2006 18:26 GMT
>  Just to be irritating, I can ascend an 100ft anchor line horizontally
> with my thumbs in my d-rings, hang like an attack sub for my safety stop
> for three, and just keep going up.

>  I can stay motionless inverted, and can easily control 10 ft of depth
> with breathing.

> I didn't learn that from PPB (in fact, I learned it here, and I've taught
> a few here), but that's where it started.

You are ready to face the world, grasshopper.

Lee
Dillon Pyron - 16 Jul 2006 03:34 GMT
>> John. I'm surprised you didn't do "Peak Performance Buoyancy" for one
>> of your AOW adventures..
>
>  Everyone cracks on that, but it was an epiphany to me.
>
>  OTOH, I just watched the video, I didn't take it as a course.

For me, it's either an easy fifty bucks or the most painful two hours
of my life.  Either they get the hang of it in ten minutes or I drill
until they run out of air.
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Popeye - 16 Jul 2006 06:05 GMT
>>  Everyone cracks on that, but it was an epiphany to me.
>
> For me, it's either an easy fifty bucks or the most painful two hours
> of my life.  Either they get the hang of it in ten minutes or I drill
> until they run out of air.

 <choke>
John Hanson - 14 Jul 2006 14:05 GMT
>>Well, I did my five dives Friday, at Perch Lake, and Saturday at Lake
>>Wazee.  Friday night I did my underwater navigation, search and
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>John. I'm surprised you didn't do "Peak Performance Buoyancy" for one
>of your AOW adventures..

I studied that one too.  I didn't ask which ones we were doing ahead
of time but I assumed the "three" mandatory ones, plus the DPV
(everyone at the shop mentioned that one) and then I just studied for
the most likely ones.  I did the naturalist Q&A on Friday night after
I did the dive.  I didn't think I'd be doing that one...nor the
photography, fish identification, ice diver or drysuit (but I did read
the chapter on drysuits).  

I'm doing fairly well with the buoyancy control now anyway, even with
aluminum tanks (steel really is the way to go).  I use 6 pounds more
weight with an aluminum tank but I still get slightly positive towards
the end of the dive.  I just add water to my BC;-)  
SpringDiver - 14 Jul 2006 14:54 GMT
>>>Well, I did my five dives Friday, at Perch Lake, and Saturday at Lake
>>>Wazee.  Friday night I did my underwater navigation, search and
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
>weight with an aluminum tank but I still get slightly positive towards
>the end of the dive.  I just add water to my BC;-)  

When I teach AOW, I usually throw PPV in for free. There's always time
to do something additional on the deep dive and as you've mentioned in
other posts: it's important. As a former cave diver, neutral buoyancy,
trim and finning techniques are crucial to the  success and safety of
each dive.
John Hanson - 14 Jul 2006 15:32 GMT
>>>>Well, I did my five dives Friday, at Perch Lake, and Saturday at Lake
>>>>Wazee.  Friday night I did my underwater navigation, search and
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>trim and finning techniques are crucial to the  success and safety of
>each dive.

I think it's important also.  But, we discussed buoyancy but we
certainly didn't do the peak performance buoyancy course.  I did do a
fun dive about a month ago with a different dive shop (an SSI shop)
and they buddied me up with one of their instructors(?) who basically
did that and Fish ID with me.  It was all informal but we stopped a
couple of times and adjusted our weighting.  I was riding like a
Cadillac on our last dive but I also was using a steel tank which I've
found to be much nicer when it comes to buoyancy control.

Even though I'm on call, I plan on doing a Eurasion Milfoil weed pull
at Perch lake on Sunday (the county won't allow chemical treatment).
I'm going to buy a Sterns 2.5/2.0mm shorty (Fleet Farm for $49) and
get used to the weighting I'll need wearing that.  
Grumman-581 - 14 Jul 2006 16:54 GMT
> I just add water to my BC;-)  

Adding water to your BC does not make you lose any more buoyancy than
just removing all the air from it since water is by definition neutral
to the surrounding medium in which you are diving...
Chris Guynn - 14 Jul 2006 17:35 GMT
> > I just add water to my BC;-)
>
> Adding water to your BC does not make you lose any more buoyancy than
> just removing all the air from it since water is by definition neutral
> to the surrounding medium in which you are diving...

THis is true and, I'm sure something that John already knows... at least,
that's how I interpreted the smiley.

At the same time, it will reduce the amount of space that air in your BC can
take up and *possibly* make it easier to remove whatever air might remain.
John Hanson - 15 Jul 2006 17:30 GMT
>> > I just add water to my BC;-)
>>
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>THis is true and, I'm sure something that John already knows... at least,
>that's how I interpreted the smiley.

Someone gave me that tip...it didn't work.  Hehe.

>At the same time, it will reduce the amount of space that air in your BC can
>take up and *possibly* make it easier to remove whatever air might remain.

There might be something to that.  I just try to stay below 10 feet
when my tank gets under 1500 psi.
Al Wells - 15 Jul 2006 17:45 GMT
> There might be something to that.  I just try to stay below 10 feet
> when my tank gets under 1500 psi.

Add more weight - you need to be able to stay neutral anywhere, anytime
during your dive, with almost nothing left in your tank. Weight yourself
right with a full tank, and then add more depending on the tank's swing.
mike gray - 16 Jul 2006 18:59 GMT
>>There might be something to that.  I just try to stay below 10 feet
>>when my tank gets under 1500 psi.
>
> Add more weight - you need to be able to stay neutral anywhere, anytime
> during your dive, with almost nothing left in your tank. Weight yourself
> right with a full tank, and then add more depending on the tank's swing.

Exactly!

When that big ol' cabin cruiser full of drunks is headed right
for ya at the end of yer dive with an empty tank, ya have two
alternatives: wave yer arms and holler "Look out!", or descend.

Personally, I find being able to descend keeps ugly propellor
scars off my gear.

m
Lee Bell - 14 Jul 2006 16:06 GMT
> John. I'm surprised you didn't do "Peak Performance Buoyancy" for one
> of your AOW adventures..

Too much adventure, perhaps.  It's a shame he didn't.  It's one of the
better offerings at that level.

Lee
 
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