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Scuba Forum / General / September 2006Using snorkel to learn how to float in upright position?
I want to learn how to float in an upright position (vertically). This means having to go into deeper water than the top of my head. I figure the only way to do it without sinking and dying is having a 3 foot snorkel so I can still breathe if I sink down while I'm doing it. The pool is 8 ft deep. Is this the way to do it, or is there another way? And most importantly, do they sell snorkels with a 3 foot tube :) why would you want to stand the 8 foot end of a pool & how would you want to float & stand at the same time? >I want to learn how to float in an upright position (vertically). This > means having to go into deeper water than the top of my head. I figure > the only way to do it without sinking and dying is having a 3 foot > snorkel so I can still breathe if I sink down while I'm doing it. The > pool is 8 ft deep. Is this the way to do it, or is there another way? > And most importantly, do they sell snorkels with a 3 foot tube :) >why would you want to stand the 8 foot end of a pool & how would you want >to float & stand at the same time? I don't want to stand, I want to float vertically instead of my back or stomach or whatever. My pool goes from about 4ft and then slides down diagonally to 8 ft. You will slide down if you try to stand on that diagonal part. So you either practice vertical floating in 4 ft which you can't do because you're feet will be hitting the floor, or you do it where it's 8 ft. If you wanna do vertical floating you gotta go in where the water's above your head. >>why would you want to stand the 8 foot end of a pool & how would you want >>to float & stand at the same time? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you do it where it's 8 ft. If you wanna do vertical floating you gotta > go in where the water's above your head. If you are properly weighted and trimmed, you can hover in any position you choose. Your focus should be on achieving the buoyancy skills and gear configuration that allow you to pivot 360 degrees in any axis with no conscious effort. m >If you are properly weighted and trimmed, you can hover in any >position you choose. Your focus should be on achieving the >buoyancy skills and gear configuration that allow you to pivot >360 degrees in any axis with no conscious effort. > >m Hmm, another post that's a little bit hard to understand. You guys here on something? >>If you are properly weighted and trimmed, you can hover in any >>position you choose. Your focus should be on achieving the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Hmm, another post that's a little bit hard to understand. You guys > here on something? Yeah. A scuba newsgroup. Welcome to Rec.scuba, a.shole.  SignaturePopeye "Best thing for him, really, his therapy was going nowhere." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com >> Hmm, another post that's a little bit hard to understand. You guys >> here on something? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Welcome to Rec.scuba, a.shole. Oh contraire my friend, you are the a.shole. I think it's time to go to granny's house for your regular daily head. > Hmm, another post that's a little bit hard to understand. You guys > here on something? Yeah, nitrogen... At elevated pressures usually... >> Hmm, another post that's a little bit hard to understand. You guys >> here on something? > >Yeah, nitrogen... At elevated pressures usually... Ahh! So that's what's wrong with some of the people here. You ask a regular question and then the brain damage becomes apparent. I really only mean Popeye and Lee, I'm not trying to insult anyone else here. > Ahh! So that's what's wrong with some of the people here. You ask a > regular question and then the brain damage becomes apparent. I really > only mean Popeye and Lee, I'm not trying to insult anyone else here. Elevated pressures of nitrogen do not cause brain damage... One could easily argue that this is not necessarily the case for whatever method you currently are using in an attempt to teach yourself how to swim... One has to wonder though... Are you a troll or just an idiot? >> Ahh! So that's what's wrong with some of the people here. You ask a >> regular question and then the brain damage becomes apparent. I really [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >One has to wonder though... Are you a troll or just an idiot? No I ain't no troll or idiot sir. I don't believe learning how to float (I already know how to swim) by reading and seeing videos on the net is being an idiot. It does seem though that too many people here might be on crack then, or wiping each others butts. > > Ahh! So that's what's wrong with some of the people here. You ask a > > regular question and then the brain damage becomes apparent. I really [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > method you currently are using in an attempt to teach yourself how to > swim... Nitrogen Narcosis could cause someone to do something very stupid which could result in brain damage... I assume that you cound death as falling into the brain damage realm... Although it would be true that the nitrogen itself didn't technically cause the brain damage. It's much like jumping off a tall building. Jumping off didn't cause you to die, it was stopping at the bottom that caused you to die. > It's much like jumping off a tall building. Jumping off > didn't cause you to die, it was stopping at the bottom > that caused you to die. Awh 'ell, Chris... Everyone knows that it's the *second* bounce that kills ya'... <grin> > One has to wonder though... Are you a troll or just an idiot? Very blatantly a troll. Posts a ridiculous question. Lapses into "you folks at rec.scuba" far too easily. V. > >> Hmm, another post that's a little bit hard to understand. You guys > >> here on something? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > regular question and then the brain damage becomes apparent. I really > only mean Popeye and Lee, I'm not trying to insult anyone else here. I'm fairly certain that neither of them is insulted... for that matter, I'm fairly certain that you don't have the capability to be able to insult either of them. They are what they are and they know what they know. From what I've been able to tell, they really don't give noobs of the group much credence and they sure don't cut them any slack. This is especially true when the original post appears to be troll-like in its substance. For better or worse, that's how they are and we all love them for it. >> >> Hmm, another post that's a little bit hard to understand. You guys >> >> here on something? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >when the original post appears to be troll-like in its substance. For >better or worse, that's how they are and we all love them for it. I knew you were in cahoots with them, and think of this group as your "bar". With newbies lower on the status bar. Groups like that, what a disgrace. That's why a lot of you seem to be acting they way you do. So you seem to think of them as some gods or something that don't care what's said to them? Haha. Guess what? That's called being an a.shole, and I have insulted them back already. They care but don't know what to say, cause they're too stupid. And this ain't no troll brother trust me you a.shole. > >I'm fairly certain that neither of them is insulted... for that matter, I'm > >fairly certain that you don't have the capability to be able to insult [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I knew you were in cahoots with them, and think of this group as your > "bar". Funny, I hadn't realized I was in cahoots with anybody. > With newbies lower on the status bar. Groups like that, what a > disgrace. So, just curious, but what groups have you been a part of where newbies aren't lower on the status bar. Oh sure, some groups may welcome them with open arms, but they're still newbies. > That's why a lot of you seem to be acting they way you do. Hmmm... we offered advice and it was good even if it was't what you wanted to hear. How are we acting again? > So you seem to think of them as some gods or something that don't care > what's said to them? No. I don't view them as "some gods or something". I just understand that they really don't care what you say about them and that the don't need or want your acceptance of them. It's pretty simple psychology actually. They don't mind so you don't matter. > Haha. Guess what? That's called being an a.shole, and I have insulted them back already. Is that what you call an insult? You've got a lot of USENET to crawl. > They care but don't know what > to say, cause they're too stupid. Let me make this very clear. They DON'T care. > And this ain't no troll brother trust me you a.shole. Call me an a.shole if you must. Just notice that I have yet to extend any type of insult your direction. >> I knew you were in cahoots with them, and think of this group as your >> "bar". [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >Call me an a.shole if you must. Just notice that I have yet to extend any >type of insult your direction. Nice that you admit to thinking of newbie people as a lower status, that's just so great of you. There's many groups that don't act like that. The only a.shole who hasn't responded is that Lee Bell a.shole who started all this, and that's either because a) he's the kind of a.shole who's rude to you and doesn't look back (the worst kind, and that part about caring you're right about) b) he's a coward and c) he's too stupid to think of anything and respond. Now I don't care which it is, I don't give a sh.t whether he cares or not, I said my piece, he can read it or not, put me in his filter or whatever the f.ck he wants. Oh and sorry about insulting you, with so many insults flying around I didn't notice you hadn't, I take that back. <snip> > Nice that you admit to thinking of newbie people as a lower status, > that's just so great of you. Do new people at work make the same amount of money as old timers? Does the new guy at your club meetings automatically become president? Don't kid yourself. Being new automatically means you're on the bottom rung and you have to prove yourself before you get to move up. Call me cynical if you must, but that's reality. > Oh and sorry about insulting you, with so many insults > flying around I didn't notice you hadn't, I take that back. If only it were that easy. ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >have to prove yourself before you get to move up. Call me cynical if you >must, but that's reality. That's just a stupid comparison, so arrogant. There's so many groups that are not like you buffoons. >> Oh and sorry about insulting you, with so many insults >> flying around I didn't notice you hadn't, I take that back. > >If only it were that easy. Ok you twat I don't take it back, and shove it up your a.s harder this time. <snip> > That's just a stupid comparison, so arrogant. There's so many groups > that are not like you buffoons. Then for God's (or Allah's, Buddha's, Vishnu's, Gaia's or the Great Maker's) sake, PLEASE GO BACK THERE! Dennis > Ok you twat I don't take it back, and shove it up your a.s harder this > time. Much fear I sense in this one. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. In this fool's case, suffering is likely to be a prolonged 2 minutes at the bottom of the pool, as he loses the race to grow gills before the urge to breathe becomes overpowering. I hope he is a troll, for his sake - b/c if he really is such a hyper-excitable little twerp, he should be in a cage, where he can fling his feces around to the amusement of viewers. V. <snip> > I hope he is a troll, for his sake - b/c if he really is such a > hyper-excitable little twerp, he should be in a cage, where he can > fling his feces around to the amusement of viewers. Isn't that what's happening? >Nice that you admit to thinking of newbie people as a lower status, >that's just so great of you. There's many groups that don't act like [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >f.ck he wants. Oh and sorry about insulting you, with so many insults >flying around I didn't notice you hadn't, I take that back. *Sigh* Insults, like beauty, are in the eyes of the beholder. You claim to be old enough, so you should know that by now. As for Lee Bell, I sincerely doubt that he meant to do anything else than answer you. You may have found it rude and insulting, but I doubt it was meant that way. I know I've asked some pretty dumb questions here, and Lee (and others) have *always* responded, and I've never thought insultingly or anything else. It sucks that your firm but fair sense of justice and that your brilliant wit and charming personality don't project instantly through the electrons, but that's just the way it works. I know I'm much more facile with these computer things, being about 20 years your junior, but even I have trouble remembering that sometimes, I can only guess how difficult it must be for you. Oh, and as far as "newbies" being looked down on, where do you think FNG came from? Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA ghekhuis@earthlink.net We'll cross that bridge when it rears its ugly head > Nice that you admit to thinking of newbie people as a lower status, > that's just so great of you. Its not that newbies are of lower status: they simply have NO status. As such, they fall below those with positive status ... and by default, come in above those who have developed a negative status. >From your first post, you were treated better than the likes of "known negatives" such as Carl and Fish. You did do a nosedive where you might ultimately end up in the gutter with them, but its still been less than a day, so you can recover and pull yourself up...if that's what you wish. Your online reputation is what you make of it, especially with a new account. > There's many groups that don't act like that. If that's true, then you should have no problem in naming a dozen of examples to serve as illustration to your assertion: "cite please". BTW, don't sweat it if it isn't quite a dozen. Five or six good references should suffice. From an idealistic and optimistic perspective, I'd like to believe that what you're saying is true, but based on what I've seen online over the decades, I unforunately don't believe that it is...this is one of those cases where I really would like to be wrong. -hh <snip> >> There's many groups that don't act like that. > > If that's true, then you should have no problem in naming a dozen of > examples to serve as illustration to your assertion: "cite please". Any newsgroup beginning with rec.aviation But it's good to know that I'm not the only one who got a crappy welcome (granted, I haven't been following along, so maybe he deserves what he's getting) ><snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (granted, I haven't been following along, so maybe he deserves what >he's getting) I'd call someone who wants to learn to swim from a book or the net, ina pool deeper than his head, without knowing how to FLOAT, either a troll, or someone with a BIG insurance policy and some broke relatives. at least I hope he does, someones gotta benefit from his learnign to breathe H2O >> <snip> >>>> There's many groups that don't act like that. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > relatives. at least I hope he does, someones gotta benefit from his > learnign to breathe H2O Well, yeah, I realized that after I started reading. Who doesn't know how to FLOAT? No one ever taught me to swim, and I've survived pretty well. > <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (granted, I haven't been following along, so maybe he deserves what he's > getting) If you'd been following along, you'd see exactly why you got a crappy welcome. SignaturePopeye "Best thing for him, really, his therapy was going nowhere." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com >> <snip> >>>> There's many groups that don't act like that. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If you'd been following along, you'd see exactly why you got a crappy > welcome. Oh, please. Because newbies aren't welcome? That's what I thought. I'd have lost my job when I instructed if I treated potential students like that. >>> <snip> >>>>> There's many groups that don't act like that. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Oh, please. Thank you! > Because newbies aren't welcome? Because the question he asked was trollish, as was yours. I tried to help you, and you never even responded to my post. >That's what I thought. Not that I see. > I'd have lost my job when I instructed if I treated potential students > like that. Walk-in students as compared to anonymous internet posts? That's an excellent example. Anyway, it's nice to see that you don't have a chip on your shoulder from it. <snip> >> Because newbies aren't welcome? > > Because the question he asked was trollish, as was yours. How was mine trollish? > I tried to help you, and you never even responded to my post. There were a lot that got lost in that thread. I'll go back and try to find it. <snip> > Walk-in students as compared to anonymous internet posts? > > That's an excellent example. Actually, it was. I was treated almost as badly in a few dive shops. > <snip> > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Actually, it was. I was treated almost as badly in a few dive shops. I answered you honestly when you asked a question before and you ignored my response. Pops was just annoyed because he was trying to flirt with you. :-) Welcome to rec.scuba. Note that I did not say, Welcome to rec.scuba, a.shole. * O Lord, thou art on the sandbanks As well as in the midst of the current; I bow to thee. >>> Walk-in students as compared to anonymous internet posts? >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I answered you honestly when you asked a question before and you > ignored my response. I didn't ignore it, honestly! I read every word. I did find a local club, but didn't have time to look into it before I went on vacation. > Actually, it was. I was treated almost as badly in a few dive shops. Obviously you need to show more cleavage when you go to the dive shops. > >> <snip> > >>>> There's many groups that don't act like that. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Oh, please. Because newbies aren't welcome? That's what I thought. They're very welcome. I was a newbie here, once, and was made to feel quite at home. I dont recall the specifics about your welcome and don't want to look it up right now. > I'd have lost my job when I instructed if I treated potential students > like that. Dennis On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:50:48 -0500, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote: >> Oh, please. Because newbies aren't welcome? That's what I thought. > >They're very welcome. I was a newbie here, once, and was made to feel quite >at home. >I dont recall the specifics about your welcome and don't want to look it up >right now. >Dennis made to feel quite at home?same here, my sibs tend to fling insults around as well :P at one point airhog made a comment about teaching pigs to sing :P stuff like that. Then again I was RNF or RNF2 at the time so I dunno if anyone her would be recognising me now :P > >> <snip> > >>>> There's many groups that don't act like that. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I'd have lost my job when I instructed if I treated potential students > like that. I didn't get a crappy welcome. The closest I came was when I insulted Magilla for no reason. After much groveling, as far as I can tell, we're cool now. >> >> <snip> >> >>>> There's many groups that don't act like that. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Magilla for no reason. After much groveling, as far as I can tell, we're > cool now. I don't remember whining like these cherries, myself. Oh. Wait....; ===================================== DFrede8821 Apr 15 1998, 12:00 am show options Newsgroups: rec.scuba From: dfrede8...@aol.com (DFrede8821) - Find messages by this author Date: 1998/04/15 Subject: Re: scuba shops not recognizing commercial dive certifications Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse I'M A NEW DIVER,WORK PART TIME AT A WPB SHOP FILLING TANKS,AND SAW THE BLOOD ON THE WALL UP THE STREET WERE ONE BLEW UP.IN SIX MONTHS,I'VE SEEN TANKS TEN YEARS OUT OF HYDRO,VIP'S MADE OF DUCT TAPE(SSSHHHUUURRE THE'RE LEGAL,I'M CERTIFIED !!).I'M PUTTING MY LIFE AND MY BOSS'ES SHOP ON THE LINE FOR TWO DAMN BUCKS.BE MATURE ENOUGH TO BRING THE WRITE FRIGGIN PAPER WORK,ESPECIALLY!IF YOU ARE A PRO. POPEYE. REMINDS ME OF BEING A BOUNCER AND TELLING 40 YEAR OLDS THAT IF YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH TO DRINK,YOU SHOULD BE OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER YOUR DRIVER'S LISCENCE ======================================== Jammer Six Apr 14 1998, 12:00 am show options Newsgroups: rec.scuba From: jam...@oz.net (Jammer Six) - Find messages by this author Date: 1998/04/14 Subject: Re: scuba shops not recognizing commercial dive certifications In article <1998041501555500.VAA28...@ladÂder01.news.aol.com>, dfrede8...@aol.com (DFrede8821) wrote: >? I'M A NEW DIVER,WORK PART TIME AT A WPB SHOP FILLING TANKS,AND SAW THE BLOOD ON >? THE WALL UP THE STREET WERE ONE BLEW UP.IN SIX MONTHS,I'VE SEEN TANKS TEN YEARS >? OUT OF HYDRO,VIP'S MADE OF DUCT TAPE(SSSHHHUUURRE THE'RE LEGAL,I'M >? CERTIFIED!!). Well, until you get some experiance, and know something about tanks, stop yelling, try not to stutter, fill the tanks, and get me some coffee. We'll let you know when you know enough to post, and then we'll notify you again when you know enough to raise your voice. I'm not yelling now, because I've found that when I yell, it scares people as junior as you are, and I've spent enough time with my hand on an apprentices shoulder, saying "there, there, don't cry..." As for the stuttering, that's because silence is your best policy, unless you're only posting in the aol scuba forum. Now shut the f.ck up, and get me that coffee. Hot, black, and now. --------- "C'mon, you sons of bitches, you want to live forever?" -First Sergeant Dan Daly, 1918 ======================================= 1998041501555500.VAA28...@ladder01.news.aol.com ======================================= Jammer Six Apr 15 1998, 12:00 am show options Newsgroups: rec.scuba From: jam...@oz.net (Jammer Six) - Find messages by this author Date: 1998/04/15 Subject: Re: scuba shops not recognizing commercial dive certifications Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse In article <1998041501555500.VAA28...@ladÂder01.news.aol.com>, dfrede8...@aol.com (DFrede8821) wrote: >? oooohhhh! a scuba nazi! been there,done that know every thing. >? i love telling people like you i can't fill your tanks. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >? too busy using it for a pedestal to stand on while heckling others. >? bite me coffee boy. There you go, aol! See? You stop shouting, and the stuttering goes away! Remember that. Tell somebody intellegent, and ask them to remember it for you. Progress. Very little, and very slowly, but definitely progress. Now, write this down. I will never be in a position to deny Jammer anything. Stop writing. That's all you need to know for today, aol. Maybe someday you'll realize why this is so, but for now, just read what your wrote down and think it over every time you have a question, and that should keep you from stepping on your dick too many times. There's a few other basics, but if you really are working in a dive store, they'll be beat into you in a few weeks. Now get me more coffee. I always suspected that the idiots working in dive stores were the greenest divers on the planet. Now I know for sure. --------- "C'mon, you sons of bitches, you want to live forever?" -First Sergeant Dan Daly, 1918 --------- ======================================================= Search Result 103 From: DFrede8821 (dfrede8821@aol.com) Subject: Re: scuba shops not recognizing commercial dive certifications Newsgroups: rec.scuba View: Complete Thread (33 articles) | Original Format Date: 1998/04/16 Dear Jammer, Here's today's practice... I could have been your father, but a dog beat me up the stairs. How'm I doing? Your coffee is in that slot on your computer. Have a nice day. POPEYE>GOOD boy, now keep practicing, and keep the coffee coming. POPEYE SignaturePopeye "Best thing for him, really, his therapy was going nowhere." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com <snip> He just bought a Dillon Square deal, over my recommendation to purchase a C&H press. It all comes around. > He just bought a Dillon Square deal, over my recommendation to purchase a > C&H press. Not a bad deal for someone who only wants to reload pistols and doesn't mind buying all their dies from Dillon. Personally, I have a Dillon 550 B. It does a nice, consistent job quickly. I've found some disadvantages to a progressive press, but not many. The one thing that does bother me, which I didn't experience until I started loading .40 cal, is that small pistol primers sometimes turn upside down in the tube. I've had about a half dozen seated upside down, giving me an excuse to use my inertial bullet puller. I will be calling Dillon to see if they have any advice. Lee > > He just bought a Dillon Square deal, over my recommendation to purchase a > > C&H press. > > Not a bad deal for someone who only wants to reload pistols and doesn't mind > buying all their dies from Dillon. Like I said. >> > He just bought a Dillon Square deal, over my recommendation to purchase >a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Like I said. I like my 550B. When I was shooting a .38 Super (.38 Stupid at the loads we use) I would crank out 500 rounds for a Saturday match. And shoot all of it. Signaturedillon JAFO > I like my 550B. When I was shooting a .38 Super (.38 Stupid at the > loads we use) I would crank out 500 rounds for a Saturday match. And > shoot all of it. Ever use a C&H? http://www.ch4d.com/catalog/presses/pistol_champ.htm >>> <snip> >>>>> There's many groups that don't act like that. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I'd have lost my job when I instructed if I treated potential students >like that. Yeah, but would you have said "here's the keys, bring it back in one piece"? That's what this guy wants to do. I trusted my CFI with my life. He took good care of me, right up until the bird strike. Signaturedillon JAFO >But it's good to know that I'm not the only one who got a crappy welcome I rest my case. > But it's good to know that I'm not the only one who got a crappy welcome >(granted, I haven't been following along, so maybe he deserves what > he's getting) Sorry to hear that you thought you got a poor welcome. I missed that thread as I was off on vacation. With discussion group experience, it becomes pretty obvious to read between the author to determine if it is a genuine "newbie with first account" as opposed to "oldbie with a new sockpuppet", which also factors into the Troll-or-Trust assessment. The rest is just shorter fuzes on some participants. I personally tend to give out more rope than most...when the troll then hangs himself with it, the resulting proverbial 200ft drop make it less open to interpretation and more definitively black+white for other readers. In any event, glad you're hanging around. I didn't read through the 300+ posts of the thread you started, but what was the bottom line - - did you get it sorted out for what you need to get back into the hobby? -hh >> But it's good to know that I'm not the only one who got a crappy welcome >>(granted, I haven't been following along, so maybe he deserves what [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >-hh That so many people here are paranoid and have a history of trolls just shows how this group has a real personality problem. > That so many people here are paranoid and have a history of trolls > just shows how this group has a real personality problem. No, that's merely you leaping to invalid conclusions. Suffice to say that the group has an extremely long history (decades) with many regular participants with equally long histories of a culture that you don't necessarily comprehend. Go spend this afternoon in, say, Greenwich Village in the City. Then ask yourself how long you would have to live there before you really understood everything about that neighborhood...its not going to happen overnight. BTW, when you're underwater in a freshwater pool, do you open your eyes open or closed? -hh <snip> > BTW, when you're underwater in a freshwater pool, do you open your eyes > open or closed? I open them closed - I like being able to see where I'm going, but I'm not fond of the chlorine. Eyes open closed works nicely. ;-) Dennis > <snip> > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Eyes open closed works nicely. > ;-) Ouch! Sorry about that. I shoulda known that PADI offers a "Grammar Instructor Coach" specialty too! :-) -hh > > <snip> > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ouch! Sorry about that. No worries, hh - it was a nice morning chuckle :-) > I shoulda known that PADI offers a "Grammar Instructor Coach" specialty > too! :-) Probably even have a nice patch. > -hh Dennis Thus spake "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> : ><snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Dennis Now wasn't there a soft porn movie with the name "Eyes shut widely"? Signaturedillon JAFO > Thus spake "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> : > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Now wasn't there a soft porn movie with the name "Eyes shut widely"? Wasn't it "Eyes Wide Shut"? >> Thus spake "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> : >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Wasn't it "Eyes Wide Shut"? No it was called "Dillon's Mom's Anus Wide Open" >>>Thus spake "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> : >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > No it was called "Dillon's Mom's Anus Wide Open" There's that a.s fixation again >>> Thus spake "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> : >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > No it was called "Dillon's Mom's Anus Wide Open" again, in the words of the great one, vanish, wee one poof. >> That so many people here are paranoid and have a history of trolls >> just shows how this group has a real personality problem. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >-hh Let's go for 100 scabs! > That so many people here are paranoid and have a history of trolls > just shows how this group has a real personality problem. Or it shows how adept the group is at recognizing yet another juvenile troll. Usually this comes from a web-tv domain though. <snip> > In any event, glad you're hanging around. I didn't read through the > 300+ posts of the thread you started Nor did I. , but what was the bottom line - - > did you get it sorted out for what you need to get back into the hobby? Working on it. Ended up out of the country on a business trip then on vacation where all I did was a little snorkeling. Going to call dive shop #4 today or Monday. > <snip> > > In any event, glad you're hanging around. I didn't read through the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > vacation where all I did was a little snorkeling. Going to call dive > shop #4 today or Monday. Good luck with that. Dennis ><snip> >> In any event, glad you're hanging around. I didn't read through the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >vacation where all I did was a little snorkeling. Going to call dive >shop #4 today or Monday. Don't call too many unless you're just getting the run around. Not ragging on you, but it is easy to get overwhelmed with "facts". But if the shop ain't cutting it, move on. Signaturedillon JAFO >><snip> >>> In any event, glad you're hanging around. I didn't read through the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >ragging on you, but it is easy to get overwhelmed with "facts". But >if the shop ain't cutting it, move on. Have you called Grapevine Scuba? I can talk to Mike and CB and get you set up. Or come down to Austin. I can do a review in about an hour and we can go diving after that. If you want to get a night dive in at 3 pm, that is. If you come down on Sunday you can get some good barbecue and a really mean homebrew (type varies on brewer's mood) Signaturedillon JAFO > If you want to get a night dive > in at 3 pm, that is. Awhk, 'ell, at Travis you can get a night dive at noon with the sun going super nova... It's dark down there past the thermoclime and in the trees... >> If you want to get a night dive >> in at 3 pm, that is. > > Awhk, 'ell, at Travis you can get a night dive at noon with the sun > going super nova... It's dark down there past the thermoclime and in > the trees... Ok, what's so bad about Travis (besides the freshwater bit)? >> If you want to get a night dive >> in at 3 pm, that is. > >Awhk, 'ell, at Travis you can get a night dive at noon with the sun >going super nova... It's dark down there past the thermoclime and in >the trees... The trees. I've been "creepy" narced at 80 feet in the trees. Dark, cold and things reaching out to grab you. Signaturedillon JAFO > The trees. I've been "creepy" narced at 80 feet in the trees. Dark, > cold and things reaching out to grab you. Kind of funny that after all these years, those trees are still down there... The Mansfield Dam (aka Marshall Ford Dam by the CoE) was completed in 1941... Interesting descending a anchor line through the trees though... Even with a 10W HID light, it was dark... The leafless limbs are just silhouettes is the dark greenish gloom before you completely lose all surface light... Hell, I've seen caves that didn't seem as dark as Travis at depth... A 3mm suit is not quite warm enough for it... At the dam, I believe that it is around 175 ft deep, depending upon the current water level... Nothing quite like 170 ft of narcosis combined with cold and dark... Combine that with the trees like around Starnes Island and it woiuld be a perfect dive... <grin> >> The trees. I've been "creepy" narced at 80 feet in the trees. Dark, >> cold and things reaching out to grab you. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > narcosis combined with cold and dark... Combine that with the trees > like around Starnes Island and it woiuld be a perfect dive... <grin> Hmm, yeah, I think I'll stay up here. <snip> > Have you called Grapevine Scuba? I tried to stop by today during lunch, thinking I could find it just based on the road it's on. That didn't work so well, and I ended up getting lost. Shows you what happens when you think you're too smart for a map. Damnit, I'll head over there during lunch tomorrow. I can talk to Mike and CB and get > you set up. Or come down to Austin. How far is Austin? Are we talking two or six hours...because I've heard both. > If you come down on Sunday you can get some good barbecue and a really > mean homebrew (type varies on brewer's mood) Now THAT sounds good. > How far is Austin? Are we talking two or six hours...because I've heard > both. From Grapevine, it's 213 miles to Mansfield Dam... About 4 hours... Or about 160 nm from DFW to AUS, thus an easy 2 hr flight even with significant headwinds... Depending upon traffic, it definitely could take 6 hours to drive from Grapevine to Austin, especially if you did it during rush hour... >> How far is Austin? Are we talking two or six hours...because I've heard >> both. > > From Grapevine, it's 213 miles to Mansfield Dam... About 4 hours... Or > about 160 nm from DFW to AUS, thus an easy 2 hr flight even with > significant headwinds... Yeah, not real crazy about flying back alone after diving. Even at 2500 ft. <g> > Yeah, not real crazy about flying back alone after diving. Even at 2500 > ft. <g> Then fly at 1000 ft... Or scud run... >> How far is Austin? Are we talking two or six hours...because I've heard >> both. > >From Grapevine, it's 213 miles to Mansfield Dam... About 4 hours... Or >about 160 nm from DFW to AUS, thus an easy 2 hr flight even with >significant headwinds... Yeah, but Bergstrom is a good hour away from the dam. >Depending upon traffic, it definitely could take 6 hours to drive from >Grapevine to Austin, especially if you did it during rush hour... I used to make the drive from Carrollton to Windy Point in about 3 1/2 hours. Call it 75-80 mph on 35 south of 20 to RR620. Signaturedillon JAFO >So, just curious, but what groups have you been a part of where newbies >aren't lower on the status bar. Oh sure, some groups may welcome them with >open arms, but they're still newbies. New people are welcome on all groups if they're not morons, trolls or know-it-alls. > New people are welcome on all groups if they're not morons, trolls or > know-it-alls. So, this twit has 3 strikes against him? >> New people are welcome on all groups if they're not morons, trolls or >> know-it-alls. > >So, this twit has 3 strikes against him? The Trifecta! >> New people are welcome on all groups if they're not morons, trolls or >> know-it-alls. > >So, this twit has 3 strikes against him? It's so pathetic how you think of the groups. "New people are welcome blah blah blah". Just shows what a fart brain you are, and the others who think of it this way. Just because a bunch of hobos hang around at a corner doesn't mean they own the corner or the corner's theirs. > >> New people are welcome on all groups if they're not morons, trolls or > >> know-it-alls. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > who think of it this way. Just because a bunch of hobos hang around > at a corner doesn't mean they own the corner or the corner's theirs. So tell us, all knowing and wise perveyor of truth, exactly how should we act/view it? >> >> New people are welcome on all groups if they're not morons, trolls or >> >> know-it-alls. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >So tell us, all knowing and wise perveyor of truth, exactly how should we >act/view it? I think you're too stupid to ever learn, sorry. > >> >> New people are welcome on all groups if they're not morons, trolls or > >> >> know-it-alls. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I think you're too stupid to ever learn, sorry. How could we ever be able to learn if those who already know, namely you, refuse to share your abundant knowledge? > >So, just curious, but what groups have you been a part of where newbies > >aren't lower on the status bar. Oh sure, some groups may welcome them with > >open arms, but they're still newbies. > > New people are welcome on all groups if they're not morons, trolls or > know-it-alls. New people are welcome here. They just don't start with the same level of... ummm... credence (?) as some of the regulars. That puts them on a "lower level." > Ahh! So that's what's wrong with some of the people here. You ask a > regular question and then the brain damage becomes apparent. Yeah, but we didn't hold it against you at first. Now, you've identified yourself as a total dumbass, and we agree with you. You don't need -any- supervision in the pool. >> Ahh! So that's what's wrong with some of the people here. You ask a >> regular question and then the brain damage becomes apparent. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You don't need -any- supervision in the pool. Obviously you didn't understand the context of the sentence, but that's allright I understand, you being a virtual retard and all. Peace brother, and don't think too hard. > Ahh! So that's what's wrong with some of the people here. You ask a > regular question and then the brain damage becomes apparent. I really > only mean Popeye and Lee, I'm not trying to insult anyone else here. You are a liar. >>> Hmm, another post that's a little bit hard to understand. You guys >>> here on something? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >regular question and then the brain damage becomes apparent. I really >only mean Popeye and Lee, I'm not trying to insult anyone else here. Please feel free to add me to the list. A 3 ft snorkle just won't work. If you're going to sink, just kick up and try again. But if you're going to sink once, you'll always sink. You do realize that as you inhale, you'll float up and as you exhale you'll sink, right? Signaturedillon JAFO >Please feel free to add me to the list. If you want to, but you haven't really been too bad. >A 3 ft snorkle just won't work. If you're going to sink, just kick up >and try again. But if you're going to sink once, you'll always sink. Yeah I've been told that. >You do realize that as you inhale, you'll float up and as you exhale >you'll sink, right? I don't know about that. What most of the anal retentives here fail to comprehend is that I'm not really talking about floating upright like a fat guy can without moving none of his body parts, I'm talking about "treading water" in the upright position, I didn't know that term before. Moving your arms and legs while your at it, I know that a lot of people will sink if they just stay still and don't move their arms and legs. > What most of the anal retentives here fail to > comprehend is that I'm not really talking about floating upright like > a fat guy can without moving none of his body parts, I'm talking about > "treading water" in the upright position, I didn't know that term > before. Well, that's certainly changes things. And despite you f.cking up your use of the English language, we're the ones being 'anal retentive'. "Check". > Moving your arms and legs while your at it... .... for the Hollywood types, while kneeling in shallow water, or on a box hidden underwater, because they're faking it. This is evidenced by their ability to keep both their shoulders out of the water as well as their heads, while being able to still recite lines. > ... I know that a lot of people will sink if they just stay still and > don't move their arms and legs. They'll sink to a point: the human body is roughly the same density as water, which means that the physics of treading water is not that you're trying to prevent the whole body from sinking, but is that you're trying to generate enough vertical thrust to lift one's head clear of the water. The average human head is around 10-11 lbs (down to vertebra C3), so to resist gravity requires around 15 Watts of power to be generated to do this. The continuous power output potential for an average fit adult (75 watts), so this is doable if the biomehcanics of the candidate's 'treading water' technique is better than 20% efficency. Since we know that some people can indeed tread water for extended periods of time, this level of efficiency is either possible, and/or there's another factor in play. For example, you can reduce your power need by changing technique so as to not raise as much mass out of the water. Which brings us back to those Hollywood actors Otter's trying to emulate. They typically have their heads well clear of the water, plus they often have the tops of their shoulders exposed too - - - this means that their supposed "treading water" needs to lift even more mass above the waterline. Try it; you'll see what I mean. Since they're usually barely moving their arms and happily reciting lines, it is obvious that they're not actually performing much actual work to provide this 'lift'. The simple alternative is that they're somehow being supported ...standing on a box, hidden lifejacket, etc... and not actually free floating in the water and doing it purely by swimming/treading water. Naturally, Otter is free to disagree. Fortunately, the Hudson River is close by for him to prove to us otherwise. My personal preference for recreationally going into the City is via the New York Waterways ferry, as one of their docks is just a couple of blocks from the Javits and a short walk from B&H Photo/Video. -hh >> Moving your arms and legs while your at it... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >the water as well as their heads, while being able to still recite >lines. What was that movie where the couple get stranded in the ocean after they're scuba diving and their boat leaves them behind? You know the one. Since they're not fat they seem to be treading water for a full day. Are you saying that can't be done? It seems like they just need to move their arms and legs a little bit to stay afloat. Is that unrealistic? I don't know if it's a misconception that only fat people can float without moving anything but how long can the average unobese person tread water in that upright position? Before they get real tired of course. >Naturally, Otter is free to disagree. Fortunately, the Hudson River is >close by for him to prove to us otherwise. My personal preference for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >-hh Haha. Most people here might not get your little Hudson River joke. I prefer the East River. > >> Moving your arms and legs while your at it... > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > What was that movie where the couple get stranded in the ocean after > they're scuba diving and their boat leaves them behind? You know the That'd be Open Water, where in 15 minutes into the movie I began rooting for the sharks. > one. Since they're not fat they seem to be treading water for a full > day. Are you saying that can't be done? It seems like they just need > to move their arms and legs a little bit to stay afloat. Is that > unrealistic? I don't know if it's a misconception that only fat people It is unrealistic, because they have bouyancy compensators. "Drop your weight belt and inflate your BC!" No need to waste energy treading water when the BC will keep you afloat. Scuba instruction will teach you neat stuff like that. > can float without moving anything but how long can the average unobese > person tread water in that upright position? Before they get real > tired of course. Depends on the person - but generally it'd be a better thing to float in a more relaxed position, such as on your back. Dennis > What was that movie where the couple get stranded in the ocean after > they're scuba diving and their boat leaves them behind? ... > Since they're not fat they seem to be treading water for a full > day. Keyword being "seem". In Hollywood, they tend to fake things. What was that movie with the big "unsinkable ship" that hit an iceberg and sank? You know the one. Now do you really think that there's now two Titanic's lying on the bottom of the North Atlantic because Hollywood made a full-size duplicate and then took it out and drove it around until it got whacked (and re-sunk) by an iceberg, just so that they could film it all? If you do, I'll sell you some lovely riverside property in Brooklyn... ...even though with all of your homophobic jokes, its obvious that you would be more comfortable simply staying in Queens. Your loss. > Are you saying that can't be done? It seems like they just need > to move their arms and legs a little bit to stay afloat. Is that > unrealistic? With the additional floation of a BC and wetsuit, sinking due to a lack of buoyancy wasn't the Longeran's initial problem. Nor was it likely to be hypothermia for the first 24 hours, as this was tropical waters. > I don't know if it's a misconception that only fat people > can float without moving anything but how long can the average unobese > person tread water in that upright position? Before they get real > tired of course. It depends on several factors, including the salinity content of the water (density/buoyancy), and the water's temperature (hypothermia). > Haha. Most people here might not get your little Hudson River joke. I > prefer the East River. Thats because like you, the so-called "East River" is a misnamed fake. Its not a river at all, but merely a tidal strait between Long Island Sound and New York Bay. -hh >Please feel free to add me to the list. Just read your other posts. Ok you are added to the list. > Hmm, another post that's a little bit hard to understand. No doubt. > You guys here on something? Yes, we are onto the fact that you are a punk and a troll, playing with your aunties computer. > >why would you want to stand the 8 foot end of a pool & how would you want > >to float & stand at the same time? > > I don't want to stand, I want to float vertically instead of my back > or stomach or whatever. The obvious question at this point is "why?". The obvious answer to your question is "become fat." > My pool goes from about 4ft and then slides > down diagonally to 8 ft. You will slide down if you try to stand on > that diagonal part. So you either practice vertical floating in 4 ft > which you can't do because you're feet will be hitting the floor, or > you do it where it's 8 ft. If you wanna do vertical floating you gotta > go in where the water's above your head. >> >why would you want to stand the 8 foot end of a pool & how would you >want [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >The obvious question at this point is "why?". The obvious answer to your >question is "become fat." Like I said I've always seen people doing it on tv and movies. I just want to learn it. Cmon now, I don't believe you have to become fat to do it. I've seen lot's of slim people do it. > >> >why would you want to stand the 8 foot end of a pool & how would you > >want [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > want to learn it. Cmon now, I don't believe you have to become fat to > do it. I've seen lot's of slim people do it. Take a deep breath. Either you'll float or you won't. That's it. I can float upright with the waterline just blow my nose, but it's because I'm fat. > Take a deep breath. Either you'll float or you won't. That's it. > > I can float upright with the waterline just blow my nose, but it's because > I'm fat. When Grace was getting certified, there was this one skinny kid at the checkout dives who was also getting certified... They made him wear ditchable weights even though he was negatively buoyant even without any weights... One of those people who even with a lungfull of air, sinks like a rock... > > Take a deep breath. Either you'll float or you won't. That's it. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > any weights... One of those people who even with a lungfull of air, > sinks like a rock... That's my point. Fat floats. It's plain and simple. Skinny/over muscular people sink. End of story. Luckily for them (the skinny/overmuscular), God invented BCs. Luckily for us (fat endowed), God invented lead weight. > Like I said I've always seen people doing it on tv and movies. I just > want to learn it. Cmon now, I don't believe you have to become fat to > do it. I've seen lot's of slim people do it. It would require equipment you don't own, such as cerebrum and cerebellum. >> Like I said I've always seen people doing it on tv and movies. I just >> want to learn it. Cmon now, I don't believe you have to become fat to >> do it. I've seen lot's of slim people do it. > >It would require equipment you don't own, such as cerebrum and cerebellum. Yes and you would require a dick and balls which you cut off on a dare. >I want to learn how to float in an upright position (vertically). This > means having to go into deeper water than the top of my head. No, it doesn't. > I figure the only way to do it without sinking and dying is having a 3 > foot > snorkel so I can still breathe if I sink down while I'm doing it. You figure incorrectly. > The pool is 8 ft deep. Is this the way to do it, or is there another way? Yes, get lessons from someone qualified to teach you to swim. > And most importantly, do they sell snorkels with a 3 foot tube :) No. You couldn't use it if they did. The pressure differential between the surface and 3 feet below the surface is too great. Lee >> And most importantly, do they sell snorkels with a 3 foot tube :) > > No. You couldn't use it if they did. The pressure differential between > the surface and 3 feet below the surface is too great. > > Lee you tried this with a garden hose as a kid, didn't you? ;-) > >> And most importantly, do they sell snorkels with a 3 foot tube |
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