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So who is the IPod expert?

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Kula - 21 Jun 2006 03:45 GMT
The wife gave me one of those dang thingys for Father's Day.  I'm not
normally a high tech kid of guy.  I prefer an early morning with the kids
still asleep, a pot of coffee, and a newspaper to just about anything except
sex.  But I have already grown fond of this thing.  The God awful truth is
that radio on this rock sucks!  It's nice to finally be able to listen to
music I enjoy for a change.  I normally just leave the IPod on "shuffle.
With over 900 songs in my library already, I will always find something I'm
in the mood to listen to.   What I want to know is, is there a way to join
songs?  For example, Jackson Brown's "The Load-Out" segues right into "Stay"
on the album.  Not on the IPod, though.  (Paul Simon, Pink Floyd, and others
all have songs that are really meant to be listened to in a specific order.)
Other than listening to the album in it's entirety, is there anyway to get
the IPod to recognize that if it plays song A, it must follow it with song
B?

suds
Alan Street - 21 Jun 2006 04:30 GMT
> The wife gave me one of those dang thingys for Father's Day.  I'm not
> normally a high tech kid of guy.  I prefer an early morning with the kids
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> the IPod to recognize that if it plays song A, it must follow it with song
> B?

Yes.

You can either arrange songs in a playlist and play the playlist, or if
you want to have them play in the same order they are on the album, do
the following:

Edit:View Options
Check "Track Number" (this turns on a column for Track Number)
In the browser window open the album you want to sort
Click on the top of the column marked "Track Number" and the album will
be sorted in its original order

To set the time between songs to zero:

Preferences:Playback
Check "Crossfade Playback" and set the time to zero.

hth,

Alan

> suds
Grumman-581 - 21 Jun 2006 05:28 GMT
> Yes.

Actually, the answer is 'depends'... I believe that the iPod Shuffle
does not give you that capability... For units that don't give you
that capability, you need to combine the music files into single music
files in whatever order you want them in... Or just rip the entire
album as a single file... I had to do that on some o the comedy albums
since the cutting between jokes sometimes doesn't make sense...
Lee Bell - 21 Jun 2006 14:37 GMT
> Actually, the answer is 'depends'... I believe that the iPod Shuffle
> does not give you that capability... For units that don't give you
> that capability, you need to combine the music files into single music
> files in whatever order you want them in... Or just rip the entire
> album as a single file... I had to do that on some o the comedy albums
> since the cutting between jokes sometimes doesn't make sense...

I've ripped most, if not all, of my CDs to MP3 files.  I don't recall an
option to combine, or edit them like you suggest.  I'm sure I have something
somewhere that will do it, but would have to search through a lot of
programs to find it . . . unless you tell me what you use.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 21 Jun 2006 17:11 GMT
> I've ripped most, if not all, of my CDs to MP3 files.  I don't recall an
> option to combine, or edit them like you suggest.  I'm sure I have something
> somewhere that will do it, but would have to search through a lot of
> programs to find it . . . unless you tell me what you use.

It's going to depend upon the ripping tool that you use... It works
with FreeRIP... I've seen this feature in other ripping tools before,
but FreeRIP has a very clean and simple interface, so I like it...
Alan Street - 21 Jun 2006 17:28 GMT
> > I've ripped most, if not all, of my CDs to MP3 files.  I don't recall an
> > option to combine, or edit them like you suggest.  I'm sure I have
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> with FreeRIP... I've seen this feature in other ripping tools before,
> but FreeRIP has a very clean and simple interface, so I like it...

I should point out that my advice was directed at using iTunes in
conjunction with the iPod. The settings I showed were in iTunes, not on
the iPod itself. iTunes gives you some control over the iPod that other
MP3 players don't.
Grumman-581 - 21 Jun 2006 18:02 GMT
> I should point out that my advice was directed at using iTunes in
> conjunction with the iPod. The settings I showed were in iTunes, not on
> the iPod itself. iTunes gives you some control over the iPod that other
> MP3 players don't.

I looked on the iPod Shuffle that Grace has and it turns out that it
also has a sequential play, not just the shuffle play that I had
originally thought... As such, using the iTunes app to order the songs
on the unit would work without relying upon the alphabetical sort
order of the tracks... Since it doesn't have the capability of
playlists, this is a necessary capability if one wants any sort of
manually controlled ordering in their songs... If you're in shuffle
mode, you'll lose the ordering, so you need to be able to combine the
files into single files if you find that you *must* have a certain
ordering of the files (like for comedy albums and certain music
albums)...
Alan Street - 21 Jun 2006 18:11 GMT
> > I should point out that my advice was directed at using iTunes in
> > conjunction with the iPod. The settings I showed were in iTunes, not on
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> ordering of the files (like for comedy albums and certain music
> albums)...

Actually, it does support playlists, but you have to set them up in
iTunes.
Grumman-581 - 21 Jun 2006 18:39 GMT
> Actually, it does support playlists, but you have to set them up in
> iTunes.

Are you saying that you can put multiple playlists on the actual
Shuffle device?  If so, I don't see how you could select between
them... I know that you can have multiple playlists under iTunes, but
with the Shuffle, it seems that you just overwrite the entire Shuffle
device with the new playlist...
Alan Street - 21 Jun 2006 18:58 GMT
> > Actually, it does support playlists, but you have to set them up in
> > iTunes.
>
> Are you saying that you can put multiple playlists on the actual
> Shuffle device?

Theoretically you could have multiple playlists, but they'd play in
series, effectively making them one.

If so, I don't see how you could select between
> them... I know that you can have multiple playlists under iTunes, but
> with the Shuffle, it seems that you just overwrite the entire Shuffle
> device with the new playlist...

That's what I do.
Grumman-581 - 21 Jun 2006 19:51 GMT
> That's what I do.

I was able to fit pretty much all the music that I regularly want to
listen to on the 512M unit... I put it on shuffle play and plug it
into the speakers that I installed in my motorcycle helmet... In
Grace's new car, I can plug it into the auxiliary (line) input and not
have to keep skipping between channels if I'm driving outside the
range of a particular radio station... This car also has the XM radio
(free for the first 3 months), so this is not as much of an issue as
it is in my other vehicles... I also use the ear buds underneath my
headset when I'm flying and outside of controlled or busy airspace...
The wind noise on my Jeep is such that I use the ear buds and MP3
player in it also... My truck is quiet enough and has a good enough
sound system that I don't tend to use the MP3 player in it, although I
do have an RF transmitter for it so that it could play through the
vehicle sound system... Yeah, I know -- too many fuckin' toys...
Satan - 27 Jun 2006 14:42 GMT
>...Yeah, I know -- too many fuckin' toys...

Yep!

I'm just headed out the door for the morning paper myself.  Nobody else is
up yet.  I'll use the IPod when I'm working out at the gym later and than to
drown out the kids' fighting while I'm packing for our trip to Europe.  God!
That starts tomorrow and I have no idea where my passport is.  Have you seen
it, Greg?  LOL

suds/kula/satan
Alan Street - 27 Jun 2006 15:09 GMT
> >...Yeah, I know -- too many fuckin' toys...
>
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>
> suds/kula/satan

Mine lives in my backpack/camera bag. Driving to LAX today to catch the
2:35 bus to SIN.
Greg Mossman - 27 Jun 2006 17:16 GMT
> In article <yBaog.4342$MF6.2443@tornado.socal.rr.com>, Satan
> ?  I'm just headed out the door for the morning paper myself.  Nobody else
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Mine lives in my backpack/camera bag. Driving to LAX today to catch the
> 2:35 bus to SIN.

Mine lives in the drawer next to me in a "travel wallet", ever since I had
to get a replacement a few years back.  Never did find the original, which
buttresses my suspicion that it was stolen and probably being used right now
by an Al Qaeda terrorist who bears a slight resemblance to me.

Enjoy your trips, both of you.  I'm stuck here for three more days.  We
don't head to LAX until Friday night for our big adventure.
Dillon Pyron - 29 Jun 2006 04:38 GMT
>> In article <yBaog.4342$MF6.2443@tornado.socal.rr.com>, Satan
>> ?  I'm just headed out the door for the morning paper myself.  Nobody else
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>Enjoy your trips, both of you.  I'm stuck here for three more days.  We
>don't head to LAX until Friday night for our big adventure.

Likewise for mine.  I also have an envelope with $2000 and 2000 Euros
in the safe.  No telling when I may have to leave town "unexpectedly".
Signature

dillon

JAFO

Scott - 21 Jun 2006 18:31 GMT
> I should point out that my advice was directed at using iTunes in
> conjunction with the iPod. The settings I showed were in iTunes, not on
> the iPod itself. iTunes gives you some control over the iPod that other
> MP3 players don't.

Bingo.

Also this can help some;

http://www.jimwillsher.co.uk/Site/Software/Software_Intro.php

The bulk rename utility is very good.
Lee Bell - 21 Jun 2006 14:35 GMT
> The wife gave me one of those dang thingys for Father's Day.  I'm not
> normally a high tech kid of guy.  I prefer an early morning with the kids
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> entirety, is there anyway to get the IPod to recognize that if it plays
> song A, it must follow it with song B?

I'm not an IPod pro, but I have, and use more than one MP3 player.  The
easiest way to do what you want is probably by changing the name of the
song, forcing them to be stored in a specific order.  For example, renaming
Queen - We Will Rock You to 01 Queen - We Will Rock You and Queen - We Are
the Champions to 02 Queen - We Are the Champions will force them to play in
that order . . . unless you have another song that starts with 01 or 02 with
a name between them.  Of course the shuffle feature will defeat you on this,
but that's the price you pay for doing it the easy way.

The harder way requires software.  I'm sure I have one or more programs
somewhere on my computer that will allow me to join one or more audio tracks
into one and, if necessary, control length and type of transition.  I have
not yet tried to do that for an audio only track.  I have done it for audio
video.  This will do what you want and still let  you use the shuffle
feature.  If you find you have a windows based program that will edit audio
tracks, share the name of it with me.  I'll do the same if/when I find one
on my computer.

Lee

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