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Scuba Forum / General / June 2006Anyone hard anything about Kimber?
The scubaboard is basically worthless regarding information....all it says is not to speculate & no change in condition!!! Hell, what is the condition? All I can ascertain is that something happened &she is being cared for.......anybody know anything? We were email buddies for a while and then kinda lost contact after her operation and move back to CA. ljam wrote:> All I can ascertain is that something happened &she is being cared > for.......anybody know anything? I guess that's what we need to know. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.scuba/browse_frm/thread/b18607957f6fd0b6/aae5 c52efa5740e7?hl=en#aae5c52efa5740e7 Pops- email me. > ljam wrote:> All I can ascertain is that something happened &she is > being cared > > for.......anybody know anything? > I guess that's what we need to know. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.scuba/browse_frm/thread/b18607957f6fd0b6/aae5 c52efa5740e7?hl=en#aae5c52efa5740e7 Information I have is that she is in a coma, has been since surfacing unconcious. Multiple chamber rides. Literally hundreds of people praying, worried and care about her, and we are being given zero accurate information from the man behind the curtain. Someone in law enforcement and/or a lawyer needs to get in the middle of this immediately, to protect her and her children. >> ljam wrote:> All I can ascertain is that something happened &she is >> being cared [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Someone in law enforcement and/or a lawyer needs to get in the middle of >this immediately, to protect her and her children. Hmmm, this is interesting. I saw "Kimber" thread and just assumed that you were referring to that very fine .45 ACP pistol. We often mention it on MFW, although some people have the audacity to speak poorly of it. Well, anywho, I was reading through this and find this all very odd. Is Kimber some sort of scuba wonder woman? Perhaps a celebrity of some sort? If not, why would there not be regular updates on her condition, especially by the family? It just seems odd to me as an outsider. Now, the only rec.scuba celebrity I know is Lee Bell (okay, I'm just funning you) and if he came up from a dive with DCS, I just don't see people trying to cover up his condition due to his vast diving experience. Hell, I just received "The Last Dive" on my doorstep. Hell, would you cover up the condition of a wide receiver in the NFL if he did something stupid, like go over the middle, catch a pass, get flattened and hauled away on a stretcher? So, why would there be this mystery and the lack of information? Am I missing something here? > >> ljam wrote:> All I can ascertain is that something happened &she is > >> being cared [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > condition, especially by the family? It just seems odd to me as an > outsider. Kimber was a regular here, though its been awhile since she's posted. Evidently the family wants privacy, at least for now. > Now, the only rec.scuba celebrity I know is Lee Bell (okay, I'm just > funning you) and if he came up from a dive with DCS, I just don't see [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So, why would there be this mystery and the lack of information? Am I > missing something here? Dennis On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:15:10 -0500, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in rec.scuba: >Kimber was a regular here, though its been awhile since she's posted. >Evidently the family wants privacy, at least for now. Well, all they are doing is allowing a rumor mill to go into full production. They are acting like she came down with a case of full blown AIDS or Ebola. Hmmm, she wasn't diving in Africa, was she? > On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:15:10 -0500, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" > <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in rec.scuba: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > production. They are acting like she came down with a case of full > blown AIDS or Ebola. Hmmm, she wasn't diving in Africa, was she? Worse. She was diving off a Silverstein charter, hence the conspicuous lack of accurate information, which is really stupid, because it is all going to come out in the end anyway. http://www.tekdivegirl.org/ > > "Dennis \(Icarus\)" wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Well, all they are doing is allowing a rumor mill to go into full > > production. Yes, but simply not in public on SB. This means it will go PM and the rumor quality will get worse instead of better. > > They are acting like she came down with a case of full > > blown AIDS or Ebola. Hmmm, she wasn't diving in Africa, was she? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > accurate information, which is really stupid, because it is all going to > come out in the end anyway. For example, Scott had written: "Information I have is that she is in a coma, has been since surfacing unconcious." This is an interesting statement, since Joel's report claimed that she surfaced and informed the crew she was not feeling well - - which is kind of hard to do without being concious. Its hard not to begin to speculate when one is confronted with clearly opposing "facts". Similarly, "Multiple chamber rides"... Yet Joel said it was a "medical emergency", not a "dive emergency". Yet you don't go for a chamber ride for a heart attack...but you would go for a chamber ride for a DCS II CNS hit. > http://www.tekdivegirl.org/ Nice sentiment, although I'd expect that DAN Insurance would be paying the bulk. Ditto for carrier insurance if she was working as a DM onboarrd that charter...another little piece of missing information. -hh <snip> 2+2 = 4 in most situations. > Similarly, "Multiple chamber rides"... > > Yet Joel said it was a "medical emergency", not a "dive emergency". > Yet you don't go for a chamber ride for a heart attack...but you would > go for a chamber ride for a DCS II CNS hit. remember that she went for a few rides after her OW dives, just a few years ago too. > > http://www.tekdivegirl.org/ It would be nice to see an update saying even that her condition was slightly improved, or even not changed or (horrors) worse (if that's even possible.) Apparently we are to assume that no news = no change. * > > > "Dennis \(Icarus\)" wrote: > > > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > kind of hard to do without being concious. Its hard not to begin to > speculate when one is confronted with clearly opposing "facts". Such as "Not feeling well" and "Medivac" (i.e., helicoptor evacuation) Given that Silverstien labeled Steve Donathan a "consummate professional" last summer, I have to question anything he says. > Similarly, "Multiple chamber rides"... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the bulk. Ditto for carrier insurance if she was working as a DM > onboarrd that charter...another little piece of missing information. I seriously doubt she was working as a DM on that particular boat. > -hh > On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:15:10 -0500, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" > <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in rec.scuba: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > production. They are acting like she came down with a case of full > blown AIDS or Ebola. Hmmm, she wasn't diving in Africa, was she? Any diving accident with some operators who in the aftermath try to calm things down, especially under the seemingly fake premisses of not upsetting the family, gives me the red lights. Kind of like those reports of YBOD deaths caused by a heart condition. IMHO, there is something seriously wrong, and that guy is plotting a cover up. Matthias > IMHO, there is something seriously wrong, and that guy is > plotting a cover up We had the same nonsense from the same guy with last year's accident on his "expedition" to the Monitor. > We had the same nonsense from the same guy with last year's accident on > his "expedition" to the Monitor. Its the "Sadim" touch (that's "Midas" spelled backwards); Everything he touches turns to sh.t. here be this mystery and the lack of information? Am I > missing something here? as usual... > So, why would there be this mystery and the lack of information? Am I > missing something here? Of course you are. But you're such a stupid motherf..ker that you'll never know what you don't know. > Of course you are. But you're such a stupid motherf..ker that you'll > never know what you don't know. ALAN! Such course language! >> So, why would there be this mystery and the lack of information? Am I >> missing something here? > >Of course you are. But you're such a stupid motherf..ker that you'll >never know what you don't know. Quite frankly, it is most of you people that have proved yourself stupid motherf..kers. It is really a sad testament to the education received, not only in this country, but throughout most of the world. > Quite frankly, it is most of you people that have proved yourself > stupid motherf..kers. It is really a sad testament to the education > received, not only in this country, but throughout most of the world. What do you do for a living? >> Quite frankly, it is most of you people that have proved yourself >> stupid motherf..kers. It is really a sad testament to the education >> received, not only in this country, but throughout most of the world. > >What do you do for a living? I'm big brother. Actually, I'm in automation and IT, which begs of me to be big brother:-) > I'm big brother. Actually, I'm in automation and IT, which begs of me > to be big brother:-) Hilarious. Run and then post me. >> I'm big brother. Actually, I'm in automation and IT, which begs of me >> to be big brother:-) > >Hilarious. > >Run and then post me. ? You're making Popeye look bad. Is there anything on this planet that you have a leadership role in? > You're making Popeye look bad. Is there anything on this planet that > you have a leadership role in? Punking you, for starters. > Am I missing something here? Mostly, you're missing the history of conjecture, speculation and finger pointing that has gone on relative to almost every scuba accident since there were newsgroups to allow it all as well as the almost certainty that a substantial portion of the traffic is both uninformed and incorrect. That doesn't stop us from doing it over and over, but it's reason enough for someone to try. Kimber used to be an active member here. We talked with her, talked with her deceased husband and even went through his death with her. A lot of us know her. Some of us know her and her kids well. On behalf of the group, some of us even tried to provide some financial assistance when her husband died unexpectedly. As far as I know, Kimber is a competent diver, but she's not a diving celebrity. She's simply somebody a lot of people know. Few, if any, of us know Kimbers family. They have little or no reason to communicate anything with us. The requests to wait until the facts are in, however, are probably not coming directly from them. They're probably coming from friends who have seen how crazy discussions like this can get and, almost certainly, from those related to the operator she was using at the time, an operator that, along with any buddy she may have had at the time, will be the subject of a rather extensive investigation and who, fairly or not, will probably be blamed for some element of the accident by people who don't have much of a clue about the sport and who don't need the be helped in reaching bad conclusions by the kind of speculation that happens in forums like this one. Of course, none of this changes the fact that we're interested in her condition, in what happened to put her in that condition and in what we can do differently to ensure that the next thread like this isn't about another one of us. Lee >> Am I missing something here? > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >do differently to ensure that the next thread like this isn't about another >one of us. Nor does it change the fact that when regular updates aren't released, all sorts of rumors get started. I wonder who is meant by her family. Her children or her parents or perhaps her boyfriend or even an ex-husband. Apparently they are the reason given for lack of information. If it's her children, well, perhaps they are being advised by someone involved in the accident. Anywho, thanks for the info, Lee. >I wonder who is meant by her family. >Her children or her parents or perhaps her boyfriend or even an >ex-husband. Her eldest child is, I believe, 13. AFAIK 'family' principally means her mum, who is very much on the scene. Mike -- http://www.corestore.org 'As I walk along these shores I am the history within' > > Am I missing something here? > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Lee Good explanation, Lee. As for the competent diver part, I can't respond as I never saw her underwater. When she was at Gilboa doing her honeymoon dives, about a year of her chamber rides from her checkout dives, she had a new drysuit to learn. In 2 days she never managed to get below the surface with it, as far as I know. That was a few years ago, though. I'd like to learn from this, too, if we can. As an instructor and one who charters boats for groups of pleasure divers, I'm concerned about my liability should a diver be injured or become ill through no (apparent) fault of mine. Suppose someone with an undetected PFO hops on the boat and suffers an injury, for example? A friend out here recently gave up diving after learning he had one. Among the rest of us, 1 in 5 statistically has a PFO as well. I pray for a full recovery for Kimber. * > As for the competent diver part, I can't respond as I never saw her > underwater. She did some dives with us in Boynton. I wasn't watching particularly closely, but I saw no reason to worry. Then again, Boynton dives aren't the kind you'd use to separate the good, bad and ugly. > I'd like to learn from this, too, if we can. As an instructor and one > who charters boats for groups of pleasure divers, I'm concerned about > my liability should a diver be injured or become ill through no > (apparent) fault of mine. Silly diver. All diving accidents are the fault of the instructor, or the agency, or the operator, or some guy walking down the street. Lord help us, they certainly could not be the fault of the only person really in control of the dive, the diver him or herself. Hopefully, my sarcasm is clear enough that nobody thinks I believe that. I've never quite understood most of the liability problems we have in this industry. There are some basics that every instructor should teach every student. There aren't a lot of them and they're not particularly complex. Of course, there wouldn't be a lot of profit if that's all agencies offered, but nobody every promised all things would turn a tidy profit. If an instructor fails to provide the basics or fails to insure that the student understands them and can apply them consistently, the instructor and the agency that authorized them to sign certifications deserve to get their butt sued. Beyond that, you'd think someone would figure out a way to communicate that everything else is a matter of opinion, hopefully informed opinion, and that it's up to the certified diver, new or not, to figure out what to accept and what to reject. Somehow, the message that it's a diver's own responsibility to ensure they are safe on every dive and that any failure to do so is the diver's own fault and nobody else's, needs to be sent. In my mind, the issue of charters is easy too. You pay for a captain, crew and boat to do certain things. Normally, you expect a ride to and from a dive site and some form of briefing about the dive site. You expect the boat to be suitable for the diving and number of passengers, in good condition and properly equipped for the service being provided. You expect the captain and crew to be competent in their jobs and for there to be enough of them to do the job correctly. Beyond that, you're on your own. > Suppose someone with an undetected PFO hops on the boat and suffers an > injury, for example? How does that differ from any other physical or health issue. It's the diver's risk and responsibility. Lee > I'd like to learn from this, too, if we can. As an instructor and one > who charters boats for groups of pleasure divers, I'm concerned about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > recently gave up diving after learning he had one. Among the rest of > us, 1 in 5 statistically has a PFO as well. There are only two things you can get to protect yourself: good insurance and good waivers. The rest is up to God and the courts. While it may seem you're taking on a bigger risk than the average individual, you're really not. Many (most?) states will enforce well-drafted waivers and your insurance should provide counsel. Meanwhile average individuals are potentially subject to multimillion dollar lawsuits every time they drive their cars. > > I'd like to learn from this, too, if we can. As an instructor and one > > who charters boats for groups of pleasure divers, I'm concerned about [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > average individuals are potentially subject to multimillion dollar lawsuits > every time they drive their cars. I've heard discussions lately that a diver can sign away his own right to sue but cannot sign away any rights his surviving family might have to sue. I have insurance, and a great waiver as modified by my (diving - i trained him and his family) attorney. I know that anyone nearby during an incident is likely to be named and at least asked for a statement. Would you think it bad to board a dive boat as a paying customer on a vacation and not show an instructor or DM card? Understand that were there need to do so, I would act in accordance with my training to offer aid or support and pray that Good Samaritan laws will protect me. * > Would you think it bad to board a dive boat as a paying customer on a > vacation and not show an instructor or DM card? On our dive on the Spiegel Grove, I showed a 1969 NAUI card that said my certification level was SCUBA. Unless there's a good reason to shore more, why would it be bad not to shore more? > Understand that were there need to do so, I would act in accordance with > my training to > offer aid or support and pray that Good Samaritan laws will protect me. Unless you're a lot different than I think, you'd act to the best of your ability to offer aid or support in an emergency situation, regardless of the standards of your training. Lee > On our dive on the Spiegel Grove, I showed a 1969 NAUI card that said my > certification level was SCUBA. Unless there's a good reason to shore more, > why would it be bad not to shore more? For some reason, when she asked if I had a different card, she didn't like the one that I produced... Damn, they're picky... > > On our dive on the Spiegel Grove, I showed a 1969 NAUI card that said my > > certification level was SCUBA. Unless there's a good reason to shore more, > > why would it be bad not to shore more? > > For some reason, when she asked if I had a different card, she didn't > like the one that I produced... Damn, they're picky... Once upon a time, a long long time ago, at a well-known midwestern quarry where I had done quite a bit of diving and taken quite a few friends, family members, and students, I showed up for a demo-day thing to help out with UW tours. Upon entering the office, I was accosted by a woman who demanded to see my C-card. Brief pause. Where was it? Dash back to truck; inform husband that he will need to show his C-card. He promptly pulls it from his dive log, strolls on over to the office, and completes his admission paperwork. I rummage through my dive bag and manage to find a few cards, none of them my original C-card. I figure one of the tech instructor cards ought to do, trot them back into the office and present them the nice lady. "No, no, Dear," she said. "I can't use this kind of card. I need your C-CARD." * >> > On our dive on the Spiegel Grove, I showed a 1969 NAUI card that said my >> > certification level was SCUBA. Unless there's a good reason to shore more, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >ought to do, trot them back into the office and present them the nice >lady. beaurocracy... unable to grasp that to get an instructor you FIRST have to have the entry level cards... most likely tho there just wasn't a gap on the form to put tech or instructor cards... >"No, no, Dear," she said. "I can't use this kind of card. I need >your C-CARD." > >* > I rummage through my dive bag and manage to find a few cards, none of > them my original C-card. I figure one of the tech instructor cards [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "No, no, Dear," she said. "I can't use this kind of card. I need > your C-CARD." Now that right there's funny. All of Jayna and my cards are in the credit card slots of a single wallet. I scanned the front and back of every one of them and keep a copy in my dive log, a copy in my dive tool kit (which lives in my dive bag), a copy in each of the boats and, generally, a copy in my wallet when I'm traveling. Only once have I been denied the ability to dive because I failed to be able to prove I was certified, but once is enough. Not too long ago, one of my friends from another forum, was down here and left his cards at home. His wife scanned them and e-mailed them to me. I printed them out for him, retaining a copy on my computer. Now, any time he's anywhere in the world that he can access the internet, he can get a copy from me very quickly. Perhaps there's an idea in there somewhere. How many people would find it worth their while to send a scan file of their certification cards to a couple people in this forum who would agree to store the images and, when not too inconvenient, provide an e-mail copy on request? I say a couple just to cover such things as vacation, etc. Sound like a good idea to anyone? Lee > How many people would find it worth their while to send a scan file of > their certification cards to a couple people in this forum who would agree > to store the images and, when not too inconvenient, provide an e-mail copy > on request? I say a couple just to cover such things as vacation, etc. > Sound like a good idea to anyone? Chilly keeps all mine for me. > > How many people would find it worth their while to send a scan file of > > their certification cards to a couple people in this forum who would agree [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Chilly keeps all mine for me. Ya, but have you been nice enough to her to make her inclined to pass them on, if need be? > > I rummage through my dive bag and manage to find a few cards, none of > > them my original C-card. I figure one of the tech instructor cards [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > request? I say a couple just to cover such things as vacation, etc. Sound > like a good idea to anyone? I've been doing something similar for years. I have scanned copies of my c-card and the first page of my passport on a secure website. I've never had to use them, but they're there if I need them and can retrive them instantly from any internet connected computer in the world. > Lee > I've been doing something similar for years. I have scanned copies of > my c-card and the first page of my passport on a secure website. I've > never had to use them, but they're there if I need them and can retrieve > them instantly from any internet connected computer in the world. I got Cards in three places, copies on the laptop, and the Canadian Connection. > > I've been doing something similar for years. I have scanned copies of > > my c-card and the first page of my passport on a secure website. I've [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I got Cards in three places, copies on the laptop, and the Canadian > Connection. LOL, do you really think I've kept that big a.s file? You damn near crashed my computer. > How many people would find it worth their while to send a scan file of their > certification cards to a couple people in this forum who would agree to > store the images and, when not too inconvenient, provide an e-mail copy on > request? I say a couple just to cover such things as vacation, etc. Sound > like a good idea to anyone? > Lee Interesting idea. Another option would be to sign up for one of those internet storage deals (yahoo offers this) and store them on the internet for dowload at your leisure. > Interesting idea. Another option would be to sign up for one of those > internet storage deals (yahoo offers this) and store them on the internet > for dowload at your leisure. Or just put them on your web site, but don't have any other page linking to them... The only problem that I see is that perhaps the dive shop might have a problem with a non-original card... I suspect that it might depend upon who computer illiterate they were... It would be relatively easy to create an image of a card with someone else's name and photo on it or to modify the ratings on it... Of course, since there's no *legal* requirement to be certified, one could definitely argue that such actions aren't necessarily illegal... > > Interesting idea. Another option would be to sign up for one of those > > internet storage deals (yahoo offers this) and store them on the internet [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > course, since there's no *legal* requirement to be certified, one > could definitely argue that such actions aren't necessarily illegal... The time Janeen forgot her card we just called our instructor and had him fax a letter saying she was certified. It worked out fine. > > Interesting idea. Another option would be to sign up for one of those > > internet storage deals (yahoo offers this) and store them on the internet [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > course, since there's no *legal* requirement to be certified, one > could definitely argue that such actions aren't necessarily illegal... I'd put those docs in a separate file with a bot (?) so the search engines don't pick them up, either. * > Or just put them on your web site, but don't have any other page > linking to them... You have to have a website to put things on it. Whoever the hell it was that used to give me free space, took it back years ago and, so far, it's not been worth the effort to set up and keep up a new site. > The only problem that I see is that perhaps the > dive shop might have a problem with a non-original card... I suspect [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > course, since there's no *legal* requirement to be certified, one > could definitely argue that such actions aren't necessarily illegal... No plan is perfect, but most dive shops have the ability to contact certification agencies for confirmation if they feel the need to go that far. In fact, I don't know why they would bother. A copy of my copy is as good for them as a copy of my card if I'm not around to argue the point. If I am around, they don't need to worry about the card in the first place. Lee > Interesting idea. Another option would be to sign up for one of those > internet storage deals (yahoo offers this) and store them on the internet > for dowload at your leisure. Also sounds like a good idea. I was kind of thinking about security and having a person who cared look after your information and ensure that you had it when you needed it, but any storage large enough to hold a full size file, secure enough that you're sure you can get it when you want and accessible from pretty much anywhere on the globe would work as well. Lee > For some reason, when she asked if I had a different card, she didn't > like the one that I produced... Damn, they're picky... Well, did you really think a pilot's license was gonna buy as much "respect" as an AOW? ;-) Curtis > Well, did you really think a pilot's license was gonna buy as much > "respect" as an AOW? ;-) Well, she kept pestering me for something *else*... So I gave her something *else*... It cost a 'ell of a lot more and took a 'ell of a lot more time to get... Not that I would try to f.ck with someone's mind, right? <evil-grin> > > Would you think it bad to board a dive boat as a paying customer on a > > vacation and not show an instructor or DM card? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Lee Thank you. I truly hope I am that person. I hope we all, here, are that person. Group hug over. * >> > I'd like to learn from this, too, if we can. As an instructor and one >> > who charters boats for groups of pleasure divers, I'm concerned about [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >* I show whatever card the dive calls for. I would feel that it might be a bit presumptuous to whip out my instructors card. My identity need not be know until time of need. > I show whatever card the dive calls for. I would feel that it might be > a bit presumptuous to whip out my instructors card. My identity need > not be know until time of need. You get a card for diving? I want a plaque! > I've heard discussions lately that a diver can sign away his own right > to sue but cannot sign away any rights his surviving family might have > to sue. I've not heard of that in California, though each state treats waivers differently. > I have insurance, and a great waiver as modified by my (diving - i > trained him and his family) attorney. I know that anyone nearby during > an incident is likely to be named and at least asked for a statement. That's why it's always best to distance yourself from potentially problematic divers so you can honestly claim that you didn't see a thing. The better the viz, the broader the potential liability. > Would you think it bad to board a dive boat as a paying customer on a > vacation and not show an instructor or DM card? Understand that were > there need to do so, I would act in accordance with my training to > offer aid or support and pray that Good Samaritan laws will protect me. I would think it sensible not to show your DM or instructor card, unless you're trying to prove you might know what you're doing so the DM will leave you alone. You certainly wouldn't want to give anyone the idea that you're "volunteering" for any duty beyond taking care of yourself, leading to the situation where someone on the boat knowing you're an instructor might not realize you're off-duty and thereby expect you to save him. I usually just show my "SSI Specialty Diver" card that lists the nitrox specialty and that fact that I've completed at least 5 logged dives. My DM and instructor cards don't indicate nitrox certification so they're useless for most of the holiday diving I do. > I usually just show my "SSI Specialty Diver" card that lists the nitrox > specialty and that fact that I've completed at least 5 logged dives. My > DM and instructor cards don't indicate nitrox certification so they're > useless for most of the holiday diving I do. Interesting. I don't normally show my nitrox card unless I'm getting a fill and, even then, only if asked. Lee > > I usually just show my "SSI Specialty Diver" card that lists the nitrox > > specialty and that fact that I've completed at least 5 logged dives. My [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Interesting. I don't normally show my nitrox card unless I'm getting a fill > and, even then, only if asked. Most of the holiday diving I do is off boats that supply the tanks and air. Since I mostly dive nitrox, I mostly show my nitrox card. At home, I don't show any card on some boats. > I would think it sensible not to show your DM or instructor card, unless > you're trying to prove you might know what you're doing so the DM will leave [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > cards don't indicate nitrox certification so they're useless for most of the > holiday diving I do. I don't show anything unless asked - and that's not often. A shop here did ask the first time I went in for nitrox. When I book a charter as an instructor, I don't get asked at all. That's kinda scary. I can't remember ever having to get a DM off my back. If they want to schlep my stuff, bless 'em, they are certainly welcome to do so. Used to be I was all huffy about not carrying my own stuff, but hey not any more. You want a hernia from my doubles, you got it :-) So no, I don't show any card not needed to make the dives either - unless its all I can find. * "i'm much more than a princess but you don't have a name for it yet here on earth." On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:14:52 -0500, John Hanson wrote: > On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:41:39 -0700, "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> > wrote in rec.scuba: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > So, why would there be this mystery and the lack of information? Am I > missing something here? I am wondering why any stupid f.cking c.nt that would allow Popeye to stick his little peanut in her for health care is worth caring about. On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:14:52 -0500, John Hanson wrote: > On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:41:39 -0700, "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> > wrote in rec.scuba: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > So, why would there be this mystery and the lack of information? Am I > missing something here? I am wondering why any stupid f.cking c.nt that would allow Popeye to stick his little peanut in her for health care is worth caring about. Of more concern that what happened is - what is her condition? We know it's very critical. Does anyone have an update? What happened can and certainly must be dealt with later. Right now, I want to know how she is. She has 3 kids still at home, for gawds sake. I am thinking that when there is a change, it will be announced somewhere. * >Of more concern that what happened is - what is her condition? We know >it's very critical. Does anyone have an update? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I am thinking that when there is a change, it will be announced >somewhere. Probably here: http://www.tekdivegirl.org/ I can't believe this, after all that lass has been through... she stayed with us for a couple of weeks after her operation. Flaming Nora(1), why does this sh.t always seem to happen to those who least deserve it? (1) she always loves it when I say that! Mike -- http://www.corestore.org 'As I walk along these shores I am the history within' > Of more concern that what happened is - what is her condition? We know > it's very critical. Does anyone have an update? Everyone should e-mail or call Silverstein, personally. Scuba Training & Technology LLC Lake Havasu City , AZ 86406 Cell Phone: 928-486-5112 Email: joel@trimixdiver.com > What happened can and certainly must be dealt with later. Right now, I > want to know how she is. She has 3 kids still at home, for gawds sake. > I am thinking that when there is a change, it will be announced > somewhere. She is in big trouble, and that isnt going to change for the better anytime soon. |
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