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Scuba Forum / General / May 2006CPR/AED Course for Scuba
My local Health Club is giving a Certification course in CPR/AED (Automated External Defibrillator) under the auspices of the American Heart Association. I have read that certain Scuba Courses require CPR Certification. Will this course satisfy that requirement? Any comments will be appreciated. Thanks, Sy  SignaturePlease post and reply to sytech@yahoo.com > My local Health Club is giving a Certification course in CPR/AED > (Automated External Defibrillator) under the auspices of the American > Heart Association. Good plan. > I have read that certain Scuba Courses require CPR Certification. Will > this course satisfy that requirement? Yes. > Any comments will be appreciated. Take the courses. I have taken CPR a total of 4 times in the past 30 years and the methodology has evolved significantly. I had one opportunity to use the training, but it was a head-on car wreck, and there was just nothing that could be done for the kid. Post mortem it was discovered that the force of the crash had torn his aorta loose from his heart, so he never had a chance. The ME said that he would have likely died if the injury had occured in the hospital emergency room, let alone 1.5 hours from the nearest hospital. >> My local Health Club is giving a Certification course in CPR/AED >> (Automated External Defibrillator) under the auspices of the American [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > if the injury had occured in the hospital emergency room, let alone 1.5 > hours from the nearest hospital. Ooohhhhh that poor fuckin kid. Can you imagine layin on the side of the road about to die and seein some queer like Scotty gettin all excited about givin you CPR. His odds of survival went right down the sh.tter as soon as you showed up a.shole. I'd be willing to bet you did something wrong and killed him. Were you shitfaced? Some people just have bad luck...............poor kid ........RIP. > My local Health Club is giving a Certification course in CPR/AED > (Automated External Defibrillator) under the auspices of the American [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Sy Yes. Rescue diver and above requires first aid and CPR. Lower level courses do not require any first aid or CPR. It needs to have a first aid component, or it may not be accepted for rescue. I would take it no matter what. As a note, I just recertified in the Emergency First Responder, and we did both AED and O2. They weren't part of the course, but the instructor felt they were important. John > My local Health Club is giving a Certification course in CPR/AED > (Automated External Defibrillator) under the auspices of the American [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Sy What exactly does AED training amount to? It's my understanding that the devices are supposed to tell you what to do, both with a screen and also audibly. If they require training to use, then haven't the designers failed somewhat? > It needs to have a first aid component, or it may not be accepted for > rescue. I would take it no matter what. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >>Sy > What exactly does AED training amount to? It's my understanding that > the devices are supposed to tell you what to do, both with a screen and > also audibly. If they require training to use, then haven't the > designers failed somewhat? In most states it is a legal requirement to medical staff, that they have had training before they may use an AED. All others don't need be trained, legally. I see familiarization as the goal of the training, that you are not anxious to use it when it is there. But don't overestimate it. In a diving accident, the use of an AED almost always is beyond the critical time limit for its application. To make the best of your AED training as a diver, you should move into the vicinity of a home for the elderly, to Florida, or the Frankenstone farm. Matthias The familiarization was very helpful! > In a diving accident, the use of an AED almost always is > beyond the critical time limit for its application. Very true, unless it is on the boat, or on shore. The instructor who taught our course actually had one he took with hm. The reason he included it was the current proliferation of AED's. Believe it or not, the place with the most is Las Vegas. Too many excited older folks! > To make the best of your AED training as a diver, you should > move into the vicinity of a home for the elderly, to > Florida, or the Frankenstone farm. A friend of mine who is an instructor had a student go in to ventricular fibrillation due to an undiagnosed heart defect and die during a surface swim at Edmonds, WA about 10 years ago. Student was a 25-year old firefighter. Had an AED been available they might have been able to save him. John > > What exactly does AED training amount to? It's my understanding that > > the devices are supposed to tell you what to do, both with a screen and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Matthias Would they have had enough time to get him to shore, retrieve the AED from the parking lot, get him out of his wet suit and dry enough for the unit to work? > The familiarization was very helpful! > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >> >> Matthias >> In a diving accident, the use of an AED almost always is >> beyond the critical time limit for its application. > Would they have had enough time to get him to shore, > retrieve the AED from the parking lot, get him out of his wet > suit and dry enough for the unit to work? Why would you have to get him to shore or the parking lot? Personally, I'd not like to administer significant voltage, even at low amperage, that was wet, in a puddle, while I was wet and in the same puddle, but someone who is dry, a Florida DM, for example, should be able to transfer the victim to a dry spot forward and administer the treatment while still on the boat. Lee Well obviously if it were a boat dive then the issue would be getting the diver aboard the boat. The post referenced a long surface swim I presumed a shore dive. >>> In a diving accident, the use of an AED almost always is >>> beyond the critical time limit for its application. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Lee >>>In a diving accident, the use of an AED almost always is >>>beyond the critical time limit for its application. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Lee According to a student in my CPR/AED class, the AEDs are programmed not to work in a wet environment. The generally available AEDs work on only one kind of defibrulation and automatically check before shocking. Hospitals (an hospital tv shows) have a different kind. And yest they are designed to be very easy to use, but a little training will give you more confidence where to place the paddles. > but a little training >will give you more confidence where to place the paddles. hmm.... if an a.shole is pissing you off, what happens if we knock him down and place the paddles on his balls... I wouldn't mind lookign up a few bloodyminded dickheads with an AED :D >> but a little training >> will give you more confidence where to place the paddles. > > hmm.... if an a.shole is pissing you off, what happens if we knock him > down and place the paddles on his balls... I wouldn't mind lookign up > a few bloodyminded dickheads with an AED :D that might be the ultimate erectile remedy! :) one way or the other... > Would they have had enough time to get him to shore, retrieve the AED from > the parking lot, get him out of his wet suit and dry enough for the unit to > work? No. This is a case for conventional CPR. If there is some successs, AED may help in the background.. Matthias >>The familiarization was very helpful! >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>> >>>Matthias Go for it... and as much as you can get out of it, better to have it and not need it, than the other way round. Oh folks, my Wife is a certified Firefighter/ First Responder and her micro-brains contains more than my entire EFR course notes :-(... her actual workbook is humungous. Oh she is a nurse too. Regards Rob >My local Health Club is giving a Certification course in CPR/AED >(Automated External Defibrillator) under the auspices of the American [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Sy Vulcan Bomber (101 Squadron) |
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