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Charles Basenga Kiyanda - 06 May 2006 21:53 GMT
There's a new scuba diving website that was launched.

http://www.wikiscuba.com

It's a wiki, which means anyone can modify pages on the site. It uses the
same software as wikipedia, wikitravel and many other wikis around.

There's not much there yet, but if enough people participate in the
project, it has the potential to become something very interesting.

While there are numerous scuba diving website around, the fact that this
one uses the wiki technology makes it quite interesting.

Charles
Christophe - 09 May 2006 11:29 GMT
> There's a new scuba diving website that was launched.
>
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> Charles

That's a great idea, but why not improve existing Wikipedia and
Wikitravel with specific scuba portals, pages and categories?

There is also great dive site atlases over the Internet, such as
http://www.wannadive.net, http://www.sportextremes.com, etc. maybe it's
better to improve them rather than creating another website?

Regards,

Christophe
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Charles Basenga Kiyanda - 09 May 2006 15:54 GMT
>> There's a new scuba diving website that was launched.
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> That's a great idea, but why not improve existing Wikipedia and
> Wikitravel with specific scuba portals, pages and categories?

I looked into that and my understanding was that the people in the
wikipedia and wikitravel communities do not want to have overwhelmingly
detailed and specific information. This is not a criticism of these two
sites, I think such a policy serves their cause. The rationale for
Wikipedia was that having too much detailed information would deter its
use as a general purpose encyclopedia. I guess the argument is:

You wouldn't open the Encyclopedia Brittanica to learn how to dive or what
the maximum depth on the Wolfe Islander Wreck is. What you would do is
open the encyclopedia Brittanica after you've heard someone talk about
scuba diving and you want to learn more. You'll get a general feel and
then the encyclopedia will say "Go see this other book".

A similar argument would go for the wikitravel site. The Michelin travel
guide doesn't try to list every single dive site in the world.

Your suggestion of the use of portals is interesting. I had a discussion
with some of the members on the wikitravel site about the usefullness of a
separate wiki. I guess the options are to either make a semi "wiki in a
wiki" using portals or create an entirely different wiki (as we've done)
and later on add integration features (interwiki links and so on) between
wikiscuba and wikipedia and wikitravel. I guess both could be done. I feel
an entirely separate wiki gives more flexibility. One idea I've been
dreaming of was to have a small database for each dive site so that users
could enter some information (let's say date and time of dive, bottome
temperature, surface temperature) and the wiki page would be automatically
complemented with a graph of bottom temperature vs. the time of year and
so on. Such a feature would be useless to most people on wikipedia or
wikitravel, but could potentially be quite useful on wikiscuba.
(Unfortunately, I'm not good enough at this to make such a thing and I
haven't found a programmer crazy enough to try to do this, yet! Anyone
interested?)

> There is also great dive site atlases over the Internet, such as
> http://www.wannadive.net, http://www.sportextremes.com, etc. maybe it's
> better to improve them rather than creating another website?

I know there are good dive sites out there. I see two advantages of wikis.
One is that if information is inaccurate or lacking, users can add it
directly and automatically, without having to send it in to an "editorial
board" or something similar, which 1) delays the process and 2) makes it
difficult to update someone else's information. It's probably quite simple
for someone running a website to post verbatim a new review that's been
sent in, it's probably much more trouble to make editorial edits to stuff
that's already there. I could imagine someone sending a message saying
"This article is pretty long, could you split it in 2 and then add this
information to the first part and that bit to the second part..." This is
something that users can do directly on a wiki.

I've never actually contributed to the traditional websites, so I may be
overemphasizing these problems. This was the answer I gave to myself when
I asked: "What would be a better way to do this?"

The problem I think we are faced with right now in starting this wiki is
that there isn't a single comprehensive publicly available source of all
dive sites in the world (which is to be expected). I think when the people
of wikitravel started, they created an article for every country from the
CIA world factbook, which is in the public domain. That gave a good
backbone to start on.

Regards,

Charles

> Regards,
>
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> biology
> Web : http://www.sealifecenter.com
Charles Basenga Kiyanda - 09 May 2006 15:59 GMT
>>> There's a new scuba diving website that was launched.
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>> biology
>> Web : http://www.sealifecenter.com

I should really correct myself. I hadn't seen wannadive.net yet. I wrote
the last post and then looked it up. It's a great site. I think it's as
close as can be to a wiki. Users are allowed to modify information if they
think it's incorrect and so on. The only difference is that they have an
imposed structure on the pages. I saw you can click options to change
things, which limits you in how you can modify a particular page. In that
respect, I think the wiki still wins. Is that a significant enough
advantage? I don't know. But starting the project in itself was fun
enough. We'll see where that goes and whether it picks up.

Regards,

Charles
Christophe - 10 May 2006 15:33 GMT
Hi there,

> I should really correct myself. I hadn't seen wannadive.net yet. I wrote
> the last post and then looked it up. It's a great site. I think it's as
> close as can be to a wiki.

New entries are moderated but when you are a regular contributor (as I
am), you get privileges to bypass moderation. Then Wannadave is very
similar as a wiki + plus all the geographical functions (GPS, Automatic
maps, etc)... and I've heard about a geographical tidal functionality...

 Users are allowed to modify information if they
> think it's incorrect and so on. The only difference is that they have an
> imposed structure on the pages. I saw you can click options to change
> things, which limits you in how you can modify a particular page.

That's true. But it is really faster than writing from a blank page, and
usually you set more information by doing this. If something is missing,
the description text area is there to add more stuffs...

In that
> respect, I think the wiki still wins. Is that a significant enough
> advantage? I don't know. But starting the project in itself was fun
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>
> Charles

I think both ideas are interesting. I look further to see what new
interesting stuffs will be on both websites. I guess Wannadive will
improve all the GPS stuffs, and will be closer to divers (i mean
personal information). But it's just a guess...

Best regards,

Christophe

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Sealifecenter.com / Welcome to the Fish World
Underwater photography and biology
Web : http://www.sealifecenter.com
Charles Basenga Kiyanda - 10 May 2006 18:05 GMT

> New entries are moderated but when you are a regular contributor (as I
> am), you get privileges to bypass moderation. Then Wannadave is very
> similar as a wiki + plus all the geographical functions (GPS, Automatic
> maps, etc)... and I've heard about a geographical tidal functionality...

> I think both ideas are interesting. I look further to see what new
> interesting stuffs will be on both websites. I guess Wannadive will
> improve all the GPS stuffs, and will be closer to divers (i mean
> personal information). But it's just a guess...

I'm not sure what you mean by "closer to divers (i mean personal
information)". I have to admit that your posting here (along with ideas
from a user on wikiscuba) has gotten me researching new ideas. There's an
extension that can be added to the wiki software to make it display google
maps. This will probably end up being quite similar to the stuff on
wannadive. I don't know if it will give the wiki the edge to convince you
(tongue in cheek, I'm teasing you a bit here, not trying to be
disrespectful), but it sure will be a nice addition.

>   Users are allowed to modify information if they
>> think it's incorrect and so on. The only difference is that they have an
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> usually you set more information by doing this. If something is missing,
> the description text area is there to add more stuffs...

You have a point that creating the page the first time around is probably
faster on wannadive. I feel the added flexibility of the wiki makes it a
more interesting medium. The design of a single page can be modified
independently of the other to suit the need of information there. Also,
the hierarchy can easily be modified. The page links also means that
information can be placed in context. If a cave diving site, for example,
requires a very special technique, a link can be made to an article
describing that particular technique. In my opinion, such advantages
outweigh the initial cost of the article creation. It probably makes for a
slower start when the wiki is created, but possibly a larger volume of
modifications/updates/additions once a certain backbone is there.

I feel there is one last issue with the wannadive site, and it is the
issue of licensing. If I'm not mistaken, all the content of the website is
fully licensed to the owners of the site. This means that creating
derivative works from the content of wannadive.net might be arduous or
impossible. (This is my understanding, I have not fully researched the
licensing options on that site.) One key point of Wikiscuba is that it is
"copyleft". It uses a licensing scheme from creative commons. Basically,
it means that all derivative works and use of the content are allowed, but
the final work (whether a modification, a derivative or a copy) must
withhold the same rights. So the information is free to use and distribute
by anybody, but anything you make with it must also be free to use and
distribute. In that way, a dive shop finding a good article on wikiscuba
could simply print it out and use it as a flyer, for example. I'm not sure
it this would be possible with information on the wannadive site. Maybe
mnodifying the licensing options on that site would be possible.

Regards,

Charles
 
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