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Scuba Forum / General / April 2006- So I buy this Parachute on Ebay and it rips to
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - So I buy this Parachute on Ebay, and it rips to sh.t . . Buy your own Dive Equipment Buy if from a full service Dive shop get it maintained Annually - Buy your own Dive equipment You just cant get Air Fills on Ebay.. So I buy this Parachute on Ebay, jump out of the plane and itall rips to sh.t . . Buy your own Dive Equipment > Buy your own Dive Equipment > Buy if from a full service Dive shop > get it maintained Annually Worthless schill. >>Buy your own Dive Equipment >>Buy if from a full service Dive shop >>get it maintained Annually > > Worthless schill. Yup ... he is working for me ... I sell air on ebay! ;-)  SignatureRay Contreras =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Webmonkey for: http://www.ossystems.com http://www.bobs-garage.com http://www.clanwolverine.org http://www.rayzplace.com I am a HUGE Ebay fan for many things... just not dive gear or parachutes You can't take a class on Ebay You can't get gear fixed or maintained on Ebay You can't get local knowledge on Ebay You can't book a boat on Ebay I thought you couldn't get air fills on Ebay but dweeb(ray) sells them (BTW...I need a price on the RS-232 to DIN converter...I have the Firewire to Yoke converter but that is filling my tanks to fast....) Buy Local.... if you don't have a local shop, buy your gear in Florida next time you come down. BTW.... I am NOT in the dive business but I do have 5 certified divers in my house and I buy 1000s a year in gear... all from Undersea Sports in Fort Lauderdale. >>> Buy your own Dive Equipment >>> Buy if from a full service Dive shop [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ;-) > I am a HUGE Ebay fan for many things... just not dive gear or parachutes > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > in my house and I buy 1000s a year in gear... all from Undersea Sports > in Fort Lauderdale. OK, that was almost funny. You have my sympathy, living in that armpit known as Ft. Lauderdale and all... What else you got? I just purchased a set of doubles via E-Bay......The seller was a Dive Shop that is local to You. Maybe you should tell them they can't sell on E-Bay! My local dive shop has no problem servicing any equipment I bring in. I have purchased mush of my gear via E-bay, had it serviced and dove it with out hesitation. If your dive shop is unwilling to do the same try another shop. John >I am a HUGE Ebay fan for many things... just not dive gear or parachutes > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> ;-) Yes they will all service Ebay purchased products BUT... if people quit buying from the local shops then they will cease to exist... hence the comment on getting air from Ebay. Most shops lose money on the entry level classes (market dictates this), make a little on air fills (After compresser maint and insurance) and they make their money on gear sales. > I just purchased a set of doubles via E-Bay......The seller was a Dive Shop > that is local to You. Maybe you should tell them they can't sell on E-Bay! [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>> >>>;-) > Yes they will all service Ebay purchased products BUT... if people quit > buying from the local shops then they will cease to exist... hence the > comment on getting air from Ebay. Most shops lose money on the entry > level classes (market dictates this), make a little on air fills (After > compresser maint and insurance) and they make their money on gear sales. Yet another anti-e-commerce luddite who fails to grasp asic economics. My advice is, don't open a shop; you wouldn't last a year. News flash - the internet has been around for over a decade, and here is no shortage of dive shops. Most of the internet vendors are also brick and mortar dive shops. Being in business is the art of adapting to change, and the money goes to the guy who can offer value. A large part of the personal service, advice, yada yada yada, that brick and mortar stores offer is only of value to idiots. People who don't need that, because they know how to do research and know what they want, shouldn't have to pay for it. Now, if your from the learned helplessness crowd, and can't attach an SPG to your first stage, you have no business shopping for dive equipment online, and the dive shop is perfectly entitled to charge for this, probably more than you saved by getting it online. However, the dive shop that survives on that level of service is ethically problematic, because people of such low capability have no more business diving than they do buying online. Our retail system is FAR too dependent on the business of wiping helpless customers' behinds for society's own good. In an industry like diving, for a whole level of the supply chain to predicate its business model on consumer incompetence is unconscionable. > Yes they will all service Ebay purchased products BUT... if people quit > buying from the local shops then they will cease to exist... hence the > comment on getting air from Ebay. Most shops lose money on the entry > level classes (market dictates this), make a little on air fills (After > compresser maint and insurance) and they make their money on gear sales. That's the oldest saw in the biz. People who have been diving for more than a few days go to dive shops for expediency and the social aspect, no more, no less. Compressors are cheap, hydro's and visuals are available to anyone with access to a fire extinguisher maintenance shop (how many dive shops have a hydro facility out back?), anyone can buy anything on the internet. Fact is that there are too many poor and mediocre dive shops. > > Yes they will all service Ebay purchased products BUT... if people quit > > buying from the local shops then they will cease to exist... hence the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > access to a fire extinguisher maintenance shop (how many dive shops have a > hydro facility out back?), anyone can buy anything on the internet. Unless a proper fit is required. > Fact is that there are too many poor and mediocre dive shops. >> > Yes they will all service Ebay purchased products BUT... if people quit >> > buying from the local shops then they will cease to exist... hence the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Unless a proper fit is required. I bought my last bc on ebay. It fits perfectly, go figure. They publish sizes/ how to measure online too, woohoo! I'm very good friends with my local shop owner, think he cares??? Guess again. LD. LD. > - Buy your own Dive equipment > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Buy your own Dive Equipment I work at a local dive shop and we take care of all the people who thought they were getting a deal on ebay and found out they have some ill fitting junk. So they ended up paying twice for their gear. Not such a deal. If you want proper fitting equipment go to your local shop. Jay > If you want proper fitting equipment go to your local shop. Or just know enough to be able to buy on eBay... A backplate and wing is pretty much a universal fit device... If you're very large, it's cheap to replace the harness with a longer one since it's just a weight belt strap... Masks on the other hand tend to be a bit more difficult to order without having physical access to one to be able to try on... > > If you want proper fitting equipment go to your local shop. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Masks on the other hand tend to be a bit more difficult to order without > having physical access to one to be able to try on... The really funny thing is that the two masks I've purchased that actually *almost* fit me properly were both ordered online. Nothing else I've tried on has even come close. Of course, I've got a pretty big head (I wear an 8 1/2 hat) and the problem is finding a mask with a skirt that extends far enough back that water doesn't leak near the eyes. The two I've found that accomplish that task the best are the Tusa Visualator (my favorite) and I believe that the other was the Genesis Icon. They don't sell the Icon any more, which is fine by me because it means that I got to find the Visualator which has a much better field of vision (the Icon was basically a pair of goggles with a skirt). My wife uses a mask we got out of a "dive set" at K-Mart. The set costs $12.50 and we threw away the snorkel. It fits her better than anything we could find in our local dive shops. >> > If you want proper fitting equipment go to your local shop. >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > $12.50 and we threw away the snorkel. It fits her better than anything we > could find in our local dive shops. You should have kept the snorkel too. Lee <snip> > You should have kept the snorkel too. This particular snorkel wasn't worth the space it would have taken in our gear closet. We have other snorkel's that we keep (and even use occasionally). > > replace the harness with a longer one since it's just a weight belt > strap... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > *almost* fit me properly were both ordered online. Nothing else I've tried > on has even come close. I know what kind of mask I want now (ie: the one I wear, which is just like my first one). So, if I need another mask, I shouldn't have to go to the dive shop to get it. That said, the last time I looked into this, I had the exchange rate, shipping fees, customs, etc, etc., blah, blah, blah . . so in the end, it was just easier and possibly even less expensive to head on over to the dive shop that sells that brand. (snip) > I know what kind of mask I want now (ie: the one I wear, which is just > like [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > dive > shop that sells that brand. You'd think that if Canada were a real country, they would have their own online vendors, or even manufacture their own dive gear. > You'd think that if Canada were a real country, they would have their own > online vendors, or even manufacture their own dive gear. Real countries have nuclear weapons and do not depict living people on their money. Making their own dive gear is just a fringe benefit. > > You'd think that if Canada were a real country, they would have their own > > online vendors, or even manufacture their own dive gear. > > Real countries have nuclear weapons and do not depict living people on > their money. I'm sure the citizens of France appreciate your acknowledgement of their "realness: ;-) > Making their own dive gear is just a fringe benefit. > I'm sure the citizens of France appreciate your acknowledgement of > their "realness: ;-) A real country is no guarantee of any other redeeming qualities. > > I'm sure the citizens of France appreciate your acknowledgement of > > their "realness: ;-) > > A real country is no guarantee of any other redeeming qualities. Very true. Very true :-) > I work at a local dive shop and we take care of all the people who thought > they were getting a deal on ebay and found out they have some ill fitting > junk. Fine, then e-commerce isn't quite the menace to your economic survival it's been made out to be. > So they ended up paying twice for their gear. Not such a deal. As they should - they were idiots who sought a deal they were not qualified to make. Those who need a certain level of service should be prepared to pay for it, but those who do not need it should not be forced to subsidize it for those who do. > If you want proper fitting equipment go to your local shop. Or use your brain and learn about equipment and how to use a tape measure. A properly trained diver knows how to evaluate and select appropriate, well fitting equipment, without asistance. These people who don't know how - did you train them? Is there a component of your business plan you aren't mentioning? > > I work at a local dive shop and we take care of all the people who thought > > they were getting a deal on ebay and found out they have some ill fitting [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > If you want proper fitting equipment go to your local shop. Agree.. have you checked out the bargain Internet site with the Local BBB...? If some grey market junk fails at depth, You are Screwed.. ( Nah.. Always happens to someone else, Right ? ) > If some grey market junk fails at depth, > You are Screwed.. > > ( Nah.. Always happens to someone else, Right ? ) It doesn't happen, period. And why would a Apex regulator or Sunnto computer bought from Leisure Pro be more likely to fail underwater than the -exact same- gear purchased at the LDS for 40% more? > > If some grey market junk fails at depth, > > You are Screwed.. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > be more likely to fail underwater than the -exact same- gear purchased at > the LDS for 40% more? No fair! You're using logic! >> > If some grey market junk fails at depth, >> > You are Screwed.. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No fair! You're using logic! I lernt it from ewe. Signature"The fishermen know that the sea is dangerous and the storms terrible, but they have never found these dangers sufficient reason for remaining ashore." - Vincent van Gogh www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>> If some grey market junk fails at depth, >>>> You are Screwed.. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I lernt it from ewe. you'll make him feel sheepish... > > > I work at a local dive shop and we take care of all the people who thought > > > they were getting a deal on ebay and found out they have some ill fitting [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > If some grey market junk fails at depth, > You are Screwed.. Please tell me why gray market is junk. > ( Nah.. Always happens to someone else, Right ? ) Gray market is junk because he just spent thousands at a LDS. It will be GOLD when he wants to sell it to up grade in a year or so! > ? dweeb wrote: > ? [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > ? ( Nah.. Always happens to someone else, Right ? ) > ? <snip> > If some grey market junk fails at depth, > You are Screwed.. Luckily, if you bought it white market and it fails you'll be fine. > If some grey market junk fails at depth, > You are Screwed.. Because we all know that Sunnto has one factory where they make the stuff for the LDS, and a secret one subletting space from a trailer park meth lab where trained chimps assemble the gray market stuff from paper clips and ear wax. See, we don't have to worry about the LDS being around to fill our tanks. PADI has guaranteed the diving industry a never ending supply of dumb suckers who will sustain the LDS buying overpriced sunscreen, t-shirts proclaiming how adventurous they are when they're intimidated by having to clear their mask, and 10 dollar bottle openers in the shape of sharks. We tolerate idiots because somebody has to pay retail. Real divers buy their gear from dead people. >> - Buy your own Dive equipment >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > So they ended up paying twice for their gear. Not such a deal. In a lot of shops, you pay twice for the gear up front. Not to mention the limited selection, and required misdirection of the average dive shop employee. You can't sell what you don't stock. > If you want proper fitting equipment go to your local shop. It's an assumed responsibility. If you can't fit yourself, you -do- need to go to a local shop. Speaking as the ex-employee of two rather advanced and well stocked shops, as well as a regular internet shopper. Signature"The fishermen know that the sea is dangerous and the storms terrible, but they have never found these dangers sufficient reason for remaining ashore." - Vincent van Gogh www.finalprotectivefire.com > In a lot of shops, you pay twice for the gear up front. > > Not to mention the limited selection, and required misdirection of the > average dive shop employee. Exactly - internet sellers don't offer training, so they don't have certain Amway-wannabe agencies actually training them in such misdirection. > It's an assumed responsibility. > > If you can't fit yourself, you -do- need to go to a local shop. Precisely - for starters, it's a good sign you need more or better training, which they may be able to provide > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Buy your own Dive Equipment I live 100 miles from the ocean. It's hard to get back to the LDS to fill my tanks during the surface interval...or even during lunch. |
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