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Scuba Forum / General / February 2006Sudafed?
I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders please? >I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders please? You might as well ask what everybody's favorite ice cream is. For me: Sinex -Ultrafine- Nasal Mist. Nothing else. > >I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders please? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Nothing else. Onmy second trip to Cayman, I was recovering from bronchitis, which helped hme find out that compressed air is a wonderful decongestant, based on the contents of my mask after surfacing. I don't recommend it. Dennis >I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders please? I've seen many use Afrin, but anything you can snort will help. I had to use Afrin once and it helped me. > >I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders please? > > I've seen many use Afrin, but anything you can snort will help. I had to > use Afrin once and it helped me. I use Sudafed 12 hour, take it at least 1/2 hour before diving. >> >I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders > please? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I use Sudafed 12 hour, take it at least 1/2 hour before diving. Afrin causes the "rebound effect", making it necessary to continue to use the stuff the remainder of your dive trip. Sudafed raises blood pressure and subjects one to nasty reverse blocks if it wears off while you're still underwater. I use both if I need to use anything. You can also try Murray Grossan's enzyme pills and Trader Joe's sells a chewable pineapple/papaya enzyme which is a nice placebo at least since they taste good. The idea here is that the enzyme will help break down mucus, though the Chair of the Biomedical Dept. of Stanford Medical School scoffed at the idea of an oral enzyme being able to break down ear mucus when I suggested the idea during my illfated tsunami liveaboard trip. Enzymes are broken down by stomach acids, of course. Murray should know better since he's a doctor. However, the idea is sound. Perhaps Schmoe could put a chunk of papaya or pour pineapple juice directly into his ear canal. If that works, please let us know. Also it's rumored that milk products create mucus and thereby worsen congestion. I used to avoid pre-dive cheeseburgers for that reason, but I like cheeseburgers too much. I suppose you could get your cheeseburger with a slice of pineapple like they do it in Hawaii. Yum. Eat the burger and stick the pineapple in your ear. >>>>I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and subjects one to nasty reverse blocks if it wears off while you're still > underwater. I use both if I need to use anything. One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in some places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign for it with the pharmacist. No prescription was needed but she did have to do the paperwork. Sudafed can be used in the manufacture of methamphetamine and in Virginia, the sale has restrictions on it. >>>>> I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Sudafed can be used in the manufacture of methamphetamine and in > Virginia, the sale has restrictions on it. Many states re (or have) enacted this. Anything with Psedophedrine (sp?) gets logged to make sure you aren't buying thousands to make meth.  SignatureThe Universe is utterly indifferent to the fact that you do not realize the consequences of your actions ________________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >>>>>> I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders >>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Many states re (or have) enacted this. Anything with Psedophedrine (sp?) > gets logged to make sure you aren't buying thousands to make meth. I don't have a problem with this practice either. A very minor inconvenience to help curb a very nasty problem. Just heard on the news last week that 9 meth labs had been closed down in Virginia since the control took place, vs 30 that had covered the same period of time. > I don't have a problem with this practice either. A very minor > inconvenience to help curb a very nasty problem. Just heard on the news > last week that 9 meth labs had been closed down in Virginia since the > control took place, vs 30 that had covered the same period of time. They enacted it out here as well, but it hasn't had much impact. In our area anyway, I think the situation was already in decline, having peaked a couple years ago. In other places, it is just ramping up. Mom and pop labs are still getting attention, but not so many of them any more. The bummer is that there are several fairly well to do Mexican cartels that are picking up the slack, and with that comes a whole other criminal element. >>I don't have a problem with this practice either. A very minor >>inconvenience to help curb a very nasty problem. Just heard on the news [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > are picking up the slack, and with that comes a whole other criminal > element. Meth is some VERY bad stuff. Been to some schools on it. I remember they showed us some pictures of a female who had long term exposure to it. These were apparently arrest pictures taken at about 1 year intervals. The first, she appeared to be in her early 20's, and very attractive. The last one, ten years (or so) later, she looked like she was in her 70's or 80's. >>>I don't have a problem with this practice either. A very minor >>>inconvenience to help curb a very nasty problem. Just heard on the news [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >attractive. The last one, ten years (or so) later, she looked like she >was in her 70's or 80's. I lost two friend to it in college. One OD'ed, the other took a twelve gauge in the chest during a ripoff. Signaturedillon Could have been is in the past Could be is in the future There is only the now >>>>>>> I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > last week that 9 meth labs had been closed down in Virginia since the > control took place, vs 30 that had covered the same period of time. Nor do I. As long as I can buy what I need, I really don't care if you take my name or not. I do worry about a precedent being set, but not that much... SignatureThe Universe is utterly indifferent to the fact that you do not realize the consequences of your actions ________________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 > One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in some > places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign for it with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Sudafed can be used in the manufacture of methamphetamine and in Virginia, > the sale has restrictions on it. Same deal with Sudafed in North Carolina - I stocked up on twelve boxes in October before the law went into affect. If I don't use it all this year, I may turn it into - what's that stuff - meth? Geez - you reckon we got enough stoopid laws? >>One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in some >>places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign for it with [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Geez - you reckon we got enough stoopid laws? I think we have plenty of stupid laws. I have also seen the effects of meth on the user and his/her families. I think it is pretty silly to control meth in this manner, but if it is that easy to make a difference with the meth labs the little inconvenience doesn't affect me much. I live in an area where farming is prevalent and part of the ingredient to make meth also. We have had to become quite diligent in protecting those chemicals and watching for those who try to steal the contents of the tanks >>> One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in some >>> places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign for it [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > those chemicals and watching for those who try to steal the contents of > the tanks You gotta be kidding. Anhydrous ammonia tanks are left in fields overnight all through Indiana and Illinois (and probably other states). Where is the security? You can't watch several thousand tanks in a county that has hundreds of square miles all night. We had guys at my motel that stole over a hundred gallons in a night last year. Of course, I dropped dime on them, and they got tracked back to the lab, which was shut down. If only I could get a cash reward for those calls.... SignatureThe Universe is utterly indifferent to the fact that you do not realize the consequences of your actions ________________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 > You gotta be kidding. Anhydrous ammonia tanks are left in fields > overnight all through Indiana and Illinois (and probably other states). [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Of course, I dropped dime on them, and they got tracked back to the lab, > which was shut down. If only I could get a cash reward for those calls.... Dont despair, at least three members of the Bar got paid. >>>> One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in >>>> some places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Of course, I dropped dime on them, and they got tracked back to the lab, > which was shut down. If only I could get a cash reward for those calls.... Actually where there are left in my fields are somewhat secured the farmer that farms our land leaves them very near to where I finish mowing. My dogs help warn us of anyone approaching (not fool proof) it would be nearly impossible for a car or truck to approach. I'm not disputing what you have noted - it is damn impossible to watch the tanks. Many have started to use a dye to make the anhydrous ammonia unsuitable to use. The tanks behind ny house are not dye treated. My initial point was that we (as in my family and neighbors have become more diligent in watching the tanks and property. We have a new high school built nearby, our once rural roads have become quite busy and easier targets for the criminal element >>>> One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in >>>> some places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Of course, I dropped dime on them, and they got tracked back to the lab, > which was shut down. If only I could get a cash reward for those calls.... My point was that we as in my family and neighbors have become more diligent in watching the tanks and other property. Recently a new high school was built nearby. Our once lightly traveled rural roads have become quite busy and that includes those of criminal intent. Your post however is right on - it is impossible to watch where theft would not happen >>>> One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in >>>> some places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Of course, I dropped dime on them, and they got tracked back to the lab, > which was shut down. If only I could get a cash reward for those calls.... If we ever meet in person, I will gladly buy you a beer. Sorry but its the best I can do. >>>>> One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in >>>>> some places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > If we ever meet in person, I will gladly buy you a beer. Sorry but its > the best I can do. FOr doing what is right? I'll gladly drink your beer, but no need for rewarding me for calling in meth makers. SignatureThe Universe is utterly indifferent to the fact that you do not realize the consequences of your actions ________________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >>>>>> One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in >>>>>> some places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > FOr doing what is right? I'll gladly drink your beer, but no need for > rewarding me for calling in meth makers. Just trying to make up for the cash reward you missed out on..... That notwithstanding though...the beer offer still stands. >>>>>>> One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in >>>>>>> some places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Just trying to make up for the cash reward you missed out on..... > That notwithstanding though...the beer offer still stands. Perhaps I can take you up on that some day.... Where are you? And if I could have 10% of the "Street Value" of the stuff I have helped get of the street in the last 5 years, I could retire... SignatureThe Universe is utterly indifferent to the fact that you do not realize the consequences of your actions ________________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >>>>>>>> One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in >>>>>>>> some places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Where are you? Virginia. Aside from a few quarries in VA and NC, I dive Morehead City NC, Va. Beach, VA, and head to Fla on occasions. > And if I could have 10% of the "Street Value" of the stuff I have helped > get of the street in the last 5 years, I could retire... I salute you,. >>>>>>>>> One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get >>>>>>>>> in some places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >> > I salute you,. Seriously, It's not like I go looking for them. Usually, they check in to the motel, and stay long enough that I catch their pattern. One phone call is all it takes. Local state and county LEO knows me well by sight and by voice. Once they got a search warrant because my record of good calls was enough to convince the judge that there was probable cause. Hell, I had one guy who I asked to leave (pot only). He refused. I told him I'd call the cops...He said "f.ck you, go ahead". So I did..... $10k+ in cash, and over a pound in quarters... Fool. He could have walked away. I don't let dealers use my motel as a base. Not if I can see it. SignatureThe Universe is utterly indifferent to the fact that you do not realize the consequences of your actions ________________________________________________________________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 >>>>>>>>>> One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get >>>>>>>>>> in some places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > to the motel, and stay long enough that I catch their pattern. One phone > call is all it takes. > Local state and county LEO knows me well by sight and by voice. Once > they got a search warrant because my record of good calls was enough to > convince the judge that there was probable cause. When a person has an established history of reliability it makes it much easier to get the warrant,. > Hell, I had one guy who I asked to leave (pot only). He refused. I told > him I'd call the cops...He said "f.ck you, go ahead". So I did..... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > He could have walked away. Why do you think they call it "dope"? > When a person has an established history of reliability it makes it much > easier to get the warrant,. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Why do you think they call it "dope"? Saw this on one of the cops shows; The guy is drunk in public, complaints got called in. Cops find the guy, he became combative, so they cuffed him and searched him. In his sock was a big ole bag of weed rolled up in his parole papers. He was paroled that day. He says "That aint mine." The cop says "Really? I found it in _your_ sock, rolled up in _your_ parole papers. I'm pretty sure that makes it _yours_." >>When a person has an established history of reliability it makes it much >>easier to get the warrant,. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > The cop says "Really? I found it in _your_ sock, rolled up in _your_ parole > papers. I'm pretty sure that makes it _yours_." Job security. >>> One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in some >>> places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign for it [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > those chemicals and watching for those who try to steal the contents of > the tanks Joe, you are correct. Not only does the end product (meth) destroy the people who use it, the manufacture process with the clandestine labs leaves an environmental nightmare to clean up. The people manufacturing this stuff don't care how they leave a motel room, or apartment. Couple that with the products you describe which are HIGHLY toxic. One school I attended on that topic had a standard 8 ft table set up with the ingredients used in the manufacture. It would cost between $20,000-$30,000 to clean up just what was manufactured from that one table. >>>One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in some >>>places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign for it with [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >those chemicals and watching for those who try to steal the contents of >the tanks About three years ago, somebody stole 2 tons of ammonium nitrate fertilized from a commercial farm outside of Austin. THAT got the BATF's attention. No solution, but no explosions, either. The suspicion is that it got sold on the fertilizer black market to other farmers. Signaturedillon Could have been is in the past Could be is in the future There is only the now >>One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in some >>places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign for it with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > October before the law went into affect. If I don't use it all this year, I > may turn it into - what's that stuff - meth? Yep...meth is the stuff. Really no need to stock up on it. The law (at least in Virginia) doesn't keep people from buying it. Just those that buy enough quantities to use it to make meth. > Geez - you reckon we got enough stoopid laws? I really don't consider that a stupid law. We have seen the effectiveness around here and it really doesn't keep someone who needs the medication from getting it. >>>One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in some >>>places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign for it [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > around here and it really doesn't keep someone who needs the medication > from getting it. I agree meth is huge problem...BUT, why ask for ID and signature if someone is buying ONLY ONE box of tablets? Now if some toothless mullet head came in and wanted 100 boxes, then I see the need for the law. Bit by bit, the innocent are losing our rights. >>>>One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in some >>>>places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign for it [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > in and wanted 100 boxes, then I see the need for the law. Bit by bit, the > innocent are losing our rights. Deterrent effect. Discourages the toothless mullethead from pharmacy shopping. While its not impossible, it makes it much harder to get the larger quantities. Since I *MIGHT* use 1 box of Sudafed a year, I really don't care. >>>>One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in some >>>>places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign for it [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > in and wanted 100 boxes, then I see the need for the law. Bit by bit, the > innocent are losing our rights. I guess they think someone would go to 100 different places and buy 1 box at each place - go figure >>>>> I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Sudafed can be used in the manufacture of methamphetamine and in > Virginia, the sale has restrictions on it. same in Illinois > One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in some > places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign for it with > the pharmacist. No prescription was needed but she did have to do the > paperwork. California's been doing that for years with larger quantities. We're meth pioneers out here, ya know. I used to have to sign for the big box at the Costco pharmacy back when I gobbled the stuff like candy. Nowadays my daily dose of Claritin and a few enzyme placebo pills is all I need to descend clearly, so I just keep a little box of Sudafed around for when I get a cold. But I've heard that Sudafed will be confiscated if you bring it into Japan, where it's illegal, and rumor had it that Mexico was going to follow suit. Obviously no one in their right mind goes to Japan to dive, though I'd probably take a sidetrip to Okinawa if I ever visit the country, but Mexico is more worrisome. Banning Sudafed in Cozumel will have a worse impact on diving than hurricanes and eight cruiseships. I couldn't find anything online to back this up, though, so perhaps it's just a rumor and no more. >>One thing to keep in mind, you Sudafed is a bit harder to get in some >>places. My wife just bought some and had to show ID, and sign for it with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > clearly, so I just keep a little box of Sudafed around for when I get a > cold. A guy I dive with occasionally is an RN at the local VA hospital. He uses Afrin before he dives. He did some sort of medically related job in the Navy and told me all the Navy divers he worked with used it. > But I've heard that Sudafed will be confiscated if you bring it into Japan, > where it's illegal, and rumor had it that Mexico was going to follow suit. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > diving than hurricanes and eight cruiseships. I couldn't find anything > online to back this up, though, so perhaps it's just a rumor and no more. Havn't given any thought to other countries. When I was in Coz, I wasn't aware of any other divers popping Sudafeds. While I have seen other divers using decongestants on other dives, I really can't say its widespread. Its not like its something you do in secret. In fact, on a couple of dives I have made, I was borderline on whether I could make it or not and told my dive buddy ahead of time I was taking Sudafed and would see if that would clear me up enough to dive. SignatureI have never met a liberal street cop. > A guy I dive with occasionally is an RN at the local VA hospital. He uses > Afrin before he dives. He did some sort of medically related job in the > Navy and told me all the Navy divers he worked with used it. Afrin's what my ENT advised as well, in conjunction with Sudafed. I use it as a last resort, though. Once you start on it, you're stuck using it every day for the rest of the trip due to the rebound effect. > Havn't given any thought to other countries. When I was in Coz, I wasn't > aware of any other divers popping Sudafeds. While I have seen other [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > or not and told my dive buddy ahead of time I was taking Sudafed and would > see if that would clear me up enough to dive. I've doled out plenty of Sudafed from my own stash and know of many divers who take it every time they dive. Afrin, however, I snort in private. The bitter fluid goes straight up my nostril and down into my throat, making me cough and gag. Then I have to spend five minutes with a box of Kleenex. I do find that it gives me a little rush, perfect for those hungover dive mornings when the weak boat coffee hasn't yet kicked in. >I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders please? Many divers use Sudafed. My wife a decongestant prescribed by our diving ENT specialist. I forget the name of it. Lee > I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders > please? Yep, Sudafed it is. Thanks for all the responses. I'm recovering from 4 days of nasty flu and have zero chance of being 100% by 1st dives on Wednesday. I use Sinex too if necessary but I'll try the Sudafed this time for sure. >> I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders >> please? > >Yep, Sudafed it is. Thanks for all the responses. I'm recovering from 4 days >of nasty flu and have zero chance of being 100% by 1st dives on Wednesday. I >use Sinex too if necessary but I'll try the Sudafed this time for sure. If you're not ready today, I can almost guarantee you won't be ready on Wednesday, drugs or not. Signaturedillon Could have been is in the past Could be is in the future There is only the now > If you're not ready today, I can almost guarantee you won't be ready > on Wednesday, drugs or not. Ready is an entirely subjective concept. I've gotten nasty colds on several "once-in-a-lifetime" trips. At some point you have to decide what's worth it more, your ears or your memories. I believe hearing is overrated. What do you hear underwater anyway? > > If you're not ready today, I can almost guarantee you won't be ready > > on Wednesday, drugs or not. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it more, your ears or your memories. I believe hearing is overrated. What > do you hear underwater anyway? Or when posting on rec.scuba. Dennis >> If you're not ready today, I can almost guarantee you won't be ready >> on Wednesday, drugs or not. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >it more, your ears or your memories. I believe hearing is overrated. What >do you hear underwater anyway? What'd you say? Can't make it out. Carol blew out an eardrum in Cozumel in November 2004. After she licks this cancer sh.t she'll go back to see her ENT. Can't dive with the PAC installed. Signaturedillon Could have been is in the past Could be is in the future There is only the now >I forget which decongestant is frequently used by divers. Reminders please? I've liked Sudafed 12 hour. But don't get the new PE crap. It's not nearly as effective. Carol's sinuses have cleared up entirely. I really can't recommend the drugs to anyone, though. Signaturedillon Could have been is in the past Could be is in the future There is only the now
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