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death rays underwater - a new scuba hazard?

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sweir toronto canada - 11 Jan 2006 02:29 GMT
Spotted this article by Barry Fox on NewScientist.Com:
Spy-diver killer

If you are scuba diving, be sure not to swim anywhere near any ship or
installation that has been protected by the Raytheon Corporation's new
"swimmer denial" system. Otherwise you will very quickly feel extremely
sick and probably drown.

Raytheon's underwater sensors detect any unwelcome presence and
trigger an underwater sound system that emits extremely powerful pulses
of low frequency audio. The pulse rate and audio frequency are chosen
to make human organs resonate like organ pipes, causing swimmers to
vomit into their masks or suffer internal ruptures.

The idea of blasting very powerful sound at underwater targets is not
new. It can even be used to detonate incoming torpedoes. But it can
also cause havoc with marine life.

Raytheon's new system is "greener" because the main sound projector, in
the middle of the secure zone, emits sounds with power and frequency
that are relatively safe. A dozen or so secondary projectors in a ring
round the zone also emit safe pulses. But in the region near each
secondary projector the main and secondaries combine to produce a sound
which is decidedly dangerous.

Would-be spies or terrorists cannot get through the ring but there is
no widespread danger to fish, dolphins or whales.
George Price - 11 Jan 2006 04:51 GMT
Thanks,
Next time I'm diving at a Navy installation, I'll keep it in mind.
George
> Spotted this article by Barry Fox on NewScientist.Com:
> Spy-diver killer
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> Would-be spies or terrorists cannot get through the ring but there is
> no widespread danger to fish, dolphins or whales.
Dillon Pyron - 11 Jan 2006 17:17 GMT
>Spotted this article by Barry Fox on NewScientist.Com:
>Spy-diver killer
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>"swimmer denial" system. Otherwise you will very quickly feel extremely
>sick and probably drown.

I thought booby traps were illegal.  Sounds like a good liability
case.

>Raytheon's underwater sensors detect any unwelcome presence and
>trigger an underwater sound system that emits extremely powerful pulses
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>Would-be spies or terrorists cannot get through the ring but there is
>no widespread danger to fish, dolphins or whales.

Anything that affects one mammal will affect them all..

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Lee Bell - 11 Jan 2006 21:01 GMT
> I thought booby traps were illegal.  Sounds like a good liability
> case.

They're only illegal for private citizens.  The government uses them all the
time.

Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 11 Jan 2006 21:05 GMT
> I thought booby traps were illegal.

   Don't let Victoria's Secret hear you say that.......
Dillon Pyron - 13 Jan 2006 02:27 GMT
>> I thought booby traps were illegal.
>
>    Don't let Victoria's Secret hear you say that.......

When I wrote it, I was expecting exactly that response from someone
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cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 13 Jan 2006 03:03 GMT
>>    Don't let Victoria's Secret hear you say that.......
>
> When I wrote it, I was expecting exactly that response from someone

   and some dumb ape stepped right in.......   ;-)

Curtis
Matthias Voss - 13 Jan 2006 13:19 GMT
>>>I thought booby traps were illegal.
>>
>>   Don't let Victoria's Secret hear you say that.......
>
> When I wrote it, I was expecting exactly that response from someone

Because you suppose it common knowldge that they "trap" else
than boobies ;-)?

Matthias
Mike from Ottawa - 11 Jan 2006 22:31 GMT
>Spotted this article by Barry Fox on NewScientist.Com:
>Spy-diver killer
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>to make human organs resonate like organ pipes, causing swimmers to
>vomit into their masks or suffer internal ruptures.

They play rap?
---
Mike from Ottawa
Matthias Voss - 13 Jan 2006 14:33 GMT
> Spotted this article by Barry Fox on NewScientist.Com:
> Spy-diver killer
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> secondary projector the main and secondaries combine to produce a sound
> which is decidedly dangerous.

This depends ... Since here is described a method to extend
the range of the defensive unit, one should expect, by using
simple logic, that the area of dangerous focus now is like a
 torus, where the older ones where more like a half globe,
or a cylinder.

Obviously the system here uses a method which is called
"difference sound".

A frequency f1 when combined with frequency f2, where f2 is
equal to f1-c. will produce a difference frequency of c in
pattern governed by the interference of the 2 frequencies.

C here will be between 6 and 10 cycles , because this is the
 resonant frequency of intestines, like liver, kidneys,
breathing ( means you cannot breathe by your own, but are
unvoluntarily breathed by vibration), spleen.

All it take to counter, diverwise, may be a drysuit, though.

Matthias
janusz_w@hotmail.com - 13 Jan 2006 18:19 GMT
> > Spotted this article by Barry Fox on NewScientist.Com:
> > Spy-diver killer
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> All it take to counter, diverwise, may be a drysuit, though.

Have a nice reading
http://www.freshpatents.com/Method-and-system-for-swimmer-denial-dt20051020ptan2
0050232084.php?type=description


> Matthias
Dillon Pyron - 14 Jan 2006 00:52 GMT
>> > Spotted this article by Barry Fox on NewScientist.Com:
>> > Spy-diver killer
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
>> Matthias

Of course, now that it's patented and described to the whole world a)
any enemy government or private group can build one b) someone has the
information necessary to build a countermeasure.
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