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Mick - 10 Dec 2005 18:28 GMT
Hi folks,

Newsgroup newbie here. My wife and I will be going to Puerto Vallarta
soon, so I want to buy some new snorkeling gear for both of us. I'm
looking for a good online website place to shop for gear, and I would
also like to get some advice from this group on the types of gear that
I should be looking for.

Vests:
I've never owned a snorkel vest, but I have used them before. I'd like
to get a couple nice ones, maybe even with CO2 inflation systems. Also,
do they make any with pockets for small stuff like keys, small cameras,
etc.? If so, where might I find such a vest?

Masks:
Both of us currently have black rubber, single-lens purge masks. I
think they're probably better suited to scuba diving, but I really like
the purge valve. Unfortunately, they're several years old and it's time
to modernize. In the little bit of looking around I've done I've seen
very few single lens masks. Are the double and/or triple lens masks
better? Are there any especially good masks that I should consider
buying?

Fins:
I must be getting old, because I had never heard of propellor or hinged
fins before yesterday. What's a good fin for snorkeling, and again,
where to shop?

Snorkels:
Regular, semi-dry, or full-dry? Anyone especially like a certain type?

Any gear advice will be much appreciated. Also, if you know any
'don't-miss' spots to snorkel while we're in Puerto Vallarta, please
let me know.

Thanks!
Lee Bell - 11 Dec 2005 13:07 GMT
> Vests:
> I've never owned a snorkel vest, but I have used them before. I'd like
> to get a couple nice ones, maybe even with CO2 inflation systems. Also,
> do they make any with pockets for small stuff like keys, small cameras,
> etc.? If so, where might I find such a vest?

Personally, I would not buy a snorkeling vest.  It's not something I would
ever use except when forced, as sometimes happens on tourist snorkeling
boats.  I'd use whatever the boat required and provided.

If you want something to keep equipment in while snorkeling, look around for
the wide variety of pockets and pouches that are available for threading
onto weight belts or, perhaps as good or better in your case, a nylon fanny
pack with a plastic zipper.

> Masks:
> Both of us currently have black rubber, single-lens purge masks. I
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> better? Are there any especially good masks that I should consider
> buying?

With masks, fit is everything.  Most divers and probably most active
snorkelers purchase masks without purge valves.  The choise is yours, but
once you learn to clear your mask without a purge, the value of a purge
valve diminishes, leaveing only their tendency to collect bits of sand and
shell that keep them from sealing properly and/or their tendency to wear out
before the rest of the mask.

Don't buy a mask on line unless you know, from first hand experience, that
it will fit.  Find the fit first, then worry about the brand.  The mask
should be made of silicon and have a tempered glass lens or lenses.  Plastic
is cheaper, but less durable and more prone to fogging up.

> Fins:
> I must be getting old, because I had never heard of propellor or hinged
> fins before yesterday. What's a good fin for snorkeling, and again,
> where to shop?

Chosing a fin is a very personal decision.  I like Mares Plana Avante or TRE
full foot fins for snorkeling.  You may like someting else.  I do not
recommend the larger power or freediving fins.  While they're very efficient
under the water, they're not as good on the surface and can be a pain in the
rear in your luggage as well as on the deck of a boat.

> Snorkels:
> Regular, semi-dry, or full-dry? Anyone especially like a certain type?

Cheap, large bore, with a flex hose on the bottom and no purge valve.

Lee
Mick - 11 Dec 2005 16:30 GMT
Hi Lee,

Last night we decided to go ahead and get scuba certified while we're
in Puerto Vallarta, so I reserved two certification courses at Chico's
Dive Shop. They have NAUI and PADI certification courses, and I'm not
sure which one we want. Any advice?

Thanks for the informative reply. Your advice about getting a mask that
fits makes sense, so I think we'll find a dive shop or sporting goods
store around here to buy that stuff.

They say the water temperature around Puerto Vallarta averages 68º to
75º in January. Do you think we should consider buying wetsuits?

Mick
Greg Mossman - 11 Dec 2005 17:11 GMT
Hi Lee,

>Last night we decided to go ahead and get scuba certified while we're
>in Puerto Vallarta, so I reserved two certification courses at Chico's
>Dive Shop. They have NAUI and PADI certification courses, and I'm not
>sure which one we want. Any advice?

Neither, but it sounds like you may not have time for the preferred
alternative if you're going in January.  The preferred alternative being
taking your course at home and doing your certification dives with Chico's.
That frees up your vacation time for something more fun than learning how
many ways you can die underwater, builds a relationship with a local dive
shop, allows you to take a more comprehensive course or at least one that
allows more practice time to gain the experience that you can't get in a
two-day resort special.

Actually, you do still have time.  Find a local shop that can certify you
over several weekends and/or nights before you leave town and that can
arrange for your certification dives with Chico's.  Often this route can
even save you money, since resorts usually charge resort prices for their
dive instruction.

>They say the water temperature around Puerto Vallarta averages 68º to
>75º in January. Do you think we should consider buying wetsuits?

You might be OK for snorkeling since the sun is on your back, though some
would wear a "shorty"-type suit as a minimum.  68 is pretty chilly for
extended periods of time.  For diving, it's practically essential since your
body is totally submerged and temperatures often get cooler with depth.
Chico's should be able to rent you a wetsuit for your scuba activities
unless you're really odd-shaped.
Mick - 11 Dec 2005 23:13 GMT
> Neither, but it sounds like you may not have time for the preferred
> alternative if you're going in January.  The preferred alternative being
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> allows more practice time to gain the experience that you can't get in a
> two-day resort special.

That's a good idea, but unfortunately there isn't a dive shop that
could even remotely be considered 'local' to us. We live out in the
boonies, just off the Columbia River between Portland and Astoria
Oregon. There may be a way we can work it out though. I'll check into
it.

> Chico's should be able to rent you a wetsuit for your scuba activities
> unless you're really odd-shaped.

Is 'big fat pear' an odd shape? :)  Chico's says they provide all of
the gear, including wetsuits. Maybe I'll just take my chances with what
they have. Several years ago we lived in southern California and used
to surf almost every day. I had several O'neil fullsuits, and could
take one off the rack and have it fit perfectly. Now I sit behind a
computer all day, and I'd probably have to have a suit custom made to
fit around my big fat gut. I really do need to get more exercise.
Greg Mossman - 11 Dec 2005 23:51 GMT
> That's a good idea, but unfortunately there isn't a dive shop that
> could even remotely be considered 'local' to us. We live out in the
> boonies, just off the Columbia River between Portland and Astoria
> Oregon. There may be a way we can work it out though. I'll check into
> it.

Supposedly there's a Gateway Scuba Center in Longview, but their website is
down and I know nothing about them.  There's also some Oregon-based dive
club that's posted stuff here before so it can't hurt to Google for more
info.  Believe it or not, there are divers in the frigid Pacific Northwest,
some of whom are even crazy enough to dive in the frigid local waters.  Some
people are even crazy enough to dive in rivers.  Maybe you can dive the
Columbia.
Mick - 12 Dec 2005 01:21 GMT
> Supposedly there's a Gateway Scuba Center in Longview, but their website is
> down and I know nothing about them.  There's also some Oregon-based dive
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> people are even crazy enough to dive in rivers.  Maybe you can dive the
> Columbia.

We fish for salmon and steelhead in the Columbia all the time from our
boat. I've swam between anchored boats with fins and snorkel a few
times. During the summer the water can get up into the low 70's, but
the current is unbelievable and there's no visibility. The water is
very cold for the rest of the year. I had to dive under my boat once
during the spring to pull weeds out of the jet pump intake. Talk about
teeth chattering cold!

There are often large trees (deadheads) floating down the river, huge
ships, hundreds of crazy fishermen and other boaters blasting around,
etc.. Thanks anyway, but you would have to be nuts to want to dive in
the Columbia River. :)
Scott - 12 Dec 2005 01:34 GMT
> We fish for salmon and steelhead in the Columbia all the time from our
> boat. I've swam between anchored boats with fins and snorkel a few
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> etc.. Thanks anyway, but you would have to be nuts to want to dive in
> the Columbia River. :)

Come on up to Hood Canal, this time of year the vis is best, and fewer
people in the water.

http://www.hoodsportndive.com/
Grumman-581 - 12 Dec 2005 03:01 GMT
> Come on up to Hood Canal, this time of year the vis is best, and fewer
> people in the water.

Hmmm... Why might that be?

BECAUSE IT'S FUCKIN' COLD !!!
Morten Reistad - 12 Dec 2005 02:00 GMT
>Hi Lee,

[snip]

>>They say the water temperature around Puerto Vallarta averages 68º to
>>75º in January. Do you think we should consider buying wetsuits?
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>Chico's should be able to rent you a wetsuit for your scuba activities
>unless you're really odd-shaped.

Ugh, that is 20-23 degrees righopondian; that is not shorty
territory, that is full wetsuit with hood and gloves, preferrably
a semidry, real farmer john.

And I am the one living in the arctic!

-- mrr
  Today was the first argon dive of the season.
Greg Mossman - 12 Dec 2005 16:42 GMT
>>You might be OK for snorkeling since the sun is on your back, though some
>>would wear a "shorty"-type suit as a minimum.  68 is pretty chilly for
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>
> And I am the one living in the arctic!

We Americans are obviously bred tougher.  Snorkeling is very popular in the
summer off Catalina Island for instance, where the surface temperatures
reach a maximum of 70 degrees, usually hovering in the high 60s.  The
gear-rental concessions provide nothing more than shorties for comfort.  My
aunts did it - one was 56 and the other 60 and neither has much insulation.
I can't believe a couple of old ladies put all you Norwegians to shame.
Lee Bell - 13 Dec 2005 13:04 GMT
>>>You might be OK for snorkeling since the sun is on your back, though some
>>>would wear a "shorty"-type suit as a minimum.  68 is pretty chilly for
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> much insulation. I can't believe a couple of old ladies put all you
> Norwegians to shame.

Californians are known for there errant behavior.

Lee
A H FOSTER - 14 Dec 2005 01:49 GMT
"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

Californians are known for there errant behavior.

> Lee

I thought the word was aberrant?

Capt. Bill
Greg Mossman - 14 Dec 2005 04:46 GMT
> "Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
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>
> I thought the word was aberrant?

I did too.  Errant happens to also be a word.

er·rant    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (rnt)
adj.
1.  Roving, especially in search of adventure: knights errant.
Lee Bell - 14 Dec 2005 14:15 GMT
>> Californians are known for there errant behavior.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>
>> I thought the word was aberrant?

Also a good term.

> I did too.  Errant happens to also be a word.
>
> er·rant    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (rnt)
> adj.
> 1.  Roving, especially in search of adventure: knights errant.

Nice try Greg, but it only works on those who don't have a dictionary of
their own.

Errant: 2. Deviating from the regular or proper course.  3. Moving in an
aimless and highly changing manner.

Lee
Rod - 11 Dec 2005 21:02 GMT
>Hi Lee,
>
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>
>Mick

Find a local dive shop and take your class room and pool stuff at home
before you go. Then when you get there you just have to take your open
water cert dives, no class romm crap while on vacation.
Mick - 11 Dec 2005 23:14 GMT
Thanks for the advice folks! Much appreciated.
Lee Bell - 12 Dec 2005 02:56 GMT
Hi Lee,

>Last night we decided to go ahead and get scuba certified while we're
>in Puerto Vallarta, so I reserved two certification courses at Chico's
>Dive Shop. They have NAUI and PADI certification courses, and I'm not
>sure which one we want. Any advice?

Some, but it may be of limited use.  If you can, it's not a bad idea to take
the academic and pool session parts of your course at home and do what is
called a referral in the location of your choice.  The theory is that you'd
rather not spend more of your vacation in a classroom session than necessary
when the time could be better spent diving, or whatever other things you
like to do.

As far as chosing which certification to get, it's really up to you.  NAUI
was in the dive certification business before PADI.  PADI is the largest
certification agency in the world today.  Standards for both are comparable
and both certifications will be accepted anywhere in the world.  The common
answer to your question is that the instructor ismore important than the
agency he or she represents.  Personally, I don't much care for PADI's
corporate culture.  They are way too marketing oriented for my taste.  NAUI,
in my opinion, is not quite as focused on selling you the next course, but
they're not giving anything away either.  In your case, what is best is
probably whatever is offered by a shop you like that is closer to your home.

>hanks for the informative reply. Your advice about getting a mask that
>its makes sense, so I think we'll find a dive shop or sporting goods
>tore around here to buy that stuff.

Nothing will ruin a good dive as quickly as a mask that leaks.  I would try
a dive shop over a sporting goods store primarily because there should be
someone in the dive shop that can help you find a mask that fits right.
Here's the trick.  Lightly press the mask against your face and, without
putting the strap on your head, breath in very gently through your nose.  A
mask that fits properly will stay in place with very little pressure.  If
you have to suck in hard to keep it in place. find another mask.  If you're
going to buy a snorkel anyway, or already have one, take it with you.  Try
the same test with the snorkel in your mouth.  This is a particularly good
idea with one of the wide verticial visibility masks.  They have very narrow
skirts at the bottom and have to fit particularly well.  It doesn't take a
lot of change in the shape of your face for them to leak.  A moutpiece will
change the shape of your face slightly.

>They say the water temperature around Puerto Vallarta averages 68º to
>75º in January. Do you think we should consider buying wetsuits?

I would.  I'm a warm water diver.  For me, low 80s to high 70s is cool, but
still OK for a couple of dives.  Anything much below that and I get our my
wetsuit.  A 3mm wetsuit is enough for me until water temperatures drop below
the high 60s.  It's not enough for my wife.  She gets chills after 20
minutes in 68 degree water.  If you tend to get cold easily, you might look
into one of the suits that has am arms and legs but something thicker
covering the body.  The thicker the wetsuit, the better the insulation, but
also the greater the buoyancy of the suit, the greater the change in
buoyancy as depth increases and the more likely it is to constrain movement.
That's not to say it will be a significant particular problem, but it does
make a difference in your diving.

Wetsuits can be expensive, but they don't always have to be.  In addition to
checking dive shops, check places that sell surfing and swimming equipment.
At least in the lower price ranges, wetsuits of the same thickness are more
or less equal in thermal protection.  Fit is important.  Wetsuits work by
trapping water that the body warms to a comfortable level.  If water is
continuously exchanged, as it will be when a suit is too loose, the suit
can't do its job properly.  If the suit is too tight, it will bind and can,
in extreme cases, make it difficult to breathe.  That's not the kind of
thing you want to have happen on your first dive trip.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 11 Dec 2005 17:39 GMT
> Cheap, large bore, with a flex hose on the bottom and no purge valve.

Bought a snorkel for Kaitlyn down in Coz recently... It looked like a
silicone one, but in fact was plastic... It gave a taste of plastic, so I
would have to suggest that someone not go with this sort of material...
Silicone or even the old black rubber ones are better...
Becky - 11 Feb 2006 19:03 GMT
> Hi folks,

> Snorkels:
> Regular, semi-dry, or full-dry? Anyone especially like a certain type?

Full dry, definitely.  Who needs to waste air & energy blowing water out of
a snorkel?  I have the OceanMaster dry snorkel and it works great. No water,
even when waves crash over your head.  Mine is many years old (at least 7,
no more than 10) and I've had no trouble with it. Check it out at
http://www.oceanmaster.com/Snorkels.htm

In fact, the only time I've _ever_ had water in it was that time in the
Bahamas when I ever-so-slowly tipped my head down to look at my tummy,
trying not to scare the remora attached there.  The slow-motion defeated the
valve closing out water.

My husband hated to snorkel until I got him a dry snorkel like mine.  It was
too much work. He still doesn't like it, but he agrees to go now & then.

Becky, Austin, TX, USA
Lee Bell - 12 Feb 2006 04:14 GMT
>> Hi folks,

>> Snorkels:
>> Regular, semi-dry, or full-dry? Anyone especially like a certain type?

> Full dry, definitely.  Who needs to waste air & energy blowing water out
> of
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> no more than 10) and I've had no trouble with it. Check it out at
> http://www.oceanmaster.com/Snorkels.htm

Regular, definitely.  If you chose to carry a snorkel while diving,
something many of us no longer do, the last thing you want is something that
creates a lot of drag on your mask, which most dry snorkels do.  No snorkel,
no matter how high tech and expensive, will be dry at the end of a dive.

If the question relates to snorkeling rather than diving, the best answer
for you may be different.  I still use a regular snorkel, but there are
those that prefer features of the dry, or semi dry snorkel enough to pay for
them.

> In fact, the only time I've _ever_ had water in it was that time in the
> Bahamas when I ever-so-slowly tipped my head down to look at my tummy,
> trying not to scare the remora attached there.  The slow-motion defeated
> the
> valve closing out water.

If you were diving, you would have gotten wate r in it every time you dove.

> My husband hated to snorkel until I got him a dry snorkel like mine.  It
> was
> too much work. He still doesn't like it, but he agrees to go now & then.

Lee
 
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